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01-16-2008, 01:47 PM

The deadline for underclassmen to declare for the NFL draft has come and gone. Now that we know who's staying and who's going, it's time for Scouts Inc.'s second mock draft. My first-round projection features 13 juniors, including No. 1 overall prospect Darren McFadden, who is not the No. 1 overall pick despite being far and away the best pro prospect available this year. The top two picks in this version of the mock draft are defensive linemen and an offensive lineman comes in at No. 5 overall. Furthermore, those three are among a group of 12 linemen from both sides of the ball who project as first-rounders. Much will change between now and the draft in April, but here is how I see things shaking down at this early juncture:
Note: * denotes underclassman; ** denotes teams that will decide draft order by coin flip; *** denotes teams that could change position depending on playoff results

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/mia.gif 1. Miami Dolphins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=mia)

Record: 1-15
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: MLB, OT, G, DT, CB, QB
Projected pick: Glenn Dorsey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11996), DT, LSU
Dorsey's dominant performance against Ohio State in the BCS title game was a not-so-subtle reminder of his rare abilities. The 6-foot-1, 310-pounder was back to his disruptive ways thanks to a nearly five-week layoff that allowed him to rest a nagging knee injury originally suffered on a cheap shot in the Auburn game. That said, Bill Parcells, the Dolphins new VP of football operations, will make decisions on coaches, schemes and veteran personnel between now and the draft that could steer the team in a different direction. Dorsey is strong enough to adjust to a 3-4 defensive scheme, but it wouldn't play to his strengths as a penetrating interior force. It wouldn't be cost effective for Miami to spend No. 1 money on an interior lineman in that defensive scheme, either, so OT Jake Long and DE Chris Long are also options. Stay tuned.

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Record: 3-13
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: CB, DE, G, OT, OLB
Projected pick: Chris Long (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11845), DE, Virginia
The season-ending injury to perennial Pro Bowl OT Orlando Pace and the Rams' overall poor play along the offensive line this season make OT Jake Long a possibility with this pick. But assuming Pace returns to form in 2008, the Rams have a much bigger need along the interior of their offensive line, which can be addressed in free agency or in later rounds. Don't be surprised if St. Louis goes with the other Long here; Chris is not a prototypical edge rusher but is still a dominant playmaker with rare versatility and a motor that never quits. The Rams could solidify their defensive line for years to come by following 2007 first-round DT Adam Carriker with Long this season.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/atl.gif 3. Atlanta Falcons** (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=atl)

Record: 4-12
Scouts Inc.'s three biggest needs: QB, OT, DT, RB, S
Projected pick: Matt Ryan (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11586), QB, Boston College
This match is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. Ryan is the clear-cut No. 1 quarterback prospect in the 2008 class. In addition to solidifying the future of the all-important position for the Falcons, Ryan has the intangibles and character to help the franchise rebuild its tarnished image.

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Record: 4-12
Scouts Inc.'s three biggest needs: OT, DT, WR, DE, RB
Projected pick: Darren McFadden (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=12135&draftyear=2008)*, RB, Arkansas
Running back isn't quite a pressing need, but McFadden is a rare talent and an unbelievable value if he slips to the Raiders here. If the team isn't high on McFadden, though, Oakland could use this pick to fill a hole along the offensive or defensive lines. It should also be noted that the Raiders are financially strapped and will not want to dish out top-five money one year after selecting QB JaMarcus Russell with the top overall pick. So, if McFadden is still on the board, don't count out the possibility of a blockbuster trade by owner Al Davis. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, an Arkansas alum, would certainly listen to offers.

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Record: 4-12
Scouts Inc.'s three biggest needs: OT, DE, C, WR, CB
Projected pick: Jake Long (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12044), OT, Michigan
Quarterback is still a question mark, but the Chiefs' No. 1 priority this offseason should be solidifying their offensive front. Long is unquestionably the most dominant offensive lineman in the 2008 class and could help Kansas City achieve that goal in a hurry. He has the versatility to play either right or left tackle, and his combination of size, technique, athletic ability and a mean streak would improve the Chiefs' line almost immediately.

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Record: 4-12
Scouts Inc.'s three biggest needs: WR, NT, ILB, G, OLB
Projected pick: Vernon Gholston (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12144)*, DE, Ohio State
This seems a bit high right now for Gholston, who flashes top-10 talent in many games (see: three sacks against Michigan) but disappears in too many others. Don't be surprised, however, if he works his way into the top-10 mix by the time April rolls around. Gholston is the best edge-rushing prospect in the class and we all know the premium NFL teams place on those players. He would be an excellent addition at rush linebacker for a Jets defense that is in need of some perimeter heat out of its 3-4 front.

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Record: 16-0
Scouts Inc.'s three biggest needs: ILB, CB, OLB, OL depth
Projected pick: Mike Jenkins (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11730), CB, South Florida
The Patriots would like to inject some youth at inside linebacker, but there isn't a player at that position worth selecting this high now that James Laurinaitis (Ohio State) and Rey Maualuga (USC) are both returning to school next fall. The next priority is to find a replacement for CB Asante Samuel, a free agent who can't be franchised for a second consecutive year, and Jenkins is currently the top-rated cornerback in a weak 2008 crop. His combination of size, speed and athleticism is outstanding and his recognition skills improved each season. Jenkins also brings versatility to the table; he can play some safety and also chip in on returns.

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Record: 5-11
Scouts Inc.'s three biggest needs: CB, QB, OLB, DE, OT
Projected pick: Brian Brohm (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12009), QB, Louisville
Baltimore hopes this pick puts an end to its seemingly endless search for a franchise quarterback. There's no such thing as a "can't-miss" prospect in the NFL draft, especially at quarterback, and although Brohm is hardly an exception to the rule, he does possess the size, accuracy, pocket presence, intelligence and work ethic to thrive at the next level.

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Record: 7-9
Scouts Inc.'s three biggest needs: DT, LB, OT, DE, TE
Projected pick: Sedrick Ellis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11738), DT, USC
The Bengals have a big need for help along the interior of the defense and Ellis is a quick, tough and relentless defensive tackle. He has the potential to disrupt plays in the backfield with his explosive first step and can occupy blockers, which would make the Bengals' entire front seven better.

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Record: 7-9
Scouts Inc.'s three biggest needs: CB, DT, MLB, TE, OLB
Projected pick: Kentwan Balmer (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12118), DT, North Carolina
This is admittedly a bit of a reach, but unfortunately for the Saints this appears to be the area where the elite talent pool runs dry. Laurinaitis and CB Malcolm Jenkins returning to Ohio State could end up affecting the Saints more than any other team in the draft. Cornerback and defensive tackle are New Orleans' biggest need areas and Balmer is the best available prospect at either position. Although Balmer flashes top-10 potential at times, he also could turn out to be another bust in the mold of Jonathan Sullivan, who New Orleans selected sixth overall in 2003 but traded away in 2006 after he failed to live up to his potential.

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Record: 7-9
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: TE, CB, WR, LB, DT
Projected pick: DeSean Jackson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=12139&draftyear=2008)*, WR, California
Jackson could join forces with former Cal teammate and current Bills RB Marshawn Lynch to give Buffalo one of the most exciting young offensive skill groups in the NFL. Jackson still has room to improve as a route-runner and he must get stronger in order to endure a 16-game NFL schedule. Much like Ted Ginn Jr. (No. 9 overall to Miami last season), however, Jackson's home run ability after the catch, on vertical routes and returning punts will be too tempting for a team with a top-15 draft pick to pass on.

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Record: 7-9
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: OT, DT, S, MLB, G
Projected pick: Ryan Clady (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12138)*, OT, Boise State
Clady is still improving his strength but he possesses impressive feet to go along with his enormous wingspan and huge frame. He would be an ideal fit in Denver's zone-blocking scheme.

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Record: 7-9
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: QB, WR, DE, OLB, OT
Projected pick: Calais Campbell (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12136)*, DE, Miami
It would be tough to pass on a potential future franchise quarterback in Andre' Woodson, but I get the sense that coach John Fox is more worried about the immediate future. Instead of drafting a young signal-caller who will need time to develop, look for the Panthers to bring in veteran competition for Matt Moore, who showed some signs of potential late in the season. Drafting an end like Campbell, who could make an immediate contribution, seems more prudent for Fox; Mike Rucker is expected to retire and Julius Peppers disappeared in 2007.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/chi.gif 14. Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi)

Record: 7-9
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: QB, OT, DT, G, RB
Projected pick: Andre' Woodson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11985), QB, Kentucky
Teams will be concerned about Woodson's occasional lapses in decision-making and lack of mobility, but he possesses the size, arm strength and accuracy as a passer to develop into a good starter in the NFL. The Bears will likely consider themselves fortunate if Woodson falls to them at pick No. 14 overall, given the quarterback issues that have plagued the team in recent seasons.

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Record: 7-9
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: OT, G, CB, S, DE
Projected pick: Aqib Talib (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12159)*, CB, Kansas
The Lions will be selecting outside of the top 10 for the first time since 2001 and the trick is to find quality players this far down the line. The Lions' secondary is undermanned and would welcome the services of Talib; he is a versatile, fluid athlete with excellent size and ball skills. His elite athleticism was on display when returned an interception 100 yards for a touchdown this season, and Talib also saw some snaps on offense.

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Record: 8-8
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: OLB, CB, TE, RB, DE
Projected pick: Jonathan Stewart (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12151)*, RB, Oregon
The Cardinals have more pressing needs on the other side of the ball -- like defensive tackle and cornerback -- but there isn't a player available at either position who is as valuable as Stewart. He has the speed to provide a big-play element that is missing in the Cardinals' rushing attack while splitting carries with Edgerrin James early in his career. Stewart also could offer a boost as a kickoff returner.

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Record: 8-8
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: DE, WR, S, QB, TE
Projected pick: Derrick Harvey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12137)*, DE, Florida
Believe it or not, Minnesota is still in the market for a pass-rushing defensive end despite investing recent back-to-back first-round picks in Kenechi Udeze (2004) and Erasmus James (2005). Harvey isn't quite as explosive as former teammate Jarvis Moss (first round to Denver last season), but he is more naturally athletic and if groomed properly should become a more complete player in the NFL.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/hou.gif 18. Houston Texans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou)

Record: 5-7
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: CB, G, WR, S, OT
Projected pick: Kenny Phillips (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12142)*, S, Miami
The Texans boast arguably the best young defensive line in the NFL thanks to former first-round picks DE Mario Williams (2006) and DT Amobi Okoye (2007), and now they need a ball hawk in the secondary who can capitalize when that line forces bad throws from opposing quarterbacks. Phillips could be the right man for the job. He needs good coaching to improve his consistency, but there isn't a defensive back in this year's class who can stack up with Phillips' overall blend of natural physical tools.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/phi.gif 19. Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=phi)

Record: 9-7
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: OT, S, WR, LB, TE
Projected pick: Malcolm Kelly (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12143)*, WR, Oklahoma
Current Eagles OTs Jon Runyan and William Thomas aren't getting any younger, so Jeffrey Otah (Pittsburgh) and Michael Oher (Mississippi) are possibilities here. However, the Eagles are still in search of a big-play threat at wide receiver and Kelly could finally be the answer. Unlike most big receivers, he's a smooth route-runner who knows how to separate from man-to-man coverage. Kelly also might have the strongest hands of any receiver in this year's class.

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Record: 9-7
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: OT, WR OLB, CB, QB
Projected pick: Sam Baker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11736), OT, USC
Cornerback is also an area of need but Baker would be a steal this late in the first round. He suffered through an injury-plagued senior season and he still needs to get stronger, but no tackle in the 2008 is better equipped athletically to step in immediately and improve the pass-blocking situation for coach Jon Gruden's West Coast offense.

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Record: 9-7
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: WR, DE, S, OT, CB
Projected pick: Limas Sweed (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11774), WR, Texas
The Redskins' top priority this offseason is to add a playmaking receiver to the roster. There projects to be a run of wide receivers in the bottom half of the first round before the shallow talent pool dries up and if the Redskins don't get involved here they're likely to get shut out of the wide receiver market. Sweed could become one of the steals of this year's draft; he possesses top-10 talent but will no doubt be undervalued due to a wrist injury that cut short his senior season but should have no long-term affects on his pass-catching ability.

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Record: 13-3
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: CB, WR, OT, ILB, RB
Projected pick: Mario Manningham (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12156)*, WR, Michigan
Manningham is an underrated talent who could be special at the next level if he keeps his head on straight. With his good deep speed it wouldn't take Manningham long to take over Terry Glenn's role in the Dallas offense as the vertical threat opposite Terrell Owens. However, Manningham needs to get stronger in order to deal with physical press coverage.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/pit.gif 23. Pittsburgh Steelers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=pit)

Record: 10-6
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: OT. C, DE, G, RB
Projected pick: Jeffrey Otah (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11680), OT, Pittsburgh
The Steelers could use two of their first three picks on offensive linemen. They have bigger holes to fill inside at center and guard, but with his combination of size and skills Otah is far and away the best lineman available in this scenario. G Roy Schuening (Oregon State) and C John Sullivan (Notre Dame) could also become Steelers in later rounds.

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Record: 10-6
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: WR, CB, TE, WR, OL
Projected pick: Early Doucet (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11997), WR, LSU
Considering the Pacman Jones fallout, it wouldn't be surprising to see Tennessee pass on the more naturally gifted James Hardy, who has off-field baggage. The Titans need to draft a legitimate weapon for QB Vince Young to target in the passing game, and although Doucet battled injury during his senior season, has the quickness and playmaking ability to help Young.

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Record: 10-6
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: OT, DT, RB, TE, G
Projected pick: Rashard Mendenhall (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12172)*, RB, Illinois
It is unlikely that current Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander will ever return to his 2005 MVP form, and Maurice Morris has proven to be most effective in a complementary role. This year's crop of running backs is unusually deep, but Seattle might not want to wait; Mendenhall is an underrated receiver, has limited wear on his tires and is coming off a very impressive showing against the speedy USC defense in the Rose Bowl.

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Record: 10-6
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: OLB, CB, S, OT, DT
Projected pick: Keith Rivers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11737), OLB, USC
The Giants are in need of a legitimate upgrade at linebacker and Rivers is instinctive and athletic enough to contribute immediately on the weak side. Arkansas RB Felix Jones is another possibility here; his world-class speed makes him an ideal complement to current Giants power back Brandon Jacobs. Jones also can add value as a big-play threat as a receiver and in the return game, so keep an eye on this selection.

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Record: 11-5
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: WR, DE, SS, CB
Projected pick: Quentin Groves (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11565), DE, Auburn
The Jaguars should use this pick on the best available pass-rusher. Although Groves struggled through an injury-riddled senior season, there isn't an edge rusher in the 2008 class with better top-end speed. His stock is likely to soar following what should be impressive showings at the combine and individual workouts.

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Record: 11-5
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: G, OT, NT, FB, RB
Projected pick: Dan Connor (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12170), MLB, Penn State
Connor is a versatile prospect who spent most of his collegiate career at outside linebacker before moving inside as a senior. Similar to former teammate Paul Posluszny (second round to Buffalo last season), Connor is a bit overrated at this early point in the draft process. Regardless, he's athletic and tough enough to warrant late-first round consideration from a team like the Chargers, who are in need of an upgrade at inside linebacker.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/dal.gif 29. Dallas Cowboys (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=dal)

Record: 13-3
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: CB, WR, OT, ILB, RB
Projected pick: Leodis McKelvin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11805&draftyear=2008), CB, Troy
After nabbing a vertical threat at wide receiver five picks earlier in the person of Manningham, Dallas can take a chance on a potential shutdown cornerback in McKelvin. He has excellent speed and can also be a contributor in the return game, and McKelvin held his own against big-time competition this season.

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Record: 5-11
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: WR, OT, OLB, DE, QB
Projected pick: James Hardy (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12158)*, WR, Indiana
The 49ers need a playmaker at wide receiver to take the attention away from TE Vernon Davis and some pressure off QB Alex Smith. And although Hardy comes with some baggage and he needs some polishing, no receiver in this class possesses a more imposing combination of size and natural athleticism.

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Record: 13-3
Scouts Inc.'s biggest needs: OT, S, CB, TE, P
Projected pick: Fred Davis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11742), TE, USC
Former first-round pick Bubba Franks never developed into a difference-maker in the passing game and his career is on the steady decline. Davis emerged as the Trojans' go-to-receiver with 62 receptions as a senior, finally getting a chance to showcase his outstanding athletic ability. Packers QB Brett Favre would certainly welcome the addition of a tight end like Davis, who can stretch the seam and generate yards after the catch.

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Record: 16-0
Scouts Inc.'s three biggest needs: ILB, CB, OLB, OL depth
Projected pick: Pick forfeited.
The Patriots forfeit this pick as part of the penalty handed down for illegally taping Jets coaches from the sideline in Week 1.

Todd McShay is the director of college football scouting for Scouts Inc. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/scouts/index) He has been evaluating prospects for the NFL draft since 1998.

DWHITE11

01-16-2008, 01:58 PM

I'd be more than happy with those 2 players

theogt

01-16-2008, 02:02 PM

This is one of the weakest classes of WRs and he has 5 going in the first round. Not likely.

superpunk

01-16-2008, 02:05 PM

iceberg

01-16-2008, 02:07 PM

I think our biggest need is at DB - and I would think that gets addressed with our first pick.

I also think I would rather draft a CB from the PAC-10 (Cason?) than one from Troy (unless that guy is the troof, which I have no idea). Maybe this draft doesn't include certain players for some reason.

no problem with CB but in this one, no CB is taken between picks. cason the one you'd want from the pac-10? who else? just curious so i know who to keep an eye on.

theogt

01-16-2008, 02:09 PM

I think our biggest need is at DB - and I would think that gets addressed with our first pick.

I also think I would rather draft a CB from the PAC-10 (Cason?) than one from Troy (unless that guy is the troof, which I have no idea). Maybe this draft doesn't include certain players for some reason.I never saw the guy, but everything I keep researching on the guy says he's the truth.

Really, the only knock is that he's slightly raw. Which is fine considering he'd spend the 1st year as a nickel corner.

Chocolate Lab

01-16-2008, 02:09 PM

This is one of the weakest classes of WRs and he has 5 going in the first round. Not likely.

Yeah, but McShay isn't the brightest bulb.

Depends on FA, of course, but I wish we could get a RB like Stewart.

IMO, this draft is weak overall anyway.

Kangaroo

01-16-2008, 02:11 PM

From the Big 12 this guy is one to watch Aqib Talib (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12159)*, CB, Kansas

He has Detroit at 15 but I do not credit Matt Millen as being smart enough to draft him

BigWillie

01-16-2008, 02:11 PM

I'd run my head thru a glass window if we drafted Manningham. Our WR's already have problems with the dropsies and now we want to compound it.

Personally, I am curious as to how Earl Bennett will run. If that guy can even run a 4.5, I think he may be the best WR in this draft. Catches dang near everything, great route runner, good blocker. The only downside with him is his speed.

I'm also high on Reggie Smith because of his versatility. Ability to play CB/S/PR/KR, he can do it all and does it at a high level. Should time well, so that won't be a problem, either.

Chocolate Lab

01-16-2008, 02:14 PM

I'm also high on Reggie Smith because of his versatility. Ability to play CB/S/PR/KR, he can do it all and does it at a high level. Should time well, so that won't be a problem, either.

Without looking it up, he's the OU corner, right? I do like him.

And what do you guys think about Hardy at WR? I know he's super tall and obviously played on an outmanned team -- don't know about this "baggage" McShay mentions.

CrazyCowboy

01-16-2008, 02:16 PM

what a year for a weak draft at the position of need for us.

superpunk

01-16-2008, 02:17 PM

I never saw the guy, but everything I keep researching on the guy says he's the truth.

Really, the only knock is that he's slightly raw. Which is fine considering he'd spend the 1st year as a nickel corner.

Phenomenal athlete, second team all-american, maybe also contribute on ST. That wouldn't be terrible. Wouldn't it be something if we went DB-DB? This guy and Cason, if both are available?

Would probably result in a trade down situation. But I could see it happening if we decided to part ways with Henry, which I'm starting to think of as a possibility.

From the Big 12 this guy is one to watch Aqib Talib (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12159)*, CB, Kansas

He has Detroit at 15 but I do not credit Matt Millen as being smart enough to draft him
I don't credit the rest of the NFL with being dumb enough to let Talib drop to 15. McShay is smoking something.

theogt

01-16-2008, 02:18 PM

Phenomenal athlete, second team all-american, maybe also contribute on ST. That wouldn't be terrible. Wouldn't it be something if we went DB-DB? This guy and Cason, if both are available?

Would probably result in a trade down situation. But I could see it happening if we decided to part ways with Henry, which I'm starting to think of as a possibility.I'm getting myself hyped about Mckelvin cause I think Cason is going around 15-20.

conner01

01-16-2008, 02:18 PM

i don't see cason dropping out of the 1st rnd.
mckelvin is a very good prospect
my thoughts would be
1a-mckelvin
1b- felix jones

khiladi

01-16-2008, 02:18 PM

We aren't going WR in the first-round of the draft, because Roy Williams is going to be here next year. Why would we draft a WR in the first round, when we can get a clear, proven big talent in this league who is on the trading block? We already signed Crayton to an extension and Stanback is going to play a significant role as well based upon general perception.

With that core, we have one of the biggest WR cores in the league.

Hostile

01-16-2008, 02:20 PM

windward

01-16-2008, 02:21 PM

JPM

01-16-2008, 02:21 PM

This is one of the weakest classes of WRs and he has 5 going in the first round. Not likely.
It's all poo until the combine, cause you just know a WR will run a great 40 and shoot up the draft boards. Troy Williamson.....

i don't see cason dropping out of the 1st rnd.
mckelvin is a very good prospect
my thoughts would be
1a-mckelvin
1b- felix jones
Cason isn't going to drop past 20, and I think if he runs a good 40 he won't drop past 15.
I like Felix, but I think taking him first round might be a risk.
I would so love OT Sam Baker, USC at 22 and CB Antoine Cason, Arizona at 29.

I don't know enough about McKelvin yet. I'd rather not go WR in round 1 this year, but I admit, I do like Manningham a lot.

Surprised Kevin Smith wasn't on the list. Especially over Mendenhall.
I wonder if J.Leman will last until our 2nd round pick ?????

iceberg

01-16-2008, 02:22 PM

I would so love OT Sam Baker, USC at 22 and CB Antoine Cason, Arizona at 29.

I don't know enough about McKelvin yet. I'd rather not go WR in round 1 this year, but I admit, I do like Manningham a lot.

Surprised Kevin Smith wasn't on the list. Especially over Mendenhall.

this is gonna be the fun time of the year when names start popping up from all over. i just wasn't aware a comic book artist (aka, silent bob) was in the draft! : )

Big Dakota

01-16-2008, 02:25 PM

MM is a HUGE reach @ #22.

Skinsmaniac

01-16-2008, 02:26 PM

I don't like the idea of picking a WR in the first round. It seems like there are more 1st round misses on WRs than any other position, except for perhaps QB.

khiladi

01-16-2008, 02:26 PM

If that comes to pass, then yes we should go CB AND RB.

And Detroit is obviously going defense. Wade won't have any problems packaging certain players on this defense, because many of them don't fit his style of play. They are left-overs from the BP era.

Hostile

01-16-2008, 02:26 PM

It's all poo until the combine, cause you just know a WR will run a great 40 and shoot up the draft boards. Troy Williamson.....

Cason isn't going to drop past 20, and I think if he runs a good 40 he won't drop past 15.
I like Felix, but I think taking him first round might be a risk.

I wonder if J.Leman will last until our 2nd round pick ?????You like Leman? He must not run a 4.58 then.

I thought he'd be at the tail end of round 1 or early round 2.

superpunk

01-16-2008, 02:26 PM

Leodis McKelvin punt return

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBZppozX2WE

iceberg

01-16-2008, 02:27 PM

Leodis McKelvin punt return

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBZppozX2WE

leodis would just be a hard name to take seriously. : )

theebs

01-16-2008, 02:28 PM

just because his name is leodis we should draft him.

McCordsville Cowboy

01-16-2008, 02:30 PM

I'd rather have Kenny Phillips..

Big Dakota

01-16-2008, 02:32 PM

Leman will be lucky to go in the late second early third. I really like the kid, but he'll have to have a monster workout to go much higher than the late 2nd IMHO.

texbumthelife

01-16-2008, 02:35 PM

JPM

01-16-2008, 02:36 PM

You like Leman? He must not run a 4.58 then.

I thought he'd be at the tail end of round 1 or early round 2.
Yeah, I fall for a LB prospect every year. Willis, Carp, Ahmad Brooks to name 3. I think Akin can be replaced, and I was hoping Carp could do it but I don't know if he can.

just because his name is leodis we should draft him.
Oh most defiantly. Every time he makes any kind of play I'm screaming This is Sparta! at my TV.

Hostile

01-16-2008, 02:36 PM

If we get Williams than we will be forfeiting at least our first pick. Which I am actually all for but I highly doubt, even as thick headed as he is, Millen will move Williams.The Lions want established Defensive Veterans for Williams, not draft picks.

Hostile

01-16-2008, 02:38 PM

Yeah, I fall for a LB prospect every year. Willis, Carp, Ahmad Brooks to name 3. I think Akin can be replaced, and I was hoping Carp could do it but I don't know if he can.So do I, but I am playing homer this year.

The prospect I love is Arizona's Spencer Larsen, ILB, 6'3", 245.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=90PYMdDjJlo

Kid was the heart and soul of the Wildcats D this year.

texbumthelife

01-16-2008, 02:39 PM

The Lions want established Defensive Veterans for Williams, not draft picks.

I just cant picture the Lions moving Williams and even if they do I cant see us having a piece, which we would part with, that we could send them for him.

Maybe Roy Williams and a player like Marcus Spears...

I just dont see a package that we would offer with equal value.

texbumthelife

01-16-2008, 02:40 PM

So do I, but I am playing homer this year.

The prospect I love is Arizona's Spencer Larsen, ILB, 6'3", 245.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=90PYMdDjJlo

Kid was the heart and soul of the Wildcats D this year.

That is a kid I would love to get as well! I think we may have to trade up in the second to get him though.

utrunner07

01-16-2008, 02:41 PM

I could see Jerry trading for RW, picking up a Corner in FA (perhaps Samuels if $ is right) and then packiging our 1st rounders, 2cnd and 3rd, and possibly Marion Barber for Mcfadden.

He has had a crazy desperate look in his eyes and sound in his voice as of late.

texbumthelife

01-16-2008, 02:44 PM

If Jerry goes after Samuel then I think other things would fall into play.

Roy Williams gets traded
Hamlin moves to SS
Henry moves to FS or gets traded

I just think without moving one of our other DB there is far too much money tied up back there already to go after someone like Samuel.

Canadian BoyzFan

01-16-2008, 02:45 PM

If we draft Manningham at 22 I will break **** (stuff).

JPM

01-16-2008, 02:47 PM

utrunner07

01-16-2008, 02:47 PM

If Jerry goes after Samuel then I think other things would fall into play.

Roy Williams gets traded

I agree that if he gets Samuel then other things are going to change but because of Roy W. contract I think he stays and we try to convert him into a LB. Just my thoughts, probably nothing more than wishful thanking.

Hostile

01-16-2008, 02:54 PM

BTW, in this video of the cats you get 2 Antoine Cason highlights.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cuv1oWXlpIs&feature=related

An INT at about 1:10, and a Punt Return at about 1:20 of the video.

You'll know why I crave him in the first.

Sam I Am

01-16-2008, 02:54 PM

I would be so pissed off if the Eagles grab Malcolm Kelly (though thats exactly who they need) and I would absolutely choke Jerry Jones if he drafts Manningham with the 22nd pick.

ringmaster

01-16-2008, 02:54 PM

I'm more intrigued with WR James Hardy, Indiana, than Manningham.

What do you guys think?

Hostile

01-16-2008, 02:55 PM

That is a kid I would love to get as well! I think we may have to trade up in the second to get him though.Right now, he is considered a 3rd rounder by most of the services. Not that their rankings matter.

Kangaroo

01-16-2008, 03:00 PM

We can give them maybe a Spears and a 2nd round draft pick or maybe Carpenter (who probably fir a 4-3 defense better)

The reason the Lions would do it is they have wr Roy wants out and he is FA next year and would have to franchise him. So they do the get what you can before he leaves

khiladi

01-16-2008, 03:06 PM

Sam I Am

01-16-2008, 03:15 PM

I'm more intrigued with WR James Hardy, Indiana, than Manningham.

What do you guys think?

I would rather take Reggie Smith (CB - OU) with the 22nd pick if Malcolm Kelly is gone. Of course I expect Malcolm Kelly, Aqib Talib, Mike Jenkins, and Kenny Phillips to be gone already.

theogt

01-16-2008, 03:16 PM

I'm more intrigued with WR James Hardy, Indiana, than Manningham.

What do you guys think?If he's really 6'7", I say avoid him like the plague.

mboy22

01-16-2008, 03:29 PM

I think most fans on here can agree that CB is priority #1 in this years draft, Reeves was ok, but in the end he just did not get it done, and it seems like Henry is good for the first couple of games, and then he gets hurt through midway of the season and comes back and is never the same, it seems to happen every year, so we need a CB.

I think we need a nice-sized WR to start getting ready for the future with our second pick. I don't know why people keep saying we need a speedster to Replace Terry Glenn, how about getting a big Wide Receiver that can replace Terrell Owens in a couple of years. He does only have one more year on his contract, and plus if Terrell get hurts or even if Terry gets hurt we can plug in that nice sized target for Tony Romo to hit going across the middle. Someone like Adarius Bowman, Limus Sweed, and Malcolm kelly would work just nicely.

In the second round we can get our backup RB there. This draft is so loaded with potential good running backs that surely there will be someone we can get with that second round pick.

conner01

01-16-2008, 03:41 PM

i like hardy
hard to figure were he will go. i've seen mocks of him in the late 1st and the early 2nd.

FCBarca

01-16-2008, 03:47 PM

I'd be more than happy with those 2 players

Same here and it appears that WR, CB and RB will likely be the early targets

Manningham definitely has a 'special' quality about him

mboy22

01-16-2008, 03:47 PM

Chocolate Lab

01-16-2008, 03:58 PM

I go to Oklahoma State and we played Indiana in our bowl game in which Hardy was in. Our defense was one of the worst defenses in college football last year and for the most part we shut Hardy down. I don't know that much about Hardy, but in that game he did not have a good day.

So what's the word around campus on Bowman? We know he got in trouble at NC, and I don't know of any big problems since. But what do you hear? Is he an okay guy? Because other than the questionable character, I like him.

mboy22

01-16-2008, 04:04 PM

Bowman has been a great leader on the field and off, and he seems to have cleaned up his act. He is awesome as a player and as a person. I really like him too, I watched him every game at Okstate and too me he will be the best WR in this years class. He has everything you look for in a WR at the next level. He is projected as a 2nd round pick only because of his speed, but not every great WR has great speed. He will be a good one in the NFL.

jterrell

01-16-2008, 04:06 PM

Prior ot free gency...WR and CB are top needs.

We will likely grab a RB in either round 2 or 3 unless a cheap option falls to us in free agency.

That player will be a part-timer to spell Marion. He doesn't have to be special, just smart enough to block for Romo and willing to run hard in limited touches.

WR:
DeSean Jackson is the one electric guy but is small and will probably be long gone.

Mario is an interesting study. Has some bad drops but also some tough catches and runs good routes. Is an explosive type but not a game breaker.

Early Doucet was banged up but is a guy with good hands and great quickness. Disappears too much but that could partly be because LSU has had so much friggin talent.

All those guys are potential second WRs. There isn't really any elite WR1s in the group.

CB:
Aqib Talib is the real deal. He'll be gone unless he runs slow 40s. I hope he does. Whatever he runs, he plays very fast.

Terrell Thomas is a typical California/Pac 10 type with athleticism galore but you question his heart. He missed a lot of time. I'd have to pass on him in favor of Devin Lowery. Smaller player with lower profile but better production and health.

Justin King is interesting. Small but speedy player. Could be a great fit here as a slot guy. Allow TNew to simply play the best WR on the other team instead of eating the slot guy so often. A supreme improvement in raw athleticism over Jacque Reeves.

RB:

Mike Hart, Kevin Lewis, Steve Slaton, Ray Rice and Jamaal Charles all interest me. Slaton would be wonderful imho.

The three players we select need to be able to help us in the return game in total. Ideally a RB who could return kickoffs and a WR or CB who could return punts. We need to add some occasional scoring punch in the ST. Improving over all team speed is also a good idea. With Terry Glenn and Tyson Thompson both on the shelf we were thin with raw speed.

I have never been a big fan of 40 times but we do need to address team speed in this draft. A guy like Crayton can be wide open, but he is going to get caught from behind. We need explosion and T.O. can't provide it forever.

A late round guy to look at is Danny Amendola. He was Wes Welker's Tech roommate and is the same type of small, tough, quick player with good hands.
Amendola is not as good as Wes, but he would be a solid depth guy who can actually get open and catch passes. He would return punts at least as effectively as Patrick Crayton imho without risking a starter.

Chocolate Lab

01-16-2008, 04:08 PM

giantfan1232

01-16-2008, 04:10 PM

Alright, do you really need another WR when you can get Ocho-Cinco in the offseason? I don't see Manningham as a great NFL talent.

utrunner07

01-16-2008, 04:11 PM

utrunner07

01-16-2008, 04:12 PM

Alright, do you really need another WR when you can get Ocho-Cinco in the offseason? I don't see Manningham as a great NFL talent.

No way would I want him...give me RW or a draft pick....I tend to agree with you on Manningham though.

cboyd

01-16-2008, 04:12 PM

Bowman is a beast here are some highlights of the very underated Bowman

www.Bowman12.com (http://www.Bowman12.com)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSXZLRwQxTc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIySCyAAFfE

superpunk

01-16-2008, 04:14 PM

Anyone see the article in the DMN this morning discussing that Marion Barber may be wanted elsewhere and if taken would warrant a 1st round picK? If someone wants to give us a 1st round pick for Barber I say take it. With 3 first round picks we package 2 + second round next year and pick up McFadden. You know Jerry will do it. It would be great to have Romo, McFadden and To. Youd still be able to get a CB in first round and WR in second round, to go along with RW...

ah I love the offseason draft dreams :)

I'm at the point where I don't want to lose Marion at any cost. Do you really want to see him beating the crap out of people in another uniform?

He's proven that he deserves to be a starting back. Depending on what he does next year, we might find out that he's a franchise back, if he can handle the load. No reason to give that up, first and third or not.

utrunner07

01-16-2008, 04:21 PM

I'm at the point where I don't want to lose Marion at any cost. Do you really want to see him beating the crap out of people in another uniform?

He's proven that he deserves to be a starting back. Depending on what he does next year, we might find out that he's a franchise back, if he can handle the load. No reason to give that up, first and third or not.

I am pretty sure he will not be a franchise back, IMO. His running style is too hard for that (although I do love it). I think there was a very good reason he never started before the last game and if you'll notice in the last game in the second half he was not hitting people like in the first. Granted the Oline looked like it left at the half but he still would have normally knocked those guys around. He looked tired from the first half. I think if he is your starter all year by game 10 he is to tired. Now of course this is all speculation but if it turns out I am right you are not going to get that 1st and a 3rd for him...and that would be a huge loss. I think we have seen enough to know that he can not be a season long starter...with a 1st round we can pick up someone that will be.

khiladi

01-16-2008, 04:29 PM

I am pretty sure he will not be a franchise back, IMO. His running style is too hard for that (although I do love it). I think there was a very good reason he never started before the last game and if you'll notice in the last game in the second half he was not hitting people like in the first. Granted the Oline looked like it left at the half but he still would have normally knocked those guys around. He looked tired from the first half. I think if he is your starter all year by game 10 he is to tired. Now of course this is all speculation but if it turns out I am right you are not going to get that 1st and a 3rd for him...and that would be a huge loss. I think we have seen enough to know that he can not be a season long starter...with a 1st round we can pick up someone that will be.

Can we clone him at least? Don't let anybody know, and switch the two at half-time...

utrunner07

01-16-2008, 04:30 PM

Can we clone him at least? Don't let anybody know, and switch the two at half-time...

Id be all for that :)

JamaicaRector85

01-16-2008, 04:32 PM

i don't see cason dropping out of the 1st rnd.
mckelvin is a very good prospect
my thoughts would be
1a-mckelvin
1b- felix jones

I'm thinking the same thing, but I could see us waiting until the second round to pick our RB. Slaton, Rice, and Jones would be available according to McShay's draft

khiladi

01-16-2008, 04:38 PM

ONe point I think was interesting, that Troy stated, was in the run where Marion broke it for 30 or so yards, if it was Julius Jones, that would have been a TD. While I dispute the JJ point, because the guy is just awful, we do need a RB that is a threat to take it to the house when he touches the ball. Marion can get you yardage upto a certain point, but he isn't the type of back that you have to really pay attention to down-field, because he lacks speed.

I want a RB, where DBs are worried about the RB they are playing against, because they know, once he gets in the open, he's to fast for them to run down. That will allow us more down-field looks.

Marion is a great change-of-pace back, and like you said, he can't carry the load with that style of play for more than 5 years. That is the perfect complement to a McFadden or Felix Jones type of player.

Now that Sparano is gone, and hopefully Houck is in, we can at least get some running lanes, where a back can at least get to the second line of defense where he can use his speed to an advantage.

mboy22

01-16-2008, 04:44 PM

with the #29th pick we select http://www.bowman12.com/video.html

with the #22 pick we select http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsMNyu77Ld8

with the second round pick we select http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXT9udOTu20&feature=related

Big Dakota

01-16-2008, 04:50 PM

I am pretty sure he will not be a franchise back, IMO. His running style is too hard for that (although I do love it). I think there was a very good reason he never started before the last game and if you'll notice in the last game in the second half he was not hitting people like in the first. Granted the Oline looked like it left at the half but he still would have normally knocked those guys around. He looked tired from the first half. I think if he is your starter all year by game 10 he is to tired. Now of course this is all speculation but if it turns out I am right you are not going to get that 1st and a 3rd for him...and that would be a huge loss. I think we have seen enough to know that he can not be a season long starter...with a 1st round we can pick up someone that will be.

Hard like Earl Campbell or Walter Payton?

He ran the ball 4 freakin times in the 4th. Want to blame someone blame the play caller, ie. Jason Garrett.

utrunner07

01-16-2008, 05:15 PM

Hard like Earl Campbell or Walter Payton?

He ran the ball 4 freakin times in the 4th. Want to blame someone blame the play caller, ie. Jason Garrett.

Never saw either of them play....so I don't know. Barber also lacks speed, something I don't think either of those lacked, from what I have heard. Remember how Barber got caught from behind several times this season when most other backs run it to the house? Just saying, if there is a way we ca upgrade from Barber I think now would be the best time to try and do so.

giantfan1232

01-16-2008, 05:28 PM

Also, after watching Ray Rice for a few years in Rutgers and he will not be a great back in the NFL IMO.

FuzzyLumpkins

01-16-2008, 05:33 PM

I want Jonathan Stewart.

FuzzyLumpkins

01-16-2008, 05:35 PM

Hard like Earl Campbell or Walter Payton?

He ran the ball 4 freakin times in the 4th. Want to blame someone blame the play caller, ie. Jason Garrett.

Yup Garrett spit the bit and abandoned a running game that was dominant for three quarters.

Mike Martz, Jr.

ThreeSportStar80

01-16-2008, 06:02 PM

I'd be happy with two players... I wouldn't take Manningham however because I believe there are WRs to be had later on in the draft. I would rather see them pick a guy like RB Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart.

smarta5150

01-16-2008, 07:06 PM

SUPER

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k158/smarta5150/3e882.jpg

I would mess myself. :p::p::p::p::p:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k158/smarta5150/umosu.gif

theogt

01-16-2008, 07:13 PM

I would mess myself.Me too. Every time he dropped a pass.

ThreeSportStar80

01-16-2008, 07:20 PM

Me too. Every time he dropped a pass.

GREAT response! :laugh2:

Big Dakota

01-16-2008, 07:33 PM

Never saw either of them play....so I don't know. Barber also lacks speed, something I don't think either of those lacked, from what I have heard. Remember how Barber got caught from behind several times this season when most other backs run it to the house? Just saying, if there is a way we ca upgrade from Barber I think now would be the best time to try and do so.

Jerry signs Crayton but he won't sign MBIII? OK......

Yakuza Rich

01-16-2008, 07:37 PM

As dominant as Dorsey was this year, I doubt Miami takes him. I think Dorsey could adjust to the 3-4, but Parcells almost always goes after bigger players than Dorsey at that position. He's going to want a guy that is at least 6'4" tall and 300 pounds. I think he's itching to trade down and acquire picks. Of course Parcells is not the final decision maker thought (winkwink)

YAKUZA

texbumthelife

01-16-2008, 07:41 PM

smarta5150

01-16-2008, 07:47 PM

Me too. Every time he dropped a pass.

Braylon Edwards had the same "problem" as Mannigham had in college too.

I bet all those Brown fans hate having him :rolleyes:

Big Dakota

01-16-2008, 07:52 PM

Braylon Edwards had the same "problem" as Mannigham had in college too.

I bet all those Brown fans hate having him :rolleyes:

I'm not against MM in the 2nd, but no way he should be taken in the 1st.

utrunner07

01-16-2008, 07:54 PM

Jerry signs Crayton but he won't sign MBIII? OK......

I am pretty sure Jerry is regretting signing him now...don't think he is going to be to eager to sign anyone unless they are completely proven....

MichaelWinicki

01-16-2008, 07:54 PM

I don't care who we get where... as long as we get good value. I don't want a "2nd rounder" taken in the first round just because "we have too".

CB
RB
WR

We need to come away from the first day of the draft with those positions covered-- just no reaches. Take whoever has the highest grade that fills one of those needs.

Big Dakota

01-16-2008, 07:56 PM

smarta5150

01-16-2008, 07:57 PM

I'm not against MM in the 2nd, but no way he should be taken in the 1st.

I think others might agree with you but the Combine could sway some of you non-"believers" ;)

But hey, if he's a bust in the NFL everyone can laugh at me, won't be the 1st time.

Big Dakota

01-16-2008, 07:57 PM

I am pretty sure Jerry is regretting signing him now...don't think he is going to be to eager to sign anyone unless they are completely proven....

He will sign MBIII because he's a hell of a player.

TDHND

01-16-2008, 08:01 PM

i haven't heard of a lot of those guys

Biggems

01-16-2008, 08:18 PM

Big Dakota

01-16-2008, 08:21 PM

i would puke if the skins got Limas Sweed.......i hope the Titans draft him instead.

i would love to have our first day be this.....when it is all settled....and i would not complain at all

1 - CB Mike Jenkins
1 - WR Adarius Bowman
2 - RB Chris Johnson

then for day 2

3 - FB Owen Schmitt
4 - CB Chevis Jackson
5 - ILB Moffitt/Gatewood
6 - OLB Brandon Miller
7 - C Legursky

I'm not in favor of drafting a WR in the 1st, but i really like Bowman and the talent your first 4 players have is fantastic. I'd be thrilled to get 4 players like that.

brewers47

01-16-2008, 11:05 PM

I think our biggest need is at DB - and I would think that gets addressed with our first pick.

I also think I would rather draft a CB from the PAC-10 (Cason?) than one from Troy (unless that guy is the troof, which I have no idea). Maybe this draft doesn't include certain players for some reason.

Don't be knocking on Troy, I mean would you have rather had D-Ware or some crappy tweener from the Pac-10. Just because he wasnt in a fancy conference doesnt mean he isnt any good.

smarta5150

01-16-2008, 11:23 PM

Don't be knocking on Troy, I mean would you have rather had D-Ware or some crappy tweener from the Pac-10. Just because he wasnt in a fancy conference doesnt mean he isnt any good.

The conference hate... now you know what its like to be a Michigan fan as of late.

utrunner07

01-17-2008, 12:46 AM

He will sign MBIII because he's a hell of a player.

He wont sign him if he can get a 1st and a 3rd out of him...thats McFadden to Jerry...

Just because he is a hell of a player does not mean he will be signed. He needs to fit the team, IMO, Barber is not the best running back type for this team.

silverbear

01-17-2008, 02:07 AM

I never saw the guy, but everything I keep researching on the guy says he's the truth.

Really, the only knock is that he's slightly raw. Which is fine considering he'd spend the 1st year as a nickel corner.

The guy has WAY too many tackles for a cornerback, he's averaged like 5 tackles a game the last 2 years... that generally means that he's the type who allows completions in front of him, then makes the tackle...

Sounds just like Jacques Reeves, doesn't it?? In addition, he has very few interceptions for his career...

I'd be disgusted if the Boys draft Manningham and McKelvin...

Bob Sacamano

01-17-2008, 07:52 AM

stupid Todd

JPM

01-17-2008, 07:57 AM

i would puke if the skins got Limas Sweed.......i hope the Titans draft him instead.

i would love to have our first day be this.....when it is all settled....and i would not complain at all

1 - CB Mike Jenkins
1 - WR Adarius Bowman
2 - RB Chris Johnson

then for day 2

3 - FB Owen Schmitt
4 - CB Chevis Jackson
5 - ILB Moffitt/Gatewood
6 - OLB Brandon Miller
7 - C Legursky
*sighs* Dreams of Schmitt smashing Pierce in the jaw dance thru my head...

Sam I Am

01-17-2008, 08:04 AM

1 - CB Mike Jenkins
1 - WR Adarius Bowman
2 - RB Chris Johnson

Adarius Bowman is a stiff. He is about as fluid as a 2x4. A receivers fluidity is vital in the NFL. All you have to do is look at Bowman run routes and you can see that almost any NFL caliber corner would throw a blanket over him. His only asset is size. Even with size, you have to be able to get open.

superpunk

01-17-2008, 08:33 AM

Don't be knocking on Troy, I mean would you have rather had D-Ware or some crappy tweener from the Pac-10. Just because he wasnt in a fancy conference doesnt mean he isnt any good.
It's not exactly churning out NFL stars, that's all. Typically, conferences with better athletes produce better professionals. Conferences where power running is at a premium produce good offensive linemen. Conferences where speed is a premium produce good defenders. Just kind of goes that way. This guy would have to be one heck of an amazing athlete to be considered a nice first rounder out of Troy, I would think.

Kangaroo

01-17-2008, 09:56 AM

I am pretty sure Jerry is regretting signing him now...don't think he is going to be to eager to sign anyone unless they are completely proven....

One bad game and everyone freaks out. Crayton will go back inside to the slot where he is better utilized :bang2::bang2:

Yes he screwed the pooch in the playoffs time for him to bounce back. He is one of the reason we got to 13-3 so I am not going to over react now if he does that agin this next year then lynch him

DaBoys4Life

01-17-2008, 11:24 AM

Mario Mannigham is hype and doesn't show up in big games i'll pass. Desean Jackson going 11 is a joke.