So it is ok for the Colts...

[zack]

to say that if Tony Dungy retires that they have Jim Caldwell waiting to replace him....interesting. Discuss....Yet we can't say that Jason Garrett is next in line?

[dallasfaniac]

to say that if Tony Dungy retires that they have Jim Caldwell waiting to replace him....interesting. Discuss....Yet we can't say that Jason Garrett is next in line?

Well, Caldwell does fulfill the Rooney Rule unlike Garrett. :D

[5Stars]

Well, Caldwell does fulfill the Rooney Rule unlike Garrett. :D


Is Caldwell black? Well, how many damn redheaded coaches are NFL Head coaches?

:laugh2: I hate all these brown/black/blonde haired coaches! We need a "Hair Color Rule" too!!

[DaBoyz73]

to say that if Tony Dungy retires that they have Jim Caldwell waiting to replace him....interesting. Discuss....Yet we can't say that Jason Garrett is next in line?

Well, Caldwell does fulfill the Rooney Rule unlike Garrett. :D

That's why I don't like the rule; I think the person that is hired for the head coaching position should be the best qualified canidate regardless of race.

[Yakuza Rich]

That's why I don't like the rule; I think the person that is hired for the head coaching position should be the best qualified canidate regardless of race.

Problem is that the players are inordinately black and the coaches are inordinately white.

I understand the idea behind the rule, but I think the rule has major flaws in it. The problem is that there is no easy solution.





YAKUZA

[BigDFan5]

Tony Dungy is a lame duck, he will be looking over his shoulder, he is just a puppet now blah blah fart blah ZZZZZZZZZZ

[irvin88]

Hopefully the Colts are forced to interview white guys !!!;)

[DaBoyz73]

Hopefully the Colts are forced to interview white guys !!!;)

This 2008, with that being said, an interview should not be based on the color of a persons skin but the person ability (job performance) should be the determining factor.

[HTownCowboysFan]

That's why I don't like the rule; I think the person that is hired for the head coaching position should be the best qualified canidate regardless of race.

The purpose is to get these coaches an oppertunity and their name out there. It's not affirmative action. Case in point the coach hired in Pitts last year. He was there only to meet the rule and he blew them away so they hired him.

[Zimmy Lives]

Hopefully the Colts are forced to interview white guys !!!;)

As well as Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders....

[DaBoyz73]

Problem is that the players are inordinately black and the coaches are inordinately white.

I understand the idea behind the rule, but I think the rule has major flaws in it. The problem is that there is no easy solution.





YAKUZA

I will agree with you, but there are good white and black coaches in the NFL and in the college ranks. While I understand why this rule was implemented I think the rule has been misused.

[AbeBeta]

This 2008, with that being said, an interview should not be based on the color of a persons skin but the person ability (job performance) should be the determining factor.

Sure. That's an ideal.

But over the years the league showed it clearly wasn't doing that which is exactly why this rule is in place.

[DaBoyz73]

The purpose is to get these coaches an oppertunity and their name out there. It's not affirmative action. Case in point the coach hired in Pitts last year. He was there only to meet the rule and he blew them away so they hired him.

That is the intention of the rule but the reality is that is not always the case. Case in point Miami.

[5Stars]

As well as Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders....


What about the handicapped and the homos (nothing wrong with that, I suppose) and women?

I bet there are some women that would be damn good coaches!!


;)

[DaBoyz73]

Sure. That's an ideal.

But over the years the league showed it clearly wasn't doing that which is exactly why this rule is in place.

Correct, I just wish that everyone could be on a level playing field in regards to the head coaching position.

[Jin Rummy]

The purpose is to get these coaches an oppertunity and their name out there. It's not affirmative action. Case in point the coach hired in Pitts last year. He was there only to meet the rule and he blew them away so they hired him.
Very good point. Without the rule however, you can bet the house he would've never gotten called for an interview.

[AbeBeta]

The purpose is to get these coaches an oppertunity and their name out there. It's not affirmative action. Case in point the coach hired in Pitts last year. He was there only to meet the rule and he blew them away so they hired him.

Actually this is Affirmative Action.

People totally misunderstand what affirmative action is -- AA is about monitoring to see is hirings match qualified applicants (e.g. if 25% of the qualified applicant pool is African American then you would expect about 25% of the jobs to go to African Americans), then if monitoring shows a discrepancy, actions to address that discrepancy. These actions ALMOST ALWAYS involve increased recruitment, training, and sometimes more extreme acts like required interviews.

In EXTREME cases would organizations be required to give preference to minority applicants over whites when qualifications were equivalent.

Under no circumstances are QUOTAS legal. This is an idiotic myth that is put forward by opponents. The law is very clear about this.

(substitute women for men above for cases of gender-based AA).

Also, I don't think that Pittsburg had Tomlin out to "only satisfy the rule" since their owner is the one who wrote the rule.

[DaBoyz73]

What about the handicapped and the homos (nothing wrong with that, I suppose) and women?

I bet there are some women that would be damn good coaches!!


;)

Well, persons with disabilities should be concerned as well. As far as a persons sexual orientation that has nothing to do with football. And at some point in time we will see our first women coach (head, offensive coordinator, defense coordinator) etc.

[5Stars]

Actually this is Affirmative Action.

People totally misunderstand what affirmative action is -- AA is about monitoring to see is hirings match qualified applicants (e.g. if 25% of the qualified applicant pool is African American then you would expect about 25% of the jobs to go to African Americans), then if monitoring shows a discrepancy, actions to address that discrepancy. These actions ALMOST ALWAYS involve increased recruitment, training, and sometimes more extreme acts like required interviews.

In EXTREME cases would organizations be required to give preference to minority applicants over whites when qualifications were equivalent.

Under no circumstances are QUOTAS legal. This is an idiotic myth that is put forward by opponents. The law is very clear about this.

(substitute women for men above for cases of gender-based AA).

Also, I don't think that Pittsburg had Tomlin out to "only satisfy the rule" since their owner is the one who wrote the rule.

Also, don't forget, abersonc, that whoever does get hired the players need to not like him or hate him in some way. You know, you cannot work for someone you like, right? :laugh2:


Damn! And in the Garrett announcement when he said he was staying, he said Romo asked him to go play basketball at 4:00 that afternoon!! :bang2:

[AbeBeta]

Also, don't forget, abersonc, that whoever does get hired the players need to not like him or hate him in some way. You know, you cannot work for someone you like, right? :laugh2:


Damn! And in the Garrett announcement when he said he was staying, he said Romo asked him to go play basketball at 4:00 that afternoon!! :bang2:

It is remarkable how little you take away from most discussions.

Matched only in scope by how little you add.

[5Stars]

It is remarkable how little you take away from most discussions.

Matched only in scope by how little you add.


Actually, I take ALOT from most dicussions...this being one of them! :D

[Hostile]

to say that if Tony Dungy retires that they have Jim Caldwell waiting to replace him....interesting. Discuss....Yet we can't say that Jason Garrett is next in line?Yes, we can. This is from Todd Archer's blog today.

The next Cowboys' coach? (http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2008/01/the_next_cowboys_coach.html)

9:41 AM Mon, Jan 21, 2008 | Permalink (http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2008/01/the_next_cowboys_coach.html)
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I think we all believe Jason Garrett will be the Cowboys' head coach at some point.

With the Rooney Rule, I was wondering if the Cowboys could name Garrett their coach without interviewing a minority. According to the league, yes, the Cowboys can. The rule allows for a team to have a contractual arrangement with an assistant coach to be its next head coach. I'm not sure if that language is/was written into Garrett's new contract, but when he was asked last week if Jerry Jones talked about him being his next head coach, Garrett said, "No."

And there's this scenario: the Cowboys get off to a slow start in 2008 and Jones wants to make a change before it's too late in the season and names Garrett his guy. Not the interim coach, but the coach.

[5Stars]

Yes, we can. This is rom Todd Archer's blog today.

The next Cowboys' coach? (http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2008/01/the_next_cowboys_coach.html)

9:41 AM Mon, Jan 21, 2008 | Permalink (http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2008/01/the_next_cowboys_coach.html)
Todd Archer http://www.dallasnews.com/blogs/images/email-icon.jpg E-mail (tarcher@dallasnews.com) http://www.dallasnews.com/blogs/images/email-icon.jpg News tips
I think we all believe Jason Garrett will be the Cowboys' head coach at some point.


With the Rooney Rule, I was wondering if the Cowboys could name Garrett their coach without interviewing a minority. According to the league, yes, the Cowboys can. The rule allows for a team to have a contractual arrangement with an assistant coach to be its next head coach. I'm not sure if that language is/was written into Garrett's new contract, but when he was asked last week if Jerry Jones talked about him being his next head coach, Garrett said, "No."

And there's this scenario: the Cowboys get off to a slow start in 2008 and Jones wants to make a change before it's too late in the season and names Garrett his guy. Not the interim coach, but the coach.

I think this was discussed with the Gregg Williams thing in RedSkins land...

If I read it right, The Midget could name Williams the next coach without having to do the "Rooney Rule" thing....

[Hostile]

I think this was discussed with the Gregg Williams thing in RedSkins land...

If I read it right, The Midget could name Williams the next coach without having to do the "Rooney Rule" thing....Only if an arrangement is already in place. There's speculation of the same type of deal in place for Seattle with Jim Mora Jr.

IMO Garrett, Mora, Caldwell and Williams are all worthy coaches to take over and these kinds of deals would be smart.

[Big Dakota]

to say that if Tony Dungy retires that they have Jim Caldwell waiting to replace him....interesting. Discuss....Yet we can't say that Jason Garrett is next in line?


Jason Garrett is next in line.

[Signals]

:laugh2: I hate all these brown/black/blonde haired coaches! We need a "Hair Color Rule" too!!I wish I had some say when they voted on the hair rule.
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[windward]

to say that if Tony Dungy retires that they have Jim Caldwell waiting to replace him....interesting. Discuss....Yet we can't say that Jason Garrett is next in line?
Because Jerry is our GM.










JERRY! Can't you see how doomed we are?

Seriously, there's no difference.

[windward]

As well as Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders....
The Rooney Rule refers to any minority candidate not just African-American ones.

[CowboyFan74]

to say that if Tony Dungy retires that they have Jim Caldwell waiting to replace him....interesting. Discuss....Yet we can't say that Jason Garrett is next in line?

Because he threatens to retire every year...:holmes:

[kmd24]

Only if an arrangement is already in place.

And it has to be on file with the league office. You'd think some industrious reporter could find out if that is the case on some of these guys...

[AbeBeta]

And it has to be on file with the league office. You'd think some industrious reporter could find out if that is the case on some of these guys...

Why? Speculation is much easier and makes for a story when none exists. I doubt that any owner would go to that extreme for an assistant -- stupid to enter a binding contract with someone like that.

[Bach]

Tony Dungy is a lame duck, he will be looking over his shoulder, he is just a puppet now blah blah fart blah ZZZZZZZZZZ

Does anyone not notice the difference?

Tony is saying he has one more year. It's HIS choice to only have one more year. The Colts therefore are already naming his replacement.

Here in Dallas, it's rather obvious Jerry has Garrett next in line, but we have Wade as HC and I don't think Wade is wanting to go anywhere.

Hence, apples and oranges.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Yeah as an African American I'm still upset there has to be such a rule in place... I believe teams should hire the best guy for the job, regardless of color. The NFL and NBA have set the mark for coaching standards but it's time for Division 1A college football to catch up.