PFT: Cadillac Williams Done?

[WoodysGirl]

CADILLAC DONE?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 22, 2008, 10:09 p.m.

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can’t return, it’s another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

[Doomsday101]

CADILLAC DONE?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 22, 2008, 10:09 p.m.

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can’t return, it’s another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

The same could be said for any position in the NFL.

[joseephuss]

Bust. ;)

[Coakleys Dad]

wow..

[superpunk]

If Williams can’t return, it’s another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.

It's always a stupid idea to let rare events sway your overall philosophy.

[Sarge]

Cadillac had a run of about 9-10 games and his career was over then. It really didn't take this knee injury to come to that conclusion. Earnest Graham is getting the job done in TB anyways.

[kingwhicker]

Terrible news. Really sad.

[Cowboys22]

Great, another team drafting ahead of us that will take a RB! Maybe they'll be interested in Julius.

[Hostile]

It's always a stupid idea to let rare events sway your overall philosophy.Exactly.

[CrazyCowboy]

I hope all the other teams feel that way and let DMac slide to us at #22

[slick325]

The same could be said for any position in the NFL.

My thoughts exactly.

[Hoofbite]

It's always a stupid idea to let rare events sway your overall philosophy.

Yeah it is. And the price of a player at whatever position is determined more by the # they are picked at.

Basically, you shouldn't ever pick in the 1st round. Everyone is one play away from injury and it costs too much,

[big dog cowboy]

Earnest Graham is getting the job done in TB anyways.
He sure did. I had a chance to get him in my fantasy league and didn't. What a mistake.

[FLCowboyFan]

I don't care if his play dropped off or he might have been replaced. It is sad that a player who is young and in their prime has their career ended by an injury. Very sad!

[WoodysGirl]

Eric (Albany): Can you comment on the rumors of Cadillac Williams's career being over due to the injury suffered this past season?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chris Mortensen: (11:15 AM ET ) I haven't heard of any such rumors. I know that he had a serious injury and the Bucs are happy they have Earnest Graham.

[zrinkill]

I feel bad for the kid ..... hope he takes care of his money.

[Rack Bauer]

CADILLAC DONE?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 22, 2008, 10:09 p.m.

One of the rumors making the rounds in Mobile is that the career of Buccaneers running back Cadillac Williams could be over.

Williams blew out a patellar tendon on September 30, during a game against the Panthers.

If Williams can’t return, it’s another argument against using a high first-round pick on a running back. The financial investment is enormous, and the running back is always one play away from a serious, if not permanent, injury.


:rolleyes:


Cuz a Tackle, Guard, Center, WR, TE, QB, DE, DT, LB, Safety, or CB can't suffer the EXACT same injury, right?


Florio is a moron.

[Smashmouth24]

The same could be said for any position in the NFL.

Correct but I think there is some truth to RB having the shortest average shelf life. Of course now you can't sign any rookie to more than 4 years right?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:rolleyes:


Cuz a Tackle, Guard, Center, WR, TE, QB, DE, DT, LB, Safety, or CB can't suffer the EXACT same injury, right?


Florio is a moron.

Yup and RB bust less than all of those except linemen and TE. WR, CB, QB are all much more risky picks.

[burmafrd]

Top 15 RBs have busted pretty frequently over the last 15 years.

[skinsscalper]

Great! There goes our chances of landing Felix Jones. He's a Buc.

[NextGenBoys]

It's always a stupid idea to let rare events sway your overall philosophy.

Well put.

[Rack Bauer]

Top 15 RBs have busted pretty frequently over the last 15 years.

1993:

#3 Garrison Hearst

#10 Jerome Bettis

No Busts there. And one Hall of Famer.


1994:

#2 Marshal Faulk

Hall of famer.


1995:

#1 Kijana Carter.

Big time Bust. Mainly due to injury.


1996:

#6 Lawrence Phillips

#8 Tim Biakabutuka

#14 Eddie George

Phillips had IMMENSE talent, but lacked a brain.

Biakabutuka was another injury bust.

George is a possible hall of famer.


1997:

#12 Warrick Dunn

Not a bust. Not even close.


1998:

#5 Curtis Enis

#9 Fred Taylor

Enis should change his last name to "Bust".

Taylor is far from a bust.



1999:

#4 Edgarrin James

#5 Ricky Williams

Neither one of them are busts. Williams like da' hash, but he's no bust.



2000:

#5 Jamaal Lewis

#7 Thomas Jones

#11 Ron Dayne

Lewis is not a bust. Jones was only a "Bust" while in Arizona, which is the norm for that team. Dayne has been ok, but still considered a bust.


2001:

#5 Ladanian Tomlinson

Hall of Famer and ARGUABLY the greatest RB of all time.



2002:

No RBs in the top 15.



2003:

No RBs in the top 15.



2004:

No RBs in the top 15.



2005:

#2 Ronnie Brown

#4 Cedric Benson

#5 Cadillac Williams


Brown is starting to look pretty good (before he got hurt). Benson is a bust. Williams was the best of the bunch, but injuries have hurt him.

Only one sure fire "Bust" out of that group. And to be fair, before that draft I stated several times that none of them were worth top 10 picks.



2006:

#2 Reggie Bush

Not a "Carry the load" type RB, but not a bust either. Not yet anyway.



2007:

#7 Adrian Peterson

#12 Marshawn Lynch


Too early to tell, but both has solid to great first seasons. AP is on his way to the HOF if he can stay healthy.




So, what were you saying about top 15 RBs being busts frequently over the last 15 years?

Out of 22 RBs drafted in the top 15 picks over the last 15 years (YOUR criteria) 5 of them are potential Hall of famers, another 8 were good to very good players, and only 5 of them could be flat out called "Busts".

That's 13 that are good to ALL TIME GREAT picks to only 5 busts. And another 4 that were either solid players or it's too early to tell.

[joseephuss]

1993:

#3 Garrison Hearst

#10 Jerome Bettis

No Busts there. And one Hall of Famer.


1994:

#2 Marshal Faulk

Hall of famer.


1995:

#1 Kijana Carter.

Big time Bust. Mainly due to injury.


1996:

#6 Lawrence Phillips

#8 Tim Biakabutuka

#14 Eddie George

Phillips had IMMENSE talent, but lacked a brain.

Biakabutuka was another injury bust.

George is a possible hall of famer.


1997:

#12 Warrick Dunn

Not a bust. Not even close.


1998:

#5 Curtis Enis

#9 Fred Taylor

Enis should change his last name to "Bust".

Taylor is far from a bust.



1999:

#4 Edgarrin James

#5 Ricky Williams

Neither one of them are busts. Williams like da' hash, but he's no bust.



2000:

#5 Jamaal Lewis

#7 Thomas Jones

#11 Ron Dayne

Lewis is not a bust. Jones was only a "Bust" while in Arizona, which is the norm for that team. Dayne has been ok, but still considered a bust.


2001:

#5 Ladanian Tomlinson

Hall of Famer and ARGUABLY the greatest RB of all time.



2002:

No RBs in the top 15.



2003:

No RBs in the top 15.



2004:

No RBs in the top 15.



2005:

#2 Ronnie Brown

#4 Cedric Benson

#5 Cadillac Williams


Brown is starting to look pretty good (before he got hurt). Benson is a bust. Williams was the best of the bunch, but injuries have hurt him.

Only one sure fire "Bust" out of that group. And to be fair, before that draft I stated several times that none of them were worth top 10 picks.



2006:

#2 Reggie Bush

Not a "Carry the load" type RB, but not a bust either. Not yet anyway.



2007:

#7 Adrian Peterson

#12 Marshawn Lynch


Too early to tell, but both has solid to great first seasons. AP is on his way to the HOF if he can stay healthy.




So, what were you saying about top 15 RBs being busts frequently over the last 15 years?

Out of 22 RBs drafted in the top 15 picks over the last 15 years (YOUR criteria) 5 of them are potential Hall of famers, another 8 were good to very good players, and only 5 of them could be flat out called "Busts".

That's 13 that are good to ALL TIME GREAT picks to only 5 busts. And another 4 that were either solid players or it's too early to tell.

What is the definition of bust? And even if a back is not a bust, they still may not provide the value that you would want out of a top 15 back. Not that I am talking about the list you provided. Your analysis seems right on although Garrison Hearst was not much of a factor for the team that draft him(the Cardinals again). It really was not until he was on his 3rd team did he become a good back. One season over 1333 yards. That is my line for a very good season based on 83.33 yards per game which is what it took for guys to gain a 1000 yards back in the old 12 game seasons. He was not a bust, but he was not what you would hope for drafting in the top 15.

I agree with Williams, Benson and Brown. All can be decent backs, but I never saw them as top 10 quality.

[Rack Bauer]

The reason I don't consider Hearst a bust is 1) he was drafted by the Cards and 2) he suffered a MAJOR horrific injury but came back and had a good year (two years later?). He was, IMO, at one point a top 5 RB in the NFL.

[TheCount]

The same could be said for any position in the NFL.

Yeah, let's just spend first round picks on kickers and punters since they can play till they're 40.

[NextGenBoys]

1993:

#3 Garrison Hearst

#10 Jerome Bettis

No Busts there. And one Hall of Famer.


1994:

#2 Marshal Faulk

Hall of famer.


1995:

#1 Kijana Carter.

Big time Bust. Mainly due to injury.


1996:

#6 Lawrence Phillips

#8 Tim Biakabutuka

#14 Eddie George

Phillips had IMMENSE talent, but lacked a brain.

Biakabutuka was another injury bust.

George is a possible hall of famer.


1997:

#12 Warrick Dunn

Not a bust. Not even close.


1998:

#5 Curtis Enis

#9 Fred Taylor

Enis should change his last name to "Bust".

Taylor is far from a bust.



1999:

#4 Edgarrin James

#5 Ricky Williams

Neither one of them are busts. Williams like da' hash, but he's no bust.



2000:

#5 Jamaal Lewis

#7 Thomas Jones

#11 Ron Dayne

Lewis is not a bust. Jones was only a "Bust" while in Arizona, which is the norm for that team. Dayne has been ok, but still considered a bust.


2001:

#5 Ladanian Tomlinson

Hall of Famer and ARGUABLY the greatest RB of all time.



2002:

No RBs in the top 15.



2003:

No RBs in the top 15.



2004:

No RBs in the top 15.



2005:

#2 Ronnie Brown

#4 Cedric Benson

#5 Cadillac Williams


Brown is starting to look pretty good (before he got hurt). Benson is a bust. Williams was the best of the bunch, but injuries have hurt him.

Only one sure fire "Bust" out of that group. And to be fair, before that draft I stated several times that none of them were worth top 10 picks.



2006:

#2 Reggie Bush

Not a "Carry the load" type RB, but not a bust either. Not yet anyway.



2007:

#7 Adrian Peterson

#12 Marshawn Lynch


Too early to tell, but both has solid to great first seasons. AP is on his way to the HOF if he can stay healthy.




So, what were you saying about top 15 RBs being busts frequently over the last 15 years?

Out of 22 RBs drafted in the top 15 picks over the last 15 years (YOUR criteria) 5 of them are potential Hall of famers, another 8 were good to very good players, and only 5 of them could be flat out called "Busts".

That's 13 that are good to ALL TIME GREAT picks to only 5 busts. And another 4 that were either solid players or it's too early to tell.

Owned. :bow:

[diehard2294]

Jimmy Johnson said he wouldn't last in the NFL. He made the comment in his rookie season,said he takes too much punishment.