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Nors
12-20-2007, 08:11 PM
RICKY SANTOS NAMED TO AFCA ALL-AMERICA TEAM AT QB
12/11/2007

WACO, TEX. — Football Championship Subdivision’s (FCS) second leading rusher and the nation’s second leading tackler headline the American Football Coaches Association 2007 Football Championship Subdivision Coaches’ All-America Team announced today.

THE OFFENSE
The runningbacks on the 2007 FCS Coaches’ All-America Team are Chad Simpson of Morgan State, Omar Cuff of Delaware and Mike McLeod of Yale. Simpson finished as the MEAC’s leading rusher and set a single season school record by accounting for 1,402 yards. He led the MEAC in scoring (90 points), and ranked second in all-purpose yards by averaging 161.8 yards per game. Cuff established new school single season records in 2007 with 377 carries, 1,889 yards, 34 rushing touchdowns and 38 total touchdowns. His 34 rushing touchdowns and 38 total touchdowns this season are both NCAA FCS records. McLeod became Yale’s first Ivy MVP since 1987 after running for a school-record 1,619 yards and 23 touchdowns.

The signal caller on this year’s squad is Ricky Santos of New Hampshire. Santos, the 2006 Walter Payton Award winner, passed for 2,972 yards and 24 touchdowns and finished seventh in the nation in total offense with a 292.3 yards per game average.

Lafayette’s Jesse Padilla, Weber State’s David Hale, Northern Iowa’s Chad Rinehart, South Dakota State’s Mitch Erickson and Appalachian State’s Kerry Brown make up the offensive line for 2007. Padilla was a senior member of an offensive line that helped Lafayette average 364.5 yards of offense and 25.5 points per game. Hale helped lead the way for a Weber State offense that averaged 399.6 yards per game, earning him First Team All-Big Sky. Rinehart helped guide the Northern Iowa rush offense to a No. 15 national ranking (227.38 ypg), and a No. 7 national ranking in total offense (457.31 ypg). Erickson anchored a Jackrabbit offensive line that helped produce averages of 34.2 points and 362.5 yards per game. Brown is the only returning AFCA All-America from last year’s squad. Brown earned the Jacobs Blocking Trophy, awarded to the Southern Conference’s top offensive lineman, for the second-straight year. He helped pave the way for an Appalachian offense that ranked second in total offense at 483.5 yards per game.

The receiving corps on this year’s team is Ryan Maher of Holy Cross and Ramses Barden of Cal-Poly. Maher led the Patriot League in both receptions (6.82 catches per game) and receiving yards (82.5 yards per game). Barden set Cal Poly records for most receiving yards (1,467), points (108) and 100-yard receiving games (7) in a season, and was ranked No. 2 in the nation in receiving yards per game (133.36) in 2007.

THE DEFENSE
The defensive line is headlined by Montana’s Kroy Biermann. Biermann, a finalist for the Buck Buchanan Award, was among the national leaders with 18 tackles for loss, 15 sacks, and five forced fumbles, as well as 72 total tackles. McNeese State’s Bryan Smith was named Southland Conference Player of the Year after ranking third in the nation in quarterback sacks (10.5) and finishing as one of the nation’s leaders in tackles for a loss (22.5). Gardner-Webb’s Brian Johnston totaled 74 tackles, 24 tackles for loss and six sacks in 2007, helping lead the ‘Dogs to No. 1 in the Big South Conference in total defense. Kendall Langford of Hampton led the team in total tackles with 72, and also accumulated 13.5 tackles for a loss and six sacks.

Western Illinois’ Jason Williams, Towson’s Brian Bradford and Prairie View A&M’s Zach East make up the linebackers on the Coaches’ All-America Team. Williams led the Gateway Conference in three defensive categories – sacks (eight), tackles for loss (16.5) and forced fumbles (five), and ranked third in tackles (107 total tackles). Bradford led the Colonial Athletic Association in tackles with 149 and finished No. 2 in the nation at 13.55 tackles per game. He was also the CAA co-leader with four forced fumbles. East finished third in the nation in tackles per game with 12.5, and finished the season with 127 total tackles, 14.5 tackles for a loss and three sacks.
Derrick Huff of Eastern Kentucky leads a group of four talented defensive backs on the All-America team. Huff tied for the national lead in interceptions with nine, earning him Ohio Valley Conference Defensive MVP honors. Al Donaldson of Alabama A&M was the other co-leader in interceptions, as he totaled nine in 11 games to go along with his 51 tackles and 11 pass breakups. James Madison’s Tony LeZotte recorded 88 tackles this season, including 48 unassisted, and he has two interceptions and eight pass deflections. Steven Williams of Harvard led the Ivy League and ranked fourth nationally with eight interceptions, tying Harvard’s single season mark. He also led the nation in passes defended with 23.

THE SPECIALISTS
Georgia Southern’s Jayson Foster is this year’s all-purpose player. One of three Payton Award finalists, Foster ranked fifth nationally in all-purpose yards per game at 189.09. He rushed for 1,844 yards, passed for 1,206 yards and totaled 171 yards in returns while also scoring 30 touchdowns. In 2007, punter Chris MacDonald of Texas State led the nation with a 45.92 yards per punt average. Of MacDonald’s 49 punts, 19 were over 50 yards. Placekicker Piotr Czech of Wagner was 16 of 19 on field goal attempts and 27 of 28 on PATs this season. He earned First Team All-Northeast Conference honors at both placekicker and punter and finished second on the team in scoring with 75 points.

tomson75
12-20-2007, 08:16 PM
This man-crush is becoming disturbing.

silverbear
12-21-2007, 12:05 AM
This man-crush is becoming disturbing.

I'd just like to know how Santos makes the first team, when he's 7th in total offense... Josh Johnson from San Diego averaged nearly 80 yards per game more than Santos did... his team also led the FCS in scoring offense...

And here's a statistical comparison of the two for their respective careers:

Games played-- Santos 58, Johnson 41...

Completion percentage-- Santos 68.6, Johnson 68.0... no real difference there...

Yards per game passing-- Santos 227.8, Johnson 236.6... slight edge to Johnson...

Yards per game rushing-- Santos 24.2, Johnson 45.5... big advantage to Johnson...

Yards per game total offense-- Santos 252.0, Johnson 282.0... big advantage, Johnson...

TDs to Ints ratio: Santos 3.7 to 1 (123 TDs, 33 ints), Johnson 7.5 to 1 (113 TDs, 15 ints)... huge advantage for Johnson...

Johnson has thrown 113 TDs in 41 games, Santos has played 17 more games, and has thrown 10 more TD passes... he's also thrown 18 more ints...

Again, how does Ricky make the first team ahead of Josh??

And how come Nors isn't all over Johnson's jock, instead of Santos'??

junk
12-21-2007, 05:11 PM
I wonder if Biermann gets invited to the Combine. I'd like to see how he does in LB drills and how he runs.

No way can he be an NFL defensive end, but he could be a 3-4 LB.

Nors
12-21-2007, 07:47 PM
Santos has pelts on the wall, its that simple

Some other sleapers here.....

silverbear
12-21-2007, 11:04 PM
Santos has pelts on the wall, its that simple

Exactly what has he won?? Johnson's team was 9-2 this year, a better record than Ricky's team had... and Johnson had the better season, straight up... it wasn't really even close...

What I find particularly amusing is that you've told us repeatedly that one of the things that makes Ricky special in your eyes is his running ability... well, Johnson is a better runner...

CPonder14
12-22-2007, 06:09 AM
Josh Johnson(QB) is a sleeper. If he is there in round 4 i would grab him. The kid has a lot of talent, and has good intangibles.

A project, but could pay off really nice in 3 or 4 years.

Nors
12-22-2007, 08:52 AM
Josh Johnson(QB) is a sleeper. If he is there in round 4 i would grab him. The kid has a lot of talent, and has good intangibles.

A project, but could pay off really nice in 3 or 4 years.

7th round to UDFA

CPonder14
12-22-2007, 09:13 AM
7th round to UDFA

I doubt it. You see the numbers he has put up in his career? That along with his rushing numbers, and add in the fact that Jim Harbaugh used to coach him.

Seems like some team will take a chance on him.

BehindEnemyLinez
12-22-2007, 09:59 AM
How did Armanti Edwards from App St. not make the AA team? I know he's not that great of a traditional QB but the kid makes things happen with his legs, big time! I've only seen him twice (against Michigan and Delaware in the championship) but he was ELECTRIC in both of those games! Maybe what he did in between wasn't worthy of AA consideration but from what I saw he should be on that team! Anyone with more knowledge of 1AA ball willing to fill me in...it'll be appreciated!

silverbear
12-22-2007, 02:54 PM
7th round to UDFA

He'll be drafted ahead of Santos...

silverbear
12-22-2007, 03:06 PM
How did Armanti Edwards from App St. not make the AA team? I know he's not that great of a traditional QB but the kid makes things happen with his legs, big time! I've only seen him twice (against Michigan and Delaware in the championship) but he was ELECTRIC in both of those games! Maybe what he did in between wasn't worthy of AA consideration but from what I saw he should be on that team! Anyone with more knowledge of 1AA ball willing to fill me in...it'll be appreciated!

He's a winner at that level, but bottom line, he averaged over 135 yards per game total offense less than Josh Johnson did...

At the same time, if Nors is gonna blow off Johnson's statistical edge over Santos by arguing that "Ricky's got the skins on the wall", then maybe Edwards SHOULD be the starting QB... after all, Appy State has won three straight I-AA/FCS national championships, that's a LOT of "skins on the wall", isn't it??

Nors
12-23-2007, 02:40 PM
He's a winner at that level, but bottom line, he averaged over 135 yards per game total offense less than Josh Johnson did...

At the same time, if Nors is gonna blow off Johnson's statistical edge over Santos by arguing that "Ricky's got the skins on the wall", then maybe Edwards SHOULD be the starting QB... after all, Appy State has won three straight I-AA/FCS national championships, that's a LOT of "skins on the wall", isn't it??

Blow what off? Johnson has a great career and quality player. Other than his insane low Ints Santos Blows him away career stat wise.

Santos 123 TD's 33 Ints 30 Rush TD's 13,212 yards passing

Johnson - 113 TD's 15 Ints 9600+- yards passing.

My bigger question on Johnson is lack of NFL Size, weight. 200 pound QB's don't play well on Sundays.....

tomson75
12-23-2007, 07:56 PM
My bigger question on Johnson is lack of NFL Size, weight. 200 pound QB's don't play well on Sundays.....

The same could be said for 6'1" NFL QB's....like Santos would be if he's lucky enough to get an invitation.

Its a bit easier to grow horizontally than vertically after college too.

Nors
12-23-2007, 08:55 PM
The same could be said for 6'1" NFL QB's....like Santos would be if he's lucky enough to get an invitation.

Its a bit easier to grow horizontally than vertically after college too.


Santos is 6-2 215/220 exact same size as Romo out of College.

I have never seen Johnson play and not sure if he can translate to NFL game. NFL Draftscout has him listed at 198 so that is a big indicator he can't handle the physical side of the NFL, NOW. Might be a nice UDFA prospect or is he a convert to WR?

tomson75
12-23-2007, 09:04 PM
Santos is 6-2 215/220 exact same size as Romo out of College.

I have never seen Johnson play and not sure if he can translate to NFL game. NFL Draftscout has him listed at 198 so that is a big indicator he can't handle the physical side of the NFL, NOW. Might be a nice UDFA prospect or is he a convert to WR?

You keep telling yourself whatever you want. I've never stood next to Romo, but I have stood next to Santos...and he's not 6'2". He doesn't even look close. Just because he's got similar measurables as Romo doesn't mean he can play like him. Romo is the exception, not the rule.

...but whatever, I hope your beloved Patriots draft this guy.

silverbear
12-24-2007, 06:48 AM
Blow what off? Johnson has a great career and quality player. Other than his insane low Ints Santos Blows him away career stat wise.

LOL... ONLY because he's played so many more games, Nors, and you know it... if you look at their respective averages PER GAME, then Johnson blows Santos away, as I clearly demonstrated earlier in the thread...

PER GAME, Johnson averaged more yards passing, and more yards of total offense... this last year, he averaged more than EIGHTY YARDS more than Santos did in total offens... PER GAME, Johnson has averaged 2.8 TD passes, Santos has averaged 2.1...

Way to act like Santos is better just because he played in seventeen more games than Johnson did... I trust you know that argument is beyond IDIOTIC...

And as a result, the "stats" you quoted are completely dishonest... for example, they make it look like Ricky is the bigger running threat, when in point of fact his TDs mostly came down close to the goal line... but Johnson averaged nearly twice as many yards per game rushing than Santos did, with a significantly higher yards per carry average...

My bigger question on Johnson is lack of NFL Size, weight. 200 pound QB's don't play well on Sundays.....

He's taller than Santos, and it's quite likely that a year in an NFL weight program would leave him in the 210-215 pound range... that's plenty big enough for an NFL quarterback... there are other "small" QBs out there who are stone GUARANTEED to be drafted before Santos this year, Colt Brennan for one...

I'll say it right here, Josh Johnson is more likely to be drafted than Ricky Santos is... if both are drafted, Johnson will be off the board first... and if one of the two winds up going on to have a good career in the NFL, my money's on Johnson over Santos...

But really, all of this is just you engaging in a bit of mental misdirection; the question was, how can you justify putting Ricky Santos in the first team FCS All-American team over Josh Johnson, when Johnson had significantly better stats-- not to mention the better TEAM-- this year...

So, back to the argument at hand, Nors-- how can you justify Ricky Santos being the starting QB on the FCS All-American team, when there are at least five or six QBs who put up comparable, or better, numbers this year??

You've spent this entire season telling us that Ricky Santos sits at the right hand of God, now you've started this thread to continue conveying that impression... but I'm here to tell you that Santos winning that honor is a JOKE, that there were others more deserving... IOW, I've been telling you that your precious hero isn't even the best QB in the FCS...

And you don't seem to have anything at all in the way of rational rebuttal...

silverbear
12-24-2007, 06:49 AM
Santos is 6-2 215/220 exact same size as Romo out of College.

I have never seen Johnson play and not sure if he can translate to NFL game.

Then you're running your mouth without having a clue... again...

Nors
12-24-2007, 10:12 AM
That Santos saw the field as a Freshman and played 4 years is not his fault.

At 198 pounds maybe Johnson can be a slash like or move to free safety in the NFL. What is his field speed? 40?

Nors
12-24-2007, 10:14 AM
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/joshjohnson.html

6-3 195 4.75

Biggems
12-24-2007, 10:54 AM
silver what do you expect.....he is a chowd....you cant reason with chowds.....no city is greater than baston.....the Celtics are the next NBA Champs....The Pats will go 19-0.....BC is the best University in the land.....the Red Sox are the Yankees of the Millennium.....the Bruins are the Canadiens of the Millennium.....and no marathon has the prestige of the Baston Marathon......

heck he might even try to convince you that was really a chowd.

IowaCowboyFan
12-24-2007, 11:16 AM
I saw Ricky play in person he is very good... he ran the option threat very effectively... not sure that he could sit back and be a pocket passer though

Biggems
12-24-2007, 11:35 AM
I saw Ricky play in person he is very good... he ran the option threat very effectively... not sure that he could sit back and be a pocket passer though

option QB, huh..............

i'll pass........give me JJ

silverbear
12-24-2007, 06:10 PM
That Santos saw the field as a Freshman and played 4 years is not his fault.

No "fault" was assigned, but of course it's rather dishonest to compare career stats and not mention that one of the two QBs played 17 more games...

Which is, of course, why my statistcal breakdown using per game averages was a fairer and more accurate comparison of the two...

At 198 pounds maybe Johnson can be a slash like or move to free safety

I'm not gonna take the cheap shot available here, simply because I know you now know how profoundly stupid that throwaway line is... you now know that Johnson has had a solid schooling in a pro-style offense run by a former NFL quarterback... and you know the scouting report on him is that he can make all the throws...

You also know that he's been bulking up steadily through his college days, some 30-odd pounds over the years, and is fully aware that he needs to bulk up some more to play in the NFL... but you're still talking about a 6-3, 200 pound QB with a big-league arm, exceptional schooling in a pro-style offense, and dominating stats in college...

So now you know it's silly to speculate about him moving to any other position... you now know that he's a legit QB prospect in this draft...

Indeed, just did a little quick research, and on all four draft websites I rely on most heavily, Johnson rates ahead of Santos...

NFL Draft Countdown has Johnson their 13th rated QB, Santos their 16th rated...

Walter's Football Site rates Johnson their 6th best QB and a 3rd round prospect... they rate Santos their 12th ranked QB and a 5th rounder...

NFL Draft Dog rates Johnson their 8th best QB and a likely 5th rounder, Santos is their 19th rated QB and a 7th rounder...

NFL Draft Scout has Johnson as their 10th rated QB and graded him a 4th-5th rounder, they had Santos as their 16th rated QB and graded him a 7th round/free agent type...

Seems the scouts like Josh a wee bit better than they like your boy, Nors... :D

silverbear
12-24-2007, 06:13 PM
silver what do you expect.....he is a chowd....you cant reason with chowds.....no city is greater than baston.....the Celtics are the next NBA Champs....The Pats will go 19-0.....BC is the best University in the land.....the Red Sox are the Yankees of the Millennium.....the Bruins are the Canadiens of the Millennium.....and no marathon has the prestige of the Baston Marathon......

heck he might even try to convince you that was really a chowd.

I always figured he was... :D

MichaelWinicki
12-24-2007, 06:26 PM
I like Santos too. I think the kid has some "Romo-like" attributes. He moves very well in the pocket and has excellent accuracy.

There are on average only 13 QB's drafted per year-- several guys will potentially be UDFAs.

Nors
12-24-2007, 06:33 PM
UNH did not ever run the option. Santos like Romo runs to pass and create plays. Kid has Moxie, but like Romo will need a few years to be ready to start in NFL. I think he will get that shot.

Nors
12-24-2007, 06:36 PM
option QB, huh..............

i'll pass........give me JJ


Option QB's don't throw for 13,000+ yards.

Nors
12-24-2007, 06:44 PM
silver what do you expect.....he is a chowd....you cant reason with chowds.....no city is greater than baston.....the Celtics are the next NBA Champs....The Pats will go 19-0.....BC is the best University in the land.....the Red Sox are the Yankees of the Millennium.....the Bruins are the Canadiens of the Millennium.....and no marathon has the prestige of the Baston Marathon......

heck he might even try to convince you that was really a chowd.

I am not from Boston

Celtics are on fire

Pats are 15-0 - I hepe we beat them in Super Bowl

BC is a top 10 team at best in football

Red Sox have won 2 World series in past 4 years.

Who care's about NHL or the Marathon.

Your rant is classic and telling.

Merry X mas!

Biggems
12-24-2007, 11:31 PM
I am not from Boston

Celtics are on fire

Pats are 15-0 - I hepe we beat them in Super Bowl

BC is a top 10 team at best in football

Red Sox have won 2 World series in past 4 years.

Who care's about NHL or the Marathon.

Your rant is classic and telling.

Merry X mas!


Well the Spurs are the Champs (3 in the last 5 years), the Cowboys are 13-2, the Astros stink (but have been to the WS in the last 3 years), and UT just won the National Championship a few years ago.