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Juke99
10-24-2004, 09:01 PM
Parcells 'embarrassed' by Cowboys' 41-20 loss

By JEAN-JACQUES TAYLOR / The Dallas Morning News



GREEN BAY – The low point in Bill Parcells’ two-year tenure as the Cowboys coach came on a beautiful autumn afternoon in a city known as “Titletown.”

That’s where the Green Bay Packers embarrassed Parcells, whose team played what he called its worst performance since owner Jerry Jones hired him to make America’s Team an elite franchise again.


Brad Loper / DMN
Green Bay's Javon Walker celebrates a touchdown as the Cowboys' Terence Newman walks away. Brett Favre threw two touchdown passes and Ahman Green scored on a 90-yard touchdown run as Green Bay lambasted the Cowboys, 40-21, before 70,679 cheering “Cheeseheads” at Lambeau Field, where Dallas is 0-4.

The Cowboys (2-4) trail Philadelphia by four games in the NFC East and have lost three consecutive game under Parcells for the first time.

They are 7-10 since a surprising 5-1 start in 2003 that propelled Dallas to the playoffs for the first time since 1999.

And it doesn’t get any easier next week, when the Cowboys host surprising Detroit (4-2), which has won three consecutive road games.

“We don’t have a chance right now,” Parcells said. “This is certainly the low point for me in my tenure in Dallas. There isn’t any question about it. I’m embarrassed to put a team on the field that looks like that.”

He’s embarrassed by a defensive unit that gave up seven consecutive scoring drives to start the game. And he’s embarrassed by a unit that allowed Green Bay to gain 480 yards – 220 rushing and 260 passing.

And he’s embarrassed by a unit that allowed a 90-yard touchdown run in the fourth quarter.

Parcells preaches unity.

He spends hours talking to his team about not letting fans, friends, agents, spouses or the media divide the team.

The reason he doesn’t let his assistant coaches talk to the meida during the season is becaue he wants the team to have one voice.

But Parcells blamed this loss on the defense.

“I can only talk about one side of the team. Offensively, we executed pretty well,” Parcells said. “Defensively, we don’t tackle. We don’t look like we know what we’re doing.

“That was a bad beating. We didn’t slow them down. They just totally manhandled us in every way. If we don’t play better on defense than we did today, we don’t have a chance to win another game.”

Favre completed 23 of 29 passes for 258 yards. Green rushed for 163 yards and two touchdowns.

Green had not rushed for 100 yards in four games.

“It’s embarrassing,” defensive tackle La’Roi Glover said. “It’s probably the worst defensive game that I’ve ever been involved in.

“Every person on this team has to look in the mirror and decide what he wants to become because this isn’t getting it done.”

An emotional Roy Williams apologized to Parcells, defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer and the fans for the worst defensive performance of the season.

“The frustrating part is that we show spurts of fighting, but sometimes we don’t fight. There’s no excuses for the way we played today.

“Either we’re together, or we’re going to divide. We can’t let ourselves be broken up or we’re going to be back like two years ago when [Dave] Campo was the head coach and we were just playing for kicks.”

LaTunaNostra
10-24-2004, 09:03 PM
He spends hours talking to his team about not letting fans, friends, agents, spouses or the media divide the team.


Hear, hear!

But take one of those hours and spend it on tackling, please, Bill.

Gaede
10-24-2004, 09:05 PM
Parcells 'embarrassed' by Cowboys' 41-20 loss....
“The frustrating part is that we show spurts of fighting, but sometimes we don’t fight. There’s no excuses for the way we played today.

“Either we’re together, or we’re going to divide. We can’t let ourselves be broken up or we’re going to be back like two years ago when [Dave] Campo was the head coach and we were just playing for kicks.”


Man, what I would give to see Roy play strictly in the box. Put a free safety back there and let Roy run wild.

junk
10-24-2004, 09:05 PM
“Either we’re together, or we’re going to divide. We can’t let ourselves be broken up or we’re going to be back like two years ago when [Dave] Campo was the head coach and we were just playing for kicks.”

Ouch. Dave got dissed.

boysfanindc
10-24-2004, 09:07 PM
Unfortunately this defense has no chance at being good. That was decided on the off season.

I feel sorry for Glover, Ellis, Dat and Roy for having to deal with BP mess.

But in typical BP style he seperates the team and blames the players he fielded.

MichaelWinicki
10-24-2004, 09:08 PM
Hear, hear!

But take one of those hours and spend it on tackling, please, Bill.


Why doesn't someone spend some coin and hire a secondary coach so Zimmer doesn't have have to split his duties.

And while they're at it, fire Jeffcoat. He's done nothing for the defensive ends.

Nors
10-24-2004, 09:09 PM
Last 2 games -

Opposing QB's are:

21-25 Roth
23-29 Favre

yeagh we in this wuss 4-3 cover 2 are concerning offenses. Thts 4 turnovers in 6 games - tomorrow we officially are the last in NFL in turnovers. WHATS FUNNY IS WE SUCK more than Bills, Dolphins..........

Gaede
10-24-2004, 09:09 PM
no doubt Parcells made mistakes in the offseason, but does that mean players are exempt from making tackles on Sundays?

This season has been a deadly combination of poor personnel decisions and generally bad play

Hostile
10-24-2004, 09:12 PM
Hard hitting article about a soft tackling team.

Ironic.

big dog cowboy
10-24-2004, 09:16 PM
"Parcells 'embarrassed' by Cowboys' 41-20 loss"

Then do something about it.

Telling me about it doesn't mean SQUAT! :mad:

The Great Number 8
10-24-2004, 09:20 PM
Unfortunately this defense has no chance at being good. That was decided on the off season.

I feel sorry for Glover, Ellis, Dat and Roy for having to deal with BP mess.

But in typical BP style he seperates the team and blames the players he fielded.

How many changes would ANY of us made to the defense last year. Defense was the only reason we made the playoffs last year. This defense held teams to six games to 7 points or less and you never lose when that happens.

We got rid of Ekuban and Edwards, the two most hated Cowboys last year and Blade, who seems to be having trouble elsewhere. We replaced with Wiley, which no one believed was a downgrade, and used Hunter, who was at least a 50/50 shot of being as good as Edwards.

I have no idea why we are so bad this year, but somehow I can't believe our success was based on Wilie Blade, Mario Edwards and Ekuban. The only thing I can think of is that Woodson is out, and just like in 2002 when he got hurt against Indy, the defense became a train wreck soon after.

jimmy40
10-24-2004, 09:22 PM
Hard hitting article about a soft tackling team.

Ironic.
We've been a soft tackling team for years, and it starts at linebacker. Yes, this is another cheap ploy by me to get in the name Derrick Johnson.

Nors
10-24-2004, 09:24 PM
How many changes would ANY of us made to the defense last year. Defense was the only reason we made the playoffs last year. This defense held teams to six games to 7 points or less and you never lose when that happens.

We got rid of Ekuban and Edwards, the two most hated Cowboys last year and Blade, who seems to be having trouble elsewhere. We replaced with Wiley, which no one believed was a downgrade, and used Hunter, who was at least a 50/50 shot of being as good as Edwards.

I have no idea why we are so bad this year, but somehow I can't believe our success was based on Wilie Blade, Mario Edwards and Ekuban. The only thing I can think of is that Woodson is out, and just like in 2002 when he got hurt against Indy, the defense became a train wreck soon after.


Last year we won TOP, this year we are losing it. This year we are last in NFL in turnovers.


Thats on your pansy 4-3 cover 2 defense. Wuss like.

DallasKnight
10-24-2004, 09:29 PM
No days off, No time off. Start tomorrow and make them learn all the basics again. Make them run. Make them tackle. Make them do 2 a days on Monday and Tuesdays till you turn this team around. That was a mockery of a game. That wasn't a game, that was... was... a d@mn waste of my time and all the other fans that watched it.

No excuses, get it done.

Mr Cowboy
10-24-2004, 09:30 PM
and used Hunter, who was at least a 50/50 shot of being as good as Edwards.

But the bad thing is that the other side is the problem......that's right the side of our shutdown corner............

Kittymama
10-24-2004, 09:32 PM
Unfortunately this defense has no chance at being good. That was decided on the off season.

I feel sorry for Glover, Ellis, Dat and Roy for having to deal with BP mess.

But in typical BP style he seperates the team and blames the players he fielded.

Ya know, I'm getting a bit tired of your posts today. I'm calling you out too, as I did some others in another post. Put up or shut up. Name the players who should have been signed--given the salaries they got from their teams--& fit it into the salary cap.

Also, please tell us how they've spurred the teams they're with to superb positions this year.

Nors
10-24-2004, 09:32 PM
No days off, No time off. Start tomorrow and make them learn all the basics again. Make them run. Make them tackle. Make them do 2 a days on Monday and Tuesdays till you turn this team around. That was a mockery of a game. That wasn't a game, that was... was... a d@mn waste of my time and all the other fans that watched it.

No excuses, get it done.

doing suicides all day until they all broke down..............

Zman5
10-24-2004, 09:35 PM
Why doesn't someone spend some coin and hire a secondary coach so Zimmer doesn't have have to split his duties.

And while they're at it, fire Jeffcoat. He's done nothing for the defensive ends.


I agree. Get someone that teaches the DBs to look back for the ball. Even Campo's DB's in Cleveland were looking back for the ball against the Eagles.

boysfanindc
10-24-2004, 09:36 PM
How many changes would ANY of us made to the defense last year. Defense was the only reason we made the playoffs last year. This defense held teams to six games to 7 points or less and you never lose when that happens.

We got rid of Ekuban and Edwards, the two most hated Cowboys last year and Blade, who seems to be having trouble elsewhere. We replaced with Wiley, which no one believed was a downgrade, and used Hunter, who was at least a 50/50 shot of being as good as Edwards.

I have no idea why we are so bad this year, but somehow I can't believe our success was based on Wilie Blade, Mario Edwards and Ekuban. The only thing I can think of is that Woodson is out, and just like in 2002 when he got hurt against Indy, the defense became a train wreck soon after.

They knew Blade was not working out in the off season but did nothing about it until the beginning of the season.

They knew Woodson had a back problem all off season and did nothing about it until the beginning of the season.

They knew they were going to let Mario go, and thought the could coach Hunter and Mitchell up, neither of them playing one not on the team.

The screwed up signing Wiley, when Berry, Winstrom signed else where.

They thought Carson could play.

They though Dixon could play.

Yeah, your right no way to see if comming and do something about it.

DMX6990
10-24-2004, 09:37 PM
I agree. Get someone that teaches the DBs to look back for the ball. Even Campo's DB's in Cleveland were looking back for the ball against the Eagles.

And that's really help out the Brown defence didn't it today. Maybe just, maybe the talent level is not as good as we had hoped.

DanteEXT
10-24-2004, 09:39 PM
How many changes would ANY of us made to the defense last year. Defense was the only reason we made the playoffs last year. This defense held teams to six games to 7 points or less and you never lose when that happens.

We got rid of Ekuban and Edwards, the two most hated Cowboys last year and Blade, who seems to be having trouble elsewhere. We replaced with Wiley, which no one believed was a downgrade, and used Hunter, who was at least a 50/50 shot of being as good as Edwards.

I have no idea why we are so bad this year, but somehow I can't believe our success was based on Wilie Blade, Mario Edwards and Ekuban. The only thing I can think of is that Woodson is out, and just like in 2002 when he got hurt against Indy, the defense became a train wreck soon after.

I'd say Woodson. Wasn't he filling the role that Teague had on the 'boys with directing the secondary?

boysfanindc
10-24-2004, 09:50 PM
Ya know, I'm getting a bit tired of your posts today. I'm calling you out too, as I did some others in another post. Put up or shut up. Name the players who should have been signed--given the salaries they got from their teams--& fit it into the salary cap.

Also, please tell us how they've spurred the teams they're with to superb positions this year.

Gladly, realizing that the best way to protect a D is a ball control offense.

The first thing I would of done was sign Duce, called for it all off season. He was reasonably priced and has a chance because of his age to play out his contract. Our biggest problem is no running game. We get field goals because of no running game. TOP is less because no running game. The running game would of helped the D dramatically.

The second most important thing was solving the CB position once it was decided to let Mario go. Not only did we not do anything in free agency aka Springs, Taylor, Vincent hell Tyrone cheap and early. But we did not draft a corner until very late in the draft. Who would of thunk that? Anyone? Not only that but BP big nickel back Mithchell did not even make the team. So sign Duce and go corner high 1 or 2 or bring in Springs, Taylor etc. But do someting. How was this not going to be a problem.

Third, other then Wiley I believe Winstron, Berry, Kerse where on the market. Kearse was over rated, Winstron to much but how about Lang who was in our division.

We knew Blade was not working out in the off season, so do something.

We knew Woodson was hurt, so do something, how about a guy on the cheap like Bowen, anything.

The fact is we did nothing knowing we had all these problems.

Go figure.

Call me out if you must, but anyone not looking thru rose clored glasses knew we had problems before the first kick off.

percyhoward
10-24-2004, 10:14 PM
I have no idea why we are so bad this year, but somehow I can't believe our success was based on Wilie Blade, Mario Edwards and Ekuban.
Our success was based on the fact that we played 7 of 16 games against teams whose offenses ranked in the bottom ten in the NFL.

And no games against teams whose offense ranked in the top nine.

Today we played the NFL's #2 offense. We opened the season against the #1 offense. Even the Giants were #7 coming into today.

Last year we gave up 20+ points in five of the six games we played against winning teams.

This year we have held two teams below 20 points. Both of those teams went into Sunday's games with offenses ranked in the bottom ten.

TheSkaven
10-24-2004, 10:29 PM
Unfortunately this defense has no chance at being good. That was decided on the off season.

I feel sorry for Glover, Ellis, Dat and Roy for having to deal with BP mess.

But in typical BP style he seperates the team and blames the players he fielded.
Well, you can blame it on fiscal responsibility. While another team in the division lavished money on Jevon Kearse, a difference maker, another more prudent team signed Marcellus Wiley, a bust. Sometimes you get what you pay for, folks.

The third and long conversions are killing this team. There is absolutely no up-front pressure. Many of us were fooled by last year's team, but for whatever reason Zimmer is afraid to blitz this year.

crazylegs
10-24-2004, 10:35 PM
Well, you can blame it on fiscal responsibility. While another team in the division lavished money on Jevon Kearse, a difference maker, another more prudent team signed Marcellus Wiley, a bust. Sometimes you get what you pay for, folks.

The third and long conversions are killing this team. There is absolutely no up-front pressure. Many of us were fooled by last year's team, but for whatever reason Zimmer is afraid to blitz this year.

"Many of us were fooled by last year's team,"

Not this cat.

ravidubey
10-24-2004, 11:33 PM
We need a huge influx of talent so our coaches don't have to keep shining their mirrors and turning on their smoke machines every week. Chris Collingsworth said it best when he noted how the Cowboys get blown off the ball when they play straight up.

If BP has any staying power how can this defensive scheme and personnel survive? It hasn't really worked against quality competition since 1996. We enjoy some good matchups like vs. NE last year or Washington every year, but this defense just doesn't matchup against most teams well.

Dat probably peaked last season, Coakely has been bad for a while now, and even Ekuban was better than Wiley and neither are what I'd consider good.

Glover gets worn out, the DT besides him is a guy, and Ellis is about average. Newman is a good corner and Roy is a quality player, but the coaching does not put them in positions to succeed. It seems like there's very little teaching happening on defense. And let's not even discuss the gaping holes at FS and the other CB spot.

Offenses figured Dallas' schemes out late last season, and Dallas has not improved or changed.

Chuck 54
10-25-2004, 05:33 AM
“I can only talk about one side of the team. Offensively, we executed pretty well,” Parcells said. “Defensively, we don’t tackle. We don’t look like we know what we’re doing.

“That was a bad beating. We didn’t slow them down. They just totally manhandled us in every way. If we don’t play better on defense than we did today, we don’t have a chance to win another game.”


sounds like we're already divided to me, starting with Parcells....

If he thinks scoring 13 points before garbage time in the 4th quarter is executing pretty well, then we have problems on both sides of the ball...the offense was not going to win this game.

Bill Wooten
10-25-2004, 07:39 AM
Well, you can blame it on fiscal responsibility. While another team in the division lavished money on Jevon Kearse, a difference maker, another more prudent team signed Marcellus Wiley, a bust. Sometimes you get what you pay for, folks.

The third and long conversions are killing this team. There is absolutely no up-front pressure. Many of us were fooled by last year's team, but for whatever reason Zimmer is afraid to blitz this year.
I would have loved to see Dallas sign someone like Kearse. However, Kearse would not be the difference maker in Dallas like he is in Philly. Kearse makes a living my running around o-linemen and sacking the QB. In Dallas, he would be told to engage the o-linemen and nullify his advantage.

SA_Gunslinger
10-25-2004, 08:34 AM
i'm embarrassed too.

it's the campo years all over again.

ugh.

Hollywood Henderson
10-25-2004, 09:05 AM
True Bill...
zimmy/squiggy WUSS would have a player like the freak and say shoots, lets just drop him back into coverage, yeah..thats it...

FIRE zimmy wuss NOW!