Is anyone here still not convinced about the Giants?

[juck]

I dont know why they still dont seem that great,I know blah blah I am in denial some may say.They just dont scare me.Strahan is probably gonna retire.Maybe its cause we busted their butts twice this year.They won the SB and for some reason I am like so what.I definitely dont see a dynasty happening here.

[Doomsday101]

I dont know why they still dont seem that great,I know blah blah I am in denial some may say.They just dont scare me.Strahan is probably gonna retire.Maybe its cause we busted their butts twice this year.They won the SB and for some reason I am like so what.I definitely dont see a dynasty happening here.

I don't see the Giants being a dynasty I think they just went out and played solid mistake free football and did a great job up front on defense.

[Woods]

I don't see the Giants being a dynasty I think they just went out and played solid mistake free football and did a great job up front on defense.

Yes.

They really played smart football, minimal turnovers and penalties throughout the playoffs.

And, Eli got on a hot streak during the playoffs as well. He drastically cut down on his interceptions.

[Doomsday101]

Yes.

They really played smart football, minimal turnovers and penalties throughout the playoffs.

And, Eli got on a hot streak during the playoffs as well. He drastically cut down on his interceptions.

I think Eli got to the point of understanding that with his defense he did not have to make every play that sometimes punting is not a bad thing.

[theogt]

I think they were probably the 6th or 7th best team in the NFL this year. But they played really well when it matters and that's that. Same with the Steelers the last time they won.

[Woods]

I think Eli got to the point of understanding that with his defense he did not have to make every play that sometimes punting is not a bad thing.

The entire team just stepped it up, including the coaching staff.

But for those who say the Giants are inferior in talent to the Cowboys, I don't entirely agree.

Specifically, the Giants WRs really came on during the playoffs, esp. Toomer and S Smith. And this was all without Shockey.

And Bradshaw really adds a nice spark to their offense.

I don't think talent wise there is a signficant mismatch between the Cowboys and Giants.

I still prefer Romo to Eli, all in all, and I think Barber is very effective. But we need one guy to complement him, like Jacobs has with Bradshaw.

On defense, in our secondary, I just have little confidence when we're spread out and have to bring in a 3rd CB.

[SilberBlau]

they were able to basically shut down three of the most powerful offenses of the league on their way to the title. its not their mediocre attack, Eli still sucks and still should have been picked more than once in the last quarter. this title goes to Spagnuolo and his pass rushing crew. and yeah, that part of their performance was pretty convincing

[ThreeSportStar80]

Dude don't try to deminish what they did, they pulled off the greatest upset in Superbowl history and one of the best upsets in all of sports history...

[theogt]

Dude don't try to deminish what they did, they pulled off the greatest upset in Superbowl history and one of the best upsets in all of sports history...Why was it considered a great upset? Because they were considered the vastly inferior team.

[juck]

yeah,great dline pressure,but gap tooth is gonna retire.IDK I am thinking "Fluke",like Steelers in 2005,Ravens,Bucs.......they just got hot at right time.

[Mansta54]

Dude don't try to deminish what they did, they pulled off the greatest upset in Superbowl history and one of the best upsets in all of sports history...

I don't think he was deminishing what they did at all. The Giants got it done but I still think we're better then they are. Hey, they're the SB champs and earned it but I'm still not impressed with them. If we played them 10 times, I see us winning 7 to 8 of those games..

[tyke1doe]

Who cares about a dynasty?

Do you know how hard it is to win Super Bowls? I really don't think fans quite understand how difficult it is to get to the Super Bowl.

I'd love to be a dynasty again, but I doubt that's going to happen.

Even so, I'll be satisfied with a run like the Redskins or even the Broncos of the 90s, a few Super Bowl wins sprinkled through the decade. More than that is icing on the cake.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

Even if Strahan retires, they do have Tuck to replace him and Kiwanuka will be coming back. His leadership will be sorely missed though. That is, IF he retires.

[Hostile]

Convinced about what exactly?

[speedkilz88]

They got hot at the right time. Congrats to them, but I think the Cowboys beat them 9 times out of 10.

[BraveHeartFan]

I think they were probably the 6th or 7th best team in the NFL this year. But they played really well when it matters and that's that. Same with the Steelers the last time they won.


Quoted for truth. Best post I could possibly imagine on this question.

[Mansta54]

They got hot at the right time. Congrats to them, but I think the Cowboys beat them 9 times out of 10.

I couldn't agree with you more....:hammer:

[BehindEnemyLinez]

I don't think he was deminishing what they did at all. The Giants got it done but I still think we're better then they are. Hey, they're the SB champs and earned it but I'm still not impressed with them. If we played them 10 times, I see us winning 7 to 8 of those games..
:signmast: They simply caught lightning in a bottle! It is kinda amazing that they beat us :mad: , GB, and NE all away from the Meadowlands, though. Maybe that old mantra, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS, is true!!

[AmishCowboy]

I dont know why they still dont seem that great,I know blah blah I am in denial some may say.They just dont scare me.Strahan is probably gonna retire.Maybe its cause we busted their butts twice this year.They won the SB and for some reason I am like so what.I definitely dont see a dynasty happening here. They just got on a roll and got a few breaks, definitely don't fear them at all.

[Mansta54]

They just got on a roll and got a few breaks, definitely don't fear them at all.

Nope!!! Not at all...:starspin

[CNY Cowboy]

They got hot at the right time. Congrats to them, but I think the Cowboys beat them 9 times out of 10.

Problem is, the one we lose would be a Playoff game.:mad:

[Aikbach]

I predict a power shift, I think the NFC is back, the hogwash about inferiority was buried last night and I'll even go so far as to say the NFC East is back and will win out the decade as representative of the conference.

The Cowboys and Giants are going to win no less than 11 games for the next several seasons.

The Patriot dynasty ended last night just as they ended the Ram push at becoming one themselves, and the balderdash about them being the greatest ever is now permanently on ice.

Next year it will be Dallas and New York in the NFC Championship and San Diego and Jacksonville in the AFC Championship, those will be the final four in 2008.

[kojak]

I am convinced that they went on the road and beat all 3 division champs to get to the superbowl.

I am convinced that they went toe to toe with the best team in the NFL and came out on top in the end.

Therefore I am convinced that they are the superbowl champions and have earned the right to say they are the greatest team in 2007.

I am also convinced that I find myself jealous as well.

So yeah I am convinced.:)

Grats to all the Giant fans on board.

[tomson75]

I predict a power shift, I think the NFC is back, the hogwash about inferiority was buried last night and I'll even go so far as to say the NFC East is back and will win out the decade as representative of the conference.

The Cowboys and Giants are going to win no less than 11 games for the next several seasons.

The Patriot dynasty ended last night just as they ended the Ram push at becoming one themselves, and the balderdash about them being the greatest ever is now permanently on ice.

Next year it will be Dallas and New York in the NFC Championship and San Diego and Jacksonville in the AFC Championship, those will be the final four in 2008.

While I still think New England and Indy will still be in the mix next year for the AFC championship, i couldn't agree more. The NFC is back, and anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional.

As far as the Giants go, I wasn't particularly impressed until Sunday. They played a hell of a game. I still think we beat them 3 out of 4 times this year (and hopefully next), and that we've got the inside track for next year, but they aren't to be overlooked anymore.

[lewpac]

It's the same drum I've been beating for at least a decade now..........(and I'm not the only one).

They did play good enough for the last few months, and good enough yesterday to get all the credit they deserve for the win. IMO, the defensive line should've gotten the "collective" MVP. No dig on Eli Manning, but THAT'S WHO won that game for the Giants. Congrats and good for them, they deserve it...............THIS YEAR.

This Giant win is yet another "chicken coming home to roost" in this watered down world of Free Agency, Salary Cap, and other "Parity" measures shoved down our throats 15 years ago. It was said back then, LOUDLY, that this is the end of the "dynasty's" and "great teams." And with the exception of the Pats, Colts, and maybe the Beagles of this early decade, we're getting now what we clamored for and bargained for.

Last year is was the "darling" Saints, the Bears, and a few others. Next year, it'll be the Cardinals, Detroit and Buffalo................This year, the Giants are the "poster boy" for "anyone who clicks, gets hot, and jells" at the right time (usually around November 1st) could literally win it all. WIth free agency and coaching carousels, every team goes into training camp just like an expansion team. A quarter, a third, even half the starters are new to the roster or position every year on many teams. No one knows what they got until halfway through the season.

If it pleases you to have an absolute "crap shoot" every year; and it watching a Browns vs. Atlanta SB is your idea of good football, than goody for you. If you think that this brand of football is good, then your a happy guy. I, on the other hand, DO NOT!! I think it sucks.
Taking nothing away from the Giants that you can't take away from Tampa, the Ravens, Seattle, etc, etc, etc....................But their not a "great" team or "dominant" or "era" team. No sustained greatness. Just this years lotter winner in a league of "who knows" and "whatever". Thank "parity" for that.

Sour grapes???? Oh yeah, HELL YEAH!! Of course I'm not pleased with Dallas going "one and done". But that alone isn't enough to sour me on this loosy-goosy league where it is now impossible to predict anything.
So this is the product that we end up with, the "could've been anyone" Giants just happening to be the team that "didn't give the win away" more than 31 other teams.

What a shame.......................

[TheSkaven]

You're kidding me, right? They are a good team, who just had one of the most memorable wins in Superbowl history. Let's give them their props. During the regular season, they were beat by the Cowboys (twice), Packers and Patriots, and they beat each of those teams in the playoffs.

Having said that, they hardly dominated any of those games. They were a Roy Williams tackle on Amani Toomer (or a few timely Crayton catches) of an early exit. The Packers nearly beat them as well, and let's face it, if Hobbes doesn't fall down covering Burress, do the Giants score that TD yesterday?

They are hardly a dominant team, they are in fact a very beatable team that would probably rank in the bottom third of all-time Superbowl teams. They won the game, that's what it is all about, let's give them their props and call them Champions. But let's not pretend they're something they are not.

[tomson75]

You're kidding me, right? They are a good team, who just had one of the most memorable wins in Superbowl history. Let's give them their props. During the regular season, they were beat by the Cowboys (twice), Packers and Patriots, and they beat each of those teams in the playoffs.

Having said that, they hardly dominated any of those games. They were a Roy Williams tackle on Amani Toomer (or a few timely Crayton catches) of an early exit. The Packers nearly beat them as well, and let's face it, if Hobbes doesn't fall down covering Burress, do the Giants score that TD yesterday?

They are hardly a dominant team, they are in fact a very beatable team that would probably rank in the bottom third of all-time Superbowl teams. They won the game, that's what it is all about, let's give them their props and call them Champions. But let's not pretend they're something they are not.

lmao...I love the scaffolding touch in your sig. Good stuff.

[5Stars]

I dont know why they still dont seem that great,I know blah blah I am in denial some may say.They just dont scare me.Strahan is probably gonna retire.Maybe its cause we busted their butts twice this year.They won the SB and for some reason I am like so what.I definitely dont see a dynasty happening here.


The giants won the SuperBowl. They are this year champions. Am I convinced? Hell yes!

I have nothing against the Giants...to me they are irrelevant...I don't like or dislike them, but they did what they had to do. And they did good.

Get over it...

[burmafrd]

They got hot and manning figured out he did not have to make a lot of plays. Pretty simple to me. They faced us and we came within about 3 drops and 1 overthrow of beating them by 2 TDs. Then Favre went back to his pickem days of a couple of years ago and gifted them with the NFC Championship. Then their D line played inspired and they also showed that the Pats D is not all that. Whether the Pats were worn down or got over confident or whatever, the giants got them at the right time. sort of like the Pats first SB win- they were not dominant or great they just were really playing well at the right time. The Rams were more talented and should have beaten the Pats easily; maybe Spygate showed itself there for the first time.
Any way you look at it the Giants are at best 3rd or 4th in the NFL= at BEST.

[Bizwah]

I'm convinced they're Super Bowl champs.

That's pretty much it.

I don't get this....they won the SB and all of a sudden they're the most feared team out there judging by the threads I'm reading.

I don't think we have to "catch" them at all. We're more talented now. They got hot at the right time.....we hit a rut.....

I don't want to diminish their win. It was impressive...their run was impressive. But I also don't want to diminish how good we're going to be. Their win only fueled my beliefs that we have a championship caliber team.

[MaineBoy]

it sucks that we choked but the Giants played with more intensity than we did, their coaches ran their D more aggressively, and the Giants didn't turn the ball over or take stupid penalties - and they were better coached than we were....to say we are a better team now after what they did compared to what we did sounds a little classless and like sour grapes - almost like something I would expect Philly Fecal fans to say....like Fecal fans saying the Eagles are a better franshise than us despite their trophy case being empty.... The Gints earned the trophy, we didn't....nuff said...except it sucks.

[5Stars]

I predict a power shift, I think the NFC is back, the hogwash about inferiority was buried last night and I'll even go so far as to say the NFC East is back and will win out the decade as representative of the conference.

The Cowboys and Giants are going to win no less than 11 games for the next several seasons.

The Patriot dynasty ended last night just as they ended the Ram push at becoming one themselves, and the balderdash about them being the greatest ever is now permanently on ice.

Next year it will be Dallas and New York in the NFC Championship and San Diego and Jacksonville in the AFC Championship, those will be the final four in 2008.


Excellent post!

The AFC has been dominant for the last, what, 5 or 6 years? They had their fun...now the worm is going to turn!


Check it out...

[Sarge]

They played NE tough at the end of the year, almost beating them, they beat Dallas on the road in the playoffs, then Beat Green Bay on the road in the playoffs and essentially beat NE on the road yesterday.

Time for some to wake up and give the team/coaches some credit - they did a great job finishing up a season that at one point, wasn't looking so hot.

I hate them, but I'm not blind. That defense was ferocious yesterday.

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't see the Giants being a dynasty I think they just went out and played solid mistake free football and did a great job up front on defense.

:hammer:

[Star4Ever]

They got hot at the right time and didn't make mistakes. Just like the Steelers did two years ago. They're not the most talented team in the league, but they did go on one hell of a run and beat arguably the best three teams in the league this year in the post-season. Props? Absolutely. Dynasty? Please.

[Bob Sacamano]

The giants won the SuperBowl. They are this year champions. Am I convinced? Hell yes!

I have nothing against the Giants...to me they are irrelevant...I don't like or dislike them, but they did what they had to do. And they did good.

Get over it...

quoted for extreme political correctedness

idk how a division foe who just won the Super Bowl is irrelevent

[CowboyFan74]

The Giants will give us fits more than the E-gilrs and Redskins for a while now but it's not like we can't beat em, staying healthy or having quality depth is more the issue...

[Bob Sacamano]

The Giants will give us fits more than the E-gilrs and Redskins for a while now but it's not like we can't beat em, staying healthy or having quality depth is more the issue...

I'd saying taking our head out of our arse is the biggest issue that we have to overcome

[juck]

It's the same drum I've been beating for at least a decade now..........(and I'm not the only one).

They did play good enough for the last few months, and good enough yesterday to get all the credit they deserve for the win. IMO, the defensive line should've gotten the "collective" MVP. No dig on Eli Manning, but THAT'S WHO won that game for the Giants. Congrats and good for them, they deserve it...............THIS YEAR.

This Giant win is yet another "chicken coming home to roost" in this watered down world of Free Agency, Salary Cap, and other "Parity" measures shoved down our throats 15 years ago. It was said back then, LOUDLY, that this is the end of the "dynasty's" and "great teams." And with the exception of the Pats, Colts, and maybe the Beagles of this early decade, we're getting now what we clamored for and bargained for.

Last year is was the "darling" Saints, the Bears, and a few others. Next year, it'll be the Cardinals, Detroit and Buffalo................This year, the Giants are the "poster boy" for "anyone who clicks, gets hot, and jells" at the right time (usually around November 1st) could literally win it all. WIth free agency and coaching carousels, every team goes into training camp just like an expansion team. A quarter, a third, even half the starters are new to the roster or position every year on many teams. No one knows what they got until halfway through the season.

If it pleases you to have an absolute "crap shoot" every year; and it watching a Browns vs. Atlanta SB is your idea of good football, than goody for you. If you think that this brand of football is good, then your a happy guy. I, on the other hand, DO NOT!! I think it sucks.
Taking nothing away from the Giants that you can't take away from Tampa, the Ravens, Seattle, etc, etc, etc....................But their not a "great" team or "dominant" or "era" team. No sustained greatness. Just this years lotter winner in a league of "who knows" and "whatever". Thank "parity" for that.

Sour grapes???? Oh yeah, HELL YEAH!! Of course I'm not pleased with Dallas going "one and done". But that alone isn't enough to sour me on this loosy-goosy league where it is now impossible to predict anything.
So this is the product that we end up with, the "could've been anyone" Giants just happening to be the team that "didn't give the win away" more than 31 other teams.

What a shame.......................

so true so true.the nfl is weak now.parity sucks.

[REDVOLUTION]

I dont know why they still dont seem that great,I know blah blah I am in denial some may say.They just dont scare me.Strahan is probably gonna retire.Maybe its cause we busted their butts twice this year.They won the SB and for some reason I am like so what.I definitely dont see a dynasty happening here.


I see Strahan pulling the same stunt as last year.... no TC and just play out the year and see if he can do an Elway.... (the Elway part is something he mentioned)

[Billy Bullocks]

They got hot at the right time. Eli didn't shoot himself in the foot.

The defense showed up for every game in the playoffs and was really the difference. Id say, the old 2 out of 3 (defense, ST, offense) rule, they won on ST and defense in all their games.

[REDVOLUTION]

They got hot at the right time. Eli didn't shoot himself in the foot.

The defense showed up for every game in the playoffs and was really the difference. Id say, the old 2 out of 3 (defense, ST, offense) rule, they won on ST and defense in all their games.


He aimed a few times yesterday.... he just missed ;) ..... or his opposing target muffed it

[tyke1doe]

The Patriot dynasty ended last night just as they ended the Ram push at becoming one themselves, and the balderdash about them being the greatest ever is now permanently on ice.


A bit of wishful thinking.

Please, don't compare the Rams to the Patriots.

The Rams started to decline because Warner took a severe beating in Martz's style of offense that left him often unprotected. It was only a while before defenses caught up with the Rams.

Marshall Faulk started to age. And Orlando Pace started to suffer injuries.

And Dick Vermeil, who was really the glue that held that team together, left.

Martz is not suited to be a head coach. And it showed.

Meanwhile, Brady is still in his prime. And despite what the Giants did to him, there are many teams with a pass rush like the Giants, whom they don't have to play next year.

Maroney is still a baby by NFL standards.

Welker still has years left.

Moss is likely going to resign.

Belichick - if not suspended - is still Belichick, a fascist over details and a master at keeping his team focused - Sunday notwithstanding.

They have a bevy of talent on their roster and the seventh pick in the 2008 draft.

And they play in the weak AFC East.

Don't think for a moment this team is finished. As long as you have a great quarterback, you're always in contention - as Montana, Elway and now Brady has proven.

[REDVOLUTION]

A bit of wishful thinking.

Please, don't compare the Rams to the Patriots.

The Rams started to decline because Warner took a severe beating in Martz's style of offense that left him often unprotected. It was only a while before defenses caught up with the Rams.

Marshall Faulk started to age. And Orlando Pace started to suffer injuries.

And Dick Vermeil, who was really the glue that held that team together, left.

Martz is not suited to be a head coach. And it showed.

Meanwhile, Brady is still in his prime. And despite what the Giants did to him, there are many teams with a pass rush like the Giants, whom they don't have to play next year.

Maroney is still a baby by NFL standards.

Welker still has years left.

Moss is likely going to resign.

Belichick - if not suspended - is still Belichick, a fascist over details and a master at keeping his team focused - Sunday notwithstanding.

They have a bevy of talent on their roster and the seventh pick in the 2008 draft.

And they play in the weak AFC East.

Don't think for a moment this team is finished. As long as you have a great quarterback, you're always in contention - as Montana, Elway and now Brady has proven.


Two words: THREE POINTS

[lewpac]

This years Giants?

I don't know about the category to put them in. I figure the "Jets, Ravens, Tampa, Rams, Atlanta, Seattle, Eagle, Charger" category of teams that made it to the SB. Some won, some lost (especially the Eagles).

Certainly NOT in the category of your standard COWBOY, Steeler, Raider, Whiners, or Packuh's of old. No legacy. No repeat. Nothing "great" or "dominant". Simply the latest "team de jour" in an era of free agency and salary cap "whoever" rabble. No disrespect....................they brought the wood...........................YESTERDAY!

And that's just it.....................got hot, played good since November, jelled a little, and shocked the world.

On the other hand, was New England really "that good" in this day and age of parity?????? It appears NOT. Would going "undefeated" now be the same as going undefeated in 1977? 1981? 1993? Who knows?

Everything is "kiddywampa's" now in the NFL. So what exactly does a SB Ring mean now, as opposed to 1993?

NO big deal. Our day is coming. Just by a matter of "chance", our day is coming. Because ANYBODY would win it all nowadays. Yeah, even next years Falcons, Dolphins and Cardinals. It's "upon us". Free agency, salary cap and "parity" is officially in "full bloom" now that this waste-of-time is over. 7 months, and THIS is what we have to show for it. The average Giants as "world champs". And, ELI MANNING not only a SB winning QB, but MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The universe is off it's kilter when the Giants and Manning are the lest men standing in the NFL.......................

[DallasDomination]

It's a combination of them playing better, getting lucky and the other teams choking...

The Pats win was impressive however...They stoped them fair and square. The Dallas win and Packers win was more luck then anything.



I dont see them winning another Sb or even another playoff game...I dont think they are even really good..They just got hot when it mattered.

Dallas will take it sooner or later.

[MarkP88]

I wish that were true--but it ain't. The Giants are for real. No luck was involved in what they did. People forget the amount of talent they have on that team, given how inconsistent they were during the season. The truth of the matter is, a team with as much talent as the Giants have had no business losing 6 games and getting spanked at home by the Vikings and Redskins.

I'm not saying they're a dynasty in the making, bu they are for real and they are young, like us. Should be a very interesting next few years. Once again, hats off to 'em.

Man, how that hurts!

Mark P.

[Aikbach]

A bit of wishful thinking.

Please, don't compare the Rams to the Patriots.

The Rams started to decline because Warner took a severe beating in Martz's style of offense that left him often unprotected. It was only a while before defenses caught up with the Rams.

Marshall Faulk started to age. And Orlando Pace started to suffer injuries.

And Dick Vermeil, who was really the glue that held that team together, left.

Martz is not suited to be a head coach. And it showed.

Meanwhile, Brady is still in his prime. And despite what the Giants did to him, there are many teams with a pass rush like the Giants, whom they don't have to play next year.

Maroney is still a baby by NFL standards.

Welker still has years left.

Moss is likely going to resign.

Belichick - if not suspended - is still Belichick, a fascist over details and a master at keeping his team focused - Sunday notwithstanding.

They have a bevy of talent on their roster and the seventh pick in the 2008 draft.

And they play in the weak AFC East.

Don't think for a moment this team is finished. As long as you have a great quarterback, you're always in contention - as Montana, Elway and now Brady has proven.Wishful thinking? I think the parallels are appropo, Brady is the same age Warner was after the 2001 Super Bowl and if he takes beatings as he did last night then he too will suffer.

The defense they boast is ripe with senior citizens, they remind me in this regard to the 1994 49ers who assembled a cast of antiquated greats for one last hurrah, the difference is that San Francisco succeeded and New England is now just old and unfulfilled.:)

Anyhow the changing of the guard is complete, Jacksonville and San Diego are the new order in the AFC I promise you.

If Moss bolts Welker will be cut down to size in his effectiveness.

Their defense is old and brittle, their headcoach likely to face suspension.

The very dynasty they did achieve is in question integrity wise and it shall not see any more bright chapters in this era.

They will go the way of fallen giant in the coming years, they have been vanquished by the very parity they once manipulated to victory, just like the Rams who were once being hailed as the greatest ever before them.