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StevenOtero
12-25-2007, 09:23 PM
Lakota Indians Secede From United States

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Several Lakota Indians, tired of having the government not live up to its treaty promises, have decided to withdraw from treaty partnerships with the U.S. altogether, forming a new country that includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

“We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by,” Phyllis Young, an Indian rights activist said. “They continue to take our land, our water, our children.”

The new Indian country will issue its own passports and driving licenses, and living there will be tax-free, as long as citizens renounce their U.S. citizenship. The State Department has not yet reacted to the Lakota declaration of independence.

Putin Threatens Recognition of Breakaway US Lakota Sioux Indian Tribe

Reports circulating in the Kremlin today state that an enraged President Putin has ordered Russian Foreign Ministry Officials to begin the processes needed for Russia to recognize the Lakota Sioux Indian Tribe as an independent Nation, and who have now broken away from the United States by renouncing their treaties with their occupiers, and as we can read as reported by the AFP News Service:

"The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull[pictured left] and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.

A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.

They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.

The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.

The treaties have been "repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life," the reborn freedom movement says.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," said Means."

Putin’s anger, according to these reports, is based upon the United States engineering of the failure of United Nations talks on the Serbian breakaway province of Kosovo which is seeking independence, and which, according to Russian experts, will lead to an ‘uncontrollable crisis’ throughout the Balkans.

Putin was reported to have told one of his top aides that ‘two can play at this game’, in an obvious reference to the American President whom President Putin blames as being behind the machinations to increase instability along Russia’s borders with Eastern Europe.

Russian legal experts further state that of all of the United States Indian Tribes, the Lakota Sioux are the best positioned to have their declaration of independence from the American government recognized by the United Nations as they remain the only indigenous peoples in the US to have refused to accept payment for their lands, estimated to be nearly $1 billion, which they consider their ‘sacred grounds’ and have stated they would never relinquish.

It is, also, interesting to note that the Lakota Sioux are credited with one of the American Indians greatest defeat of US Military Forces in the Indian Wars by defeating the US Civil War Hero George Armstrong Custer and his Seventh Calvary in June, 1876 at the battle of Little Big Horn.

With these latest events, and with Russia as a potential new ally, one can only wonder if these long suffering and resilient Indians can once again defeat their age old enemies residing in the corridors of power in Washington D.C.

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the fake norm hitzges
12-26-2007, 12:24 AM
interesting read but it means absolutly nothing.

StevenOtero
12-26-2007, 12:52 AM
interesting read but it means absolutly nothing.Hmm, it means absolutely nothing.. Oh ok, well you are an idiot. People like you are the reason this country is moving into tyranny. If this post gets deleted.. it is only further proof of blind conservative tools not wanting to see the truth.

CanadianCowboysFan
12-26-2007, 01:32 AM
Does that mean Lakota arthritis cream will no longer be subject to NAFTA?

Rackat
12-26-2007, 07:21 AM
Hmm, it means absolutely nothing.. Oh ok, well you are an idiot. People like you are the reason this country is moving into tyranny. If this post gets deleted.. it is only further proof of blind conservative tools not wanting to see the truth.
Listen pal, being a conservative does not equate to not wanting to see the truth any more than being a liberal makes you want a socialist dictatorship. You call someone else an idiot? Take a look in the mirror friend. I am a conservative, and a Cherokee Indian. I have nothing but respect for what the Lakota are doing. The US government signed the treaties, they need to live up to the treaties. If you had ever lived on a reservation, you would feel the same way.

Ben_n_austin
12-26-2007, 08:44 AM
interesting read but it means absolutly nothing.

I disagree. In my opinion, it entails huge implications on a grander scale. Russia is a player in the G8. If they take the lead on this, it could cause a stir.....

I wouldn't see it as a such a big deal if Russia doesn't take any initiative though...

Cajuncowboy
12-26-2007, 08:48 AM
I'm part Cajun and part Choctaw so I can speak with some autonomy.
While it is interesting, they really don't have the infrastructure nor the man power to make any kind of difference even if they were allowed to secede which they won't.

Honestly, it's much ado about nothing. But I like the story. Fun to read.

StevenOtero
12-26-2007, 08:56 AM
Listen pal, being a conservative does not equate to not wanting to see the truth any more than being a liberal makes you want a socialist dictatorship. You call someone else an idiot? Take a look in the mirror friend. I am a conservative, and a Cherokee Indian. I have nothing but respect for what the Lakota are doing. The US government signed the treaties, they need to live up to the treaties. If you had ever lived on a reservation, you would feel the same way.Well, not all conservatives are blind tools. BUT, I'm sure you know what I'm getting at.

burmafrd
12-26-2007, 09:16 AM
Putin sticks his oar in here and the gloves really come off. There are a lot of ways we can hurt Russia- PUtin has been really getting a bad rep for some fairly stupid behavior- and I will enjoy starting to make him hurt.

Rackat
12-26-2007, 09:22 AM
Well, not all conservatives are blind tools. BUT, I'm sure you know what I'm getting at.
Not all liberals are socialist pigs, but I am sure you know what I am getting at as well.

StevenOtero
12-26-2007, 10:47 AM
Not all liberals are socialist pigs, but I am sure you know what I am getting at as well.Yeah.. no harm no foul lol.. I didn't mean anything by bashing conservatives. I'm neither liberal or conservative. I could go on and on. Check out inforwars.com if you want some good reads.

Rackat
12-26-2007, 12:09 PM
Yeah.. no harm no foul lol.. I didn't mean anything by bashing conservatives. I'm neither liberal or conservative. I could go on and on. Check out inforwars.com if you want some good reads.
Bah, I get enough good reads around here. I used to go to democratunderground and freerepublic just to read the BS the extremists on both sides were spewing. It's boring. I've always registered as "Independent" since the first time I registered to vote in 1983. That was coming off Reagan's first term and we all still had the bad aftertaste of Nixon handing off to Ford, and then four years of Jimmah Cartah and his brother Billy. Clinton pissed me off in his handling of the military, but Carter was such a bad leader that even Ted Kennedy would have been an improvement (I exagerate!). I've never trusted either side, but I make my decisions based on less government down my back, more money in my pocket, and a strong military to ensure the latter and protect the former.

Sasquatch
12-26-2007, 03:12 PM
I'm part Cajun

Freedom fries. :tongue:

Doomsday101
12-26-2007, 03:35 PM
We will give them some shiny beads to buy it back. :lmao:

the fake norm hitzges
12-26-2007, 07:31 PM
Hmm, it means absolutely nothing.. Oh ok, well you are an idiot. People like you are the reason this country is moving into tyranny. If this post gets deleted.. it is only further proof of blind conservative tools not wanting to see the truth.



two points

1.resorting to name calling like idiot means you already lost the debate.
2.tyranny comes from the left,not right.

you probably think hitler and the nazi party was right wing.
nazism was a socialist political movement.it was nearly as left as communism.

BrAinPaiNt
12-26-2007, 07:33 PM
two points

1.resorting to name calling like idiot means you already lost the debate.
2.tyranny comes from the left,not right.

you probably think hitler and the nazi party was right wing.
nazi socialism was nearly as left as communism.

BOTH sides are quick to seize power and loath to relinquish it. Don't ever be so naive in your one sided political views to ignore that point.

StevenOtero
12-26-2007, 09:08 PM
two points

1.resorting to name calling like idiot means you already lost the debate.
2.tyranny comes from the left,not right.

you probably think hitler and the nazi party was right wing.
nazism was a socialist political movement.it was nearly as left as communism.Tyranny in this country comes from within. If you still believe the official story of 9/11.. well let's face it you are an idiot. I need not waste my time with you if you are that ignorant. BTW, tyranny comes from either side. Watch this whole thing: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6499230265406230477&q=loose+change+final+cut&total=235&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

and reply later.. only then will you have both sides of the story

StevenOtero
12-26-2007, 09:09 PM
also watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7828479818173821931&hl=en

I mean it too, if you are truly dedicated to stopping this tyranny you will watch those two videos.

BrAinPaiNt
12-26-2007, 09:12 PM
NO MORE PERSONAL INSULTS.

If it continues, people will be taking a break from the board.

the fake norm hitzges
12-26-2007, 09:57 PM
Tyranny in this country comes from within. If you still believe the official story of 9/11.. well let's face it you are an idiot. I need not waste my time with you if you are that ignorant. BTW, tyranny comes from either side. Watch this whole thing: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6499230265406230477&q=loose+change+final+cut&total=235&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

and reply later.. only then will you have both sides of the story


IF YOU THINK 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB YOUR SADLY MIS INFORMED.BETTER GET OFF THE INFOWARS WEBSITE AND STOP LISTENING TO THAT ALEX JONES.

POPULAR MECHANICS MAGIZINE DEBUNKED EVERY MYTH OF WHAT BROUGHT DOWN THOSE BUILDINGS.
EVERY CREDIBLE ENGINEER LAUGHS AT THOSE 9-11 TRUTHERS.

AND JUST BECAUSE YOU FIND SOMETHING ON GOOGLE OR YOUTUBE DOESNT GIVE IT CREDIBILITY.
HELL, ILL GIVE YOU LINKS THAT SAY BIGFOOT AND U.F.O.S EXIST.

i apologize for the caps but im not re-typing it.i didnt notice till i looked up after typing all of it.

BrAinPaiNt
12-26-2007, 10:31 PM
I don't get into all of those far fetched 9/11 conspiracies.

I think if ANY of them MIGHT have credence it would be the idea of the one plane being shot down over PA.

If we had multiple planes hitting US targets and we found another in the Air heading to another target...not to much argument to take the plane down with military intervention.

So...I am NOT saying that situation happened, just saying that if any of the conspiracies had any possible credence it could be that one.

silverbear
12-26-2007, 11:18 PM
two points

1.resorting to name calling like idiot means you already lost the debate.
2.tyranny comes from the left,not right.

you probably think hitler and the nazi party was right wing.
nazism was a socialist political movement.it was nearly as left as communism.

Well, you get an F in Political Science... Nazism might have "socialism" in it's name, but that's rather like when a Communist party calls itself the "People's Democratic Party"...

In point of fact, Nazism is a fascist political ideology, and fascism is a very right wing ideology...

Rackat
12-27-2007, 06:40 AM
I don't get into all of those far fetched 9/11 conspiracies.

I think if ANY of them MIGHT have credence it would be the idea of the one plane being shot down over PA.

If we had multiple planes hitting US targets and we found another in the Air heading to another target...not to much argument to take the plane down with military intervention.

So...I am NOT saying that situation happened, just saying that if any of the conspiracies had any possible credence it could be that one.
I have a relative that works for Mr. Hoover's organization. When the PA plane went down, I asked about it. He said "We took it down." I still believe that even though that family member later recanted. Because of where he was stationed at the time, his office would have had information.

StevenOtero
12-27-2007, 10:20 AM
IF YOU THINK 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB YOUR SADLY MIS INFORMED.BETTER GET OFF THE INFOWARS WEBSITE AND STOP LISTENING TO THAT ALEX JONES.

POPULAR MECHANICS MAGIZINE DEBUNKED EVERY MYTH OF WHAT BROUGHT DOWN THOSE BUILDINGS.
EVERY CREDIBLE ENGINEER LAUGHS AT THOSE 9-11 TRUTHERS.

AND JUST BECAUSE YOU FIND SOMETHING ON GOOGLE OR YOUTUBE DOESNT GIVE IT CREDIBILITY.
HELL, ILL GIVE YOU LINKS THAT SAY BIGFOOT AND U.F.O.S EXIST.

i apologize for the caps but im not re-typing it.i didnt notice till i looked up after typing all of it.Popular Mechanics is a good source. BUT.. just because they debunk it doesn't mean you have to believe EVERYTHING that is fed to you. You always have to get every side of the story.

StevenOtero
12-27-2007, 10:29 AM
IF YOU THINK 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB YOUR SADLY MIS INFORMED.BETTER GET OFF THE INFOWARS WEBSITE AND STOP LISTENING TO THAT ALEX JONES.

POPULAR MECHANICS MAGIZINE DEBUNKED EVERY MYTH OF WHAT BROUGHT DOWN THOSE BUILDINGS.
EVERY CREDIBLE ENGINEER LAUGHS AT THOSE 9-11 TRUTHERS.

AND JUST BECAUSE YOU FIND SOMETHING ON GOOGLE OR YOUTUBE DOESNT GIVE IT CREDIBILITY.
HELL, ILL GIVE YOU LINKS THAT SAY BIGFOOT AND U.F.O.S EXIST.

i apologize for the caps but im not re-typing it.i didnt notice till i looked up after typing all of it.See what I mean, rather than hear every side of the story, and REASEARCH EVERYTHING ON YOUR OWN. You just want to tell people: "STOP! GET OFF OF THERE! ONLY LISTEN TO WHAT YOU ARE FED! DON'T ASK QUESTIONS, BE AN OBEDIENT CITIZEN." Listen, not everything is so black & white. If you truly, honestly believe the "official" story of 9/11 YOU ARE SADLY MIS-INFORMED. You don't even have a leg to stand on in this debate. Yeah, I resorted to name calling right away. But.. you just throw out there that popular mechanics debunked it. Yeah buddy, I read that too. Just because they say it doesn't mean it's the supreme source of the land. If you won't watch those videos, you don't want to see the truth. You can research EVERY SINGLE fact that is presented, and will get the same answer.

burmafrd
12-27-2007, 10:39 AM
Two things argue against Flight 93 being shot down.

1) No Air Force aircraft were within range when it went down. This was shown on tapes of Air Traffic Control. The closest fighter was well over 100 miles away- far out of range of AMRAM or Sidewinder.

2). There are no bases or anywhere that any Patriot or Chapparal missiles are stored anywhere near where it went down. The plane was too high for any portable missiles to reach.

StevenOtero
12-27-2007, 10:42 AM
Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

It is the testimony of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta. It was censored from the 9/11 comission.

-P.S: This was taken from C-Span.

IF YOU DON'T WATCH THAT VIDEO. YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH!

burmafrd
12-27-2007, 10:48 AM
Sorry, try again. We have a little more common sense here.

StevenOtero
12-27-2007, 11:18 AM
Sorry, try again. We have a little more common sense here.If you're too lazy to research the truth. I won't waste anymore time with you.