The GROZ movement

[dbair1967]

As president and founder, I feel I need to explain our movement and ideals, see if these are important to you and then feel free to join:

1) We want a defense that pressures the QB's. We are not in favor of a scheme which allows opposing QB's time to peruse this months Readers Digest before he actually has to do something with the football.

2) We want a defense that understands that if you move your body in front of the ball while its traveling in the air, your chance to intercept said pass goes up by a factor of a 1000

3) We want a defense where DB's understand that if they see the opposing WR turning and outstretching their arms for the football, thats a good sign that the ball is nearly there and a good hint that they too need to turn and look for the ball

4) We want a defense that doesnt constantly fold in the 4th quarter of games where we have a lead.

5) We want a defense where more than once a game, we actually tackle a runner at or behind the line of scrimmage.

6) We dont want a defense that 2 or 3 times a game on 3rd and long moves to a 3 man line with 8 people defending, but somehow manages to leave a WR or TE wide open 15-20 yds downfield. Afterall, with 8 guys defending the pass you can basically double cover EVERY receiver...

7) We want a defense that actually learns after 4,986 times of seeing the QB fake a run one way and roll out the other that they need to hold their ground

8) We want a defense where LB's are not a waste of a position

9) We want a defense that forces turnovers more than a couple times a season

10) We want a defense that uses the talents of its best player to the maximum, in this case its Roy Williams. RW shouldnt be playing 80-90% of the snaps 15-25 yds downfield.

These are the principles of GROZ, I am President and Founder of GROZ and we want your support! We will probably have a bumper sticker and yard sign promotion. If absolutely necessary, we will resort to the dreaded paperbag campaign, where we wear bags at home games with the GROZ slogan on them.

David :)

[Danny White]

Do you have a replacement in mind?

[Gaede]

sign me up!

[dbair1967]

Do you have a replacement in mind?

GROZ is looking over candidates, we will come forward with an endorsement in the very near future.

David

[Danny White]

GROZ is looking over candidates, we will come forward with an endorsement in the very near future.

David

I'd be interested to see your whole list... not just your hand-picked puppet, decided in the back of some dark, smoke-filled room! :D

[dbair1967]

I'd be interested to see your whole list... not just your hand-picked puppet, decided in the back of some dark, smoke-filled room! :D

LOL

GROZ will not have a puppet candidate, but rest assured the chosen candidate should have no problem garnering support over the incumbant. Right now our defense is in "The Great Depression"...our candidate will bring us out of these terrible times

David

[dbair1967]

The GROZ committee will soon be looking into the first of many candidates, the first candidate comes forward from the "Nors Appeasement Party"...its Wade Phillips, Phillips may become a candidate if/when Schottenheimer is run from San Diego...Phillips is known for his expertise in the 3-4 and for being extremely pro-hybrid...

GROZ will keep everyone informed on all potential candidates

David

[LaTunaNostra]

Hilarious, David.

I'm not ready to apply for membership, (yet) but it will be fun to see how many fans GROZ can attract.

[Hostile]

The GROZ committee will soon be looking into the first of many candidates, the first candidate comes forward from the "Nors Appeasement Party"...its Wade Phillips, Phillips may become a candidate if/when Schottenheimer is run from San Diego...Phillips is known for his expertise in the 3-4 and for being extremely pro-hybrid...

GROZ will keep everyone informed on all potential candidates

David
If Wade Phillips ever steps foot on a Dallas Sideline there aren't enough places for you to hide for bringing it up. I will hunt you down. :eek:

[joseephuss]

The GROZ committee will soon be looking into the first of many candidates, the first candidate comes forward from the "Nors Appeasement Party"...its Wade Phillips, Phillips may become a candidate if/when Schottenheimer is run from San Diego...Phillips is known for his expertise in the 3-4 and for being extremely pro-hybrid...

GROZ will keep everyone informed on all potential candidates

David

Phillips coaches the 3-4, but he is far from an expert. I agree with Hos. No thank you.

[Big D]

I for one am not in. I think Zim does a great job with the available talent.

Unless you actually want Zim out on the field in the nickel package I don't know that he can do much more.

[Cheap Shot Artist]

Groz!!!!!!

Dust of Jerry Glanville and the old "Gritz Blitz" and bring it down to big D

[Hostile]

Phillips coaches the 3-4, but he is far from an expert. I agree with Hos. No thank you.
I got an extra hunting rifle you can use. You're welcome on this safari.

[LaTunaNostra]

the first candidate comes forward from the "Nors Appeasement Party"...its Wade Phillips

Nors could only be appeased by Romeo Crennel, or better yet, Mumbles deciding he wants to end his career as Tuna's henchman again. (so he can prove Bill can only win WITH him)

[dbair1967]

Nors could only be appeased by Romeo Crennel, or better yet, Mumbles deciding he wants to end his career as Tuna's henchman again. (so he can prove Bill can only win WITH him)

GROZ isnt a big supporter of the Nors Appeasement Party, because we've had 44 years of winning tradition with the 4-3...the 3-4 has had limited success when it comes to the number of championships it brings in...

GROZ also belives with proper coaching, we're only a couple players away from being a very very defense

David

[Nors]

The GROZ committee will soon be looking into the first of many candidates, the first candidate comes forward from the "Nors Appeasement Party"...its Wade Phillips, Phillips may become a candidate if/when Schottenheimer is run from San Diego...Phillips is known for his expertise in the 3-4 and for being extremely pro-hybrid...

GROZ will keep everyone informed on all potential candidates

David


Dave Mangini - DB coach Pats. Has seen how BB, Crennel move in and out of 4-3, 3-4. Has seen firsthand how a High End D is organized. Crennel if you could steal him first. Mangini second.

I also throw $ at both the Giants/Jets DC's to make a lateral and come to Dallas............

[chicago JK]

Just curious...Do club members blame Zimmer when they get shot down by a girl at a bar or lose a business deal?

I know it is all fun and games to blame Zimmer and Zim still has to prove his worth each year, but I think all this Zimmer bashing is comical. I travel a lot to watch NFL games with clients and it seems like every team's fans has that one coordinator who is the reason why they are losing. I always chuckle at those fans.

I may not be the biggest fan of our defense and may not think Zimmer is the second coming, but he HAS produced a good defense over the past several years without an abundence of true star making talent on his defense.

[junk]

Just curious...Do club members blame Zimmer when they get shot down by a girl at a bar or lose a business deal?

I know it is all fun and games to blame Zimmer and Zim still has to prove his worth each year, but I think all this Zimmer bashing is comical. I travel a lot to watch NFL games with clients and it seems like every team's fans has that one coordinator who is the reason why they are losing. I always chuckle at those fans.

I may not be the biggest fan of our defense and may not think Zimmer is the second coming, but he HAS produced a good defense over the past several years without an abundence of true star making talent on his defense.

Well said. I think Zim does a good job with what he is given.

Nors and I did discuss other candidates the other night though. He pimped Mangini (as he did in this thread). I like Bo Pelini.

[AceofSpades]

I want a defense that actually disguises a blitz instead of showing the blitz 20 seconds before the snap. Our defense is so predictable. Cover 2 man on 1st and 2nd then cover 0 on 3rd. How about mixing in some zone defenses. Right now, our defense doesn't scare anyone.

[dbair1967]

I want a defense that actually disguises a blitz instead of showing the blitz 20 seconds before the snap. Our defense is so predictable. Cover 2 man on 1st and 2nd then cover 0 on 3rd. How about mixing in some zone defenses. Right now, our defense doesn't scare anyone.

duly noted, GROZ definitely welcomes creative ideas...we want someone to expand the 1/2 page defensive playbook we currently use

David

[LaTunaNostra]

You GROZites need some special trappings, some way to recognize each other, like an insignia, banner, or signature, tatoo, greeting or special handshake.

[dbair1967]

You GROZites need some special trappings, some way to recognize each other, like an insignia, banner, or signature, tatoo, greeting or special handshake.

good idea...I'll get to work on this


David

[mperfection]

Just curious...Do club members blame Zimmer when they get shot down by a girl at a bar or lose a business deal?

I know it is all fun and games to blame Zimmer and Zim still has to prove his worth each year, but I think all this Zimmer bashing is comical. I travel a lot to watch NFL games with clients and it seems like every team's fans has that one coordinator who is the reason why they are losing. I always chuckle at those fans.

I may not be the biggest fan of our defense and may not think Zimmer is the second coming, but he HAS produced a good defense over the past several years without an abundence of true star making talent on his defense.

And he HAS kept very good players from becoming great players! His usage of Roy Williams this year is making Roy look pedestrian compared to his two previous seasons, and I really believe that Newman's subpar play this year is due, in part, to ineffective (read: a "scared" DC) coaching. :rolleyes:

[mperfection]

It would be an answer to prayer to see Zimmer gone after this season!

[dbair1967]

he reason why they are losing. I always chuckle at those fans.

I may not be the biggest fan of our defense and may not think Zimmer is the second coming, but he HAS produced a good defense over the past several years without an abundence of true star making talent on his defense.

How many stars does he need? Glover, Ellis, Bguyen, Williams and Newman are all excellent players...Coakley has been a 3 time probowler, incl last yr...Singleton is a steady player

I mean come on, this is the salary cap era...you cant have a defense with 10 all pros....eventually you have to COACH UP what you have, Zimmer coaches down our really good players

David

[Erik_H]

As president and founder...

So you say. I think Hollywood Henderson would have a gripe on that point. HH has been complaining about Zimmer since he was coaching Pop Warner.

I don't know. Was there a coup? Has HH been taken out?

C'mon dave what'd ya do to Hollywood?

[dbair1967]

So you say. I think Hollywood Henderson would have a gripe on that point. HH has been complaining about Zimmer since he was coaching Pop Warner.

I don't know. Was there a coup? Has HH been taken out?

C'mon dave what'd ya do to Hollywood?

He didnt move fast enough to form the actual GROZ organization :)

I offered to make him VP, but I'm disappointed that he hasnt chimed in on this thread.

But I have no problem sharing the responsibilities with him, there is definitely room for ALL on the GROZ bandwagon

David

[AceofSpades]

What do you guys think of this.
https://home.comcast.net/~kfox85/GROZ.jpg

[Hollywood Henderson]

Sorry for being late my fellow American's...er...Cowboy fans...

It matters not... who is president, David, your doing a fine job of mentioning key points of our zimmy (Squiggy's) failure to install a D that reminds us of DOOMSDAY, and I applaud you for being proactive in our search for a real DC who can make us Cowboy fans proud and champions once again!

We do play a very wussified style that is a slow...but sure DEALTH...

Points have been made that our scheme holds back our key players...Its SOOOOOOO TRUE!

Of course our players aren't going to call out the DC...in public...But...Anyone with a half iota of football IQ can tell weren't not a smart or effective team on D...

Its also easy to understand how our previous high rankings were overrated...Teams knew they could play our DC very safe and easily win in the 4th 1/4 when they had to...

But that was then, this is now, its still early, we can "Climb that mountain" we DO have many talented players on D!

Frankly many also know I am no BIG fan of lil Dat & Dex...(No pun intended)
However, they are effective at reading short pass plays...But if I see zimmy try & blitz them again I will PUKE! They would both be better suited in nickle/dime roles...

Roy is a great Blitzer, James could be a STAR IF...he was used to put terror in QB's...He is the ONLY LBER we have that actually hits & hurts other teams players...Thats just wrong, we need a defensive team FULL of players who intimidate a offense into mistakes & losses, who can bring the PAIN!

Wiley is this years version of Eb, Carver, Pittman...ect...Players who were very effective sackers (as was Ellis) in college, yet are stifflied by a passive, never (hardly) sack a QB "Occupy & engage" D...so-called fans always call for a new DE who "Can rush the passer" yet in our system its NOT ALLOWED...well at least not until a Olineman already has a firm grasp on our guy, because he is engaging AS HE IS TAUGHT! Fella's, by then its TOO LATE!

This is just way too predictable to play defense in todays game...Sure, we can beat poor to average teams because of better talent, but we can NEVER fulfill our teams vast potential playing passive predictable CRAP...

This scheme is also worse this year because we lack the players to even play it well..."Occupying" olineman is a sure way for smaller players to get worn down & beat in the running game as well...Its not what a Glover should or can do well...Ellis is pretty tough, but he would also excell at ATTACKING...

By no means does this mean "helter skelter" for 11 guys on D...It means playing a very very well cordinated scheme where everyone still has a job to do & cover...BUT...NO ONE KNOWS whats coming, except the players & COACH!

It pains me to say it, but Jim Johnson of filthy gets the most out of the least talent then anyone out there...He can take rookie small CB's and have a team that will go kill QB's...AND WIN GAMES!

Call me old fashioned, but I still beleive, perhaps moreso in todays game then ever before, you kill the other teams QB and you will win 95% of the time...

Lets all hope for a early return to DOOMSDAY and a early pink slip to zimmy/squiggy wuss...

We deserve so much better!

DOOMSDAY...DOOMSDAY...DOOMSDAY!

[Hollywood Henderson]

Ace: Wow thats so good ...its SCARY!

Erik: Thanks, man you must have been around a long time yourself! :D ...I have been on zimmy's case (& Campy's) before him...way before the embarrasing "pickle juice" game...

[Hostile]

Anyone who thinks Romeo Crennel would come here in a lateral move is living in a fantasy world. His next gig will be as the point man for someone.

Dave Wannstedt will be let go in Miami. If Zimmer leaves look for him to get a look. He knows the 4-3 and while he was here our defense attacked.

[DLK150]

You GROZites need some special trappings, some way to recognize each other, like an insignia, banner, or signature, tatoo, greeting or special handshake.Here you go...An alternate logo. Not ready to become a member myself yet, though.

http://home.comcast.net/~dklink913/groz.jpg

[Put Henson In]

You have nothing to complain about until you see greg davis coach an offense. Never have I seen one take such great talent (Chris Simms, Vince Young) and turn them into crap. He is infinitely worse than Zimmer, and therefore I cannot join GROZ until gd is fired and back to coaching the offensive line at some junior high.

[Skeptic]

Booo.

That's all.

[Nors]

Anyone who thinks Romeo Crennel would come here in a lateral move is living in a fantasy world. His next gig will be as the point man for someone.

Dave Wannstedt will be let go in Miami. If Zimmer leaves look for him to get a look. He knows the 4-3 and while he was here our defense attacked.


That would be a horrid choice. Parcells needs to implement his values and his style Defense.

[LaTunaNostra]

Anyone who thinks Romeo Crennel would come here in a lateral move is living in a fantasy world. His next gig will be as the point man for someone.



TH, true his next gig, and Weis's even more so, should be moves up.

But lateral moves might be in the future for these two due to the Pats cheapness. They refuse to pay their coordinators the going rate, and it's been speculated even if they don't land HC jobs, they will be off to greener pastures when their contracts expire. I don't know when Romeo's is up, but Charlie's ends this season..

Our coordinators are making twice what theirs are. And theirs helped earn rings.
(more fuel for the Groz movement :D )

[DipChit]

Eh, I dunno. Even though I'd like to see more turnovers created and more QB pressure it's still kinda hard for me to rag about much of anything on the defensive side. Fact is most all the games we've won over the last 3 years have been because of the way the defense has played. The only reason you got to 10 wins last year was because of the D making sure the crappy offensive teams we played didnt suddenly start clicking. Something like 9 times we held the opponent to 14 or less. Course nevermind we lost 3 of those games anyway.

Oh sure, they've given some away too. But comparatively I cant think of hardly any games we've won simply because of our offense. We score 3 offensive TD's in a game and it's cause for a parade for as rarely as it's happened. Yeah, yeah, I realize that some turnovers would result in some cheap TD's though too.

Still though, like back in the glory days no matter how good one might have thought our D was the fact is when they went up against like S.F I knew damn well they'd score their fair share of points against us anyway. The difference was however, that I knew we'd likely be able to outscore them regardless.

Nowadays I measure our teams ability to win a particular game by the likelihood that the defense can hold the other team under 17 (which they've done thier fair share of) because it's rather obvious we aint gonna light up *anybody* with our offense.

I got too many other things to rag about right now. I'll wait until we start losing a bunch of games 34-31, 41-35, and 37-34 before I worry toooo much about the D.

[dbair1967]

What do you guys think of this.
https://home.comcast.net/~kfox85/GROZ.jpg

EXCELLENT!!! AoS is definitely being named an officer...

David

[dbair1967]

Here you go...An alternate logo. Not ready to become a member myself yet, though.

http://home.comcast.net/~dklink913/groz.jpg

another classic, but if that is Cundiff doing the kicking...he might miss and he certainly wont kick him hard enough :)

David

[HowAboutThemCowboys]

I am totally in!!!!!

How about hats and t-shirts.........can we get hats and t-shirts? All good clubs have hats and t-shirts!

[Hollywood Henderson]

Good stuff guys!

Maybe zimmy could have a T-Shirt with his brand of D on it....

DOOMSDAY-less

[Hostile]

That would be a horrid choice. Parcells needs to implement his values and his style Defense.
He does run Parcells' style of defense. One that attacks and disrupts.

I keep telling you schemes don't matter, execution does.

[ghst187]

good, funny stuff!
I'm certainly a wholehearted supporter of all your thesis statements although I'm not spitting venom at Zimmer...yet. I am disappointed that we're doing less with more than a lot of other teams. I think man for man, we have better personnel than a lot of other teams who are doing a lot better than us and several that beat us.
I'm equally as disappointed with our offense. Will you also spark a GROMC movement (get rid of Maurice Carthon)? We have two pro bowl OL, some good blocking TE's, and a very good center, and two more decent run blocking OLmen on the other side yet we still can't run the ball.
We have Keyshawn and Terry Glenn (who is having a probowl year) and Vinny has gotten pretty darn good protection, yet we still can't score TDs in the redzone. I think the offense has been equally disappointing.
I'm definitely for the GREG movement (get rid of eddie george).

[Hostile]

TH, true his next gig, and Weis's even more so, should be moves up.

But lateral moves might be in the future for these two due to the Pats cheapness. They refuse to pay their coordinators the going rate, and it's been speculated even if they don't land HC jobs, they will be off to greener pastures when their contracts expire. I don't know when Romeo's is up, but Charlie's ends this season..

Our coordinators are making twice what theirs are. And theirs helped earn rings.
(more fuel for the Groz movement :D )
I don't think there is any way Crennel and Weis get passed over for HC jobs.

[LaTunaNostra]

I don't think there is any way Crennel and Weis get passed over for HC jobs.
They should be rignt up there at the top of the list.

The question is how long that list will be.

I doubt there will be nearly the amount of HC turnover there was last year.

It will be interesting to see if Weis ends up in Miami.

[Hostile]

They should be rignt up there at the top of the list.

The question is how long that list will be.

I doubt there will be nearly the amount of HC turnover there was last year.

It will be interesting to see if Weis ends up in Miami.
Teams that might change Head Coaches. This includes some that might simply be on the hot seat as far as expectations. Teams where just making the playoffs might not be enough.

Miami
New Orleans
San Francisco
San Diego
Minnesota
Seattle
Cleveland

That's still 7 jobs potentially. Now, other than Weis and Crennel who are the prime candidates?

[junk]

Teams that might change Head Coaches. This includes some that might simply be on the hot seat as far as expectations. Teams where just making the playoffs might not be enough.

Miami
New Orleans
San Francisco
San Diego
Minnesota
Seattle
Cleveland

That's still 7 jobs potentially. Now, other than Weis and Crennel who are the prime candidates?

Nick Saban.
Sean Payton.
Brad Childress.
Monte Kiffin.
Rod Marinelli.
Scott Linehan.

Just a few guys who might attract some attention.

[Hostile]

Nick Saban.
Sean Payton.
Brad Childress.
Monte Kiffin.
Rod Marinelli.
Scott Linehan.

Just a few guys who might attract some attention.
What about Mike Zimmer?






~ducking the GROZ Movement projectile throwers~

[LaTunaNostra]

Teams that might change Head Coaches. This includes some that might simply be on the hot seat as far as expectations. Teams where just making the playoffs might not be enough.

Miami
New Orleans
San Francisco
San Diego
Minnesota
Seattle
Cleveland

That's still 7 jobs potentially. Now, other than Weis and Crennel who are the prime candidates?
TH, and of course we're talking potential firings, but Erickson has little expectation pressure on him as th Niunes fo thru anothe rebuild - in fact, keeping his team competitive as it's been the pst two weeks, in the face of the Peterson injury, and mega cap losses, may actually elevate his status.

Butch Davis just won a war against Carmen Policy and Ron Wolf, who he overthrew. I thing he gets to hang this year's mess on them to some degree. Next year it wil be totally his team, and his decisions, so he'll be on the firing line then. As bad as Garcia has looked at times, it was Davis who wantd Couch out, and the other two who were behind the now unemployed Tim.

Tice is putting his own expectations for the team out there, stating all over the place no less than the Bowl will be acceptable. Still more indication Mike is much smarter than many folks give him credit for. A failure to reach that goal won't hurt him, this year, so long as the D improves and they get close. He's heading off the criticism at the pass by raising the standard so high.

This could be Seattle's year. But just as it took forever to see the Walrus stripped of his GM duties, it will take even longer to see him cast out as HC. I think if he gets to the NFC Championship Game, he's good to go a few more. And even if he doesn't, he's safe next year, a long as he wins one playoff game.

Geez, Wanny should be out, and Haslett and Marty don't look so good now either. But a late season turn around maybe a winning record over the last 8, should save Marty.

[Hostile]

TH, and of course we're talking potential firings, but Erickson has little expectation pressure on him as th Niunes fo thru anothe rebuild - in fact, keeping his team competitive as it's been the pst two weeks, in the face of the Peterson injury, and mega cap losses, may actually elevate his status.

Butch Davis just won a war against Carmen Policy and Ron Wolf, who he overthrew. I thing he gets to hang this year's mess on them to some degree. Next year it wil be totally his team, and his decisions, so he'll be on the firing line then. As bad as Garcia has looked at times, it was Davis who wantd Couch out, and the other two who were behind the now unemployed Tim.

Tice is putting his own expectations for the team out there, stating all over the place no less than the Bowl will be acceptable. Still more indication Mike is much smarter than many folks give him credit for. A failure to reach that goal won't hurt him, this year, so long as the D improves and they get close. He's heading off the criticism at the pass by raising the standard so high.

This could be Seattle's year. But just as it took forever to see the Walrus stripped of his GM duties, it will take even longer to see him cast out as HC. I think if he gets to the NFC Championship Game, he's good to go a few more. And even if he doesn't, he's safe next year, a long as he wins one playoff game.

Geez, Wanny should be out, and Haslett and Marty don't look so good now either. But a late season turn around maybe a winning record over the last 8, should save Marty.
Every year a coach or two are dismissed because an owner gets impatient. Anywhere between 5 and 9 firings can be expected.

We're not even mentioning he college ranks as job fields here.

Crennel in Dallas is a pipe dream.

[LaTunaNostra]

Every year a coach or two are dismissed because an owner gets impatient. Anywhere between 5 and 9 firings can be expected.

We're not even mentioning he college ranks as job fields here.

Crennel in Dallas is a pipe dream.
Well, I think this year it will be closer to five.

I don't know when Crennell's contract is up making a lateral move for more money might be a moot point. I would not take him over Zim, anyway.


Weis has had it tho, with NE. He SHOULD get a HC job, but he will go to the college ranks, or for the right price and right circumstances (like behind Schotty) I think he'd consider another OC job, if it had the asst hc tag and the million buck ticket with it.

[Hostile]

Well, I think this year it will be closer to five.

I don't know when Crennell's contract is up making a lateral move for more money might be a moot point. I would not take him over Zim, anyway.


Weis has had it tho, with NE. He SHOULD get a HC job, but he will go to the college ranks, or for the right price and right circumstances (like behind Schotty) I think he'd consider another OC job, if it had the asst hc tag and the million buck ticket with it.
I'm trying to shatter Nors' dreams and you keep giving him hope.

Stop it. :D

[joseephuss]

Teams that might change Head Coaches. This includes some that might simply be on the hot seat as far as expectations. Teams where just making the playoffs might not be enough.

Miami
New Orleans
San Francisco
San Diego
Minnesota
Seattle
Cleveland

That's still 7 jobs potentially. Now, other than Weis and Crennel who are the prime candidates?

I think you can add Green Bay to that list. Especially if they continue to lose games at home. Hopefully, this weekend will bring another home loss for them.

[Midswat]

Dbair . . . I would be proud to be a member of such a high ranking organization . . .

I'm quite vocal in my disdain for Zimmer, and have no qualms about placing the blame of the entire season on this useless, overrated bum.

[Yeagermeister]

Me like GROZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone think Bob Stoops would agree to be a DC before taking a HC job?

[k19]

Me like GROZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone think Bob Stoops would agree to be a DC before taking a HC job?
I couldn't agree more on both parts. Will never happen but its a VERY nice thought.

[Hostile]

I think you can add Green Bay to that list. Especially if they continue to lose games at home. Hopefully, this weekend will bring another home loss for them.
I actually considered them, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, and some others as potential places for coaching changes. When performances do not meet expectations heads roll.

[Hostile]

Me like GROZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone think Bob Stoops would agree to be a DC before taking a HC job?
NO, but he is at the top of my wish list for HC here one day.

[p1_]

As president and founder, I feel I need to explain our movement and ideals, see if these are important to you and then feel free to join:

1) We want a defense that pressures the QB's. We are not in favor of a scheme which allows opposing QB's time to peruse this months Readers Digest before he actually has to do something with the football.

2) We want a defense that understands that if you move your body in front of the ball while its traveling in the air, your chance to intercept said pass goes up by a factor of a 1000

3) We want a defense where DB's understand that if they see the opposing WR turning and outstretching their arms for the football, thats a good sign that the ball is nearly there and a good hint that they too need to turn and look for the ball

4) We want a defense that doesnt constantly fold in the 4th quarter of games where we have a lead.

5) We want a defense where more than once a game, we actually tackle a runner at or behind the line of scrimmage.

6) We dont want a defense that 2 or 3 times a game on 3rd and long moves to a 3 man line with 8 people defending, but somehow manages to leave a WR or TE wide open 15-20 yds downfield. Afterall, with 8 guys defending the pass you can basically double cover EVERY receiver...

7) We want a defense that actually learns after 4,986 times of seeing the QB fake a run one way and roll out the other that they need to hold their ground

8) We want a defense where LB's are not a waste of a position

9) We want a defense that forces turnovers more than a couple times a season

10) We want a defense that uses the talents of its best player to the maximum, in this case its Roy Williams. RW shouldnt be playing 80-90% of the snaps 15-25 yds downfield.

These are the principles of GROZ, I am President and Founder of GROZ and we want your support! We will probably have a bumper sticker and yard sign promotion. If absolutely necessary, we will resort to the dreaded paperbag campaign, where we wear bags at home games with the GROZ slogan on them.

David :)

but what's GROZ?

[Eddie]

but what's GROZ?


ha ha. p1 has been living under a rock.

Ok, I get it ... just a joke.

Get Rid of Zimmer :D

[Danny White]

Me like GROZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone think Bob Stoops would agree to be a DC before taking a HC job?

You might be able to get Mike Stoops.

Bob already makes $3 million a year and has rock-solid job security.

Brent Venables is almost certainly available.

[Hostile]

You might be able to get Mike Stoops.

Bob already makes $3 million a year and has rock-solid job security.

Brent Venables is almost certainly available.
Hey, leave my coach alone. He likes Tucson and we like him.

[LaTunaNostra]

It's premature, but where does Tyrone Willingham go from here? Especailly if he continues to do well at ND, and recruits as well as the Notre Dame academic standards allow him to? And succeeds without pulling a Lou Hiltz and lowering them?

Head Coach of the Fighting Irish is considered the plum coaching job in all of football, not just the NCAA. Most other HC jobs - even in the pros - would be steps down. But TW is young - doubt he stays there forever.

He might consider America's Team somewhere down the line.

[Eddie]

It's premature, but where does Tyrone Willingham go from here? Especailly if he continues to do well at ND, and recruits as well as the Notre Dame academic standards allow him to? And succeeds without pulling a Lou Hiltz and lowering them?

Head Coach of the Fighting Irish is considered the plum coaching job in all of football, not just the NCAA. Most other HC jobs - even in the pros - would be steps down. But TW is young - doubt he stays there forever.

He might consider America's Team somewhere down the line.


And to think, ND almost offered the job to Syracuse HC Paul Pasqualoni. They should have taken him ... SU may have had a few winning seasons since then. :cool:

[DLK150]

It's premature, but where does Tyrone Willingham go from here? Especailly if he continues to do well at ND, and recruits as well as the Notre Dame academic standards allow him to? And succeeds without pulling a Lou Hiltz and lowering them?

Head Coach of the Fighting Irish is considered the plum coaching job in all of football, not just the NCAA. Most other HC jobs - even in the pros - would be steps down. But TW is young - doubt he stays there forever.

He might consider America's Team somewhere down the line.
The jury's still out on Willingham right now. I'd say he needs to finish this year successfully and have another season or two of success before making the jump. He's still got a lot of Davie's guys playing right now, though it seems they're coached better. Hard to tell because they were freshmen in Davie's last year.

If there's one thing I can give him credit for, he's handled the pressure very well although I think he's felt it more this year. He showed a lot more emotion in the Michigan game than anyone's seen since he's been around, and I think that was a release of some of that pressure. Expectations may be higher around here than they are in Dallas, but Tyrone sticks to his guns.

Besides head coach, his experience includes stints as a secondary, ST, WR and RB coach in college and a RB coach with the Vikings for a few years.

[PullMyFinger]

LOL Sign me up ASAP. Ill agree with a previous poster, bring in Jerry Glanville, or better yet Mike Ditka.

[AceofSpades]

What about Mike Zimmer?






~ducking the GROZ Movement projectile throwers~
GROZ fully supports Zimmer gettings a Head Coaching job. Hopefully he can get the Redskins job after Gibbs is fired next year. :D

[dbair1967]

Dbair . . . I would be proud to be a member of such a high ranking organization . . .

I'm quite vocal in my disdain for Zimmer, and have no qualms about placing the blame of the entire season on this useless, overrated bum.

your in...maybe we should make you an officer as well...perhaps director of new membership...

David

[dbair1967]

ha ha. p1 has been living under a rock.

Ok, I get it ... just a joke.

Get Rid of Zimmer :D

Eddie, love the sig

David , President and Founder

GROZ, join the movement

[dbair1967]

GROZ fully supports Zimmer gettings a Head Coaching job. Hopefully he can get the Redskins job after Gibbs is fired next year. :D

what he said

:)

David

[Tio]

Let me be the first to say that RW31 supports this club. May he join? RW31 would make a good muscle man, he is so **** intimidating....

[Hollywood Henderson]

Ace: Good suggestion, getting zimmy/squiggy wuss a HC gig at washington...That would be IDEAL!

LTN: I don't think Tyrone Willingham has turned the corner yet...He has shown many times this year he isn't that good of a coach...

I want a DC who is creative...thinks many plays ahead...Dictates the game to the offense...creates fear, mistakes & TURNOVERS! A DC who is going to INTIMIDATE!
Instead of zimmy wuss... always coaching one game behind...

Any lover of the Dallas Cowboys should become a full fledged memeber of GROZ!

[dbair1967]

Let me be the first to say that RW31 supports this club. May he join? RW31 would make a good muscle man, he is so **** intimidating....

RW is in!

All are welcome!

David
President, Founder
GROZ

[LaTunaNostra]

LTN: I don't think Tyrone Willingham has turned the corner yet...He has shown many times this year he isn't that good of a coach...



well, he's turning the screws on Boston College today... :mad:

[Hollywood Henderson]

Well? It looks like BC has won, what is it? 5 times in a row vs ND?

[LaTunaNostra]

Well? It looks like BC has won, what is it? 5 times in a row vs ND?
Yeah, that second half was ALL Eagles. :)

[Fletch]

Sorry, but I don't buy that all our problems on defense stem from Mike Zimmer. Couldn't it be possible that lack of a big DT to man the middle is a problem? Could it be possible that we are playing a 7th round rookie at RCB along with a veteran CB (T. Williams) who wasn't in camp with the Cowboys at the beginning of the year and is learning on the fly and a rookie in Nate Jones in the slot? Could it be that T-New is really having a sophmore slump? And the biggest question, could it be that the Cowboys failed in the offseason to pick up a DE and a CB who could actually help the defense?

So sorry, but the GROZ movement is pretty lame in my humble opinion. I think the biggest problem is Dallas stood pat in free agency when they could have gone after some impact players on both sides of the ball to help in 2004. Also, what about the offense going 3 and out more times than not? All factor into this shaky start. It does not all fall upon Zimmer's shoulders. Get real guys. :rolleyes:

[THEHEREAFTER]

Sorry for being late my fellow American's...er...Cowboy fans...

It matters not... who is president, David, your doing a fine job of mentioning key points of our zimmy (Squiggy's) failure to install a D that reminds us of DOOMSDAY, and I applaud you for being proactive in our search for a real DC who can make us Cowboy fans proud and champions once again!

We do play a very wussified style that is a slow...but sure DEALTH...

Points have been made that our scheme holds back our key players...Its SOOOOOOO TRUE!

Of course our players aren't going to call out the DC...in public...But...Anyone with a half iota of football IQ can tell weren't not a smart or effective team on D...

Its also easy to understand how our previous high rankings were overrated...Teams knew they could play our DC very safe and easily win in the 4th 1/4 when they had to...

But that was then, this is now, its still early, we can "Climb that mountain" we DO have many talented players on D!

Frankly many also know I am no BIG fan of lil Dat & Dex...(No pun intended)
However, they are effective at reading short pass plays...But if I see zimmy try & blitz them again I will PUKE! They would both be better suited in nickle/dime roles...

Roy is a great Blitzer, James could be a STAR IF...he was used to put terror in QB's...He is the ONLY LBER we have that actually hits & hurts other teams players...Thats just wrong, we need a defensive team FULL of players who intimidate a offense into mistakes & losses, who can bring the PAIN!

Wiley is this years version of Eb, Carver, Pittman...ect...Players who were very effective sackers (as was Ellis) in college, yet are stifflied by a passive, never (hardly) sack a QB "Occupy & engage" D...so-called fans always call for a new DE who "Can rush the passer" yet in our system its NOT ALLOWED...well at least not until a Olineman already has a firm grasp on our guy, because he is engaging AS HE IS TAUGHT! Fella's, by then its TOO LATE!

This is just way too predictable to play defense in todays game...Sure, we can beat poor to average teams because of better talent, but we can NEVER fulfill our teams vast potential playing passive predictable CRAP...

This scheme is also worse this year because we lack the players to even play it well..."Occupying" olineman is a sure way for smaller players to get worn down & beat in the running game as well...Its not what a Glover should or can do well...Ellis is pretty tough, but he would also excell at ATTACKING...

By no means does this mean "helter skelter" for 11 guys on D...It means playing a very very well cordinated scheme where everyone still has a job to do & cover...BUT...NO ONE KNOWS whats coming, except the players & COACH!

It pains me to say it, but Jim Johnson of filthy gets the most out of the least talent then anyone out there...He can take rookie small CB's and have a team that will go kill QB's...AND WIN GAMES!

Call me old fashioned, but I still beleive, perhaps moreso in todays game then ever before, you kill the other teams QB and you will win 95% of the time...

Lets all hope for a early return to DOOMSDAY and a early pink slip to zimmy/squiggy wuss...

We deserve so much better!

DOOMSDAY...DOOMSDAY...DOOMSDAY!

Amazing! Football is a game of inches--- if Vinny doesn't fumble it's highly probable that we hold Pitt to 17 pts. and win the game... I agree that our defense is very-very predictable but my question is HOW DO YOU KNOW THE DEFENSE IS TAUGHT TO OCCUPY AND ENGAGE? ARE YOU AT THE PRACTICES? DO YOU KNOW THE PLAYERS PERSONALLY? So if it's 3rd and ten our rushers are not using a PASS RUSH technique? Amazing! Once again I'm dissapointed in the fact that we show our hand way too early defensively. I live in Washington D.C. and the D Coordinator was Mike Nolan. I think this was around 97-99 or something like that but their (Redskins) defense was absolutely horrid-- now he coaches the leagues best Defense in B-more-- I don't know if I even have a point behind that .. just very interesting.. I think a loss makes everyone angry and we tend to dig and search more

[twa]

I'll take Zimmer over 80% of the defensive coaches out there and time you add the trouble of changing our schemes make it 90%.Find another bone to pick :D

[THEHEREAFTER]

We are 30th in take aways @ this point

[Gaede]

I'd love to put that GROZ pic in my sig, but Mr. Mifune doesn't like to share his space.

I'm sure you guys understand

[Fletch]

We are 30th in take aways @ this point

That is one number we have to get turned around. Let's blame Zimmer for that too. :rolleyes:

[LaTunaNostra]

The only thing will turn me against Zim's philosophy is if the run stopping agenda fails. Then you've got the worst of both worlds. The kind of exuberant, play the ball, multi blitz, multi front, more man coverage is EXACTLY the recipe theJets are using this year to get more out of the same "Tampa Bay" scheme that was falling short the past few years. Turn overs are being racked up finally, and ironically, the run D has IMPROVED, not gotten worse (if that was possible).

We'll see tomorrow if rookie DC Donnie Henderson's D can get some turn overs vs the Pats. I won;t believe til I see it. But if you want to see what some of you are saying would be the result of the kind of changes you want - NY is an example. Of course, the RDE talent is vastly superior.

[MichaelWinicki]

Of course, the RDE talent is vastly superior.


N-how.

:)

[Nors]

The only thing will turn me against Zim's philosophy is if the run stopping agenda fails. Then you've got the worst of both worlds. The kind of exuberant, play the ball, multi blitz, multi front, more man coverage is EXACTLY the recipe theJets are using this year to get more out of the same "Tampa Bay" scheme that was falling short the past few years. Turn overs are being racked up finally, and ironically, the run D has IMPROVED, not gotten worse (if that was possible).

We'll see tomorrow if rookie DC Donnie Henderson's D can get some turn overs vs the Pats. I won;t believe til I see it. But if you want to see what some of you are saying would be the result of the kind of changes you want - NY is an example. Of course, the RDE talent is vastly superior.

Miki and Mr Wiggly, Jets are playing the 3-4, 4-3 defense I advocate. Yup, 5-0.

[Fletch]

Miki and Mr Wiggly, Jets are playing the 3-4, 4-3 defense I advocate. Yup, 5-0.

5-0! Woohoooo! I guess you're right again. They're gonna ride that defense all the way to the Super Bowl eh? Do ya think that maybe it's the players they have and the weaker schedule that has them at 5-0? :rolleyes:

[Hostile]

Miki and Mr Wiggly, Jets are playing the 3-4, 4-3 defense I advocate. Yup, 5-0.
You mean the Jets are 5-0 because of the 3-4 defense?

Week 1 vs. Cincinnati (1-4), 31-24

Week 2 vs. San Diego (3-3), 34-28

Week 3 bye week

Week 4 vs. Miami (0-6), 17-9

Week 5 vs. Buffalo (1-4), 16-14

Week 6 vs. San Francisco (1-5), 22-14

I guess playing awful teams with a combined 6-22 record has nothing to do with that undefeated record huh. Love the 24 and 28 points given up. Man, that's superior defense.

Way to use logic. [/sarcasm off]

[Nors]

5-0! Woohoooo! I guess you're right again. They're gonna ride that defense all the way to the Super Bowl eh? Do ya think that maybe it's the players they have and the weaker schedule that has them at 5-0? :rolleyes:


They are using a 4-3, 3-4 defense and its creating TURNOVERS!

Erik the Great at Safety is rook of year!

[Nors]

You mean the Jets are 5-0 because of the 3-4 defense?

Week 1 vs. Cincinnati (1-4), 31-24

Week 2 vs. San Diego (3-3), 34-28

Week 3 bye week

Week 4 vs. Miami (0-6), 17-9

Week 5 vs. Buffalo (1-4), 16-14

Week 6 vs. San Francisco (1-5), 22-14

I guess playing awful teams with a combined 6-22 record has nothign to do with that undefeated record huh. Love the 24 and 28 points given up. Man, that's superior defense.

Way to use logic. [/sarcasm off]


4-3, 3-4 defense doing great. 5-0 is 5-0. Sometimes they are awfull when you beat them all day everyday. Where are we with "great" wuss cover deep 2?

[Hostile]

They are using a 4-3, 3-4 defense and its creating TURNOVERS!

Erik the Great at Safety is rook of year!
6-22 strength of schedule is 6-22 strength of schedule.

Welcome back Chad Pennington too.

[Nors]

6-22 strength of schedule is 6-22 strength of schedule.

Welcome back Chad Pennington too.

When you are 5-0 it hurts oponnents SOC.

Jets are all that - I watch most of their games and they have a very aggressive D. They create TO's and bounce in and out of 3-4, 4-3.

Strength of schedule means SQUAT, 5-0.

[Hostile]

When you are 5-0 it hurts oponnents SOC.

Jets are all that - I watch most of their games and they have a very aggressive D. They create TO's and bounce in and out of 3-4, 4-3.

Strength of schedule means SQUAT, 5-0.
LOL

Delusions.

"Strength of Schedule means squat." Try telling that to anyone in the BCS.

So it makes no difference that the 5 teams they've faced have a total of 6 wins and 3 of them are by 1 team?

It makes no difference that they allowed 24 points to the Bungles and 28 to the Bolts?

Delusions.

Yeah they are just as afraid of Miami as they are of New England this week.

5-0 is because of the defensive scheme. Sure it is, and the moon really is made of cheese.

[blindzebra]

LOL

Delusions.

"Strength of Schedule means squat." Try telling that to anyone in the BCS.

So it makes no difference that the 5 teams they've faced have a total of 6 wins and 3 of them are by 1 team?

It makes no difference that they allowed 24 points to the Bungles and 28 to the Bolts?

Delusions.

Yeah they are just as afraid of Miami as they are of New England this week.

5-0 is because of the defensive scheme. Sure it is, and the moon really is made of cheese.

Jets 5-0 because of Martin, not defense. ;)

[Hostile]

Jets 5-0 because of Martin, not defense. ;)
I'll stand by my strength of schedule as a contributing factor argument. Feels pretty safe.

[MichaelWinicki]

I'll stand by my strength of schedule as a contributing factor argument. Feels pretty safe.


Yeah, but you can say stuff like that because nothing sticks to you. :D

[Hostile]

Yeah, but you can say stuff like that because nothing sticks to you. :D
Teflon baby. :D

Well, that and good basis for the stances I take. ;)

[MichaelWinicki]

Teflon baby. :D

Well, that and good basis for the stances I take. ;)

But where's "Q" to tell us what you really mean? ;)

[Hostile]

But where's "Q" to tell us what you really mean? ;)
He has avoided me like the plague since that fateful day when the sample was positive.

[blindzebra]

I'll stand by my strength of schedule as a contributing factor argument. Feels pretty safe.

six of one half-dozen of another. Zip chance it's defense.

[MichaelWinicki]

He has avoided me like the plague since that fateful day when the sample was positive.


LOL!

:)

Me thinks Nors isn't going to go over where SBK & booze lurk.

[dbair1967]

Sorry, but I don't buy that all our problems on defense stem from Mike Zimmer. Couldn't it be possible that lack of a big DT to man the middle is a problem? Could it be possible that we are playing a 7th round rookie at RCB along with a veteran CB (T. Williams) who wasn't in camp with the Cowboys at the beginning of the year and is learning on the fly and a rookie in Nate Jones in the slot? Could it be that T-New is really having a sophmore slump? And the biggest question, could it be that the Cowboys failed in the offseason to pick up a DE and a CB who could actually help the defense?

So sorry, but the GROZ movement is pretty lame in my humble opinion. I think the biggest problem is Dallas stood pat in free agency when they could have gone after some impact players on both sides of the ball to help in 2004. Also, what about the offense going 3 and out more times than not? All factor into this shaky start. It does not all fall upon Zimmer's shoulders. Get real guys. :rolleyes:

other teams make do with the same or less...how do you explain teams like the Falcons and Redskisn grossly outplaying our defense this yr?

sorry, but GROZ is the rght thing to support

David

[Hostile]

LOL!

:)

Me thinks Nors isn't going to go over where SBK & booze lurk.
Too bad. They are stuck on 399 members. 1 more and they get an extra Mod. ;)

[dbair1967]

Too bad. They are stuck on 399 members. 1 more and they get an extra Mod. ;)

LOL

David

[Fletch]

other teams make do with the same or less...how do you explain teams like the Falcons and Redskisn grossly outplaying our defense this yr?

sorry, but GROZ is the rght thing to support

David

Please! Have you looked at the schedule of the Falcons? Easier teams with weaker offenses make for a potentially decent defense. So sorry, the GROZ makes absolutely no sense unless you're looking for a scapegoat. Have fun recruiting. LOL

[dbair1967]

Please! Have you looked at the schedule of the Falcons? Easier teams with weaker offenses make for a potentially decent defense. So sorry, the GROZ makes absolutely no sense unless you're looking for a scapegoat. Have fun recruiting. LOL

whats San Diego's offense ranked right now? how many points have they scored?

but you look at them and what they are doing is what good defenses do...they put solid pressure on the QB's and they are creating turnovers and negative plays consistently

David

[DLK150]

whats San Diego's offense ranked right now? how many points have they scored?

but you look at them and what they are doing is what good defenses do...they put solid pressure on the QB's and they are creating turnovers and negative plays consistently

DavidSan Diego's scoring offense is 5th in the league at 26.7 points per game. No need to mention ours at this point.:)

San Diego's scoring defense is ranked 21st with 22.6 points per game while we're 24th with 23 points per game.

[Fletch]

whats San Diego's offense ranked right now? how many points have they scored?

but you look at them and what they are doing is what good defenses do...they put solid pressure on the QB's and they are creating turnovers and negative plays consistently

David

You ever thought that if the players actually executed the scheme that maybe the Cowboys would be doing better on defense? Ya ever thought that if the guys could get off their blocks, shed their man, and get after the QB that we'd be making more plays on defense? How come everyone else can get off their blocks, swarm to the ball, or cause more disruptions than us? Oh I forgot, it's because of Zimmer. That's right. :rolleyes:

[SuspectCorner]

You ever thought that if the players actually executed the scheme that maybe the Cowboys would be doing better on defense? Ya ever thought that if the guys could get off their blocks, shed their man, and get after the QB that we'd be making more plays on defense? How come everyone else can get off their blocks, swarm to the ball, or cause more disruptions than us? Oh I forgot, it's because of Zimmer. That's right. :rolleyes:
good point. no scheme can hide the cowboys lack of execution or shortage of talent on defense. outside of ellis, name one cowboys defender who is having a better season than last year.

[dbair1967]

You ever thought that if the players actually executed the scheme that maybe the Cowboys would be doing better on defense? Ya ever thought that if the guys could get off their blocks, shed their man, and get after the QB that we'd be making more plays on defense? How come everyone else can get off their blocks, swarm to the ball, or cause more disruptions than us? Oh I forgot, it's because of Zimmer. That's right. :rolleyes:

executed what? never being in position to make plays? Have you thought of the fact that our guys line up in nearly the same position play after play, and have done so for all 4+ yrs of Zimmer's time?

I dont blame Zimmer for missed tackles, but the fact that year after yr we rank at the bottom of the league in turnovers and sacks is a problem...one of his excuses is "our DL has to play run first" and the run D stinks again...

David

[dbair1967]

good point. no scheme can hide the cowboys lack of execution or shortage of talent on defense. outside of ellis, name one cowboys defender who is having a better season than last year.

and you dont think it could be that what Zimmer does defensively would be an explanation for people playing worse?

they have some talent, this isnt Dallas 1992 or anything, but we have some good players and Zimmer is failing miserably this yr...Greg Ellis and LaRoi Glover are very good DL's...Dat Nguyen and Dexter Coakley (supposedly) are good players...Roy Williams and Terrance Newman are excellent players...we have 6 or 7 good players on defense and a couple of weak links (Wiley, who WAS a very good pas rusher at one time) and RCB...

David

[Hollywood Henderson]

The past 2 weeks I have watched teams 1st plays are a swing pass to the backs or a TE short pass that goes for 12 yards or so...

Our LBers are often so far back in coverage...They lack know how of down & distance often...How many times have we seen them back 10 yards when its 3rd & 3 only to give up first downs and easily move the ball dfown field?

Basic fundamentals are NOT even being taught...

zimmy wuss is a failure...

We go MANY games without even being close to a interception...

Favre will put it in places that we should get 3-5 picks...Lets see what happens today...

[LaTunaNostra]

Sign me up, David.

[Chocolate Lab]

You beat me to it, Herms... I logged on just to say I'm at least close to being in.

Our players on defense aren't THIS bad. No way.

[Rack Bauer]

Count me in.


Zimmer takes great defensive players and makes them average (at best).

Our defensive scheme sucks.


We need to Get Rid Of Zimmer ASAP.


And Parcells' playcalling lacks it. He gives up on the run WAY too f'in early. He needs to let Peyton do the playcalling.

[Hollywood Henderson]

All aboard!!!!

GET RID OF ZIMMY WUSS NOW!

[boysfanindc]

Dixon sucks, no second CB, no nickle back, no DE and no DT.

Yep it is all Zimmer, has nothing to do with the personel, nope nothing at all.

[Rack Bauer]

Dixon sucks, no second CB, no nickle back, no DE and no DT.

Yep it is all Zimmer, has nothing to do with the personel, nope nothing at all.


Yeah lets give the guy a probowler at every position THEN judge him. :rolleyes:


A good DCoord knows how to take advantage of his superstars. Zimmer takes our superstars and makes them average. Period.

[Hollywood Henderson]

OMG...WOW still someone who doesn't see zimmy/squiggy can't coach at ALL!

Sorry guys, I know alot of people like lil dat for soem reason but he would never start on any other team...I think it was campy who wanted to not have to look up to much when he talked to our MLB...

Really though, a "MIKE" is too vital of a position not to have a bigger, tougher, playmaker, leader there...

But first things first...FIRE zimmy NOW!

[Rack Bauer]

OMG...WOW still someone who doesn't see zimmy/squiggy can't coach at ALL!

Sorry guys, I know alot of people like lil dat for soem reason but he would never start on any other team...I think it was campy who wanted to not have to look up to much when he talked to our MLB...

Really though, a "MIKE" is too vital of a position not to have a bigger, tougher, playmaker, leader there...

But first things first...FIRE zimmy NOW!


Dat Nguyen isn't the problem. He'd start for more then half the teams in the league. He's one of the most underrated MLB's in the game.

It's Zimmer's scheme, not the size of our MLB.

[boysfanindc]

Wolf in 05!

[phildominator]

I've been a staunch supporter of Mike Zimmer since he was promoted to the position, but I'm ready to vote GROZ.

In watching football games other than Cowboys games, I see other teams collapse pockets, play physical and physically intimidate, play with pride and intensity, subpar players make interceptions and recover fumbles.

Too often, I see our defensive unit rely on our opponents' receivers to drop balls, quarterbacks to throw bad balls, or running backs to slip and fall in order to stall their own drives. We play a defense short of a Prevent.

[cowboy4322]

After watching this game, Zimmer is the biggest wuss I have ever seen as a defensive coordinator. I don't think he called 4 blitzes the whole game. He coached SCARED, yes talent has something to do with it but I have never seen a coordinator showing how obviously scared he was when calling the defenses. The defense did not play with any urgency whatsoever.

Cowboy4322