democratic presidential debate

[zrinkill]

Clinton and Edwards are ganging up on Obama.

Funny stuff.

[vta]

They're all a disgrace. Mirror images of each other, trying to elevate themselves by exposing the different hues of dirt that have been swept under the rug.

[zrinkill]

I will say this ..... although I do not agree with his positions. (of course Clinton and Edwards are worse)

Obama seems much less slimy ...... much much less ...... than either Edwards and especially Mrs. Bill.

He seems like a decent man.

[iceberg]

I will say this ..... although I do not agree with his positions. (of course Clinton and Edwards are worse)

Obama seems much less slimy ...... much much less ...... than either Edwards and especially Mrs. Bill.

He seems like a decent man.

only watched when over - he's playing hillary's game. i'd ignore the jabs and talk on my issues. he's spending too much time defending himself from idiocy and not enough on what he can and would do given the chance. he needs to have someone there go "that's a lie - check my website for details. now, here's my reply on the issues at hand..." and just not get into it with her.

like the voting thing. 100 votes was "present". out of what, 4000? that's 2.5%. less than 3 times out of 100 votes would he do that too but 2.5% is small. 100 is big. but he follows along to defend.

but yes, so far obama is the one who seems the most honest.

[WiPatfan]

Obama gets the edge by actually, for really the first time, fighting back against the machine.

The Clintons have predicated their presidency on the fact that they are "vetted" to take on the Republicans. They can fight dirty; guess what, Obama can, too. O-Train threw the mud back in their face...priceless.

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...John McCain. (Bet you thought I'd write Edwards -- he's toast, regardless of how well he did.) Democrats just fed the Republicans a boat-load of film for the general election. (Hell, Obama almost called them liars.) Right now, the polls have McCain beating both Obama and the Clintons...and that was before the debate. It also helps McCain that all three candidates conceded that John McCain is the toughest of the Republicans to beat.

[iceberg]

i'm not sure anyone won. *if* the repubs do the internal bickering also, how can *EITHER* side promote bipartison promises when they can't even get along in their own party?

hillary was just horrible in that debate, abliet me only seeing 3 scenes of it. she was rude, interrupted people, flung manure w/o question or concern where it lands...some may call those admirable traits to get the job done. i call it a pretty crappy time we have before us if this is the best we can do.

at one time hutch and carter was the best we could also.

[Hoov]

the hillary hate is pretty rampant on this board. i still think she's going to win it all.

[zrinkill]

the hillary hate is pretty rampant on this board. i still think she's going to win it all.

You think its worse than the Bush hate?

[jterrell]

You think its worse than the Bush hate?

It's with a lot less actual reason.
Bush has 7 years of crappy administration to garner his approval ratings.

Hillary has one failed insurance plan which is still being attempted by every politician in the country in one way or another.

[jterrell]

Obama came out attacking, initiated the negativity, and ended up getting digged by both Hillary and Edwards for it. He was a willing combatant in front of the hosting Black Caucus but still spelled out next to nothing in actual policy. The problem for Obama is simple. He just doesn't walk the talk. He has the speaking skills to win it all. But his clarity in policy resembles that of George W. Bush... i.e. we'll get everything done I want to get done and it will be good..... Hooey.

Obama has won one debate: Philadephia. Hillary has won every other Democratic debate... and even Aikman sucked in Philly:)

Obama is the more eloquent speaker but he is losing the likability edge he had. He is playing along as if he is hoping to buoy Hillary.

I was shocked Edwards seemed to hand the Repub nomination to McCain. Hillary has a larger lead than McCain in national polls ans she actually ha a current delegate lead unlike McCain. I guess he is willing to hand her the nomination as well. I noticed she soft-shoed on Edwards and now I bet he is looking like a big plum for her as VP. They spoke privately after the debate in the green room.

Obama got sucked in, played an ugly game and probably lost the election based on his willingness to depart from what had him winning votes at every speech. He listened to Karl Rove of all people and now he can wonder what would have been.

[jterrell]

the hillary hate is pretty rampant on this board. i still think she's going to win it all.

Hoov, she IS going to win it all.

[iceberg]

It's with a lot less actual reason.
Bush has 7 years of crappy administration to garner his approval ratings.

Hillary has one failed insurance plan which is still being attempted by every politician in the country in one way or another.

are you not the one who's said what a vast array of experience hillary has in politics and how to get things done? now suddenly she has just one failed plan people are still kicking around?

which is it?

[zrinkill]

It's with a lot less actual reason.
Bush has 7 years of crappy administration to garner his approval ratings.

Hillary has one failed insurance plan which is still being attempted by every politician in the country in one way or another.

Hilary has 16 years of lying to the American people and over 16 years of shady dealings and underhanded methods.

The American people have no more reason to trust her than Bush.

[iceberg]

Obama came out attacking, initiated the negativity, and ended up getting digged by both Hillary and Edwards for it. He was a willing combatant in front of the hosting Black Caucus but still spelled out next to nothing in actual policy. The problem for Obama is simple. He just doesn't walk the talk. He has the speaking skills to win it all. But his clarity in policy resembles that of George W. Bush... i.e. we'll get everything done I want to get done and it will be good..... Hooey.

Obama has won one debate: Philadephia. Hillary has won every other Democratic debate... and even Aikman sucked in Philly:)

Obama is the more eloquent speaker but he is losing the likability edge he had. He is playing along as if he is hoping to buoy Hillary.

I was shocked Edwards seemed to hand the Repub nomination to McCain. Hillary has a larger lead than McCain in national polls ans she actually ha a current delegate lead unlike McCain. I guess he is willing to hand her the nomination as well. I noticed she soft-shoed on Edwards and now I bet he is looking like a big plum for her as VP. They spoke privately after the debate in the green room.

Obama got sucked in, played an ugly game and probably lost the election based on his willingness to depart from what had him winning votes at every speech. He listened to Karl Rove of all people and now he can wonder what would have been.

disagree on some of this. hillary is NOT likeable. put that card away and please, burn it. we already know according to you hillary will do whatever it takes (lying included) to get what *she* wants.

i also think obama is FAR more likeable than hillary could ever hope to be. he's a much better speaker but his fault is he's letting hillary do her crap and he's chasing it around vs. just not playing her game.

but things like this are difficult to talk objectively about with someone who's known to support clinton regardless of the world around her.

[jterrell]

are you not the one who's said what a vast array of experience hillary has in politics and how to get things done? now suddenly she has just one failed plan people are still kicking around?

which is it?

Who's arguing her record working for women's and children's rights? Whose saying anything she did failed except the health care initiative?

She does have a record, it's just a record no one has been able to attack.

Her votes in Congress are well documented and are uncontroversial. She is moderate through n through except with regards to women and children where she is clearly liberal.

[jterrell]

disagree on some of this. hillary is NOT likeable. put that card away and please, burn it. we already know according to you hillary will do whatever it takes (lying included) to get what *she* wants.

i also think obama is FAR more likeable than hillary could ever hope to be. he's a much better speaker but his fault is he's letting hillary do her crap and he's chasing it around vs. just not playing her game.

but things like this are difficult to talk objectively about with someone who's known to support clinton regardless of the world around her.

I did not say Hillary was likable. I said Obama is losing his likability lead. He is being nasty and peevish: exactly the knocks on Hillary.

But it's ok Hillary will be kind to Obama when she takes office.

[PosterChild]

I did not say Hillary was likable. I said Obama is losing his likability lead. He is being nasty and peevish: exactly the knocks on Hillary.

But it's ok Hillary will be kind to Obama when she takes office.

Everyone calm down now. I have you all- err, I mean- everything under control.

http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/GodHillary.jpg

[Doomsday101]

I love how the Dems rip each other up. Face it the Dem party is a more splintered group than the Rep. Dems tend to be groups interested in their own agendas and this is one reason many in the Dem party are asking Bill Clinton to back off right now

[iceberg]

I did not say Hillary was likable. I said Obama is losing his likability lead. He is being nasty and peevish: exactly the knocks on Hillary.

But it's ok Hillary will be kind to Obama when she takes office.

hillary is never kind dude.

[jterrell]

I love how the Dems rip each other up. Face it the Dem party is a more splintered group than the Rep. Dems tend to be groups interested in their own agendas and this is one reason many in the Dem party are asking Bill Clinton to back off right now

lol. at least the democrats care. repubs can't find a candidate to stay awake long enough to run. mccain had no money and campaign staff quitting daily two months ago and now he is in the lead. the only candidate who seems to have tried this entire time has no shot because he is a mormon with too much prell in his hair. he'd have more success selling cars... like his dad did.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I love how the Dems rip each other up. Face it the Dem party is a more splintered group than the Rep. Dems tend to be groups interested in their own agendas and this is one reason many in the Dem party are asking Bill Clinton to back off right now

You are right the republicans never eat their own. :rolleyes:

Geez how easily we forget what the bush group did to McCain in their primary together.

Oh and we never see Huckabee, McCain, Romney or Thompson go after each other.

[Sasquatch]

Geez how easily we forget what the bush group did to McCain in their primary together.

That was just some friendly politicking.... [diabolical laughter]

http://www.phonyfighterpilot.com/images/A_Karl_Rove.jpg

[Doomsday101]

You are right the republicans never eat their own. :rolleyes:

Geez how easily we forget what the bush group did to McCain in their primary together.

Oh and we never see Huckabee, McCain, Romney or Thompson go after each other.

I did not say that they did not attack each other but in the end the Republican Party is not as splinted of a group when dealing with the base. Look at the organization that make up the Dem base and look at the organization that makes up the Rep party Dems have a lot more groups to cater to. Right now top party members are telling Bill Clinton to tone it down because they are fearful that voters will not show up at the polls if they tear down Obama like they have been doing

[Doomsday101]

lol. at least the democrats care. repubs can't find a candidate to stay awake long enough to run. mccain had no money and campaign staff quitting daily two months ago and now he is in the lead. the only candidate who seems to have tried this entire time has no shot because he is a mormon with too much prell in his hair. he'd have more success selling cars... like his dad did.

Dems care? Let me guess they are looking after the avg guy. You buy into that BS not me. All I have heard are vague ideals and playing to the group they are talking to that day. Liberal are about the biggest wishy washy party I have ever seen. Or should I call them what they really are the US Socialist Party.

[PosterChild]

I did not say that they did not attack each other but in the end the Republican Party is not as splinted of a group when dealing with the base. Look at the organization that make up the Dem base and look at the organization that makes up the Rep party Dems have a lot more groups to cater to. Right now top party members are telling Bill Clinton to tone it down because they are fearful that voters will not show up at the polls if they tear down Obama like they have been doing

http://www.connietalk.com/bill_clinton_snooze.jpg

Looks like he's gotten the message.

[Doomsday101]

http://www.connietalk.com/bill_clinton_snooze.jpg

Looks like he's gotten the message.

Looks a bit bored at what the Gentleman is saying but at least he cares. :lmao:

[trickblue]

Looks a bit bored at what the Gentleman is saying but at least he cares. :lmao:

That's at a function honoring MLK yesterday...

[Hoov]

That's at a function honoring MLK yesterday...
He was deep in thought and prayer

[vta]

http://www.connietalk.com/bill_clinton_snooze.jpg

Looks like he's gotten the message.

The video is priceless, watching him nod off and switch hands.
Then nod his head when he wakes up to pretend he agrees. :lmao:

[Doomsday101]

He was deep in thought and prayer

Sure he was. Such as man I wonder where Monica is these days. :lmao:

[PosterChild]

The video is priceless, watching him nod off and switch hands.
Then nod his head when he wakes up to pretend he agrees. :lmao:

All joking aside, I wonder if he's not doing well either physically or mentally-- he's looking awfully old for his age.

His political career has surely been exacting, and it shows. I don't know how he could possibly execute his duties as First Lady should that dubious scenario come to pass.

[jterrell]

Dems care? Let me guess they are looking after the avg guy. You buy into that BS not me. All I have heard are vague ideals and playing to the group they are talking to that day. Liberal are about the biggest wishy washy party I have ever seen. Or should I call them what they really are the US Socialist Party.

I will type more slowly so I can be more easily followed I guess....

1. You criticized Dems for in-fighting.
2. I said at least the Dems care enough to fight.
3. You brought up "looking after the avg guy" ???


They care enough to fight to win the nomination and the Presidency.

In case I didn't type slow enough they are the opposite of Fred and Rudy.
They actually are running campaigns working long hours and risking their reputations to win the nomination.

[Hoov]

Sure he was. Such as man I wonder where Monica is these days. :lmao:LOL, that was good.

[Doomsday101]

I will type more slowly so I can be more easily followed I guess....

1. You criticized Dems for in-fighting.
2. I said at least the Dems care enough to fight.
3. You brought up "looking after the avg guy" ???


They care enough to fight to win the nomination and the Presidency.

In case I didn't type slow enough they are the opposite of Fred and Rudy.
They actually are running campaigns working long hours and risking their reputations to win the nomination.

Actually the Dem party is criticizing the fighting that it taking place, I love it I like to see the Dem rip each other apart. They play to so many different groups and organizations that after they are done with each other they will alienate their own groups to the point that they will not come out and vote. These are the exact reasons why the party heads in the Dem party are telling Clinton to tone it down with his attacks on Obama. Those where their words over the weekend not mine I just agree with them. Do the republicans attack sure they do but the Republican Party is not made up of so many activist groups as the Dems are. Anyone who has hung around activist know that you hurt their little feelings they go home and will sit this one out.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I did not say that they did not attack each other but in the end the Republican Party is not as splinted of a group when dealing with the base. Look at the organization that make up the Dem base and look at the organization that makes up the Rep party Dems have a lot more groups to cater to. Right now top party members are telling Bill Clinton to tone it down because they are fearful that voters will not show up at the polls if they tear down Obama like they have been doing

Have you really looked at the Republican party candidates of late?

Really?

You have Rudy who is just about as liberal as Hillary. A republican candidate that basically caters to illegal immigration and is ok with womens choice as opposed to right to life.

The same guy that one week says english should be the official language and about a week later he is running campaign ads in florida...in SPANISH.

You have a guy that is a mormon...and you just know many repubs don't want a mormon in the white house. Just not their acceptable brand of religion.

You got guys ripping on Huckabee when he got up in the polls and basically saying his past is a past of liberal voting. Same with Romney.

Geez guys...it is time to wake up and smell the coffee.

The main difference between the two parties is one has a R by it's name and the other has a D. After that it is just talking points.

The majority are nothing more than rats trying to climb all over each other to get to the top.

Sadly most will try to cater to their base but in the end that is nothing more than lip service unless there is a hefty check involved.

The ones that probably are trying to stick along party lines are the ones who will not get a chance at even winning the primaries for each party.

This is not just the dems...I know Repubs just love to say that but it is just not the case.

As long as both parties can keep the masses fighting along party lines and turning a blind eye towards their own party...they are doing just what they are setting out to do.

They know that most stuff will skate on by many americans because those americans will have their heads so far up their parties butts that they can no longer smell the feces as their noses are in the stomach.

[vta]

All joking aside, I wonder if he's not doing well either physically or mentally-- he's looking awfully old for his age.

His political career has surely been exacting, and it shows. I don't know how he could possibly execute his duties as First Lady should that dubious scenario come to pass.

I'm sure Bill is just fine, just a little old to be faking appearances...
As to how he'd do as first lady, the same he did as Pres, he'll float on momentum.

[ConcordCowboy]

http://www.connietalk.com/bill_clinton_snooze.jpg

Looks like he's gotten the message.

Sorry nothing will trump this...

http://prorev.com/bush911.jpg

[BrAinPaiNt]

Sorry nothing will trump this...

http://prorev.com/bush911.jpg

Leave him alone...it was a very difficult book.;)

[Doomsday101]

Have you really looked at the Republican party candidates of late?

Really?

You have Rudy who is just about as liberal as Hillary. A republican candidate that basically caters to illegal immigration and is ok with womens choice as opposed to right to life.

The same guy that one week says english should be the official language and about a week later he is running campaign ads in florida...in SPANISH.

You have a guy that is a mormon...and you just know many repubs don't want a mormon in the white house. Just not their acceptable brand of religion.

You got guys ripping on Huckabee when he got up in the polls and basically saying his past is a past of liberal voting. Same with Romney.

Geez guys...it is time to wake up and smell the coffee.

The main difference between the two parties is one has a R by it's name and the other has a D. After that it is just talking points.

The majority are nothing more than rats trying to climb all over each other to get to the top.

Sadly most will try to cater to their base but in the end that is nothing more than lip service unless there is a hefty check involved.

The ones that probably are trying to stick along party lines are the ones who will not get a chance at even winning the primaries for each party.

This is not just the dems...I know Repubs just love to say that but it is just not the case.

As long as both parties can keep the masses fighting along party lines and turning a blind eye towards their own party...they are doing just what they are setting out to do.

They know that most stuff will skate on by many americans because those americans will have their heads so far up their parties butts that they can no longer smell the feces as their noses are in the stomach.

Yes I have seen the candidate but it does not change anything I said the Dem party caters to more activist groups than the republican party does this is not about fighting between the candidates it is the affect the in fighting has with the groups that back them. Dem have NOW, NAACP, Gay Rights, Abortion rights and the list goes on and on the Republican Party tends to be conservatives and religious right it is not as splintered as the Dems. and the infighting does not have the same affect over the base of the Republican Party. This is why the Dem party leaders again have told Bill Clinton to cool it because they damn well know the effects of this in the general elections.

[vta]

Yes I have seen the candidate but it does not change anything I said the Dem party caters to more activist groups than the republican party does this is not about fighting between the candidates it is the affect the in fighting has with the groups that back them. Dem have NOW, NAACP, Gay Rights, Abortion rights and the list goes on and on the Republican Party tends to be conservatives and religious right it is not as splintered as the Dems. and the infighting does not have the same affect over the base of the Republican Party. This is why the Dem party leaders again have told Bill Clinton to cool it because they damn well know the effects of this in the general elections.

From now on, since this admin is all but over, any criticism of the Democratic party will be deflected to how bad the Republicans are.

To paraphrase a popular refrain...
"But, but... The Republicans/Bush"

[Doomsday101]

From now on, since this admin is all but over, any criticism of the Democratic party will be deflected to how bad the Republicans are.

To paraphrase a popular refrain...
"But, but... The Republicans/Bush"

That was said before the last presidential election when the dems mouth was watering only to see GW get a second term, it was in the bag a sure thing even the polls suggested that Kerry would win didn't happen. Dems can say all they want. :)