MVP Eli? C'mon

[dfense]

On his final drive he threw two picks that were dropped. His best pass completion that saved the game was a desperation toss up. He threw 8 yard passes all night and only had 103 yards at the start of the 4th. Just missing a wide open Burris on that roll out should have eliminated him from consideration.

Here's the real MVP's - Strahan-Tuck-Osi

They harrassed and hit Brady all night. Holding the NFL's most prolific offense to 89 yards and 14 points and Brady to 49 yards passing in the first half. Plus they wouldn't allow the Pats to run. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[CowboyJeff]

On his final drive he threw two picks that were dropped. His best pass completion on that saved the game was a desperation toss up. He threw 8 yard passes all night and only had 103 yards at the start of the 4th. Just missing a wide open Burris on that roll out should have eliminated him from consideration.

Here's the real MVP's - Strahan-Tuck-Osi

They harrassed and hit Brady all night. Holding the NFL's most prolific offense to 89 yards and 14 points and Brady to 49 yards passing in the first half. Plus they wouldn't allow the Pats to run. :mad: :mad: :mad:

:hammer:

[Phrozen Phil]

On his final drive he threw two picks that were dropped. His best pass completion that saved the game was a desperation toss up. He threw 8 yard passes all night and only had 103 yards at the start of the 4th. Just missing a wide open Burris on that roll out should have eliminated him from consideration.

Here's the real MVP's - Strahan-Tuck-Osi

They harrassed and hit Brady all night. Holding the NFL's most prolific offense to 89 yards and 14 points and Brady to 49 yards passing in the first half. Plus they wouldn't allow the Pats to run. :mad: :mad: :mad:

I'd agree wholeheartedly. If I were to pick just one player, it would likely be Justin Tuck.

[theebs]

I think he was terrific tonight. His calm demeanor that has made him have to eat more crap than anyone in the league played a huge part in there win tonight.

Giants fans should be damn proud.

[Vertigo_17]

Yes, the defense was huge. And on offense, I thought Tyree or Smith were better than Eli, but the QB gets the blame/praise in most circumstances.

Just happy the Pats lost

[Da Hammer]

haha i admit i payed no attention to who won MVP... i thought Burress won it for some reason i guess cause he caught the GW TD. haha so eli won it? i guess i was too busy laughin my *** off at the Pats haha!

[REDVOLUTION]

On his final drive he threw two picks that were dropped. His best pass completion that saved the game was a desperation toss up. He threw 8 yard passes all night and only had 103 yards at the start of the 4th. Just missing a wide open Burris on that roll out should have eliminated him from consideration.

Here's the real MVP's - Strahan-Tuck-Osi

They harrassed and hit Brady all night. Holding the NFL's most prolific offense to 89 yards and 14 points and Brady to 49 yards passing in the first half. Plus they wouldn't allow the Pats to run. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Without Eli and last drive they lose.

[The Panch]

He definately made some bad throws, but remember, you win games in clutch time. As well as they played for the most part, the Giants defense folded in clutch time and Eli didnt.

[Bob Sacamano]

Without Eli and last drive they lose.

correction: w/o Tyree catching Eli's prayer, they lose

[pancakeman]

Without Eli and last drive they lose.

Yeah, but it took Eli and the last drive to win because the offense had done next to nothing to that point. I think MVP has to go to someone on the DL.

[tyke1doe]

Without Eli and last drive they lose.

But shouldn't the MVP be for the overall game performance and not a single series? :confused:

If the Giants hadn't shut down the high-powered, historic Pats offense, Eli's comeback wouldn't have mattered.

I think the defense should have received that award because they pressured Brady into looking average all night.

BTW, this reminds me of Super Bowl 28 when Emmitt Smith received the MVP. But, really, James Washington should have won it.

[theogt]

I think he was terrific tonight. His calm demeanor that has made him have to eat more crap than anyone in the league played a huge part in there win tonight.

Giants fans should be damn proud.Terrific? He didn't make any incredibly stupid mistakes -- well, he got saved on the one he did make (the fumble) -- that's about it.

Whether a team wins or loses has too much effect on people's opinion on an individual player's performance.

[REDVOLUTION]

correction: w/o Tyree catching Eli's prayer, they lose

He still had another down, no?

[Bob Sacamano]

Terrific? He didn't make any incredibly stupid mistakes -- well, he got saved on the one he did make (the fumble) -- that's about it.

Whether a team wins or loses has too much effect on people's opinion on an individual player's performance.

as Aikman said

the QB either gets too much blame when they lose, or too much acclaim when they win

praising Eli for this game is incredibly simple-minded, he didn't **** up, but at this point in his career, and w/ how much was invested in him, that was the least he should have done

[Bob Sacamano]

He still had another down, no?

a 4th and long I believe

[REDVOLUTION]

But shouldn't the MVP be for the overall game performance and not a single series? :confused:

If the Giants hadn't shut down the high-powered, historic Pats offense, Eli's comeback wouldn't have mattered.

I think the defense should have received that award because they pressured Brady into looking average all night.

BTW, this reminds me of Super Bowl 28 when Emmitt Smith received the MVP. But, really, James Washington should have won it.

This game and they way it was played reminded me of Parcells' Giants vs Bills SB

[BraveHeartFan]

I don't think he was the MVP tonight. He didn't make too many huge mistakes (though he was bailed out a couple times there) but the defense as a whole should have probably gotten the MVP award.

[dfense]

Without Eli and last drive they lose. That's deep.

[BBQ101]

You know, you certainly could have seen the MVP going to a defensive player tonight. They held the Patriots to 14 points. An awesome job. But dont' sell Eli short. He had a very solid game. But more than that, he had a incredibly good playoffs. He really led this team when it got to crunch time. He played damn good football.

I think there could be a case for someone getting it on D, but Eli did lead them back. That was a hell of a game. I admit I did not want to see the patriots go 19-0. I was a giant fan tongiht, and I specifically remeber saying the following this night, which I never thought I would ever say:

"Come on Eli, get it done.".

He did.

BBQ

[theebs]

Terrific? He didn't make any incredibly stupid mistakes -- well, he got saved on the one he did make (the fumble) -- that's about it.

Whether a team wins or loses has too much effect on people's opinion on an individual player's performance.

Yeah I think he was terrific tonight. He just took his team the length of the field to beat an all time team, with a ton of pressure in his face and the weight of the world on his shoulder, and he won. He didnt make any mistakes. that wasnt a fumble by any stretch, he was clearly down.

I didnt say he is a terrific quarterback, I said he was terrific tonight. Too many guys like yourself rely on stats when sometimes the stats dont mean squat like tonight. Manning was smart, decisive and took care of the ball. IF steve smith catches that ball in the second qtr the giants probably win by more points.

[Muhast]

I remember saying I hoped we'd draft Tuck a couple years back and getting flamed b/c "he's overrated b/c he went to ND"

I wish we had him. Dude was a beast tonight

[theogt]

Yeah I think he was terrific tonight. He just took his team the length of the field to beat an all time team, with a ton of pressure in his face and the weight of the world on his shoulder, and he won. He didnt make any mistakes. that wasnt a fumble by any stretch, he was clearly down.

I didnt say he is a terrific quarterback, I said he was terrific tonight. Too many guys like yourself rely on stats when sometimes the stats dont mean squat like tonight. Manning was smart, decisive and took care of the ball. IF steve smith catches that ball in the second qtr the giants probably win by more points.I think his defense was terrific. His defense held an "all time" team to 14 points. The Patriots defense wasn't much to write home about.

Eli was the busdriver. He didn't make any mistakes. He had that one crazy play, but there wasn't much impressive about his game other than not making mistakes.

[Bob Sacamano]

I remember saying I hoped we'd draft Tuck a couple years back and getting flamed b/c "he's overrated b/c he went to ND"

I wish we had him. Dude was a beast tonight

I liked him alot too

[theebs]

I think his defense was terrific. His defense held an "all time" team to 14 points. The Patriots defense wasn't much to write home about.

Eli was the busdriver. He didn't make any mistakes. He had that one crazy play, but there wasn't much impressive about his game other than not making mistakes.


No debate there, the giants D was great and they won the game, the only way to beat the pats was to stop them from scoring.

However, Manning had a tremendous drive to win the game. Nothing he does can ever take away how good he was on that drive.

But yeah obviously, if the pats were going up and down the field it wouldnt have mattered, but manning stood tall in the face of pressure and found guys all over the field.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

I actually thought Tuck was going to be the MVP but I'm fine with Eli winning it. He threw an INT that wasn't his fault. And that last drive alone is probably worth him being the MVP.

[theogt]

;1940837']I actually thought Tuck was going to be the MVP but I'm fine with Eli winning it. He threw an INT that wasn't his fault. And that last drive alone is probably worth him being the MVP.Tuck was absolutely without a doubt robbed. But I'm sure he's not too worried about it right now.

[Bob Sacamano]

No debate there, the giants D was great and they won the game, the only way to beat the pats was to stop them from scoring.

However, Manning had a tremendous drive to win the game. Nothing he does can ever take away how good he was on that drive.

But yeah obviously, if the pats were going up and down the field it wouldnt have mattered, but manning stood tall in the face of pressure and found guys all over the field.

ok, ok, you win

you are the most politically correct person on the board

[theebs]

ok, ok, you win

you are the most politically correct person on the board


Politically Correct? WHat are you talking about. Theogt made a valid point that I agree with and I said so. Why would I argue with something I agree with?

Look back through history, if a qb is decent and his team wins, particularly late in the game the qb always gets the nod. Plenty of defensive players have been given the heisman on the mvp because it is hard to recognize if it is one guy or many guys that are causing the disruption.

Justin Tuck is not going to care if he is not the mvp, only a complete Rick with a P would care.

And am I being politically correct for having an opinion of manning tonight that disagrees with yours?

and another thing, had that been us tonight and Jay Ratliff had the game tuck had but Romo made the plays manning did, particularly the throw to tyree and then had the game winning td Do you think there is any doubt Romo is the mvp?

[Bob Sacamano]

for having an opinion of manning tonight that disagrees with yours?

no, that you just throw alot of cliches around

"the better team won"

"they deserved it"

"he played great because he didn't lose the game"

"he made plays when he needed to"

[theebs]

no, you just throw alot of cliches around

"the better team won"

"they deserved it"

"he played great because he didn't lose the game"

"he made plays when he needed to"


Oh okay. Should I say things I dont truly mean for the sake of arguing? That is not why I come here.

The giants did deserve it, manning was better than a bus driver tonight I think and much like many successful qbs he did make plays when he needed to.

Sorry for being politically correct, maybe tomorrow I will start some threads about the aweseomeist players and how we could trade two number 1s for moss and win the next 5 superbowls.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Eli Manning played well, I can't argue with him getting the award. The Giants defense deserved A LOT of credit though!

[rcaldw]

If you don't think that Eli Manning played HUGE down the stretch then you don't know anything about football, or you have such a huge bias against the guy you can't see.

He threw up a prayer to Tyree? How about fighting out of 3 guys who SHOULD have sacked him before he made the throw that even gave Tyree the chance to make what was, undeniably, a HUGE catch. A great play on both ends.

In terms of "almost throwing picks", have you ever seen a drive like that before? Every drive that is like that involves some good plays and bad plays. 83 yards, 2 minutes, guys in the QB's face every play, it is like a boxing match, you are going to have some rough plays and rough passes on a drive like that. It is hand to hand combat. You are clawing and scratching to get the ball in the endzone.

Huge pass to Smith for the first down that gave them the shots at the endzone.

Manning played well, period. Just give the guy his due.

[bkight13]

4th Quarter stats: 9-14 152 yds 2 TD's...that's a MVP!!

[DaBoys4Life]

Man that manning name sure goes a long way.

[masomenos]

That's deep.

Thaaaaat's what she said.













sorry, I just miss The Office.

[Chuck 54]

I have to disagree...Osi and Tuck were both gassed and taking themselves out of the game frequently in the 4th quarter...they played a great 3 quarters and somewhat disappeared when needed in the fourth.

To me it was clearly going to be Eli or Welker, depending on who won the game...Welker tied the record for receptions in a SB and had over 100 yards. That's usually good enough.

Eli executed a good offensive game plan against a NE defense that was also playing inspired football. He made the plays that were critical to them winning the game. His first TD pass to take the lead was perfect according to everyone, including Aikman. He took his team on an 85 yard drive with about 2 1/2 minutes left in the game for the win, and on that drive, he had two great scrambles...on one, Burress moved behind his man and then stopped causing an incompletion,and on the other, at least 3 Pats had their hands on Eli and he simply pulled away against all odds to complete the pass to Tyree.

You can hate on Eli all you want, but that 85 yard drive, through the air and against a stout pass rush, is the stuff MVP's are made of in SB history. Eli was the only possible MVP selection on the Giants side of the ball, imo. I still think Welker had the award in his pocket until that final drive.

[AmishCowboy]

The real MVP was the Giants Defensive line.

[The Panch]

The real MVP was the Giants Defensive line.
No one portion won this game. The defensive wore themselves down on that final drive and couldnt stop New England's late 4th quarter lead changing drive. Eli's the one who stepped up and made plays to his receivers, including that remarkable tackle breaking pass to David Tyree who made a catch 9 out of 10 receiver's would've dropped.




Again, Im not taking away what their D line did. They commanded the line of scrimmage in every way and punked Brady when their own offense was playing sloppy. But it's about doing it for 60 minutes and they did it for bout 55. It's about being clutched and even tho he played below average for 3 quarters, Eli was clutch when his D wasnt.

[CrazyCowboy]

I'd agree wholeheartedly. If I were to pick just one player, it would likely be Justin Tuck.

You got that right....Tuck was awesome!

[burmafrd]

19 out of 34 is not good. AND do not forget that near pick to Samuels- that went right through his hands. That pass to Tyree was just thrown up there with hope- nothing more. Eli played pretty well but then he also got a lot better protection then Brady did. Inspired defense by the Pats- WHAT game were you watching? The Pats D was clearly the weakest unit on the field last night. The MVP award should have been shared by Osi, Tuck and Strahan= they never gave Brady time to get into a rhythym all night.

[The Panch]

19 out of 34 is not good. AND do not forget that near pick to Samuels- that went right through his hands. That pass to Tyree was just thrown up there with hope- nothing more. Eli played pretty well but then he also got a lot better protection then Brady did. Inspired defense by the Pats- WHAT game were you watching? The Pats D was clearly the weakest unit on the field last night. The MVP award should have been shared by Osi, Tuck and Strahan= they never gave Brady time to get into a rhythym all night.
It's about clutch and game changing moments. The Pats held the "The Greatest Show on Turf" to just 17 points and scored a defensive touchdown in SB 26, yet the story of that game is the MVP Tom Brady who led them into field goal range despite completing less than 60% of his passes for 145 yards and putting up 13 offensive points.

[burmafrd]

The QB gets too much credit and too much blame.
In this game it was all about the Giants D holding the pats to 14 pts.
Without that Eli is a bum.

[Doomsday101]

Tuck and Strahan did not have a sack or tackle in the 2nd half of the game. Sports writers up to the last drive were going to give it to Tuck but Eli came through with some big plays to help the Giants win. All in all Eli did not make many mistakes and in my view I expected that he would with the MVP after the last drive.

[burmafrd]

They had PRESSURE which is just as important.

[Doomsday101]

They had PRESSURE which is just as important.

Not saying they didn't the Giants defense played a great game. Eli though did not play a bad game and when the chips were down drove his team over 80 some odd yards and finished the job. His breaking of a sack on 3rd and 5 then hitting the big play down field was big.

[InmanRoshi]

I would have given it to Tuck. I've never seen Logan Mankins pwned like that. He was in Brady's head all night.

[Hostile]

I would have given it to Tuck. I've never seen Logan Mankins pwned like that. He was in Brady's head all night.I agree, him or Usi Umenyiora were the difference in the game.

[theebs]

I agree, him or Usi Umenyiora were the difference in the game.


Quarterbacks always get the benefit of the doubt.

you can look at all the niners wins in the 80s and the steelers in the 70s and find defensive players who were fantastic, but to get the mvp they basically have to score with the ball or do something extrodinary.

right before those guys go vote for the mvp, manning pulls that drive off. It was a great drive. Last thing we really see.

Giants defense was the reason they won, or gave them the opportunity to win actually but manning's drive won the game. That was a pretty pressure filled moment and he seized it.

Alford, strahan and osi were outstanding too. So it gets tough to pick a defensive player, pretty easy to point to the qb and say they were the mvp.

and like we were saying earlier, I dont tuck, osi and strahan give a darn.

[tyke1doe]

I agree that Eli led a game-winning drive. But the MVP should be for overall consistency, not just one single drive.

Eli and the offensive squander at least three drives, getting no points. And most thought the Pats D was old and overrated. Any number of teams (Dallas, Indy, Green Bay, San Diego, Jacksonville) could have scored against the Pats D.

However, the Giants defensive held this historic, record-setting, high-scoring offense that averaged 35.7 points a game to 14 points and just seven in the second half, when the mastermind/genius/Einstein Belichick is suppose to be the greatest at half time adjustments? :eek:

They continually beat up the unbeatable Tom Brady, making him so skiddish he was overthrowing receivers left and right. :eek:

Sorry, guys. But if this league weren't all about offense, the Giants defense would have won this hands down. And it's not unlike defenses haven't won the award before, nor more than one player. Remember the Cowboys have the only duel defensive winners of a Super Bowl MVP (Randy White and Harvey Martin). :D

Eli may have led the final drive, but defense won this championship. Make no mistake about it.

[hendog]

I agree, him or Usi Umenyiora were the difference in the game.

I thought those 2 could have been co - mvp's.

[JackMagist]

In the absence of a clearcut MVP it goes to the QB by default if he had a decent game. That was the case last night and I too named Eli the MVP before it was announced. He was cool and collected and he brought his team down for the TD to win the game. I'll hate on him next season with everyone else...but Last Night he was clutch.