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BrAinPaiNt
11-14-2007, 08:40 AM
LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071114/ts_nm/usa_blackwater_probe_dc_1;_ylt=Alcfc1OK22MF3OHgQrJ AhzIE1vAI)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - FBI agents investigating the September 16 episode in which Blackwater security guards shot and killed 17 Iraqi civilians have found that at least 14 of the shootings were unjustified, The New York Times reported on Tuesday.

The FBI investigation into the shootings in Baghdad is still under way, but the findings, which indicate that the company's employees violated deadly force rules in effect for security contractors in Iraq, are already under review by the Justice Department, the newspaper said.

It cited unnamed civilian and military officials briefed on the case.

Prosecutors have yet to decide whether to seek indictments, and some officials have expressed pessimism that adequate criminal laws exist to enable them to charge any Blackwater employee with criminal wrongdoing, the Times reported.

North Carolina-based Blackwater protects U.S. diplomats and other State Department officials in Iraq.

Spokesmen for the Justice Department and the FBI declined to discuss the matter, the paper said.

The case could be one of the first thorny issues to be decided by Michael Mukasey, who was sworn in as attorney general last week.

He may be faced with a decision to turn down a prosecution on legal grounds at a time when a furor has erupted in Congress about the administration's failure to hold security contractors accountable for their misdeeds, the Times said.

Investigators have concluded that as many as five of the company's guards opened fire during the shootings.

They found no evidence to support assertions by Blackwater employees that they were fired upon by Iraqi civilians. That finding sharply contradicts initial assertions by Blackwater officials, who said that company employees fired in self-defense.

Government officials said the shooting occurred when security guards fired in response to gunfire by other members of their unit in the mistaken belief that they were under attack. One official told the Times: "I wouldn't call it a massacre, but to say it was unwarranted is an understatement."

Among the 17 killings, three may have been justified under rules that allow lethal force to be used in response to an imminent threat, the FBI agents have concluded, the Times said.

A separate military review of the shootings concluded that all of the killings were unjustified and potentially criminal.

Anne Tyrrell, a Blackwater spokeswoman, told the Times she would have no comment until the FBI released its findings.

burmafrd
11-14-2007, 09:02 AM
Once one person starts firing- everyone will fire. That is the way it is- especially in a place as tense and troubled as Baghdad. I would like to know who they were- were they ex special forces (which I doubt) or just ordinary joes who had no business being there under those circumstances. The better trained people are, the less likely they are to go off half cocked.

jterrell
11-14-2007, 09:56 AM
This spells the end to Blackwater in Iraq which I think is a great thing for us long term. If we want or need military there then it should be our military not hired guns.

I am so sick of outsourcing I could vomit up all of India.

BrAinPaiNt
11-14-2007, 10:08 AM
Once one person starts firing- everyone will fire. That is the way it is- especially in a place as tense and troubled as Baghdad. I would like to know who they were- were they ex special forces (which I doubt) or just ordinary joes who had no business being there under those circumstances. The better trained people are, the less likely they are to go off half cocked.

I will agree. In a tense situation if one person fires the others will think they are under attack.

The problem I have with black water is the idea that the government is hiring these people at an outrageous rate when they could use our OWN active troops.

ConcordCowboy
11-14-2007, 10:23 AM
Was there really any doubt that at least some of these were unjustified?

Except for Burm...I doubt it.

zrinkill
11-14-2007, 10:43 AM
Good .... we do not need merc's.