Tony Dungy

[DaBoyz73]

I just saw on ESPNews that Tony will have a 4:30 pm press conference to announce_______________.

[sharph20]

That he has stepped down??? Did this barely become official or something?

[Hostile]

Prediction...he's staying.

[Maikeru-sama]

I think he is coming back.

Last week on the radio, he was very adamant during a Radio Interview that rumors of his demise originating on the Internet was quite premature.

[ryanbabs]

Prediction...he's staying.

Didn't he already move his family to Tampa? I could have sworn I heard this last week...

[DaBoyz73]

Didn't he already move his family to Tampa? I could have sworn I heard this last week...

Yes, that's correct.

[Bach]

It's MLK Jr day. I figured he'd be off work til tomorrow.

[iceberg]

It's MLK Jr day. I figured he'd be off work til tomorrow.

not quite sure how to take this one from you.

[Hostile]

It's MLK Jr day. I figured he'd be off work til tomorrow.True story. Every year since the NFL forced Arizona to approve the MLK Holiday or never host a Super Bowl I have called the NFL Offices on MLK Day. Every year their offices are open and every year I tell them they are hypocrites.

Guess what? They answered their phones this morning.

[Maikeru-sama]

not quite sure how to take this one from you.

Yeah, it is somewhat strange.

[DaBoyz73]

True story. Every year since the NFL forced Arizona to approve the MLK Holiday or never host a Super Bowl I have called the NFL Offices on MLK Day. Every year their offices are open and evey year I tell them they are hypocrites.

Guess what? They answered their phones this morning.

I guess it goes to show you that the NFL doesn't practice what they preach.....

[DaBoyz73]

Yeah, it is somewhat strange.

Ain't that the truth!

[Hostile]

I guess it goes to show you that the NFL doesn't practice what they preach.....Wade Wilson could have told you that after Bill Belicheck's fine and no games lost to suspension.

[IndianaCowboyFan]

True story. Every year since the NFL forced Arizona to approve the MLK Holiday or never host a Super Bowl I have called the NFL Offices on MLK Day. Every year their offices are open and every year I tell them they are hypocrites.

Guess what? They answered their phones this morning.

Almost nothing worse than hypocrites in positions of power.

[DaBoyz73]

Wade Wilson could have told you that after Bill Belicheck's fine and no games lost to suspension.

You're correct, and I have a major problem with the way that the NFL handled the cheating incident with Belicheat.

[Derinyar]

You're correct, and I have a major problem with the way that the NFL handled the cheating incident with Belicheat.

The patriots are the team of destiny. :puke:

[Bach]

True story. Every year since the NFL forced Arizona to approve the MLK Holiday or never host a Super Bowl I have called the NFL Offices on MLK Day. Every year their offices are open and every year I tell them they are hypocrites.

Guess what? They answered their phones this morning.

yeah, that is the height of hypocrisy.

[Encore]

According to ESPN Radio here in LA,

Jim Caldwell will also be at the press conference.

[sago1]

Let's be realistic. Commissioner works for the owners. It's one thing to get players to behave and punish them. It's something else to punish a head coach with some severity if it will upset the owner of the team whose won 3 SBs this decade. On the other hand, punishing a QB coach on America's team when he wasn't even employed by them when the incidents happen, and that team hasn't won a playoff in how many years, now that is a snap. How else do you explain the NFL taking away the Pats lowest pick but allowing them to keep the 49ers pick which was always bound to be higher then the Pats own. The fix was in on this whole charade even before the tapes were sent to the Commisioner's office.

[Sarge]

I'm not making a prediction one way or the other, but how many other coaches in the league hold press conferences to say they are not stepping down?

[Hostile]

According to ESPN Radio here in LA,

Jim Caldwell will also be at the press conference.Okay, I am probably wrong on my prediction. But I'm not going to change it.

[Bach]

Mystery solved:

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Colts coach Tony Dungy has decided to stay with the team for one more year, and then to hand the reins over to assistant head coach Jim Caldwell.

[DaBoyz73]

Let's be realistic. Commissioner works for the owners. It's one thing to get players to behave and punish them. It's something else to punish a head coach with some severity if it will upset the owner of the team whose won 3 SBs this decade. On the other hand, punishing a QB coach on America's team when he wasn't even employed by them when the incidents happen, and that team hasn't won a playoff in how many years, now that is a snap. How else do you explain the NFL taking away the Pats lowest pick but allowing them to keep the 49ers pick which was always bound to be higher then the Pats own. The fix was in on this whole charade even before the tapes were sent to the Commisioner's office.

I think you are correct in your analysis, but I have to believe that anytime the league can stick it to Jerry they will. Cheating is cheating regardless of who is doing it. And if the league commissioner does not have the b_lls to stand up for what's right he should not be in that position. Just my 2 cents!

[Sarge]

Mystery solved:

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Colts coach Tony Dungy has decided to stay with the team for one more year, and then to hand the reins over to assistant head coach Jim Caldwell.

Well........at least they are announcing there intentions............. ;)

[dalboy]

he going to retire. He wants to be clsoer to his son after what happend to his other one.

[Woods]

I'm not making a prediction one way or the other, but how many other coaches in the league hold press conferences to say they are not stepping down?

That's what I was thinking . . . .

[Mavs Man]

I guess it goes to show you that the NFL doesn't practice what they preach.....

:laugh2: And next after the break, dog bites man!

[AbeBeta]

Let's be realistic. Commissioner works for the owners. It's one thing to get players to behave and punish them. It's something else to punish a head coach with some severity if it will upset the owner of the team whose won 3 SBs this decade. On the other hand, punishing a QB coach on America's team when he wasn't even employed by them when the incidents happen, and that team hasn't won a playoff in how many years, now that is a snap. How else do you explain the NFL taking away the Pats lowest pick but allowing them to keep the 49ers pick which was always bound to be higher then the Pats own. The fix was in on this whole charade even before the tapes were sent to the Commisioner's office.

Wow. How long are you going to cry about this?

[kmd24]

True story. Every year since the NFL forced Arizona to approve the MLK Holiday or never host a Super Bowl I have called the NFL Offices on MLK Day. Every year their offices are open and every year I tell them they are hypocrites.

Guess what? They answered their phones this morning.

How does that make them hypocritical? There are a number of recognized national "holidays" that are not celebrated with a day off by private organizations.

Do you call the NFL in November to criticize them for being unpatriotic when games fall on Veterans Day?

[AbeBeta]

How does that make them hypocritical? There are a number of recognized national "holidays" that are not celebrated with a day off by private organizations.

Do you call the NFL in November to criticize them for being unpatriotic when games fall on Veterans Day?

Wow. Someone hates civil rights.

[Chocolate Lab]

I thought I already heard on the radio he was coming back. :confused:

[joseephuss]

True story. Every year since the NFL forced Arizona to approve the MLK Holiday or never host a Super Bowl I have called the NFL Offices on MLK Day. Every year their offices are open and every year I tell them they are hypocrites.

Guess what? They answered their phones this morning.

The NFL was probably just trying to find a way to not bring the SB to Arizona. They didn't figure that Arizona would actually call their bluff. They messed up.

[joseephuss]

Last week I kept hearing on call in radio shows how Jerry Jones was once again the bad guy because he is circumventing the Rooney rule. It was quite ridiculous what people were claiming considering that Garrett has not officially been offered to take over as head coach. Anything can happen. I wonder if the same will happen to the Colts. I doubt it.

[Biggems]

How does that make them hypocritical? There are a number of recognized national "holidays" that are not celebrated with a day off by private organizations.

Do you call the NFL in November to criticize them for being unpatriotic when games fall on Veterans Day?


Dude, you totally missed the whole point of the post.......

the NFL threatened no more SBs for Arizona unless they celebrated the holiday. The NFL has a ton of African American employees. It was looking to appease them.

You bring silly arguments that have no basis on the discussion.

[AbeBeta]

Last week I kept hearing on call in radio shows how Jerry Jones was once again the bad guy because he is circumventing the Rooney rule. It was quite ridiculous what people were claiming considering that Garrett has not officially been offered to take over as head coach. Anything can happen. I wonder if the same will happen to the Colts. I doubt it.

How exactly would the Colts be violating the Rooney rule which explicitly states that teams must interview a minority candidate. Jim Caldwell is tabbed to take over and, in case you haven't noticed, Caldwell is an African American.

The goal of the rule is to increase minority representation. Caldwell being hired would accomplish that.

Incidentally, another poster indicated and provided documentation that the Rooney Rule would NOT be violated if an assistant's contract EXPLICITLY (i.e., in his contract and filed with the league) stated that he would be the next head coach. The rule apparently allows for this sort of consideration, which I assume is to avoid a situation wherein a guy has to come for an interview that everyone knows will come to nothing (and before folks say that is currently the case, look at how these interview have benefited Mike Tomlin and, possibly Leslie Frazier).

[Chocolate Lab]

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080121/SPORTS03/80121040/0/SPORTS0601

[joseephuss]

How exactly would the Colts be violating the Rooney rule which explicitly states that teams must interview a minority candidate. Jim Caldwell is tabbed to take over and, in case you haven't noticed, Caldwell is an African American.

The goal of the rule is to increase minority representation. Caldwell being hired would accomplish that.

Incidentally, another poster indicated and provided documentation that the Rooney Rule would NOT be violated if an assistant's contract EXPLICITLY (i.e., in his contract and filed with the league) stated that he would be the next head coach. The rule apparently allows for this sort of consideration, which I assume is to avoid a situation wherein a guy has to come for an interview that everyone knows will come to nothing (and before folks say that is currently the case, look at how these interview have benefited Mike Tomlin and, possibly Leslie Frazier).

Oops. I was thinking of another assistant coach on the Colts staff who is white as being Jim Caldwell. Not my team, so I don't have every one of their coaches memorized. Heck, I still don't know all of the Cowboys coaches by appearance.

[Sarge]

Last week I kept hearing on call in radio shows how Jerry Jones was once again the bad guy because he is circumventing the Rooney rule. It was quite ridiculous what people were claiming considering that Garrett has not officially been offered to take over as head coach. Anything can happen. I wonder if the same will happen to the Colts. I doubt it.

Caldwell is an African-American.........:o:

edit - never mind - I see you already responded . . . carry on.

[kmd24]

Wow. Someone hates civil rights.

I don't hate civil rights. I just fail to see what is hypocritical about the situation. Recognizing a holiday and granting a day off on the holiday are distinct, and one does not preclude the other.

Only about 1/3 of private companies grant a day off on MLK Day. That doesn't mean those companies don't recognize or celebrate the day.

Not everyone understands syllogisms, I guess. Whatever - pedantic and boring, I suppose.

[Bob Sacamano]

Wow. Someone hates civil rights.

not really, he has a point

you can observe a holiday, yet not close everything down just because of it

[kmd24]

Dude, you totally missed the whole point of the post.......

the NFL threatened no more SBs for Arizona unless they celebrated the holiday. The NFL has a ton of African American employees. It was looking to appease them.

I understand all that.

You bring silly arguments that have no basis on the discussion.

I'm sorry you didn't understand my point.

[AbeBeta]

I don't hate civil rights. I just fail to see what is hypocritical about the situation. Recognizing a holiday and granting a day off on the holiday are distinct, and one does not preclude the other.

Only about 1/3 of private companies grant a day off on MLK Day. That doesn't mean those companies don't recognize or celebrate the day.

Not everyone understands syllogisms, I guess. Whatever - pedantic and boring, I suppose.

"Recognizing" for a state means that State employees have the day off and that state organizations are shut down. That's the meaning of a state holiday not saying "whoppdeedee, you've got a holiday!"

The "private business" argument is silly - many private businesses are open on holidays because that is when many people have an opportunity to shop for their services. Hardware stores, etc. do their best business on holiday weekends like this so it would be stupid for them to be closed.

[AbeBeta]

not really, he has a point

you can observe a holiday, yet not close everything down just because of it

actually his point is lame. but hey, thanks for posting.

[Bob Sacamano]

actually his point is lame. but hey, thanks for posting.

how is it lame? did you notice that not every business was shut-down today? are you telling me that they all don't observe the holiday? so is everyone supposed to stop everything, and take a pilgrimage to MLK's grave-stone to be officially observing MLK Day?

the NFL telling Arizona to observe the holiday, while they are open on that day, are 2, different things

unless you can give me proof that they too aren't observing it

[Bob Sacamano]

the Navy Exchange in our area was open today, I guess the Navy isn't honoring MLK day

and the NEX is a government subsidy to boot

[Bob Sacamano]

*abersonc swaying on the ropes*

catch your breath man, catch your breathe

[AbeBeta]

how is it lame? did you notice that not every business was shut-down today? are you telling me that they all don't observe the holiday? so is everyone supposed to stop everything, and take a pilgrimage to MLK's grave-stone to be officially observing MLK Day?

the NFL telling Arizona to observe the holiday, while they are open on that day, are 2, different things

unless you can give me proof that they too aren't observing it

No, what I'm saying is that you don't recognize a holiday in honor of the country's most influential civil rights proponent by "recognizing" it in a manner that falls short of how you "recognize" other national holidays.

Yes, let's honor MLK with a nice "here's a 2nd class holiday for you!"

All states have protocols for "state holidays" - Az was one of two states that failed to recognize the holiday and got slapped for it.

[Bob Sacamano]

No, what I'm saying is that you don't recognize a holiday in honor of the country's most influential civil rights proponent by "recognizing" it in a manner that falls short of how you "recognize" other national holidays.

Yes, let's honor MLK with a nice "here's a 2nd class holiday for you!"

All states have protocols for "state holidays" - Az was one of two states that failed to recognize the holiday and got slapped for it.

we recognize MLK such as we do President's Day

quit being a PC kid

[Hostile]

No, what I'm saying is that you don't recognize a holiday in honor of the country's most influential civil rights proponent by "recognizing" it in a manner that falls short of how you "recognize" other national holidays.

Yes, let's honor MLK with a nice "here's a 2nd class holiday for you!"

All states have protocols for "state holidays" - Az was one of two states that failed to recognize the holiday and got slapped for it.That isn't true. I live here.

[AbeBeta]

we recognize MLK such as we do President's Day

quit being a PC kid

I never said we didn't -- the issue was what AZ USED to do -- which was NOT recognize the holiday. Most states recognize a holiday by closing all state offices on that day. Az (and South Carolina) didn't recognize the holiday in any way shape or form -- that was the issue here.

Other posters brought up some sort of irrelevant theoretical way to celebrate a holiday by "recognizing" but not actually celebrating it by closing state offices.

[Bob Sacamano]

I never said we didn't -- the issue was what AZ USED to do -- which was NOT recognize the holiday. Most states recognize a holiday by closing all state offices on that day. Az (and South Carolina) didn't recognize the holiday in any way shape or form -- that was the issue here.

Other posters brought up some sort of irrelevant theoretical way to celebrate a holiday by "recognizing" but not actually celebrating it by closing state offices.


observing a holiday does not mean shutting everything down

[AbeBeta]

That isn't true. I live here.

OK -- your idiot governor failed to recognize it as a holiday and your voters strongly opposed that and voted to recognize it -- is that closer to the truth?

[kmd24]

"Recognizing" for a state means that State employees have the day off and that state organizations are shut down. That's the meaning of a state holiday not saying "whoppdeedee, you've got a holiday!"

The "private business" argument is silly - many private businesses are open on holidays because that is when many people have an opportunity to shop for their services. Hardware stores, etc. do their best business on holiday weekends like this so it would be stupid for them to be closed.

I'd agree that the NFL is hypocritical for working on MLK Day if the main issue was about granting a day off to a small percentage of Arizonans. But it wasn't. I don't understand why you or anyone thinks the day off - merely a by-product - matters. Bad at logic, I guess?

BTW, according to Wikipedia, the least likely corporations to grant a day off are factories and manufacturers, lower than even retail.

[AbeBeta]

observing a holiday does not mean shutting everything down

Official recognition of the holiday as a state is the issue -- as a practical matter, most states shut everything down on recognized holidays. They don't make distinctions between "shut down" and not shut down holidays.

and that bit you deleted, you know that was wrong, right?

[zrinkill]

Wow. Someone hates civil rights.

How does that mean he hates Civil Rights?

[Hostile]

OK -- your idiot governor failed to recognize it as a holiday and your voters strongly opposed that and voted to recognize it -- is that closer to the truth?No.

There were added provisions to the voting measures that Arizona voters did not like. When it came up for vote again without those provisions it passed.

I told you this once before. Remember?

[kmd24]

Other posters brought up some sort of irrelevant theoretical way to celebrate a holiday by "recognizing" but not actually celebrating it by closing state offices.

Since I am "other posters," I'd like to point out that I was talking about the NFL, not state offices. You are having a theoretical conversation, because you aren't talking about anything I said. Or do you think the NFL is a state office?

[Bob Sacamano]

Official recognition of the holiday as a state is the issue -- as a practical matter, most states shut everything down on recognized holidays. They don't make distinctions between "shut down" and not shut down holidays.

no, they don't

hospitals are still open, police are still on the street, service industries are open

nd that bit you deleted, you know that was wrong, right?

no ****, that's why I deleted it, unlike you, I care whether I post something wrong

still waiting on you to address why the Government doesn't close down their subsidaries on MLK Day

[Bob Sacamano]

Since I am "other posters," I'd like to point out that I was talking about the NFL, not state offices. You are having a theoretical conversation, because you aren't talking about anything I said. Or do you think the NFL is a state office?

that's what I'm trying to figure out

[AbeBeta]

No.

There were added provisions to the voting measures that Arizona voters did not like. When it came up for vote again without those provisions it passed.

I told you this once before. Remember?

But it was your governor overturning the holiday that started this business right?

[AbeBeta]

no, they don't

hospitals are still open, police are still on the street, service industries are open



no ****, that's why I deleted it, unlike you, I care whether I post something wrong

still waiting on you to address why the Government doesn't close down their subisdaries on MLK Day

Come on already - you know what I was talking about -- go to a state government office or university -- shut down -- you know they don't shut down essential services for any holiday.

We both know that there are somethings that ARE and somethings that AREN'T shut down on a holiday - if that is the "argument" you are trying to make then you are just being thick.

[Bob Sacamano]

Come on already - you know what I was talking about -- go to a state government office or university -- shut down -- you know they don't shut down essential services for any holiday.

We both know that there are somethings that ARE and somethings that AREN'T shut down on a holiday - if that is the "argument" you are trying to make then you are just being thick.

my argument is you don't have to shut-down everything to be observing a holiday

btw, when did 7-11 become an essential service industry?

[AbeBeta]

Since I am "other posters," I'd like to point out that I was talking about the NFL, not state offices. You are having a theoretical conversation, because you aren't talking about anything I said. Or do you think the NFL is a state office?

The NFL is not a state office -- however, if they say on the one hand "you have to recognize this holiday" while on the other hand not clearly recognizing it themselves then they are being hypocritical. Perhaps you could point to how they are recognizing the holiday as some evidence of their commitment?

[AbeBeta]

my argument is you don't have to shut-down everything to be observing a holiday

btw, when did 7-11 become an essential service industry?

BTW when did 7-11 become state run?

[Bob Sacamano]

BTW when did 7-11 become state run?

so I guess they aren't observing the holiday then

[AbeBeta]

so I guess they aren't observing the holiday then

again, lacking a point.

I'm going to bed now

[Bob Sacamano]

again, lacking a point.

I'm going to bed now

LOL you keep ignoring it

shutting everything down is not observing a holiday

[Bob Sacamano]

let me make this really simple for you abs

you observe a holiday, 1st by recognizing it, which AZ wasn't doing

[kmd24]

The NFL is not a state office -- however, if they say on the one hand "you have to recognize this holiday" while on the other hand not clearly recognizing it themselves then they are being hypocritical. Perhaps you could point to how they are recognizing the holiday as some evidence of their commitment?

No, I can't.

However, I don't consider the NFL hypocritical because they often honor the armed forces yet choose to play games and keep the offices open on Veteran's Day, another state and federal holiday.

I'm probably just misguided.