another political pairing test.

[jterrell]

http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460


My results.


Hillary Clinton
Score: 78
Agree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment
Disagree
Immigration
Education

Barack Obama
Score: 78
Video Agree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment
Disagree
Immigration
Education

[Cajuncowboy]

JT, I'm curious, what was your answer to the question about the tax cuts? Keep them or get rid of them?

[silverbear]

http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460


My results.


Hillary Clinton
Score: 78
Agree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment
Disagree
Immigration
Education

Barack Obama
Score: 78
Video Agree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment
Disagree
Immigration
Education

Wow, you must be a hard-core liberal, my man... Hillary and Obama topped my list too, but only with a score of 34... McCain and Romney bring up the rear at 12... so it looks like I won't be voting Republican, but if Hillary is the candidate, I won't be voting Democratic either...

My problem with Hillary is she's too calculating, to the extent that I wind up thinking she doesn't really stand for anything, other than getting herself elected... it started when she moved to New York to run for the Senate... now, I don't have the first clue what she really stands for...

Oh, I know that all politicians have to pander to the general populace, but it's my perception that she carries it to an extreme that few approach... McCain is the same way, I liked him when he stood up against the excesses of the Bush administration, then he decided he wanted to be president, and suddenly his positions start changing... in the regard, he's not much better than Romney, who is the GOP's answer to John Kerry...

So I can't vote for Hillary, under any circumstances... my joke about writing in Jimmy Buffett's name becomes less and less satirical with each passing day...

I will say I liked the questions in this one better than some of the political survey's I've taken...

[windward]

Clinton 38
Obama 38
McCain 17
Romney 12

[jterrell]

JT, I'm curious, what was your answer to the question about the tax cuts? Keep them or get rid of them?

dump them.

we need to balance the budget and reduce our deficit and pay for universal healthcare.

[jterrell]

Wow, you must be a hard-core liberal, my man... Hillary and Obama topped my list too, but only with a score of 34... McCain and Romney bring up the rear at 12... so it looks like I won't be voting Republican, but if Hillary is the candidate, I won't be voting Democratic either...

My problem with Hillary is she's too calculating, to the extent that I wind up thinking she doesn't really stand for anything, other than getting herself elected... it started when she moved to New York to run for the Senate... now, I don't have the first clue what she really stands for...

Oh, I know that all politicians have to pander to the general populace, but it's my perception that she carries it to an extreme that few approach... McCain is the same way, I liked him when he stood up against the excesses of the Bush administration, then he decided he wanted to be president, and suddenly his positions start changing... in the regard, he's not much better than Romney, who is the GOP's answer to John Kerry...

So I can't vote for Hillary, under any circumstances... my joke about writing in Jimmy Buffett's name becomes less and less satirical with each passing day...

I will say I liked the questions in this one better than some of the political survey's I've taken...

Its just in the weight you give each answer.

[PosterChild]

I took it and failed.

[heavyg]

mine:

Mitt Romney
Score: 40
Agree:
Iraq
Taxes
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree:
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Gun Control
Environment
Education


John McCain
Score: 39
Agree:
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Disagree:
Immigration
Health Care
Social Security
Energy
Marriage
Environment
Education


Mike Huckabee
Score: 35
Agree:
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment
Disagree:
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Energy
Education


Ron Paul
Score: 25
Agree
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Gun Control
Education
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Environment


Rudy Giuliani
Score: 22
Agree
Iraq
Taxes
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Gun Control
Environment
Education


Barack Obama
Score: 15
Video Agree
Health Care
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Gun Control
Environment
Education


Hillary Clinton
Score: 15
Agree
Health Care
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Gun Control
Environment
Education


Mike Gravel
Score: 5
Agree
Health Care
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment
Education

[theogt]

McCain - 45
Giuliani - 45
Romney - 39

[jterrell]

I took it and failed.

So did George W but he won two terms anyways:)

I kid, I kid, but that was too big a softball.

[zrinkill]

John McCain - 65
Mitt Romney - 63
Rudy Giuliani - 48
Mike Huckabee - 47
Ron Paul - 43
Barack Obama - 17
Hilary Clinton - 10
Mike Gravel - 7


I am actually a little shocked.

[trickblue]

Mitt Romney
John McCain
Mike Huckabee
Rudy Giuliani
Ron Paul
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton

[Duane]

Clinton 51
Obama 51

[utrunner07]

dump them.

we need to balance the budget and reduce our deficit and pay for universal healthcare.


I don't understand why any one would want universal health care...it is just another big step down the road to a socialist state. jterrell, I have never had anyone explain to me why universal health care would be a good idea, in all seriousness I would like for you to tell me why you think it would be. Mind you these people that you want handling your health care finances are the same ones screwing up the retirement for millions. But really, please tell me how you think so maybe I can at least understand y'alls thinking. Thanks.

[jterrell]

I don't understand why any one would want universal health care...it is just another big step down the road to a socialist state. jterrell, I have never had anyone explain to me why universal health care would be a good idea, in all seriousness I would like for you to tell me why you think it would be. Mind you these people that you want handling your health care finances are the same ones screwing up the retirement for millions. But really, please tell me how you think so maybe I can at least understand y'alls thinking. Thanks.

My argument for this is present many times in these forums but I know you seem a recent addition so I will gladly elaborate here.

We need universal health care because it is a social health issue.
We have to enforce the coverage as we do with car insurance to protect all of us.

How many dollars are spent each year by the average family of four because of people who do not have health insurance? How many days missed of school or work?

We already provide Medicaid and Medicare and VA Health. We are talking about expanding those programs and enforcing health coverage. The lowest level health care would be Medicare/Medicaid and it would suck. It would not be free for more than the SCHIP plan proposed but veto'd by GWB would provide, but would be reasonably priced. We would get the effect of a huge group rate plan to offset costs.

At higher ends everyone would be eligible for the healthcare plan the Senate has. It would require paying for it of course but it would be available. And the Senators are not complaining about their coverage.

And I see the argument present in almost every argument that the government has crappy programs so why have more. My response is which programs do we cut? Do we cut them all? Do we end Medicaid and Medicare? Do we stop delivering social security checks? If we in fact see that the programs are not something we want to do without in most cases why argue against adding another dealing with our most precious resource: our health.

Private companies also run like crap frequently. Many are only in business because of the bailouts of the government. So there is no bullet proof system. Both would require strong management and leadership. I do favor offering financial rewards in the manner of bonuses for well run governmental organizations but I do not favor allowing them to become publicly traded and then respondent to the whims of the market or shareholders. We already see too much short term panacea at work with private businesses.

We are behind the times in the US in a number of areas and this is one of them. This plan is not socialism anymore than any other plan. It is not going to offer everyone free health care. It is going to place a responsibility on people to carry coverage.

A lot of companies(such as mine) and a lot of states are doing similar things already. Massachusetts has a very similar plan and it apparently works great.

[TheKey]

Mitt Romney
Score: 52
Agree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Disagree
Stem-Cell Research
Energy
Environment
Education
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
If universial hc is so good why do canadians come here to get away from it??

[Doomsday101]

John McCain
Score: 40
Agree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty



Mike Huckabee
Score: 33
Video Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty






Barack Obama
Score: 11
Agree
Energy
Death Penalty
Environment
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Gun Control
Education


Hillary Clinton
Score: 11
Agree
Energy
Death Penalty
Environment
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Gun Control
Education

[Doomsday101]

Mitt Romney
Score: 52
Agree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Disagree
Stem-Cell Research
Energy
Environment
Education
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
If universial hc is so good why do canadians come here to get away from it??


Not to mention you don't see the same level of massive law suite as we see in the US that help to run up the cost of health care something few want to deal with.

[AbeBeta]

Hillary 46
Obama 46
Gravel 27
Romney 13 (the freak agrees with me on Stem Cells)
McCain 12
Huckabee 12

What they don't ask is which candidate motivates and inspires every time he speaks?

That's the kicker for me and why I voted Obama

[TheKey]

Not to mention you don't see the same level of massive law suite as we see in the US that help to run up the cost of health care something few want to deal with.

Not to mention we dont see the absurdly long lines and outrageous wait times to see a doctor.

[Doomsday101]

I agree. Last time I went to the doctor’s office I had to have some test done. I was able to leave his office and drive down the street and have the test done the same day. By the way my Doctor is from Canada I know he is not crazy about their so called perfect system.

[Bach]

Mike Huckabee Score: 61

John McCain Score: 54

Barack Obama Score: 11

Hillary Clinton Score: 7

[ConcordCowboy]

Barack Obama
Score: 77
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment
Education

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes


Hillary Clinton
Score: 70

Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Education


Mitt Romney
Score: 35

Agree
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Energy
Death Penalty
Education

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Gun Control
Environment


John McCain
Score: 28

Agree
Taxes
Marriage
Death Penalty
Education

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Gun Control
Environment


Mike Huckabee
Score: 14

Agree
Death Penalty
Education

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Gun Control
Environment

[Doomsday101]

And some claim there is no division in this country. :laugh1:

[AbeBeta]

Not to mention we dont see the absurdly long lines and outrageous wait times to see a doctor.

funny, last time I tried to make an appointment to see a doctor for something pressing he couldn't see me for about a week and suggested I go to the ER. All I needed was some GD antibiotics for what I correctly assumed was strep throat. Go and wait at the ER for 4-5 hours or wait until the next week for an appointment.

Yeah, we don't have outrageous wait times.

[ConcordCowboy]

And some claim there is no division in this country. :laugh1:

I don't know who in their right mind would say that.

[theogt]

funny, last time I tried to make an appointment to see a doctor for something pressing he couldn't see me for about a week and suggested I go to the ER. All I needed was some GD antibiotics for what I correctly assumed was strep throat. Go and wait at the ER for 4-5 hours or wait until the next week for an appointment.

Yeah, we don't have outrageous wait times.Maybe you should move to a more dismal city like Houston. :) I can call in the morning and have an appointment in the afternoon or the next day at the latest. Unless it's something major.

[Doomsday101]

Maybe you should move to a more dismal city like Houston. :) I can call in the morning and have an appointment in the afternoon or the next day at the latest. Unless it's something major.

I agree. I live in Houston and getting a doctor’s appointment for me is no problem at all. As I mentioned I have seen the doctor and have been sent to a specialist for some tests all in the same day

[utrunner07]

My argument for this is present many times in these forums but I know you seem a recent addition so I will gladly elaborate here.

We need universal health care because it is a social health issue.
We have to enforce the coverage as we do with car insurance to protect all of us.

How many dollars are spent each year by the average family of four because of people who do not have health insurance? How many days missed of school or work?

We already provide Medicaid and Medicare and VA Health. We are talking about expanding those programs and enforcing health coverage. The lowest level health care would be Medicare/Medicaid and it would suck. It would not be free for more than the SCHIP plan proposed but veto'd by GWB would provide, but would be reasonably priced. We would get the effect of a huge group rate plan to offset costs.

At higher ends everyone would be eligible for the healthcare plan the Senate has. It would require paying for it of course but it would be available. And the Senators are not complaining about their coverage.

And I see the argument present in almost every argument that the government has crappy programs so why have more. My response is which programs do we cut? Do we cut them all? Do we end Medicaid and Medicare? Do we stop delivering social security checks? If we in fact see that the programs are not something we want to do without in most cases why argue against adding another dealing with our most precious resource: our health.

Private companies also run like crap frequently. Many are only in business because of the bailouts of the government. So there is no bullet proof system. Both would require strong management and leadership. I do favor offering financial rewards in the manner of bonuses for well run governmental organizations but I do not favor allowing them to become publicly traded and then respondent to the whims of the market or shareholders. We already see too much short term panacea at work with private businesses.

We are behind the times in the US in a number of areas and this is one of them. This plan is not socialism anymore than any other plan. It is not going to offer everyone free health care. It is going to place a responsibility on people to carry coverage.

A lot of companies(such as mine) and a lot of states are doing similar things already. Massachusetts has a very similar plan and it apparently works great.

Thanks for the reply...I see where you are coming from and its nice to here it explained. As someone about to enter the medical profession I agree that the American Medical system does have problems but I think it is the best in the world. From what limited information and experience of other countries health care systems I have had it seems in those countries you have MANY significant problems as well and on type of that the government is the one in control so you really don't have any options. I think that if you let the government control health care they are going to not really help anything but make the system actually worse. IN Massachusetts Im pretty sure their new program is already costing 1.5 times as much as they had predicted and it has not even been around that long. I have just seen the American politicians screw up too many things, Republicans and Democrats alike, to EVER, EVER want to give them any more power or control than they already have. So, I don't agree with you but see where your coming from. Thanks for the reply.

[zrinkill]

Barack Obama
Score: 77
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment
Education

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes


Hillary Clinton
Score: 70

Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Education


Mitt Romney
Score: 35

Agree
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Energy
Death Penalty
Education

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Gun Control
Environment


John McCain
Score: 28

Agree
Taxes
Marriage
Death Penalty
Education

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Gun Control
Environment


Mike Huckabee
Score: 14

Agree
Death Penalty
Education

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Gun Control
Environment


Wow ....... you disagree with everyone on Iraq

[BrAinPaiNt]

Wow ....... you disagree with everyone on Iraq

I had to go back and read the choices.

He must have chose this option...

Decentralize Iraq by dividing it into regions of separate governments.

As it will give you a disagree status with all candidates.

[zrinkill]

I had to go back and read the choices.

He must have chose this option...

Decentralize Iraq by dividing it into regions of separate governments.

As it will give you a disagree status with all candidates.

Great detective work buddy! I was way to lazy to try and figure that out.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Great detective work buddy! I was way to lazy to try and figure that out.

Well I was sitting there scratching my head on that one...thinking how can you disagree with candidates that pretty much cover the whole gambit concerning iraq.:laugh1:

[TheKey]

funny, last time I tried to make an appointment to see a doctor for something pressing he couldn't see me for about a week and suggested I go to the ER. All I needed was some GD antibiotics for what I correctly assumed was strep throat. Go and wait at the ER for 4-5 hours or wait until the next week for an appointment.

Yeah, we don't have outrageous wait times.

You are right, that is bad. Now take that times 3 if we get universal health care. :eek:

[Cajuncowboy]

You are right, that is bad. Now take that times 3 if we get universal health care. :eek:

Man, you ain't just a kidding either.

[AbeBeta]

You are right, that is bad. Now take that times 3 if we get universal health care. :eek:

Funny that we don't hear people in other countries where they do have universal care complaining about that.

Huh? Kinda makes the reasonable person think that "long wait" story just isn't as true as some of you want it to be.

[Cajuncowboy]

Funny that we don't hear people in other countries where they do have universal care complaining about that.

Huh? Kinda makes the reasonable person think that "long wait" story just isn't as true as some of you want it to be.

Yeah, none of them show up here for medical care. :rolleyes:

[Vintage]

Yeah, none of them show up here for medical care. :rolleyes:

And Americans never cross the border into Canada for their free health care either....

[Cajuncowboy]

And Americans never cross the border into Canada for their free health care either....

Want to wager on the numbers coming into America for health care versus Canada??

[TheKey]

Funny that we don't hear people in other countries where they do have universal care complaining about that.

Huh? Kinda makes the reasonable person think that "long wait" story just isn't as true as some of you want it to be.


Funny that this year a record number of Americans moved to Canada, but even more Canadians moved here. People in Canada arnt happy about their healthcare. Another thing, if we get universial health care, alot of our doctors will begin to leave to go somewhere where the free market will allow them to make the most money they can. We are free market country, we dont need government intereferece, thats not what we are founded on.

[Cajuncowboy]

Funny that this year a record number of Americans moved to Canada, but even more Canadians moved here. People in Canada arnt happy about their healthcare. Another thing, if we get universial health care, alot of our doctors will begin to leave to go somewhere where the free market will allow them to make the most money they can. We are free market country, we dont need government intereferece, thats not what we are founded on.

One more thing, if you remember that Hillary care had a provision that would have forced doctors into specialized fields. If there were so many in one particular field, they would not be allowed to move into that field.

That smells of communism.

This is why I want Hillary to win the DEM nomination.

She will be much easier to beat.

BTW, Love the sig!

[AbeBeta]

Funny that this year a record number of Americans moved to Canada, but even more Canadians moved here. People in Canada arnt happy about their healthcare. Another thing, if we get universial health care, alot of our doctors will begin to leave to go somewhere where the free market will allow them to make the most money they can. We are free market country, we dont need government intereferece, thats not what we are founded on.

So by that reasoning, given the current system, no countries that have universal care should still have doctors because they would all come to the U.S.

Doctors don't move around since in most cases they'd have to have jump through considerable hoops to practice in another country.

[ConcordCowboy]

Wow ....... you disagree with everyone on Iraq

I had to go back and read the choices.

He must have chose this option...

Decentralize Iraq by dividing it into regions of separate governments.

As it will give you a disagree status with all candidates.

Great detective work buddy! I was way to lazy to try and figure that out.

Well I was sitting there scratching my head on that one...thinking how can you disagree with candidates that pretty much cover the whole gambit concerning iraq.:laugh1:


I checked...I favor immediate and orderly withdrawal of U.S. troops.


P.S. I went back and just checked that one answer....I favor immediate and orderly withdrawal of U.S. troops and submitted it and only two came back as agree...but I didn't copy and paste them because they are out of it and never had a real chance anyway.

Ron Paul
Score: 1
Agree
Iraq



Mike Gravel
Score: 1
Agree
Iraq

[TheKey]

So by that reasoning, given the current system, no countries that have universal care should still have doctors because they would all come to the U.S.

Doctors don't move around since in most cases they'd have to have jump through considerable hoops to practice in another country.

Other countries doctors do come to the US, mostly from the middle east where there is no free market, but obviously not 100% of them can come.