Huckabee, Obama, win in Iowa

[Danny White]

http://www.drudgereport.com/


Wow. Hillary's in trouble.

Romney's sunk.

If Fred holds on to third, that'll sink McCain as well.

[Danny White]

I'm no Obama fan, but it does make me feel better about things to know that people are already seeing through Hillary.

[Cajuncowboy]

People don't believe but I have been saying over and over. People will turn out to vote against Hillary. I'm telling you, the dems could run a telephone pole and it would beat shrill Hill.

I figured Huckabee would win Iowa but I am not so sure it will hold up over the long haul.

I still hope Hillary gets the Dem nod though. It'll be a walk in the park beating her.

[Mavs Man]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080104/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc

Obama and Huckabee win first 2008 vote
By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
29 minutes ago

Barack Obama took the first step to winning the Democratic presidential nomination on Thursday with a victory in Iowa, while Mike Huckabee capped a stunning political rise to beat Republican rival Mitt Romney.

Obama, an Illinois senator bidding to make U.S. history as the first black president, won the first Democratic test on the road to the White House with a win over New York Sen. Hillary Clinton and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, who were in a tight battle for second.

Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor and ordained Baptist minister, was projected by television networks to beat Romney fairly easily despite being dramatically outspent by the wealthy former Massachusetts governor and venture capitalist.

For the winner in Iowa, the prize is valuable momentum and at least a temporary claim to the front-runner's slot in their battle to win the party's presidential nomination in the November election.

The third-place finisher in the heavyweight Democratic showdown, meanwhile, could find themselves hobbling into New Hampshire for Tuesday's primary.

The 2008 campaign is the most open presidential race in more than 50 years, with no sitting president or vice president seeking their party's nomination.

The loss was a heavy blow for Clinton, the former first lady who a few months ago was considered in some quarters the almost certain Democratic nominee. The loss creates immense pressure to turn around her campaign in New Hampshire over the next five days.

Obama's win effectively makes him the candidate to beat among Democrats, and a win next week in New Hampshire could set him on a nearly unstoppable drive to the nomination. The next big contest would be in South Carolina, where more than half of the voters are black.

Iowa voters filled gathering spots in more than 1,700 precincts around the state to declare a presidential preference in Iowa's caucuses, which open the state-by-state battle to choose candidates in the November 4 election to succeed President George W. Bush.

In the Democratic caucuses, voters debated their options and cajoled their neighbors to switch to their candidate. Republicans conducted essentially a preference poll, casting votes soon after the caucus begins.

For Republicans, Huckabee's upset reshaped a race where no candidate has been able to claim front-runner status.

Iowa, where a sizable bloc of religious conservatives had fueled Huckabee's rapid rise, represented perhaps the best chance for the former Arkansas governor to break through with a win. His rise has been fueled by evangelical and religious conservatives who constitute a sizable bloc in Iowa.

He will face tougher going in New Hampshire, where there are fewer evangelicals, and he has lingered well behind Romney and Arizona Sen. John McCain in polls.

Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts who has had to justify his Mormon faith during the campaign, launched aggressive advertising campaigns against Huckabee and McCain in recent weeks.

Iowa's opening contest in the nominating battle has traditionally served to winnow the presidential field of laggards and elevate some surprise contenders.

Record turnout was expected for the Democrats, surpassing the 124,000 Iowans who participated in 2004. Republicans could challenge their record of 87,000 caucus participants in 2000.

(Additional reporting by Matthew Bigg, Andy Sullivan, Ellen Wulhorst, Deborah Charles and Ed Stoddard; Editing by David Wiessler)

[trickblue]

This is a real kick in the balls to Hillary... she got crushed...

This will be interesting now... she's a master of dirty politics... she'll now strap on a porno grade phallis and make Obama take it...

This woman will not be denied come Hell or high water...

[zrinkill]

jterrell must be in shock right now ..... :laugh2:

[silverbear]

I'm no Obama fan, but it does make me feel better about things to know that people are already seeing through Hillary.

That's how I feel about things tonight, too... please God, let ANYBODY beat out Clinton...

[silverbear]

This is a real kick in the balls to Hillary... she got crushed...

This will be interesting now... she's a master of dirty politics... she'll now strap on a porno grade phallis and make Obama take it...

This woman will not be denied come Hell or high water...

LOL... man, I always knew you were a GOP partisan, but until tonight, I never realized that you're nothing more than a party hack...

I loathe Clinton at least as much as you do, but do you really need to drag the lesbian imagery into this?? Is your problem with Clinton rooted in the fact she's a woman, or is it her politics?? With the juvenile cheap shots you keep taking at her, it would seem to be the former...

[Sasquatch]

LOL... man, I always knew you were a GOP partisan, but until tonight, I never realized that you're nothing more than a party hack...

I loathe Clinton at least as much as you do, but do you really need to drag the lesbian imagery into this?? Is your problem with Clinton rooted in the fact she's a woman, or is it her politics?? With the juvenile cheap shots you keep taking at her, it would seem to be the former...

Crypto-republican fo sho.

[The30YardSlant]

Obama winning this primary is not a good thing for the GOP in my humble opinion. I still maintain that Billary is just too devisive even among the staunch democrats out there and her controversial reputation among her own party could ultimately cost the liberals an election that, literally, only the American democratic party could screw up. If Obama wins the nomination, the actual election will be nothing more than a formality in all likelyhood. All those democrats arguing he is too young or too unproven will fold like a cheap tent when forced to choose between him and Huckabee.

Obama actually has it figured out. Gore, Kerry and Clinton (and the majority of our left-wing friends) spend all their time telling us how much this nation sucks and why we should be unhappy, when in fact the average Joe is extremely content with his life. Obama, on the other hand, is doing what the GOP has been for a decade now: Sit back and watch the other guy piss off America to the point that they vote for you out of hatred for said opponent. He has let Hillary make his case for him. Smart guy, and if we must have a democrat in office, I wouldnt mind it being him, especially considering the alternative will mean the end of western civilization as we know it.

[zrinkill]

Crypto-republican fo sho.

Thank God for that.

[heavyg]

I'm no Obama fan, but it does make me feel better about things to know that people are already seeing through Hillary.

Im with you. I would never vote for Obama, but would feel alot better about him if he some how wins the overall election and becomes the next Prez. Wouldn't be happy about a Dem getting in but at least I wouldn't have to hide in the mountains if Hillary some how gets in

[Danny White]

but do you really need to drag the lesbian imagery into this??

No one needs to drag lesbian imagery into a Hillary discussion, she drags it around on her own. :laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

No one needs to drag lesbian imagery into a Hillary discussion, she drags it around on her own. :laugh2:

http://blogs.chron.com/specialfeatures/archives/beavis.jpg
huh huh ha ha huh huh...You both said drag...huh huh ha ha huh huh

[Danny White]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/weshardin/Hillary20urinal.jpg







While I realize the source is somewhat "otero-esque" I'll throw this out there as well:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/11/hillary-lesbian.html

[vta]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/weshardin/Hillary20urinal.jpg



:lmao2:



While I realize the source is somewhat "otero-esque" I'll throw this out there as well:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/11/hillary-lesbian.html

I'm jealous. If I had an Aide like that, I'd have an affair with her too.

[silverbear]

Crypto-republican fo sho.

I like that better than my choice of "hack"... on rereading that, I don't think he deserved that from me... it certainly reads a lot harsher than I meant it to at the time...

Sorry, Trick... should have chosen my words a bit more carefully...

[Sasquatch]

I like that better than my choice of "hack"... on rereading that, I don't think he deserved that from me... it certainly reads a lot harsher than I meant it to at the time...

Sorry, Trick... should have chosen my words a bit more carefully...

Perhaps, but attacking the femininity and sexuality of powerful women taps into a long and distasteful history of misogyny, possibly revealing deep-seated anxieties and uncertainties about, shall we say, various things.

Not saying it's the case in this instance, but sometimes the rhetoric is so malicious that it smacks of verbal rape of an uppity woman who "had it coming to her" while all the boys stand around and laugh. Sublimation, perhaps, but parallel mentalities.

[Bach]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/weshardin/Hillary20urinal.jpg


:laugh2:

nice

[Doomsday101]

With only 7 electorial votes I don't see why such a big deal is made about Iowa or New Hampshire with 4.

[heavyg]

With only 7 electorial votes I don't see why such a big deal is made about Iowa or New Hampshire with 4.


AAAHHH The Electorial College. Another issue that needs to be addressed....lol

[Doomsday101]

AAAHHH The Electorial College. Another issue that needs to be addressed....lol

I'm just saying some of these candidates have dropped some big money in places like Iowa and the media makes a big issue of it but when you get down to it super Tuesday when many of the big states hold their primaries and who will determine the out of the election is where the focus should be. Iowa is not going to be the differance maker in my opinion.

[heavyg]

I'm just saying some of these candidates have dropped some big money in places like Iowa and the media makes a big issue of it but when you get down to it super Tuesday when many of the big states hold their primaries and who will determine the out of the election is where the focus should be. Iowa is not going to be the differance maker in my opinion.

your right. but if we didn't have the electoral college ALL states could be difference makers. I think that is why so few people vote. They feel their vote doesn't count or make a difference

[Sasquatch]

I'm just saying some of these candidates have dropped some big money in places like Iowa and the media makes a big issue of it but when you get down to it super Tuesday when many of the big states hold their primaries and who will determine the out of the election is where the focus should be. Iowa is not going to be the differance maker in my opinion.

It's about buzz and perception. The Giuliani campaign is one that is not buying into it, essentially taking your view.

[ConcordCowboy]

With only 7 electorial votes I don't see why such a big deal is made about Iowa or New Hampshire with 4.

I have said this to my wife a few times in the last weeks. I don't get why some small state has such a huge bearing on a election.

I could see if it was Texas or California or Florida...or even my dumbazz state of Ohio (for giving the Devil four more years) but Iowa?


AAAHHH The Electorial College. Another issue that needs to be addressed....lol

It should be done away with. You get the most votes you win...Period.

Now it's what states you win...hell you can lose the majority of states in the nation and still win because you won the RIGHT states.:(

[burmafrd]

If they do not want to lose the electoral idea all together, then they could just say"take the 50 states and DC and whoever wins 26 becomes President"
That would make sure that all states were fought over since they all become equal.
I grew up in Iowa, and I could never figure out why we had so much influence; along with New Hampshire. What there should be is about 10 states across the nation do it one week; 10 more the next, and so on, and rotate them so that they all get chances to be first or last. That way in 5 weeks the whole nomination process would be done. AND allow no campaigning untill 60 days prior to the first one. Start the first one the first week in june; have both conventions the last week in August, and that way the whole election campaign is only 7 months long.

[CowboyJeff]

Watching the Iowa caucuses was amusing. Florida has more absentee ballots cast than Iowa has voters. :lmao2:

[ConcordCowboy]

Watching the Iowa caucuses was amusing. Florida has more absentee ballots cast than Iowa has voters. :lmao2:

I was saying that to my wife last night.

Obama won with 940 votes.:eek:

:laugh2:

[ConcordCowboy]

Vote for Huckabee...or Die!

Thanks,

Chuck

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1730/3001yq1.jpg

[burmafrd]

That was stste delegates, not votes.

[ConcordCowboy]

That was stste delegates, not votes.

No it was Votes...not delegates.

Obama won 16 delegates.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229206

My only question here is if Edwards came in 2nd to Clinton's 3rd...why does he get 14 delegates to her 15?

[trickblue]

LOL... man, I always knew you were a GOP partisan, but until tonight, I never realized that you're nothing more than a party hack...

I loathe Clinton at least as much as you do, but do you really need to drag the lesbian imagery into this?? Is your problem with Clinton rooted in the fact she's a woman, or is it her politics?? With the juvenile cheap shots you keep taking at her, it would seem to be the former...

I've never hidden the fact that I dislike Hillary, but it's not because she's a Democrat or a woman. I don't like John McCain much better than Hillary and you can confirm that with posts from the old Political Zone. Does that make me a Democrat hack as well? ;)

I am actually a registered Democrat but I'm not proud of that. You have to be to vote in local elections around here. I'm also not a Republican, nor do I want to be. I'm part Conservative, part Libertarian... Conservatarian... :D

[Danny White]

I'm part Conservative, part Libertarian... Conservatarian... :D

I think that's been pretty clear to anyone who's paid any attention around here over the past several years.

I'm not sure why people think they're "outing" you simply because you're making fun of Hillary.

I don't think anyone in this forum is trying to hide their true beliefs... except Cajun, who once admitted to me that he's secretly a card-carrying member of the ACLU and DNC! :eek:

[ConcordCowboy]

I've never hidden the fact that I dislike Hillary, but it's not because she's a Democrat or a woman. I don't like John McCain much better than Hillary and you can confirm that with posts from the old Political Zone. Does that make me a Democrat hack as well? ;)

I am actually a registered Democrat but I'm not proud of that. You have to be to vote in local elections around here. I'm also not a Republican, nor do I want to be. I'm part Conservative, part Libertarian... Conservatarian... :D

Why do you have to be a registered Democrat to vote in your local elections?

[trickblue]

Why do you have to be a registered Democrat to vote in your local elections?

Because I live in a small rural area of Yellowdog Democrats...

If you want to be part of the process to elect sheriff, City Council, DA, etc, then you have to vote in the primaries as there will be no Republican challenger usually...

On that note... why does it matter whether or not my sheriff is GOP or Dem... I don't care about his politics, I just want him there if I need him...

[Cajuncowboy]

I think that's been pretty clear to anyone who's paid any attention around here over the past several years.

I'm not sure why people think they're "outing" you simply because you're making fun of Hillary.

I don't think anyone in this forum is trying to hide their true beliefs... except Cajun, who once admitted to me that he's secretly a card-carrying member of the ACLU and DNC! :eek:

Of course you realize...


http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/games/coverg/40/683640.jpg

[Cajuncowboy]

Why do you have to be a registered Democrat to vote in your local elections?

I wished I didn't have to go through the headache of registering democrat to vote for Hillary. I will because I want her to win the Dem nomination only to get slaughtered in the General.

:tongue:

[Danny White]

I wished I didn't have to go through the headache of registering democrat to vote for Hillary. I will because I want her to win the Dem nomination...


See, what'd I tell you? :p:

[Cajuncowboy]

See, what'd I tell you? :p:

Did you recently get a job with MSNBC?

I just wondered because you forgot the rest of the quote. :D

[iceberg]

:lmao2:
I'm jealous. If I had an Aide like that, I'd have an affair with her too.

yea, i was gonna give her credit for that one!

[Eric_Boyer]

No it was Votes...not delegates.

Obama won 16 delegates.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229206

My only question here is if Edwards came in 2nd to Clinton's 3rd...why does he get 14 delegates to her 15?

Over 300,000 votes were cast in the democratic caucus yesterday, which is a new record.

[ConcordCowboy]

Because I live in a small rural area of Yellowdog Democrats...

If you want to be part of the process to elect sheriff, City Council, DA, etc, then you have to vote in the primaries as there will be no Republican challenger usually...

On that note... why does it matter whether or not my sheriff is GOP or Dem... I don't care about his politics, I just want him there if I need him...

You know I always have said that about my Sheriff too.

Politics definitely shouldn't have anything to do with that.

No wonder the last time I called my Republican Sheriff...he didn't respond.:D

[ConcordCowboy]

Over 300,000 votes were cast in the democratic caucus yesterday, which is a new record.

How come Obama only had 940 votes and Huckabee had like 38,000 or so?

Doesn't make sense to me.

Am I missing something here?

[Viper]

How come Obama only had 940 votes and Huckabee had like 38,000 or so?

Doesn't make sense to me.

Am I missing something here?

At least Chris Dodd voted for himself...:laugh1:

[CanadianCowboysFan]

With only 7 electorial votes I don't see why such a big deal is made about Iowa or New Hampshire with 4.

As an observer from north of the border, I always find it interesting the way politicians give a crap what a few farmers in Iowa think. No Canadian politician would ever lose sleep over what happens in Prince Edward Island.

[ConcordCowboy]

At least Chris Dodd voted for himself...:laugh1:


:laugh2:

I know...ONE Vote!

I could probably get one vote.

[ConcordCowboy]

As an observer from north of the border, I always find it interesting the way politicians give a crap what a few farmers in Iowa think. No Canadian politician would ever lose sleep over what happens in Prince Edward Island.

Can't disagree with you here...I think the same thing.

[Mavs Man]

As an observer from north of the border, I always find it interesting the way politicians give a crap what a few farmers in Iowa think. No Canadian politician would ever lose sleep over what happens in Prince Edward Island.

Anne of Green Gables doesn't get a vote?

[arglebargle]

As an observer from north of the border, I always find it interesting the way politicians give a crap what a few farmers in Iowa think. No Canadian politician would ever lose sleep over what happens in Prince Edward Island.

Stompin' Tom Conners (or his ghost) is going to get you for that!

[peplaw06]

You know I always have said that about my Sheriff too.

Politics definitely shouldn't have anything to do with that.

No wonder the last time I called my Republican Sheriff...he didn't respond.:DI know that there's a growing push here in Texas to get at least the Judicial offices out of the party business. After all the Judges who ran as Dems in Dallas in 2006 won, it makes sense. I think they should do that with every elected position that doesn't have a hand in legislating.

[Cajuncowboy]

As an observer from north of the border, I always find it interesting the way politicians give a crap what a few farmers in Iowa think. No Canadian politician would ever lose sleep over what happens in Prince Edward Island.

Because they are Americans. And what Americans think matters. That is the kind of arrogance that has stymied the liberal left. They don't really care what Americans think. They only care what they think. By the way, those "few" farmers help put food on the table.

[burmafrd]

Leaving the loony from the north out of things (this is for americans only)
its typical of the arrogant liberals who do not realize that 92% of IOWA's population lives in towns and cities. There are very few farmers left, and most of them have total contempt for all politicians and do not get involved. Iowa is actually quite liberal- the city influence. NY actually has a higher percentage of people living on farms, etc then Iowa does. What you had in the caucus was very conservative republicans coming out for Huckabee and very liberal Dems coming out for Obama- though some of them also went to Hilary and Edwards. The caucus is actually the perfect place for the most commited of political types- it takes more effort then just going to vote like a primary does. Therefore you get the truly dedicated and most fanatical of a turnout.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Leaving the loony from the north out of things (this is for americans only)
its typical of the arrogant liberals who do not realize that 92% of IOWA's population lives in towns and cities. There are very few farmers left, and most of them have total contempt for all politicians and do not get involved. Iowa is actually quite liberal- the city influence. NY actually has a higher percentage of people living on farms, etc then Iowa does. What you had in the caucus was very conservative republicans coming out for Huckabee and very liberal Dems coming out for Obama- though some of them also went to Hilary and Edwards. The caucus is actually the perfect place for the most commited of political types- it takes more effort then just going to vote like a primary does. Therefore you get the truly dedicated and most fanatical of a turnout.

you know you have someone beaten when they resort to ad hominem attacks.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Because they are Americans. And what Americans think matters. That is the kind of arrogance that has stymied the liberal left. They don't really care what Americans think. They only care what they think. By the way, those "few" farmers help put food on the table.

Do you think though that possibly good candidates should feel the need to quit because they lost in two pretty small and in an overall sense, insignificant states? Face it, does anyone care what happens in Iowa or New Hampshire other than at the beginning of January every four years?

[CowboyPrincess]

For goodness sake.

I go away for a few months and come back to find that nothing has changed.

Trick is still being scolded for calling Hillary what she is.... a lying flip flopping lezbo - sorry I expanded on that just a tad...But I am woman so I'm allowed to say that about another woman :D
BP is still playing the fence
Danny White is still trying to goat Cajun ...
Cajun is still trying to turn ConcordCowboy into a Republican
Eric_Boyer is still Eric_Boyer
And we still have a Canadian that is still trying to tell us how backwards he thinks our Election process is.

Well then... I guess I have no other choice then... I'm just gonna have to come back and really stir up the pot... :laugh1:

LET THE GAMES BEGIN


BTW - I was tickled pink that Huckabee and Obama came in first.

I think they are both a breathe of fresh air. Clinton, Edwards, McCain and all the rest of the constantly rotating candidates are getting really stale. EVERY FOUR YEARS WE HEAR THE SAME OLD CRAP FROM THEM.

Do I think Either of them have a chance.... Huckabee - YES. Obama - NO. I have nothing against Obama and I think he is a bright young man. I just think there are still too many people out there that are bigoted enough to make sure he doesn't get the nod.

[heavyg]

For goodness sake.

I go away for a few months and come back to find that nothing has changed.

Trick is still being scolded for calling Hillary what she is.... a lying flip flopping lezbo - sorry I expanded on that just a tad...But I am woman so I'm allowed to say that about another woman :D
BP is still playing the fence
Danny White is still trying to goat Cajun ...
Cajun is still trying to turn ConcordCowboy into a Republican
Eric_Boyer is still Eric_Boyer
And we still have a Canadian that is still trying to tell us how backwards he thinks our Election process is.

Well then... I guess I have no other choice then... I'm just gonna have to come back and really stir up the pot... :laugh1:

LET THE GAMES BEGIN


BTW - I was tickled pink that Huckabee and Obama came in first.

I think they are both a breathe of fresh air. Clinton, Edwards, McCain and all the rest of the constantly rotating candidates are getting really stale. EVERY FOUR YEARS WE HEAR THE SAME OLD CRAP FROM THEM.

Do I think Either of them have a chance.... Huckabee - YES. Obama - NO. I have nothing against Obama and I think he is a bright young man. I just think there are still too many people out there that are bigoted enough to make sure he doesn't get the nod.


This is just my opinion and we know what they say about opinions lol

But I think this country is more than ready to elect a woman or a minority president. But I don't think either will ever come from the Democratic side. Again my opinion but the reason I say this is because for the most part Democrats seem to have to many agendas. I'm sure a few here are going to say the same about the Republicans and again opinion. But I am making a prediction. When we finally get a woman or minority president they will be a Republican.

[CowboyPrincess]

This is just my opinion and we know what they say about opinions lol

But I think this country is more than ready to elect a woman or a minority president. But I don't think either will ever come from the Democratic side. Again my opinion but the reason I say this is because for the most part Democrats seem to have to many agendas. I'm sure a few here are going to say the same about the Republicans and again opinion. But I am making a prediction. When we finally get a woman or minority president they will be a Republican.

I don't think the country is ready for a Hillary to be President. A good example is that one of the most powerful women in the world, one who is "pro woman" and fights the good fight to help women everywhere.... Oprah Winfrey.... isn't even looking at Hillary for the first woman President.

I truly believe that if the Dems would have picked anyone other than Hillary, Boxer or Pelosi... we'd have our 1st woman President elected pretty quickly. Or 1st woman President will be from whichever party finds a truly viable candidate

I know she has passed on, but I think I would have enjoyed a good ol fashion catfight between Hillary Clinton and Ann Richards for the Democratic Nomination

[Bizwah]

As an observer from north of the border, I always find it interesting the way politicians give a crap what a few farmers in Iowa think. No Canadian politician would ever lose sleep over what happens in Prince Edward Island.

Thank heaven they do.....maybe they're pretending I don't know.

But it's nice to have candidates come to these "commoners". I'm from Missouri.....guess we'd count as specks to people like you.

[Bizwah]

I don't think the country is ready for a Hillary to be President. A good example is that one of the most powerful women in the world, one who is "pro woman" and fights the good fight to help women everywhere.... Oprah Winfrey.... isn't even looking at Hillary for the first woman President.

I truly believe that if the Dems would have picked anyone other than Hillary, Boxer or Pelosi... we'd have our 1st woman President elected pretty quickly. Or 1st woman President will be from whichever party finds a truly viable candidate

I know she has passed on, but I think I would have enjoyed a good ol fashion catfight between Hillary Clinton and Ann Richards for the Democratic Nomination


I agree.....I'm a conservative through and through. I would welcome a woman or an African-American president.

But Hilary just sickens me. Not to mention she's anti-everything I stand for.

I'm encouraged by Huckabee's win.....but realistically, he won't win. He's the candidate I most identify with (heck, my dad's a Southern Baptist minister).

I don't think there's any other republican out there that really has my support (other than Huck). I'm not excited about any of them. I guess that's what the Democrats must have felt like the last eight years....not having an exciting candidate.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

And we still have a Canadian that is still trying to tell us how backwards he thinks our Election process is.

BTW - I was tickled pink that Huckabee and Obama came in first.



System itself isn't backward, it just seems odd that two small states often determine who is in or out of the race. Britain doesn't care what the people on the Orckney Islands says, France doesn't care what the people on Corsica think, Russia doesn't care what the people in Lake Baykal (sp) have to say. No way they would let those areas determine who runs and doesn't run. It just seems odd.

As for Huckabee, no way I could vote for a guy who says evolution isn't proven and who says he is a creationist. Even though I think Guiliani tries to live too much off his few hours of fame in 2001, I would probably vote for him if I were Republican as he supports women's rights to choose for themselves.

If I were a Democrat, it would be a toss up between Obama and Clinton.

If Hillary doesn't win, it will be the end of the dynasties in american politics, the Kennedys, then Bushes and then the Clintons. Who says Americans don't want a King and Queen with the right to pass the crown on to children/spouses.

[mr.jameswoods]

The thing I like about Obama and Huckabee is that both of them have opinions and stand by them. Hillary is just a politician and can't provide a straight answer on any issue. The same goes for John McCain and Mitt Romney.

I'm getting so sick of these politicians that I just want to vote a person that is willing to give us his or her opinion instead of trying to be popular. I'm a realist and I won't agree 100% with what any politician says but at least if they are being upfront about their policy, I know what I'm voting for. There is just some so phony about Romney and Hillary.

[Ben_n_austin]

jterrell must be in shock right now ..... :laugh2:

Why? This is politics. Stranger things have happened.:)

I think Gravel will make a surge and win it!

[burmafrd]

Our election process is about as screwed up as our justice system. Or our Federal government. State Government. hmm. I do see a trend there.

Its totally bizarre that Iowa and New Hampshire matter so much. No arguement there. HOWEVER, Iowa does force the candidates to actually meet small groups of people and talk to them. Instead of just big, carefully scripted rally's, etc. Its noticeable that that is where Hilary was least effective- the small gatherings do NOT work for her.

[CowboyPrincess]

Even though I think Guiliani tries to live too much off his few hours of fame in 2001, I would probably vote for him if I were Republican as he supports women's rights to choose for themselves.


I'm getting ready for work and don't have time to respond to your whole post, but your wording of something really caught me off guard and I needed to respond to it before I left......


I think we could all agree that he has a "few hours of fame" that none of us would want or wish on anyone else.

I went to NYC in November and I gotta tell ya... 6 1/2 yrs later they are still shell shocked. It amazed me how a loud noise could make a entire group of people jump. So I'm not surprised that 911 comes up so much for Guilliani.

Besides... his "few hrs" wasn't that. He spent days, weeks, months and years dealing with the after effect of what happened there.... stayed on site for several days...viewing the dead, visiting grieving families, attending services, grieving over the loss of people that were close to him, being the strong one for everyone else. And lets not forget that he nearly became a statistic of that day too.

Though I don't think that tragedy should be his entire platform for why he is right for the job, I do think what happened there has changed him and made him more determined than the other candidates to make sure it never happens again.

[CowboyPrincess]

Why? This is politics. Stranger things have happened.:)

I think Gravel will make a surge and win it!

Hey Ben! How the heck you been, ben? :)

[CanadianCowboysFan]

From what I understood based on something I heard from some talking head is that Guiliani really didn't spend much time at ground zero and many of the workers there really didn't think he helped the situation.

It might have changed him but he rarely goes more than 5 minutes in a speech without mentioning it.

Maybe it is just me but shouldn't someone who wants to be President be more than a former mayor of a city, albeit the largest in the country?

He has even less foreign affairs experience than Obama, has never run for national office, not even state office.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Our election process is about as screwed up as our justice system. Or our Federal government. State Government. hmm. I do see a trend there.

Its totally bizarre that Iowa and New Hampshire matter so much. No arguement there. HOWEVER, Iowa does force the candidates to actually meet small groups of people and talk to them. Instead of just big, carefully scripted rally's, etc. Its noticeable that that is where Hilary was least effective- the small gatherings do NOT work for her.

It pains me to no end to agree with Bumfard, but you are right. Hillary is not a warm individual, she gives off cold fish vibes. Obama reminds me of Bill in that he is perfect with small groups. Face it, the man has charisma.

That is why Bush Jr "won" the last two elections, he has more likeability than Gore and Kerry. Had he been up against Bill, Clinton would have smoked his ***.

Hell, Bill could come back now, take over for Hillary and be guaranteed the Presidency.

[Cajuncowboy]

For goodness sake.

I go away for a few months and come back to find that nothing has changed.

Trick is still being scolded for calling Hillary what she is.... a lying flip flopping lezbo - sorry I expanded on that just a tad...But I am woman so I'm allowed to say that about another woman :D
BP is still playing the fence
Danny White is still trying to goat Cajun ...
Cajun is still trying to turn ConcordCowboy into a Republican
Eric_Boyer is still Eric_Boyer
And we still have a Canadian that is still trying to tell us how backwards he thinks our Election process is.

Well then... I guess I have no other choice then... I'm just gonna have to come back and really stir up the pot... :laugh1:

LET THE GAMES BEGIN


BTW - I was tickled pink that Huckabee and Obama came in first.

I think they are both a breathe of fresh air. Clinton, Edwards, McCain and all the rest of the constantly rotating candidates are getting really stale. EVERY FOUR YEARS WE HEAR THE SAME OLD CRAP FROM THEM.

Do I think Either of them have a chance.... Huckabee - YES. Obama - NO. I have nothing against Obama and I think he is a bright young man. I just think there are still too many people out there that are bigoted enough to make sure he doesn't get the nod.

LOL! I'd just be happy to see Concord turn into a moderate leftist. :D

Nice to see ya back in the PZ.

[Bizwah]

As for Huckabee, no way I could vote for a guy who says evolution isn't proven and who says he is a creationist.

:laugh2:

It's so funny how people are different.

That's one of his biggest selling points to me.

To each their own I guess....

[Cajuncowboy]

:laugh2:

It's so funny how people are different.

That's one of his biggest selling points to me.

To each their own I guess....

:bow:

Ain't that the truth?!

[CowboyPrincess]

From what I understood based on something I heard from some talking head is that Guiliani really didn't spend much time at ground zero and many of the workers there really didn't think he helped the situation.

It might have changed him but he rarely goes more than 5 minutes in a speech without mentioning it.

Maybe it is just me but shouldn't someone who wants to be President be more than a former mayor of a city, albeit the largest in the country?

He has even less foreign affairs experience than Obama, has never run for national office, not even state office.

I would rather have some poor blue collar person (ie: trash collector, construction worker, farmer) that is honest, trustworthy and intelligent in world affairs as president than some blow hard jackarse mayor; governor; senator or congressman that wouldn't know honesty or the truth if it slapped his/her momma in the face.