Cowboys have talked with Chris Johnson on two occasions

[Goldenrichards83]

I have confirmation that we have talk with Chris Johnson twice and are very interested in him. Sorry I can't post the article because it is aganist the rules. However I don't think they mind me talking about it.

[Roy Williams]

I have confirmation that we have talk with Chris Johnson twice and are very interested in him. Sorry I can't post the article because it is aganist the rules. However I don't think they mind me talking about it.


SWEET!!! I've always liked him over the other backs and I'm hoping we can target in rd. #2.

That will leave CB and WR in the 1st. RD

[Mansta54]

Who is Chris Johnson?

[Woods]

SO, the guys we have shown interest in include

RB C Johnson
Choice

WR E Doucet

Who else is there?

[InmanRoshi]

Speedster running back from East Carolina. Track star. Many think he'll run the fastest 40 time in this class.

[theogt]

Can you post the link? Surely no one would be upset with you sending a flood of traffic to their site.

[Goldenrichards83]

SO, the guys we have shown interest in include

RB C Johnson
Choice

WR E Doucet

Who else is there?Demarrio Pressley, Chris Ellis.

[Mansta54]

Speedster running back from East Carolina. Track star. Many think he'll run the fastest 40 time in this class.

Thanks!!!!

[Roy Williams]

Who is Chris Johnson?

RB- East Carolina

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/07/55/90/image_6490557.jpg

[Woods]

Demarrio Pressley, Chris Ellis.

I didn't know about those two.

Is that in the same article?

Thanks.

[Goldenrichards83]

Can you post the link? Surely no one would be upset with you sending a flood of traffic to their site.I would love too but I could get my account suspended if they found out and it says it clear as day to not copy and paste the article.

[Goldenrichards83]

I didn't know about those two.

Is that in the same article?

Thanks.No, its the same site different article.

[theogt]

I would love too but I could get my account suspended if they found out and it says it clear as day to not copy and paste the article.Right. But what about the link to the article? You don't have to post the article.

[Goldenrichards83]

Right. But what about the link to the article? You don't have to post the article.http://dal.scout.com/

[Roy Williams]

Heres a good article on him....


Johnson patiently waits for NFL shot


Click-2-Listen
By Nathan Summers
The Daily Reflector

Monday, January 14, 2008

Now that he no longer carries the title East Carolina running back in front of his name, Chris Johnson is biding his time until he can put a National Football League team's name in front of his.

Just a couple of weeks ago, Johnson was dissecting Boise State's defense at the Hawaii Bowl, torturing the Broncos for 408 all-purpose yards in a thrilling 41-38 ECU win. But the second the team plane pulled back into Greenville, Johnson's life started a new phase.

While there are no guarantees for Johnson — who spent last week at home in Orlando, Fla., working out before returning to ECU for the weekend's annual football banquet — his future in the NFL at this stage is more a question of where than one of if.

Johnson led the nation in all-purpose yards per game and rushed for 1,000 yards for the first time in his career as a senior, giving rise to plenty of hype about where he might be chosen in the April 26-27 draft. Now, it's up to Johnson to be ready for his big day.

That means he's already right back in training in Florida today.

"Right now, I'm just getting ready for the Senior Bowl, and I'm working hard to be a first round pick," said Johnson, who has even drawn attention from draft experts like ESPN's Mel Kiper after his heavily-decorated season that included a first-team All-America selection as a kick returner. "I'm down here right now mainly getting prepped — running routes and doing a lot of one-on-one stuff. It's still just about working hard like always."

The work routine that garnered Johnson season-long praise from ECU head coach Skip Holtz hasn't changed much.

Only now the running back and return specialist is in the company of about 40 other draft hopefuls under renowned football trainer Tom Shaw at Disney's Wide World of Sports Complex.

Like many others before them, the athletes at Shaw's facility hope the time they spend there will give them the necessary tools to perform at the NFL Combine Feb. 20-28. The program has certainly paid off for the 77 athletes it has helped steer into the first round of the draft.

"Right now, it's like 40 guys, almost all of them from big-time programs," Johnson said. "It's like a big competition every single day."

Johnson said players from programs like Virginia Tech, LSU, Arkansas, Alabama, Ole Miss, Florida and Kentucky have all converged on the Sunshine State to take in Shaw's tutelage.

After Johnson's appearance in the Jan. 26 Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., his NFL training will hit full stride.

"Right now, were doing a lot of Senior Bowl prep, but after that it's going to be mainly speed work — working a lot on the 40-yard dash — and all the vertical leap work. It's going to help me out a lot."

While Johnson has all the faith in the world that Shaw can give him an edge in the draft, he doesn't have much faith in the internet world of draft dopers to predict which team will select him and in which round.

Johnson's name is certainly a popular one on many such Web sites. But the man who will have to wait and see whether he'll become a pro tailback, return man or something completely different isn't in a rush to read what is being said about him in cyberspace.

"I really don't pay much attention to it," Johnson said of the pre-draft hype. "Those sites aren't really any NFL teams. They're not NFL general managers. Any person out here can make up a draft site, but it doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. Everyone has an opinion."

And, of course, Johnson has his own opinion.

He thinks if the winter training in Florida continues to go well, Johnson will join former linebacker Robert Jones as the Pirates' only first round NFL picks. Jones was selected 24th overall in the 1992 draft by the Dallas Cowboys.

"Right now, they've got me late first round or early second," Johnson said. "After the combine, I should be up there in the first round. Pretty much all 32 teams have been at practice to watch me and to watch film of me."


GET R' DONE JERRY!!

[numnuts23]

Speedster running back from East Carolina. Track star. Many think he'll run the fastest 40 time in this class.

Probably be between him and Charles from Texas.

[theogt]

Probably be between him and Charles from Texas.I doubt Charles is even being considered. There are about a dozen better backs in the class.

[Doomsday101]

Speedster running back from East Carolina. Track star. Many think he'll run the fastest 40 time in this class.

We will see WR Donny Avery has been clocked in the low 4.20s 5'11" WR out of U of H

[Roy Williams]

I doubt Charles is even being considered. There are about a dozen better backs in the class.

agree...Charles is not in Johnson's class. He's a big step below him.

[sacase]

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32966

Here is some info on him

[superpunk]

I like him and Choice of our realistic running back chances. Choice is probably a better runner, Johnson looks like a better athlete. It would be nice to have a homerun threat that was actually a homerun threat.

[theogt]

I like him and ChoiceHollah!

[Hailmary]

SWEET!!! I've always liked him over the other backs and I'm hoping we can target in rd. #2.

That will leave CB and WR in the 1st. RD

Not w/ where we are picking in the 2nd, it'll require us to move up in the second.

But if he runs as well as everyone expects him too, he'll probably shoot up as the 2nd best RB and I'm not sure if he'll be there w/ Cleveland's first.

[superpunk]

Hollah!

I think it was you that I saw talking about Choice during the season, and I says to myself....let me check this fellow out.

[Doomsday101]

I doubt Charles is even being considered. There are about a dozen better backs in the class.

I don't think there are a dozen better than Charles. The kid has shown himself as a very good RB and while I would not consider him one of the top 5 RB in this draft I he is a day 1 pick

[austintodallas]

I think it was you that I saw talking about Choice during the season, and I says to myself....let me check this fellow out.Who's this Choice fellow and who is that in your avatar SP?

[tomson75]

What type of injury forced Johnson out? Not that I'm wishing injury on these guys, but it would just be dreamy if we could take the top CB (McKelvin) with our first, a top WR (Doucet) with our second first, a top RB prospect with our second (Johnson), and still get a guy like Schmitt in the fourth round.

Seems like all of the guys I like are coming up lame lately....good for draft position?

[theogt]

Who's this Choice fellow and who is that in your avatar SP?Whet your appetite. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=S0i5NOVLl_s)

[superpunk]

who is that in your avatar SP?

Mojo Nixon....back in the day.

[Goldenrichards83]

What type of injury forced Johnson out? Not that I'm wishing injury on these guys, but it would just be dreamy if we could take the top CB (McKelvin) with our first, a top WR (Doucet) with our second first, a top RB prospect with our second (Johnson), and still get a guy like Schmitt in the fourth round.

Seems like all of the guys I like are coming up lame lately....good for draft position? Hamstring. Problem with taking Johnson in the 2nd is I don't think he will last that long. We may have to take him with our #28 pick.

[austintodallas]

Thank you both. Will have to view yours at home OGT. Damn work site blockers!

[TonyS]

"Right now, they've got me late first round or early second," Johnson said. "After the combine, I should be up there in the first round. Pretty much all 32 teams have been at practice to watch me and to watch film of me."


Obviously, he doesn't know that the only way a back goes high in the first is if someone falls in love with him. Backs usually drop precipitously in the draft from where they are projected, especially in a strong RB year, which this seems to be. He'll be lucky to go in the top of the 2nd.

[CrazyCowboy]

Johnson is a kid who can play......fast and catches the ball very well.....could be our pick for sure

[Goldenrichards83]

I think Choice along with Ray Rice has the best vision out of all the backs this year.

[Sam I Am]

RB- East Carolina

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/07/55/90/image_6490557.jpg

OMG, it's the cave troll in the Mines of Moria from Lord of the Rings! :laugh2:

[JPM]

Good lord Chris Johnson is fast.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YGztl7-PlLA

[Goldenrichards83]

ECU back makes run at first round


http://media.newsobserver.com/smedia/2008/01/01/02/869-reg-1830964-1177342.embedded.prod_affiliate.3.jpg Chris Johnson earned some postseason notice by putting up 408 total yards in the Hawaii Bowl against Boise State.
Staff Photo by Robert Willett







Caulton Tudor, Staff Writer
While running for all those bowl game yards against Boise State, East Carolina football player Chris Johnson also made a fast dash for cash. NFL scouts already had the senior running back on their checklists, but his record 408 total yards in the Pirates' 41-38 Sheraton Hawaii Bowl upset win on Dec. 23 may have vaulted Johnson into the first round of the 2008 draft.
"It's really going to pay off for Chris, and no one is more deserving," ECU coach Skip Holtz said. "Most of the pro teams had him as maybe a third-rounder before the game, but it's pretty obvious now that he's going to do better than that."
How much better will hinge in part on Johnson's work at the Senior Bowl (Jan. 26, Mobile, Ala.), the NFL Combine (Feb. 20-26, Indianapolis) and in individual practice sessions. A bigger factor will be the number of underclassmen who enter the April 26-27 draft in New York.
Several potential high picks in the junior class -- Arkansas' Darren McFadden, West Virginia's Steve Slaton and Rutgers' Ray Rice among others -- could change the pecking order at running back. McFadden is rated the No. 1 overall pick by some scouting services.
But among the seniors, Johnson and Michigan's Mike Hart are the clear leaders. Hart, a preseason All-America pick by many, has been high on the charts since the end of the 2006 season.
Johnson was hardly on anyone's radar until the season began, but he's a fast mover. At 6 feet and 200 pounds, his 4.28-second 40-yard run in preseason was a tipoff of things to come.
"And that was on the pro stopwatches," Holtz said. "He's as quick as any player I've ever been around, but we knew that part of it all along. The big difference was in the way he performed this season, and especially as the season wore on. A lot of backs lose a step in the latter stages of the season. Chris just got tougher and faster."
Not only that, Johnson kept that speed while returning kicks and improving his pass-catching skills. The end result is one of the most versatile players in the NFL pool. While Johnson went home to Orlando, Fla., to line up private trainers and interview agents during the holidays, Holtz began hearing from a string of interested NFL teams.
"I thought there would be a lot of increased interest in him after the bowl performance he had," Holtz said. "But I never remotely expected anything like what's happened. A part of it was because of the team Chris did it against. Boise State is a heck of a quick football team, and the pro scouts knew it. He didn't get all those yards against a bunch of big, slow guys. He did it against a team that can move and hit and run people down."
In its history, ECU has produced only one NFL first-rounder, linebacker Robert Jones, who was picked No. 24 overall by Dallas in the 1992 draft. Jacksonville quarterback David Garrard was a fourth-round pick in 2002, and longtime pro rushing standout Earnest Byner was a 10th-round pick by Cleveland in 1984.
"Chris is going to have a chance at it," Holtz said. "There are only a few players who make that cut, so it's not easy."
Rather than the usual 32, there will be only 31 first-rounders this year. New England will not get a first-round choice as a result of its illegal scouting infraction earlier in the season.
But as Holtz said, "Chris is in the running."
And he definitely can run.

[Romo2Dez4six]

Good lord Chris Johnson is fast.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YGztl7-PlLA

yeah i would say. we need to talk to the ref he was fast too:eek:

[Goldenrichards83]

I love this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va_ImT9jRiQ&feature=related

[BlueStar II]

Speedster running back from East Carolina. Track star. Many think he'll run the fastest 40 time in this class.

:starspin IR, I have a feeling you may be right about him having the fastest time in the 40. If that turns out to be the case, it wouldn't surprise me if he's picked before our current spot in the 2nd though.

[Oh_Canada]

I didn't know about those two.

Is that in the same article?

Thanks.

Here is a profile on Ellis....looks like a high risk, high reward type:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/chrisellis.html

DeMario Pressley I am not high on...he seems to be a tweener and doesn't offer anything that we don't have already on the roster among our d-lineman.

[Roy Williams]

Whet your appetite. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=S0i5NOVLl_s)

WOW!! nice video. The guy is very shifty and explodes through the hole.
He would be NICE to pair with Barber.

[Bill Wooten]

The report I saw was that CJ was out of practice with a shoulder injury, not hamstring. Though who knows which of these sites knows the real truth.

[JPM]

I love this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va_ImT9jRiQ&feature=related
WOW, nobody touched him.

[Bill Wooten]

Just read that CJ will not be playing in the Senior Bowl due to injury. Replaced by the RB from Oregan.

[superpunk]

I love this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va_ImT9jRiQ&feature=related

That was filthy.

Yes, please.

[Woods]

Here is a profile on Ellis....looks like a high risk, high reward type:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/chrisellis.html

DeMario Pressley I am not high on...he seems to be a tweener and doesn't offer anything that we don't have already on the roster among our d-lineman.

Here's some info on Pressley. Interesting bio.

DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina St

STRENGTHS
DeMario has the size, athletic talent and overall potential to be the best DT in this draft. He has excellent quickness and strength off the ball and can play in any style of defense. In a 3-4 defense, he should be an excellent DE; however, if push comes to shove, I’m sure he could play the nose for you and do a very good job. He will be effective in any type of defense because he uses very good techniques in defending against the run as well as rushing the pass. He will be able to impact in any style of defense. DeMario is a hell of a player. I call him DeMario (Rock & Roll) Pressley because he makes a defense rock and roll. What?! You thought I was going to nickname him Elvis?!

NEEDS TO IMPROVE
DeMario just needs more confidence. He needs more repetitions and some good coaching to continue his development. DeMarco also needs to become a little more aggressive when rushing the passer. He has everything else.

TALENT BOARD ROUND 1
I do not believe that DeMario realizes how good he can really be! Let me give you some idea. He can play in a 1-gap attack defense or 2-gap defense. He can be used in a defense like the Pittsburgh Steelers where the linemen fall off into passing lanes on third and long; or, he can be used in the conventional 4-3 defense like the Garden State Giants use. He could fill the position of strong side DE in a 4-3 and then move inside on third and long passing downs to take advantage of his quickness as an inside pass rusher. DeMarco can also be used as a DT in the conventional 4-3 defense or he could fit the position of DE in a 3-4 defense because he has the athletic talent to drop off into pass coverage on third downs. The kid right now is a little behind in his experience for two reasons. First, he is on a college team that had some excellent defensive linemen for the last few years; second, he’s had some injuries. I think DeMarco is an excellent team player and in the years leading up to this one, was content to let his teammates take the lead. Now it is up to DeMarco to fill that role. DeMarco is the type of player that when you see him once, he makes the little hairs on the back of your neck stand up. He has that much pure talent. Draft him and give him a few years to develop and this kid will be one of the best defensive linemen in the league. A lot of teams will be knocking themselves over the head because they didn’t draft him. This is the type of kid that is a bit of a sleeper because all of his talents are still not on display right now. He is also the type of kid that gets scouts fired because you, as a scout, did not recommend DeMario be drafted by your team in the first round. Rock ‘n roll baby…rock and roll.
X = Would Not Draft C = Character I = Injury M = Maturity

[SultanOfSix]

This guy is a speed demon. He looks effortless when he runs.

[Oh_Canada]

WOW, nobody touched him.

Now THAT is speed!!

[numnuts23]

I doubt Charles is even being considered. There are about a dozen better backs in the class.

I was talking about who is going to run the fastest 40 time for RB, not who Dallas is looking at. :)

[Muhast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGztl7-PlLA a run by johnson

Choice is interesting b/c he may last til the 3rd. He runs hard, quick enough, and best of all he has GREAT vision. He cuts well also. He'd be much better then having julius

http://youtube.com/watch?v=S0i5NOVLl_s

watch the run at 54 seconds. Thats the type vision we will want for a change of pace back. I love that he cuts and then gets upfield. He doesnt try to run lateral.

[marchetta]

Chris Johnson RB East Carolina
STRENGTHS
Chris is a natural RB with good size and excellent speed and quickness to impact at the next level. He shows great vision and lateral agility in the hole. Chris is a recurring nightmare to deal with when he catches a swing pass out of the backfield and is in open space. He has good hands to catch the ball down the field like a WR and excellent body control to adjust to the ball. Chris has the potential to impact at the next level just like Brian Westbrook and Reggie Bush have for their teams. He has the speed, burst, quickness, vision, lateral agility and eye/ hand coordination to be an impact player.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE
Chris has to learn to hold onto the ball, reducing his fumbles. He also has to learn how to block and how to play when he is hurting. Right now, Chris has shown no interest in blocking at all and that alone could keep him off the field and limit his ability to impact for the team that drafts him. He has to develop the mental toughness that it takes to be the player his talent suggests he can become. Chris, at the NFL level, is going to be hit and dropped to the ground for the first time in his life. When he is, it will resemble an express train hitting a stalled car on the tracks in the middle of a town the post office lost the zip code to. I think it will take some time for Chris to adjust, but I do believe he will adjust!

TALENT BOARD ROUND 2
The Philadelphia Eagles in the 3rd round of the 2002 draft picked Brian Westbrook (RB Villanova). Brian was about the same size as Chris is right now and everybody thought Brian would be an excellent third down back. But Brian fooled everybody! He bulked up and has become a franchise back because of his intelligence, his natural talent, his mental toughness and the ability to stay injury free. Chris has the same type of athletic talent as Brian. In fact, he just might be a little bit faster. He has been bothered in the past with injuries and does fumble at times, so he will have to bulk up and realize that to play hurt and to play with an injury are two different things. He has to learn to play hurt and to play through the pain. He has to learn when to go down and when not to push for more yardage. Chris is a natural runner when he runs through the tackles because he has good balance, vision, lateral agility and can break tackles with his speed and quickness. There is no doubt in my mind that Chris has the potential to be a franchise player. Give him the chance to touch the ball 15 or 20 times at different positions and special teams and Chris will be an impact player just like Brian and Reggie are for their teams. Chris is what is known in the game as a game breaker. He is the type of player that can score from anywhere on the field and on any given play. I going to call him Chris (Zip Code) Johnson because I think he can stand up to that train and re-establish that zip code the post office so conveniently forgot about.

- Drew Boylhart (thehuddlereport.com)

[theebs]

That was filthy.

Yes, please.


wow. That guy has an incredible top end. He is exactly what we need as a return man on punts and to pair with austin.

Looks like sproles when he hits the open field, his legs start moving faster!

Man if he can catch and you could get him a screen or a little wheel route out of the backfield once or twice a game...he may break a game.

a guy like that coupled with a veteran or another rookie back with some size and we could be set for 5 years at running back. and yes I think we need two more guys to go with barber.

[theogt]

Here's a video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=J6OzzvP09fw&feature=related) of every play by Choice against Notre Dame where he had 196 yards and 2 TDs on 26 carries. Yes, ND sucked this year, but notice that on almost every single play there were 8 or 9 defenders in the box, often run blitzing. Their sole purpose was to stop him and they couldn't do it.

[InmanRoshi]

Johnson reminds me of Devin Hester. Just like Hester he never really found a true position in college.

[silverbear]

SO, the guys we have shown interest in include

RB C Johnson
Choice

WR E Doucet

Who else is there?

Didn't I read somewhere that they'd had some contact with Limas Sweed??

[Woods]

Didn't I read somewhere that they'd had some contact with Limas Sweed??

I haven't read that, but you may be correct.

We probably need a sticky or something to keep track of the players we've shown interest in - now and during the Combine.

[Goldenrichards83]

Didn't I read somewhere that they'd had some contact with Limas Sweed??Yes they have.

[bysbox1]

I love this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va_ImT9jRiQ&feature=related

And he returns kicks? Git Er Done Jerry!

[Zimmy Lives]

OMG, it's the cave troll in the Mines of Moria from Lord of the Rings! :laugh2:

Actually, he looks like Shrek but in a good way.

[sbark]

Jerry Jones throwing out flak, mis-direction and interference really early this year.........:rolleyes:

[marchetta]

agree...Charles is not in Johnson's class. He's a big step below him.

More like 2 or 3 steps below. IMO.

[IronCowboy]

If Charles is around in Round 5, and we haven't taken a back(Which wont happened) Then I'd happily take him. There are easily 10 backs who are more talented then him.

[silverbear]

If Charles is around in Round 5, and we haven't taken a back(Which wont happened) Then I'd happily take him. There are easily 10 backs who are more talented then him.

Yawn... I notice that in your posts, EVERY Horns player is a bust waiting to happen... which leads me to wonder which alternate Texas institution of higher learning you got your alleged education from...

[Rack Bauer]

ALl this "The cowboys have talked to (insert name here)" talk is really moot at this point.


By the time the draft rolls around they will have talked to 20 different players at each position.

[Bungarian]

Looks like he makes cuts at full speed.

[Rack Bauer]

Yawn... I notice that in your posts, EVERY Horns player is a bust waiting to happen... which leads me to wonder which alternate Texas institution of higher learning you got your alleged education from...

He happens to be right about Charles.



And you have to admit, you're the opposite when it comes to UT players. You often let your bias blind you and you overrate them.

[Rack Bauer]

Here's a video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=J6OzzvP09fw&feature=related) of every play by Choice against Notre Dame where he had 196 yards and 2 TDs on 26 carries. Yes, ND sucked this year, but notice that on almost every single play there were 8 or 9 defenders in the box, often run blitzing. Their sole purpose was to stop him and they couldn't do it.


That's cuz, as you said, Notre Dame sucked.


Choice doesn't impress me at all. He's solid, nothing more.

[JPM]

ALl this "The cowboys have talked to (insert name here)" talk is really moot at this point.


By the time the draft rolls around they will have talked to 20 different players at each position.
Yeah, but it's awfully fun. ;)

[Rack Bauer]

Yeah, but it's awfully fun. ;)

True.


I'm just referring to the people that pull out the "So we draft so and so and #22, then (insert player being talked to by cowboys here) at #28".


The cowboys are going to end up talking to lots of players, even some they have no chance of drafting.

[CPonder14]

I have read that Chris Johnson, has fumbling problems, and has small hands.


eeeeeeeekkkkkk

[lzppjb]

Here are a couple vids of Jamaal Charles showing his speed for comparison's sake.

86 yards vs. Nebraska
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_pm0y9Pol04

75 yards vs. Oklahoma State
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZXKhby8cs8&NR=1

[Hailmary]

I have read that Chris Johnson, has fumbling problems, and has small hands.


eeeeeeeekkkkkk

That's something that can be corrected w/ proper coaching (i.e. Tiki).

And judging by what I saw during NFLN's coverage of the South's Senior Bowl practice yesterday, these kids aren't being taught the fundamentals that we all think they are.

[IronCowboy]

Yawn... I notice that in your posts, EVERY Horns player is a bust waiting to happen... which leads me to wonder which alternate Texas institution of higher learning you got your alleged education from...

Hm, I didn't know the Longhorns had a roster that consisted of two players? Which leads me to wonder where you receiver your alleged education from. School of Neanderthalic Rats?

I'd like to add that Okam is a stud. But according to you I think all but 2 Horns players are busts waiting to happen. Do a little research before you preach blasphemy. Your not Al Sharpton.

[marchetta]

Demarrio Pressley, Chris Ellis.

Chris Ellis DE Virginia Tech
STRENGTHS
Chris has the size, speed and athleticism to be a pretty good player at the next level. He does a good job rushing the passer and when he gives the effort, he is very difficult to stop. When he gets off the ball and into the backfield quickly, he can cause all sorts of havoc. Chris looks the part of a big time pass rusher and if he is drafted by the right team and has the right coach, he could turn into the type of player who is a situational pass rusher that can impact right away.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE
Once you get your hands on Chris, he is easy to neutralize. He also has good speed, but I don’t feel he has shown me a consistent burst off the line of scrimmage. Chris does a very bad job at the point of attack, which makes him a liability as a defensive lineman or a linebacker. He also does not show any lateral agility to be used as a LB in pass defense. Right now, Chris takes a lot of false steps because he is either thinking too much or does not really know his assignment. What I see is a talented kid who has not improved from year to year.

TALENT BOARD ROUND: 4 M
Let’s see, a talented kid who does not improve from year to year, does not do well when defending against the run, lacks effort on every play, does not finish his pass rush if hands are laid on him…did I leave anything out? I’m not going to bother to do a search on him for character issues -- I will let you do that yourself. He is a kid that if he starts to take the game of football seriously, he could be a solid player. But for me personally, I’m not going to spend money on a kid that might show up after he signs a big contract or will show up for his contract year only. Chris strikes me as that type of player! He has played better this year than he did last year, but he still has not improved his play. He just played better. He doesn’t want any part of defending at the point of attack, which is an attitude issue and not a talent issue. This kid could be a situational pass rusher, but I’m not sure he has the quickness like Mark Anderson (DE Chicago Bears). I guess we will find that out at the combine providing he works out. Something tells me he won’t.

- Drew Boylhart (thehuddlereport.com)

[Big Dakota]

Right. But what about the link to the article? You don't have to post the article.


Still have to but it and i won't buy anything from those morons.

[hendog]

Personally I would like to have Charles as a speed back.

[Doomsday101]

Personally I would like to have Charles as a speed back.

I agree. The only thing I would be opposed to is reaching for him. I think Charles in the 3rd rd would be a good pick I would have an issue with the selection in the 1st or 2nd rd

[silverbear]

He happens to be right about Charles.

No, he's not... there are not ten better backs in this draft class than Jamaal, and anybody who says there is is either completely clueless, or completely lost in his Horns hatred...

And you have to admit, you're the opposite when it comes to UT players. You often let your bias blind you and you overrate them.

I don't have to admit any such thing, if only because it ain't true... I like SOME Horns players (like Sweed and Charles this year), and some of them I don't want any part of (like Frank Okam this year)...

I'd also say that history has judged the Horns players that I have liked in years past rather well... Roy Williams, Derrick Johnson, Ricky Williams, Vince Young, Casey Hampton, Leonard Davis, Derrick Dockery, Quentin Jammer, Aaron Ross and Chris Simms are all players that I have touted in the past... I have been told that most if not all of these players were "garbage", by self-appointed "experts" who were really nothing but Horns haters... all but Simms have had pretty solid NFL careers thus far... I'd take any one of them on the Cowboys right now, no questions asked (I wouldn't want to replace Romo with either Vince or Chris, though, they'd strictly be backups here, LOL)...

I'd even take Ricky at a bargain price, to be Barber's backup...

Nope, while I make no bones about being a Horns fan, I only tout those players that I think will make good pros, who might be able to help the Cowboys... if I don't think they have game, I say so, pretty clearly...

[silverbear]

Hm, I didn't know the Longhorns had a roster that consisted of two players?

Oh, so you don't just indulge in knee-jerk hatred of anything that wears burnt orange?? OK, I'll take your word for it... perhaps you're just clueless when it comes to evaluating college talent...

I'd like to add that Okam is a stud.

Wrong again...

But according to you I think all but 2 Horns players are busts waiting to happen.

Well, if you say rather outrageous things about those 2 Horns players, and never seem to say anything positive about any of their other prospects, it's a natural, even logical, assumption to come to...

[Rack Bauer]

No, he's not... there are not ten better backs in this draft class than Jamaal, and anybody who says there is is either completely clueless, or completely lost in his Horns hatred...


Yes, someone has a differing opinion than yours so they must be haters or clueless.


Grow up, SB. You're too old to act like a moron.


I like the horns and happen to think Charles is OVERRATED. And I know a thing or two about RBs.

[Bob Sacamano]

reading this just made my day

YES!

[windward]

Still have to but it and i won't buy anything from those morons.
Why not?

You may find out we may sign Drayton Florence.

and that alone, is worth a year's subscription.

[windward]

reading this just made my day

YES!
aren't we living the charmed existence nowadays?

BTW, I've converted to the Chris Johnson bandwagon.

[Vintage]

SOB....I keep forgetting to cancel my subscription to scout....

[windward]

SOB....I keep forgetting to cancel my subscription to scout....
Is it one of those things that auto renews every year ?

I hate those things.

[Vintage]

Is it one of those things that auto renews every year ?

I hate those things.

Yeah. I meant to cancel it two years ago....but I keep forgetting to do it. It doesn't end until March.....so.....I think I may keep it until March to get as much draft news from them as I can.

And hopefully, I will actually remember to cancel it this time around...

[yimyammer]

I would love too but I could get my account suspended if they found out and it says it clear as day to not copy and paste the article.

I assume that's because it's a pay site?

If so, can you at least post the link to the site so we can decide whether or not we would like to subscribe?

thx

[Goldenrichards83]

reading this just made my day

YES!I figured it would. I pay the monthly subscription for 9.95 during the offseason when they have alot of info about the draft. I cancel it when the season begins because there isn't much info.

[Goldenrichards83]

I assume that's because it's a pay site?

If so, can you at least post the link to the site so we can decide whether or not we would like to subscribe?

thx I already did but here it is again. http://dal.scout.com/a.z?s=112&p=2&c=722794&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fdal.scout.com%2f2%2f7227 94.html

[Bleu Star]

Who is Chris Johnson?

3. Chris Johnson - East Carolina (Pirates) - This guy can fly, he ran 4.2 and was 200 pounds, he averaged 6.0 yards a carry while scoring 17 touchdowns for the EC Pirates. He is a solid running back but can also catch out of the backfield because he caught 37 passes for 6 touchdowns while posting over 500 yards receiving, he averaged 15.1 yards a carry and rushed for 301 yards against Memphis scoring 4 times on 20 catches he is a solid all-around player.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/jaysfan67/129357/

[StylisticS]

No, he's not... there are not ten better backs in this draft class than Jamaal, and anybody who says there is is either completely clueless, or completely lost in his Horns hatred...
...

Hilarious, isn't it. I do not understand why we must tear down Charles to talk up other backs. Look, he struggled at the beginning of the season. But he improved dramatically towards the end of the season. He is one of the fastest backs in this draft. He has fumbling problems. But from the looks of Chris Johnson profile (who I also like alot), he does as well. A dozen or ten backs? I'd like to for people to name those dozen or ten backs better than Charles. Also, if he is a step below Johnson. He's not that far behind him.

[Bob Sacamano]

aren't we living the charmed existence nowadays?

BTW, I've converted to the Chris Johnson bandwagon.

good for you, and I stole a couple players for my mock ;)

I figured it would. I pay the monthly subscription for 9.95 during the offseason when they have alot of info about the draft. I cancel it when the season begins because there isn't much info.

good stuff, thanks a bunch

[IronCowboy]

We all are on the Chris Johnson bandwagon.

[Hailmary]

We all are on the Chris Johnson bandwagon.

And after the combine, the whole league will be too.

I'll be surprised if he's still on the board w/ our 22nd pick.

[Bob Sacamano]

And after the combine, the whole league will be too.

I'll be surprised if he's still on the board w/ our 22nd pick.

:yousuck: don't say that

if both Leodis AND Chris Johnson are gone before 22, I'll cry lol

[Goldenrichards83]

:yousuck: don't say that

if both Leodis AND Chris Johnson are gone before 22, I'll cry lolMe and you both.

[yimyammer]

I already did but here it is again. http://dal.scout.com/a.z?s=112&p=2&c=722794&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fdal.scout.com%2f2%2f7227 94.html
I didn't get down far enough to see you posted the link before I asked the question, thanks again!

[ZB9]

Many think he'll run the fastest 40 time in this class.

ill take that bet. Im putting my money on Jamaal Charles :)

[Rack Bauer]

Hilarious, isn't it. I do not understand why we must tear down Charles to talk up other backs. Look, he struggled at the beginning of the season. But he improved dramatically towards the end of the season. He is one of the fastest backs in this draft. He has fumbling problems. But from the looks of Chris Johnson profile (who I also like alot), he does as well. A dozen or ten backs? I'd like to for people to name those dozen or ten backs better than Charles. Also, if he is a step below Johnson. He's not that far behind him.

:rolleyes:


I said there were 10 better backs then Charles and I didn't even talk up any other RB.

There goes your twisted theory.



Jamaal Charles is a hyped up version of Tyson Thompson.

[theogt]

Hilarious, isn't it. I do not understand why we must tear down Charles to talk up other backs. Look, he struggled at the beginning of the season. But he improved dramatically towards the end of the season. He is one of the fastest backs in this draft. He has fumbling problems. But from the looks of Chris Johnson profile (who I also like alot), he does as well. A dozen or ten backs? I'd like to for people to name those dozen or ten backs better than Charles. Also, if he is a step below Johnson. He's not that far behind him.Darren McFadden
Tashard Choice
Jonathan Stewart
Felix Jones
Rashard Mendenhall
Chris Johnson
Ray Rice
Kevin Smith
Mike Hart
Matt Forte

There's 10 I'd take over him. Maybe even Steve Slaton too.

[StylisticS]

I said there were 10 better backs then Charles and I didn't even talk up any other RB.

There goes your twisted theory.



Jamaal Charles is a hyped up version of Tyson Thompson.

My comment was not towards you but in general. I did not single out anyone with that comment. So I didn't twist any theory whatsoever.

[StylisticS]

Darren McFadden
Tashard Choice
Jonathan Stewart
Felix Jones
Rashard Mendenhall
Chris Johnson
Ray Rice
Kevin Smith
Mike Hart
Matt Forte

There's 10 I'd take over him. Maybe even Steve Slaton too.

We all have opinions. But I think Jamaal Charles is every bit as good as Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, and Kevin Smith. Now I wouldn't put him in the class with McFadden, Stewart, Mendenhall, Hart, or Jones. But I think he's in that tier below them which would be a 3rd or 4th rounder. Guess we have to wait until the combines.

[Rack Bauer]

We all have opinions. But I think Jamaal Charles is every bit as good as Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, and Kevin Smith. Now I wouldn't put him in the class with McFadden, Stewart, Mendenhall, Hart, or Jones. But I think he's in that tier below them which would be a 3rd or 4th rounder. Guess we have to wait until the combines.

What do the combines have to do with anything? They have never EVER shown who a better football player is. They only show who is faster, quicker, jumps higher, etc...


Emmitt Smith in his prime would get OWNED at the underwear olympics, but there isn't a RB in this draft that can hold his jock as a football player.

[silverbear]

Yes, someone has a differing opinion than yours so they must be haters or clueless.


Grow up, SB. You're too old to act like a moron.

Coming from you, that's precious... you're every bit as quick to jump in somebody's face when you disagree with their opinion...

Fact-- Charles ranked 10th in the NCAA in rushing yards per game this year... ahead of him were 2 underclassmen who will be back for another year in 08, meaning he ranked 8th among Division I running back who are available in this draft... his draft rankings put him ahead of two of those eight backs, on virtually every board I've seen-- Matt Forte and Michael Hart... his yards per carry average ranked him second among those top 8 running backs, behind only Rashard Mendenhall...

Fact-- I can't find any draft site that currently rates Charles as low as 10th in this draft among the RBs... NFL Draft Countdown has him rated 7th, NFL Draft Scout has him rated 6th, Consensus Draft Services has him rated 7th, Draft Board Insider has him rated 4th, Draft Ace has him rated 4th, Football's Future ranks him 9th, NFL Draft Dog ranks him 6th, Walter's Football Site rates him the 9th best RB in this class...

That's no fewer than 8 different draft websites, ALL of them disagreeing with the notion that there are 10 better running backs in this draft than Jamaal Charles... I happen to agree that he's not one of the top 5 running backs in this class, but that's mostly a testimony to how talented and deep this group of running backs is...

IOW, Rack, no matter how highly you esteem your abilities as a talent evaluator, your take on Jamaal Charles is very much out of the mainstream... so once again, I assert that anybody who tries to tell you that there are ten better running backs available in this draft than Jamaal Charles is either completely clueless, or indulging in witless Horns hatred... you'll have to answer for yourself which is the case here...

[silverbear]

:rolleyes:


I said there were 10 better backs then Charles and I didn't even talk up any other RB.

There goes your twisted theory.



Jamaal Charles is a hyped up version of Tyson Thompson.

Gee, when did Tyson ever run for 1600 yards in college?? When did he ever average 6.2 yards per carry for his college career?? When did he run for over 3000 yards for his career, or score 39 TDs, or catch 49 passes??

Tyson Thompson never did anything CLOSE to what Jamaal Charles did in college, and he didn't play at as high a level of competition as Charles did... your comparison is beyond ASININE here... the ONLY thing the two have in common is straight line speed; Charles is far less straight-line, far more effective cutting, than Thompson ever was...

[silverbear]

Darren McFadden
Tashard Choice
Jonathan Stewart
Felix Jones
Rashard Mendenhall
Chris Johnson
Ray Rice
Kevin Smith
Mike Hart
Matt Forte

There's 10 I'd take over him. Maybe even Steve Slaton too.

Nobody with a lick of sense would take Hart or Forte or Choice over Charles...

[Rack Bauer]

Nobody with a lick of sense would take Hart or Forte or Choice over Charles...

THere you go again with the moronic comments.


I'm not as high on Choice as most around here, but he IS better theN Charles and will be a better Pro.


The only knock on Hart is his ability to stay healthy.


Get off Charles' jock, SB. You're weighing him down.

[silverbear]

THere you go again with the moronic comments.


I'm not as high on Choice as most around here, but he IS better theN Charles and will be a better Pro.

Well, let's see-- Charles has played in 33 games, has 533 carries for 3328 yards and 36 TDs, a 6.2 yards per carry average... he has 49 receptions, for 539 yards and 3 more TDs, an 11.0 yards per catch average...

Choice has played in 13 more games, and has just 137 more yards rushing (3465 yards), for 28 TDs, a 5.0 yards per carry average... so he averaged 15.2 carries per game, compared to Jamaal's 16.1 carries per game, but has averaged only 75.3 yards per game compared to Jamaal's 100.9 yards per game... Tashard has 51 catches in those 46 games, for 288 yards and 0 TDs, a 7.0 yards per catch average... so he averaged 7.0 yards per catch....

So Choice is "better", but Charles averages more yards rushing per game (while averaging all of a half carry a game more), higher yards per carry average, more receptions per game, more yards receiving per game, and has more TDs per game...


So tell me, based on what exactly do you make the claim that Choice is "better" than Jamaal Charles?? What kind of funky curve are you grading on here?? I can tell you that none of the draft websites I've seen has Choice graded ahead of Charles...

So if there are moronic comments being made here, it ain't this ol' Bear making them... my opinions, unlike yours, are supported by FACTS...

[silverbear]

Get off Charles' jock, SB.

This from the same man who, earlier in the evening, told ME to "grow up"...

ROTFLMAO...

[silverbear]

On a completely unrelated note, Rack, is that pic in your sig your Charger as it currently looks, or just your goal for how it's going to look??

If it's a current pic of your ride, it's coming along quite nicely... IIRC, it's got the 383 in it, right??

[QT]

Choice looks okay in that video vs Notre Dame. That CJ kid is damn fast. I have a feeling his stock might rise after the combine. Remember another fast college player the Cowboys drafted in the 2nd round? Alexander Wright out of Auburn with 4.19 speed. ;) I'm on the CJ bandwagon.

[Rack Bauer]

On a completely unrelated note, Rack, is that pic in your sig your Charger as it currently looks, or just your goal for how it's going to look??

If it's a current pic of your ride, it's coming along quite nicely... IIRC, it's got the 383 in it, right??

Not my charger. It's my charger's inspiration. :D

Mine will have a 440 in it (it's almost built). I've got a 383 in the garage that I pulled from it, but I'm just looking to get rid of it.



I'll respond to the Charles/Choice comment later. Too tired right now.

[Alexander]

Yes, someone has a differing opinion than yours so they must be haters

Isn't that the standard message board etiquette?

[JonJon]

Now that he is out of the Senior Bowl, we just might be able to nab him in the 2nd round, but I do believe we would need to move up to do so. He would not last until our 2nd round selection.

[BraveHeartFan]

Chris Johnson is the kid I targeted as my wishlist RB for Dallas to replace Jones with about 4 months ago.

If this kid winds up falling into our laps I'll be so happy. My worry, however, is that once he runs the high 40 time, that he's supposedly able to run (Last I read he's ran a 4.28 40 time in the past) he might actually jump up the draft boards a lot, simply because of that kind of blazing speed.

[Alexander]

Chris Johnson is the kid I targeted as my wishlist RB for Dallas to replace Jones with about 4 months ago.

If this kid winds up falling into our laps I'll be so happy. My worry, however, is that once he runs the high 40 time, that he's supposedly able to run (Last I read he's ran a 4.28 40 time in the past) he might actually jump up the draft boards a lot, simply because of that kind of blazing speed.

Unless he injures himself or has a series of poor workouts, he will be at least a late first round choice, no question about it.

Speed like he supposedly has will not be ignored until the second round. If a players like Napoleon Kaufman, John Avery and Michael Bennett were late first round choices, then he will be.

[fortdick]

SO, the guys we have shown interest in include

WR E Doucet




I am not sure I would want a guy with a name that makes me think of feminine hygiene. Too much opportuntiy for ridicule and comparison.

[BraveHeartFan]

Yeah, see, that is my fear. He's going to run so damn fast that he's going to go from a mid-second rounder (Where we could move up and snag him) to a late first rounder where we'd have to use a first on him.

[fortdick]

Yeah, see, that is my fear. He's going to run so damn fast that he's going to go from a mid-second rounder (Where we could move up and snag him) to a late first rounder where we'd have to use a first on him.

Using the #28 pick on him would not be a bad thing. We have a need that he would fill perfectly. That would allow us to take a CB like Cason in the first and McKelvin in the second. (Yes, I am on the Troy bandwagon)

[silverbear]

Not my charger. It's my charger's inspiration. :D

Mine will have a 440 in it (it's almost built). I've got a 383 in the garage that I pulled from it, but I'm just looking to get rid of it.

Ahhh, that's where I got the notion that you had a 383... that's OK, the 440 is the second best engine Mopar ever made (bet you can guess the best one, LOL)... are you thinking about the 3 two barrel setup for it??

I'd suggest when it comes time to paint it, you think about one of the garish colors that were original Mopar, like LimeLight, or Plum Crazy, or even Hemi Orange (though the latter risks making your ride look like a General Lee wannabe)... nobody else made cars quite that hue...

I'll respond to the Charles/Choice comment later. Too tired right now.

I'm always around, ol' buddy...

[BlueStar II]

We will see WR Donny Avery has been clocked in the low 4.20s 5'11" WR out of U of H

:starspin Dooms, can you share some info./opinion on Avery since you're in the Houston area and he went to U of Houston? Would you mind sharing whatever you may know or think of him with us, thank you.

[JPM]

Ahhh, that's where I got the notion that you had a 383... that's OK, the 440 is the second best engine Mopar ever made (bet you can guess the best one, LOL)... are you thinking about the 3 two barrel setup for it??

I'd suggest when it comes time to paint it, you think about one of the garish colors that were original Mopar, like LimeLight, or Plum Crazy, or even Hemi Orange (though the latter risks making your ride look like a General Lee wannabe)... nobody else made cars quite that hue...

http://hem.passagen.se/nubbis4/engines/426.jpg

[Doomsday101]

:starspin Dooms, can you share some info./opinion on Avery since you're in the Houston area and he went to U of Houston? Would you mind sharing whatever you may know or think of him with us, thank you.

He is good WR with some damn good speed. Playing in C-USA and playing in a system like Houston Cougars run it could be argued that he is a product of the system they run. I think the guy is worth taking a chance on any where's from the 3rd rd on. I think people will see this speed at the combines where he and Johnson should impress scouts with their speed.

[Bob Sacamano]

I'll respond to the Charles/Choice comment later. Too tired right now.

I bet you are, because your *** got torn up

[IronCowboy]

Well boys' tomorrow we get to see these players in full speed in game action. Sure, you can look slow/fast/elusive in practice. But lets see guys like Mckelvin, Choice, Johnson, Richardson, Royal in full speed action.

Whats sad about it is, our team has left the Senior Bowl before the game even started.

[Bob Sacamano]

Well boys' tomorrow we get to see these players in full speed in game action. Sure, you can look slow/fast/elusive in practice. But lets see guys like Mckelvin, Choice, Johnson, Richardson, Royal in full speed action.

Whats sad about it is, our team has left the Senior Bowl before the game even started.

is CJ even going to participate?

[IronCowboy]

is CJ even going to participate?

I think? Did he get injured?

[theogt]

Well boys' tomorrow we get to see these players in full speed in game action. Sure, you can look slow/fast/elusive in practice. But lets see guys like Mckelvin, Choice, Johnson, Richardson, Royal in full speed action.

Whats sad about it is, our team has left the Senior Bowl before the game even started.Every team leaves before the game.

[IronCowboy]

Every team leaves before the game.

How can you scout on a TV?

[Bob Sacamano]

I think? Did he get injured?

yeah, I think it was his shoulder

[Juke99]

I have officially begun my annual "I ain't believing anything anyone says" program.

NOTHING anyone of these guys from any team can be believed.

When I see a player drafted, on draft day...and his name announced on ESPN...THEN I'll believe it.

:D

[theebs]

How can you scout on a TV?


The teams are there for the interviews and the individual workouts, and of course for the teams to talk to other coaches, cause some teams like us need to hire!!

The game is secondary I think, that is the way I have always taken it.

[Bob Sacamano]

How can you scout on a TV?

the workouts and drills are more important than the game

[IronCowboy]

I have officially begun my annual "I ain't believing anything anyone says" program.

NOTHING anyone of these guys from any team can be believed.

When I see a player drafted, on draft day...and his name announced on ESPN...THEN I'll believe it.

:D

ESPN is garbage. Especially for the draft. NFL Network has the best draft coverage I ever saw.

[theogt]

How can you scout on a TV?I usually do it with a beer in one hand and the remote in the other.

Seriously, though, they can "scout" better while watching the all-22 tape than they can being there and watching the game live. Who wants to spend another two days and nights in Mobile, Alabama if you don't have to?

[Bob Sacamano]

I usually do it with a beer in one hand and the remote in the other.

Seriously, though, they can "scout" better while watching the all-22 tape than they can being there and watching the game live. Who wants to spend another two days and nights in Mobile, Alabama if you don't have to?

lol, scouting the actual Senior BOwl game is like trying to evaluate your starters in the 1st preseason game, when they're in for only 2 or 3 series