Washington Redskins moaning and groaning this morning

[sago1]

Read some of the Redskin articles about their huge blowout loss to the Pats. Just imagine, we don't have to put up with any of their trolls coming on this or any other Cowboy forum talking about how great they were in their victory over the Pats or even how well they played the Pats even in their defeat. Instead they face the embarrassment of losing 52-7 with their only TD coming 3 mins before end of game.

After 1-2 Redskin fans on ExtremeSkin tried mitigate the loss by saying Pats beat all teams they've played liked that, another Redskin actually comment was wrong. The Cowboys took the lead over the Pats in the 3rd quarter 24-21 & were only team to to give them a real game unlike.

Of course there's the usual whinning that the Pats ran up the score but frankly that doesn't fly for me in this game and not in ours either. Also of course that great HOF character guy (goes by name of Joe Gibbs) has filed a claim listing 42 infractions committed but not penalized by the refs which he says were difference in the game. I wouldn't be surprised if at the top of list Gibbs protested that Brady shouldn't be allowed to play cause he's too good and that unfair since Campbell essentially a rookie.

Anyway, at least for 1-2 days the Redskin fans forced to face reality. They aren't God's gift to the NFL and the greatest team on turf. Giving their unbelieavable homerism which defies any kind of logic, I'm sure they will recover before next game and regain their view that they are the greatest team in the NFL and want to play the Pats in the SB.

Don't get me wrong. I hate the Pats and it's not printable what I think of Belicheat. But I hate the Skins more and since not many of the teams I wanted to win did so, Pats victory is best thing that happened on the football field this weekend except for the Colts win.

[Big Dakota]

Do you happen to have a link to the Gibbs info? I'd love to read that one!

[Future]

I bet if he found 42 on the Pats...there were at least 30 on the Redskins. As bad as officials usually are, they are consistent.

[Big Dakota]

LONG before Eric Mangini there was Job Gibbs.

[Yeagermeister]

Gibbs whines and moans every week even if they win

[PullMyFinger]

The Pats are making it look easy. Brady wasnt even sweating.

Now let me ask the salary cap lovers out there something???



Is THIS parity?

[Sam I Am]

I would just like to say the topics on ExtremeSkins right now are music to my ears!

The End is Near Nothing is wrong with this team. Everything we do is friggin PERFECT. I'm Blaming Greg Williams The Intervention The Restoration Just Isn't Working *** Is Todd Wade Doing Out There? Develop a WR Rotation! Al Saunders Hoodwinked Us! Our Offense is killing our Defense (101 tackles!) Why Skins Cannot Dominate. Sideline communication breakdown? The most classless organization in sports An entire room at work making fun of the Redskins...the "can't escape" thread The official pissin and moaning thread ( MEGA MERGED) Creative ways to describe today's game 3 and out. Fork in the road for the SKINS....

Thats enough for now! :laugh2: :skins: :tongue: :yourock:

[fanfromvirginia]

My only beef is that the Pats most certainly did run up the score. It was a textbook case. All of a sudden it's perfectly okay, apparently, for the Precious Pats to run up the score because, we are told ceaselessly around here, that running up the score is the only way to play the game. When did this get decided? Are we now taking ethical standards in whole from the likes of Bill Bellicek?

Running up the score is classless and the Patriots are doing it on a weekly basis. Period.

[riggo]

no excuses here- that was an ayce beatin. once rogers went down and the pats were pounding the ball on the ground, i had a feeling the game plan was not going to work.

and thats just the D. :(

dont even know where to begin with that O.


i will say this- if i could go back a few weeks, i'd pray for the boys to lay a beatin on the pats. between belichick going for it on 4th with a 38 -0 lead (and this coming from a person who thinks you shouldnt complain- just stop them), and brady around that same time throwing a freakin hissy fit when his center false started, i'm with you when you say you cant stand the pats.

[Maikeru-sama]

no excuses here- that was an ayce beatin. once rogers went down and the pats were pounding the ball on the ground, i had a feeling the game plan was not going to work.

and thats just the D. :(

dont even know where to begin with that O.

You still would have lost. The Patriots were just a better team.

- Mike G.

[Sam I Am]

Quote of the year from ExtremeSkins:

they completely ***-raped us. Move the **** on, 12/16/1979.

[riggo]

You still would have lost. The Patriots were just a better team.

- Mike G.


no question- thats just when i knew it could be bad.

[Danny White]

no excuses here- that was an ayce beatin. once rogers went down and the pats were pounding the ball on the ground, i had a feeling the game plan was not going to work.

and thats just the D. :(

dont even know where to begin with that O.


i will say this- if i could go back a few weeks, i'd pray for the boys to lay a beatin on the pats. between belichick going for it on 4th with a 38 -0 lead (and this coming from a person who thinks you shouldnt complain- just stop them), and brady around that same time throwing a freakin hissy fit when his center false started, i'm with you when you say you cant stand the pats.

Nice post, and way to take your lumps.

But do you really think Carlos Rogers would have made a difference?

[riggo]

Nice post, and way to take your lumps.

But do you really think Carlos Rogers would have made a difference?

no- i should explain.

i thought the skins, being ranked #1 in yards per play and opposing qb ranking, would be able to at least slow down brady and company. when i saw smoot was out, then rogers went down- and remembering what happened to the skins D last year when a couple of DB's got dinged- i knew it was going to be a struggle.

turns out it didnt matter, as the pats pounded the ball in the ground about as well as they threw it.

[JerryFan]

Can't say I didn't see this coming, but anyone who says they didn't run up the score is just taking joy in the Redstinks getting pounded. Serious 4th and 1 up 38-0 and you go for it. LOL, people can spin that any freaking way they want but that's rubbing it in someones face for no reason. Their offense hadn't really done anything all day so it wasn't like they were coming back.

[Heisenberg]

Well, we like to think if Anthony Henry is healthy, we might have slowed them down a little. It's probably the same for Skins fans. There is no worse team in the NFL right now to lose a corner against.

[kingwhicker]

Check out this quote from a legend by the name of elkabong82. I think he spent too much time on the bong:

"Unlike every other team they faced, the Pats didn't make us look like a high school football team (I know it's hard to believe from the final score) as they weren't going with a simplistic gameplan of hurl the ball deep. The Pats killed us underneath, and had to earn every yard."

[Maikeru-sama]

Well, we like to think if Anthony Henry is healthy, we might have slowed them down a little. It's probably the same for Skins fans. There is no worse team in the NFL right now to lose a corner against.

The Patriots were without key players entering the game and lost a couple of good ones during the game.

We lost, let's focus on the Eagles.

- Mike G.

[kmd24]

dont even know where to begin with that O.


Neither did Belichick.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1734136

[adbutcher]

Let me preface my comments by saying that it could not have happened to a better franchise, well maybe Philly.

However running up the score will come back and bite the patricheats. It is a cheap shot, and no player likes a cheap shot. Do you remember when Jim McMahon was a victim of a cheap shot; this was largely the product on the Bears embarrassing teams even when the game was in hand. If the patricheats continue on this course look for some one to intentionally try to hurt Brady. This might land the perpetrator an 8 game suspension but defensively the entire league will quietly cheer, especially the teams who were on the receiving end.

Besides the not so obvious, leaving in your perennial pro bowl QB in games that late is foolish and arrogant and Belicheat better tread carefully.

[03EBZ06]

What goes around will come around. People in NFL have a long memory and they won't forget what Belicheat is doing now and there will be paybacks.

[Future]

"Unlike every other team they faced, the Pats didn't make us look like a high school football team (I know it's hard to believe from the final score) as they weren't going with a simplistic gameplan of hurl the ball deep. The Pats killed us underneath, and had to earn every yard."

Yea, all 800 of them :laugh2:

[Skin]

Let me preface my comments by saying that it could not have happened to a better franchise, well maybe Philly.

However running up the score will come back and bite the patricheats. It is a cheap shot, and no player likes a cheap shot. Do you remember when Jim McMahon was a victim of a cheap shot; this was largely the product on the Bears embarrassing teams even when the game was in hand. If the patricheats continue on this course look for some one to intentionally try to hurt Brady. This might land the perpetrator an 8 game suspension but defensively the entire league will quietly cheer, especially the teams who were on the receiving end.

Besides the not so obvious, leaving in your perennial pro bowl QB in games that late is foolish and arrogant and Belicheat better tread carefully.


The difference between the cheapshot perpetrated on McMahon and something that may or may not happen to Brady is that the league and players are so different these days.

Back in the "old days" running up the score on teams would have been handled by players on the field. Old school types would have wiped someone out. I think it's fair to say that a Jack Lambert or Steve McMichael would have put the smack down on a Patriot. Many of today's players are businessmen with the motto, "live to fight another day."

[burmafrd]

There are still enough thugs out there to do it. And it WILL happen if they keep it up. When you get as blatant about something as they are now, it will bite, sooner or later.

[jwhardin]

Still, I wonder when the refs are going to start calling Moss for of pass interference

[hendog]

There are still enough thugs out there to do it. And it WILL happen if they keep it up. When you get as blatant about something as they are now, it will bite, sooner or later.

Not to mention the fact that it could always happen accidentally. I would hate to lose Tony while he's loading up to throw a bomb to TO up 38 in the 4th .

[adbutcher]

There are still enough thugs out there to do it. And it WILL happen if they keep it up. When you get as blatant about something as they are now, it will bite, sooner or later.

To me it has little to nothing to do with thuggery. Football has a heritage of respect and what they are doing is very disrespectful, imo. Also don’t misinterpret what I am saying as wishing injury on Tom but if Belicheat continue to put him in harms way, the likelihood of injury increases especially when a defensive player(s) is feeling like you are disrespecting him. Did anyone see the hit put on Manning yesterday?

[SkinsandTerps]

There is NO excuse for the piss poor performance the Redskins displayed yesterday.

They deserved to take the type of beating they did.

I am utterly embarrassed.

Defense = F
Offense = F
ST = F
Coaching = F

Obscene.

[Skin]

To me it has little to nothing to do with thuggery. Football has a heritage of respect and what they are doing is very disrespectful, imo. Also don’t misinterpret what I am saying as wishing injury on Tom but if Belicheat continue to put him in harms way, the likelihood of injury increases especially when a defensive player(s) is feeling like you are disrespecting him. Did anyone see the hit put on Manning yesterday?

I agree, sooner or later, someone is going to handle it. If Brady gets hurt in a blow out, the genius label is going to depart BB in a hurry.

[03EBZ06]

no excuses here- that was an ayce beatin. once rogers went down and the pats were pounding the ball on the ground, i had a feeling the game plan was not going to work.

and thats just the D. :(

dont even know where to begin with that O.


i will say this- if i could go back a few weeks, i'd pray for the boys to lay a beatin on the pats. between belichick going for it on 4th with a 38 -0 lead (and this coming from a person who thinks you shouldnt complain- just stop them), and brady around that same time throwing a freakin hissy fit when his center false started, i'm with you when you say you cant stand the pats.

Funny redskins comments...sounds lot like you, is this you (Riggo #44)?


and for the last time, the skins have a better Def then Dallas, but not by the leaps and bounds you all would like to believe that it is...sorry, but the truth is in the facts, that you guys choose to ignore.



Yes it is by leaps and bounds until Dallas at least plays well against a decent offense -- which they haven't.

Washington has SHOWN, they can stop potent offenses. They stopped GB. They stopped Det. And the defense played well against NYG -- much better then Dallas' did.

Until Dallas actually does something defensively on the field, this argument is complete fabrication and wishful thinking on your part.

They have NOT, I am going to repeat, HAVE NOT stopped an offense above 15th in the league and even they put up 334 yards on them. Again, until they do that, they are no nearly as good as the Redskins defense.

You are wrong. Period.
So how many good offenses have the Cowboys stopped? How many times ahve they given up 400 yards, plus?

The Redskins defense has stopped GB (225 total yards) Detroit (144 total yards) and held Miami (273 total yards) and played the Giants much better then the Cowboys (315 total yards).

So who can you point to and actually say the Cowboys stopped a good offense?

So bring something other then just "well the Cowboys are almost as good" Why? Why are they almost as good?


like i said, better but not the world of difference that you and others think. Dallas has the 7th ranked Def overall and the 16th vs the pass. This after a shootout week 1 and a complete mauling from the Pats. The Dallas D will move up in this ranking all year, and soon they will have both corners healthy and together, so i know that they will improve. The Skins on the otherhand will not, because their offense will not allow that Def to rest..... So lets revisit this Monday and then after each week and we will see in the end that there is not that much difference between the two....but as i have said, the skins are "better"....just in case someone hasnt noticed the other 50,000 times i said it!



Absurd, utterly absurd. This is quite the Patches O'Houlihan routine you're pulling here. Dallas is nowhere near as good as you give them credit for.

Based on how they have done against similar competition -- if the Redskins played the offenses the Cowboys played -- they would be #1 in the NFL. Without a doubt.

If the Cowboys played the offenses the Redskins played -- they would not be top 10.

That is the real difference.


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[03EBZ06]

There is NO excuse for the piss poor performance the Redskins displayed yesterday.

They deserved to take the type of beating they did.

I am utterly embarrassed.

Defense = F
Offense = F
ST = F
Coaching = F

Obscene.
But your defense was so much better than ours (as proclaimed by majority of skins fans), how did that happened?

[SkinsandTerps]

I agree, sooner or later, someone is going to handle it. If Brady gets hurt in a blow out, the genius label is going to depart BB in a hurry.

I disagree.

Not about the losing Brady part, but about the genius label being called in question.

Sure Brady is a huge part of his success, however until this season he has had a stock of WR's that most people won't remember in 10 years. Hell besides Moss most people wont remember Welker or Stallworth either.

He has worked around losing several coaches, star players, an average RB, bringing in another average RB, drafting a solid RB, TE's out the ying-yang, etc.

His philosophy is what makes that team winners, his drive drives them, his passion and no nonsense approach keep them hungry and star players wanting to play for him.

Ego...checked at the door.
Past accomplishments...checked at the door.
Potential... encouraged, embraced, but not to the point where discipline and accountability are sacrificed.

He will still go down as a HOF coach. He took over a team that was a loser and made them into a winner.

[adbutcher]

But your defense was so much better than ours (as proclaimed by majority of skins fans), how did that happened?

Now they know better. :)

Imo, we demonstrated that we could play with Patricheats and if you can play with a team, you can beat them. After seeing the deadskin debacle I have utmost confidence that we will go at least 6 and 3 with our remaining schedule. That should be good enough for Home field throughout the playoffs.

[Skin]

I disagree.

Not about the losing Brady part, but about the genius label being called in question.

Sure Brady is a huge part of his success, however until this season he has had a stock of WR's that most people won't remember in 10 years. Hell besides Moss most people wont remember Welker or Stallworth either.

He has worked around losing several coaches, star players, an average RB, bringing in another average RB, drafting a solid RB, TE's out the ying-yang, etc.

His philosophy is what makes that team winners, his drive drives them, his passion and no nonsense approach keep them hungry and star players wanting to play for him.

Ego...checked at the door.
Past accomplishments...checked at the door.
Potential... encouraged, embraced, but not to the point where discipline and accountability are sacrificed.

He will still go down as a HOF coach. He took over a team that was a loser and made them into a winner.


In the broader sense, you may be correct, but since we live in the here and now, my point still holds. He is a great coach, made better my a superior QB, but If Brady gets hurt in a blow out, BB's past accomplishments won't make a hill of beans this year.

[silverbear]

Check out this quote from a legend by the name of elkabong82. I think he spent too much time on the bong:

"Unlike every other team they faced, the Pats didn't make us look like a high school football team (I know it's hard to believe from the final score) as they weren't going with a simplistic gameplan of hurl the ball deep. The Pats killed us underneath, and had to earn every yard."

All 486 of 'em... :D

[03EBZ06]

Did Joe Gibbs Purposely Lose?

Here's my theory. I've been studying Gibbs since 1980 and have been studying the Redskins since 1971.

Joe Gibbs is a Spades player. Is everyone familiar with that game? He's holding a set of cards. He knows he cannot take all the tricks.

He will never play an Ace if he knows a Seven will win.

If he knows there is no chance of winning, he will throw out his worst card.

Joe Gibbs is not going to expose his strengths and weaknesses if he does not have to.

If the Redskins came at the Patriots with their best stuff, two things would have happened: 1) The Patriots would have still won the game and 2) Joe Gibbs would have shown everyone his best cards.

There are 16 games this season and this was a Inter-Conference game. The Redskins can beat the Jets and the Eagles. The Redskins will be headed to Dallas at 6-3.


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