The real root of the cowboys sucking

[Hiero]

The reason the cowboys are now crappy instead of good is really because they havent had a good draft since the mid 90's. The other year, they desperately need a QB, they have Leftwich a huge practically dream molded QB whos as close to a sure thing as they come, and we pass on him for a 25 year old CB.

Now don't get me wrong, Im a huge Newman fan, but I just dont see how you can pass on a guy like Leftwich who was clearly the real deal, and was basically a perfect QB except for his mobility. The guy is really tall, rocket arm, very smart, winner, he really has it all, and not only was I shocked that we didnt take him, I was shocked that a lot of people seemed to think we didnt need a QB, when all we had to back us up was a joke like hutchinson, and whatever random trash was around.

Back even farther to the now incredibly infamous Randy Moss debacle. Ok we werent the only team who passed on him, but I remember thinking it was a sure thing that if Dallas had a chance to get him, it was gonna be a 1 second wait until his name was called. Everyone thought Dallas wanted him, and somehow inexplicably, we draft some random DE( ellis I think), instead of passing on a WR who at the time looked like not just a superstar, but an elite superstar freak athlete. Ellis turned out to be a solid player, but certainly not worth a top 10 pick.

Add to this the likes of ekuban etc. etc. and you can basically see where im going.

Move onto this year. I think trading down and getting the bills pick actually turned out to be one of the best moves in dallas drafting history, with the way the bills are going, but I honestly thought when we traded down, there was no chance of us taking J Jones in the second, I thought he was a for sure 3rd round talent.

The jury is still out on JJ, and so far I think Parcells is actually turning our disgusting past 7-8 drafts or so, around and doing good. But looking back besides Roy Williams, who have we drafted over the past 7-8 years that was actually good. Greg Ellis?? an average DE. anyone else we drafted over that time that is even still around and contributing at all??

We could have Byron Leftwich passing to Randy Moss, along with so many other good players. Of course you'll probably say its easy to say things like this about the past, but we all knew back then these are two guys we shoulda got, then inexplicably(at least imo) passed on for reasons unknown..

I have a feeling that our luck will be turning around bigtime next year, and hopefully by the end of the year JJ will show some signs. I think Parcells really set us up beautifully(along with a little luck) for the future. We could even next year trade down a few spots and get another 2nd 1st rounder next year.

I really think we need to start Henson asap, so we can get a feel for what this kid has. Honestly if he turns out how i think he should, we should have a really bright future, if he turns out to be the next hutch, we have 1 high draft pick along with ours which will be mid to early first round likely, to try and get a real Franchise QB, the kind of guy we passed on in Leftwich.

Next years draft will determine whether or not we go back to the 5-11 days, or whether or not we go back to the glory days. I think its clear that Parcells isnt much of a player in the FA market, and doesnt really wanna spend too much money there, so we're gonna have to it the old fashioned way, relying on the draft to build our team, and get some real superstars, instead of a bunch of random solid guys who clearly aren't getting it done..

anyways end of rant flame on.

[Nors]

Roy and a lot of nothing to show.

Even the Tnew pick is starting to look foggy. I still bet he turns it around.
Lefty as our QB would put us 3 years ahead of the great Henson experiment..................

[Hiero]

Roy and a lot of nothing to show.

Even the Tnew pick is starting to look foggy. I still bet he turns it around.
Lefty as our QB would put us 3 years ahead of the great Henson experiment..................
Lefty at qb along with Moss would literally put us on the cusp of championship. the boys if they had these two guys AND the bills pick next year and their own would have to be big favorites to challenge deep into the playoffs, and have great odds to win the championship. Again not to say i dont like Newman, hes clearly got great athleticism, and i really think hes a future all star, but I just dont see how we can pass on a guy like Leftwich, who has it all.

[junk]

Roy and a lot of nothing to show.

Even the Tnew pick is starting to look foggy. I still bet he turns it around.
Lefty as our QB would put us 3 years ahead of the great Henson experiment..................

Roy has played poor this year as well. I don't think there is anyway anyone can consider him an impact player at this point.

[DipChit]

The reason the cowboys are now crappy instead of good is really because they havent had a good draft since the mid 90's.

Well to show you how I feel about our drafting/player aquisitions over the last 10 years, I really wouldnt lose any sleep if they cut virtually everyone on the team at the end of the year except for Roy and Witten. Well ok I might keep Julius around and Newman (with the hope they truly develop). Maybe even Keyshawn but more for the entertainment value in being a ticking timebomb as much as anything.

Beyond that? Eh. Could any 4 defensive down linemen you put out there create any *less* pressure on QB's? Maybe it's just me but I aint sensing any Reggie Whites in the lot. Could Dixon at safety (course theres always Lyn Scott, right) and whoever you trot out at RCB this week be any less inspiring? Linebackers? Gimme a break. Our's arent exactly playmakers extraordinare and LB's are pretty much the easiest players to find anyway as far as I'm concerned.

Offense? Vinny, Eddie, Richie, Terry, thanks for stopping by. Larry, thanks for the memories. The Lehr's and Johnson's and Walter's and Tucker's and Vollers even Gourode.. Yawn, whatever. OK, ok maybe Flo should hang around another year. Maybe Dan Campbell too just cuz he's named Dan.

Kickers and KR's? Buh-bye you're nothing at all special.

Any players that back up any of the aforementioned players? Needless to say your services are no longer needed. Oh, Bradie? I dont know.. you might keep your cell phone on just in case.

Oh, the kid named Henson? Fiiiiiine, I'll make one roster exemption for him just in case.. happy now?

Then just use your top 2 picks on whatever and then go ink some more of those 2nd and 3rd tier FA's you've always been so fond of Jerry. The bottomline couldnt be much worse than what you've gotten the last number of years. Now that teams have matched up Bills tendencies with the talent he has to work with even he hasnt been able to get this club to .500 ball over the last 16 games.

[Dallas]

Roy has played poor this year as well. I don't think there is anyway anyone can consider him an impact player at this point.

Are you kidding us? Roy Williams not an impact player?


Your name is certainly living up to your opinion. At least where Roy is concerned. Not an impact player. Get real. :cool:

[jimmy40]

The reason the cowboys are now crappy instead of good is really because they havent had a good draft since the mid 90's. The other year, they desperately need a QB, they have Leftwich a huge practically dream molded QB whos as close to a sure thing as they come, and we pass on him for a 25 year old CB.

Now don't get me wrong, Im a huge Newman fan, but I just dont see how you can pass on a guy like Leftwich who was clearly the real deal, and was basically a perfect QB except for his mobility. The guy is really tall, rocket arm, very smart, winner, he really has it all, and not only was I shocked that we didnt take him, I was shocked that a lot of people seemed to think we didnt need a QB, when all we had to back us up was a joke like hutchinson, and whatever random trash was around.

Back even farther to the now incredibly infamous Randy Moss debacle. Ok we werent the only team who passed on him, but I remember thinking it was a sure thing that if Dallas had a chance to get him, it was gonna be a 1 second wait until his name was called. Everyone thought Dallas wanted him, and somehow inexplicably, we draft some random DE( ellis I think), instead of passing on a WR who at the time looked like not just a superstar, but an elite superstar freak athlete. Ellis turned out to be a solid player, but certainly not worth a top 10 pick.

Add to this the likes of ekuban etc. etc. and you can basically see where im going.

Move onto this year. I think trading down and getting the bills pick actually turned out to be one of the best moves in dallas drafting history, with the way the bills are going, but I honestly thought when we traded down, there was no chance of us taking J Jones in the second, I thought he was a for sure 3rd round talent.

The jury is still out on JJ, and so far I think Parcells is actually turning our disgusting past 7-8 drafts or so, around and doing good. But looking back besides Roy Williams, who have we drafted over the past 7-8 years that was actually good. Greg Ellis?? an average DE. anyone else we drafted over that time that is even still around and contributing at all??

We could have Byron Leftwich passing to Randy Moss, along with so many other good players. Of course you'll probably say its easy to say things like this about the past, but we all knew back then these are two guys we shoulda got, then inexplicably(at least imo) passed on for reasons unknown..

I have a feeling that our luck will be turning around bigtime next year, and hopefully by the end of the year JJ will show some signs. I think Parcells really set us up beautifully(along with a little luck) for the future. We could even next year trade down a few spots and get another 2nd 1st rounder next year.

I really think we need to start Henson asap, so we can get a feel for what this kid has. Honestly if he turns out how i think he should, we should have a really bright future, if he turns out to be the next hutch, we have 1 high draft pick along with ours which will be mid to early first round likely, to try and get a real Franchise QB, the kind of guy we passed on in Leftwich.

Next years draft will determine whether or not we go back to the 5-11 days, or whether or not we go back to the glory days. I think its clear that Parcells isnt much of a player in the FA market, and doesnt really wanna spend too much money there, so we're gonna have to it the old fashioned way, relying on the draft to build our team, and get some real superstars, instead of a bunch of random solid guys who clearly aren't getting it done..

anyways end of rant flame on.If we would have drafted Moss we wouldn't have been picking high enough to draft Leftwich.

[jimmy40]

Are you kidding us? Roy Williams not an impact player?


Your name is certainly living up to your opinion. At least where Roy is concerned. Not an impact player. Get real. :cool:How is he an impact player besides hitting someone hard every third or fourth game?

[DipChit]

How is he an impact player besides hitting someone hard every third or fourth game?

Because most all the rest of the defenders only hit someone (particularly QB's) hard every 3rd or 4th year? ;)

[TruBlueCowboy]

If we would have drafted Moss we wouldn't have been picking high enough to draft Leftwich.

Yep, I truly believe that. I think Aikman might have lasted longer and Emmitt been more productive in his last years as well. Who knows, maybe even Irvin would have avoided his injury after Aikman quickly realized what kind of threat he had going deep every game with Moss.

[Juke99]

Move onto this year. I think trading down and getting the bills pick actually turned out to be one of the best moves in dallas drafting history
.

I'd be careful until you see how we use the pick...you won't be saying that if we trade down to the 23rd slot and pick up two extra six rounders...

[MichaelWinicki]

Are you kidding us? Roy Williams not an impact player?


Your name is certainly living up to your opinion. At least where Roy is concerned. Not an impact player. Get real. :cool:


That was good Dallas...

Junk is a friend of mine but that was funny!

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd be careful until you see how we use the pick...you won't be saying that if we trade down to the 23rd slot and pick up two extra six rounders...


But can they play special teams?

[Nors]

But can they play special teams?

Has there even been a coin flip tiebreaker for the #1 and #2 overall picks?

If we have both picks do we have to actually flip the coin?

[Waffle]

The reason the cowboys are now crappy instead of good is really because they havent had a good draft since the mid 90's. The other year, they desperately need a QB, they have Leftwich a huge practically dream molded QB whos as close to a sure thing as they come, and we pass on him for a 25 year old CB.

Now don't get me wrong, Im a huge Newman fan, but I just dont see how you can pass on a guy like Leftwich who was clearly the real deal, and was basically a perfect QB except for his mobility. The guy is really tall, rocket arm, very smart, winner, he really has it all, and not only was I shocked that we didnt take him, I was shocked that a lot of people seemed to think we didnt need a QB, when all we had to back us up was a joke like hutchinson, and whatever random trash was around.

Back even farther to the now incredibly infamous Randy Moss debacle. Ok we werent the only team who passed on him, but I remember thinking it was a sure thing that if Dallas had a chance to get him, it was gonna be a 1 second wait until his name was called. Everyone thought Dallas wanted him, and somehow inexplicably, we draft some random DE( ellis I think), instead of passing on a WR who at the time looked like not just a superstar, but an elite superstar freak athlete. Ellis turned out to be a solid player, but certainly not worth a top 10 pick.

Add to this the likes of ekuban etc. etc. and you can basically see where im going.

Move onto this year. I think trading down and getting the bills pick actually turned out to be one of the best moves in dallas drafting history, with the way the bills are going, but I honestly thought when we traded down, there was no chance of us taking J Jones in the second, I thought he was a for sure 3rd round talent.

The jury is still out on JJ, and so far I think Parcells is actually turning our disgusting past 7-8 drafts or so, around and doing good. But looking back besides Roy Williams, who have we drafted over the past 7-8 years that was actually good. Greg Ellis?? an average DE. anyone else we drafted over that time that is even still around and contributing at all??

We could have Byron Leftwich passing to Randy Moss, along with so many other good players. Of course you'll probably say its easy to say things like this about the past, but we all knew back then these are two guys we shoulda got, then inexplicably(at least imo) passed on for reasons unknown..

I have a feeling that our luck will be turning around bigtime next year, and hopefully by the end of the year JJ will show some signs. I think Parcells really set us up beautifully(along with a little luck) for the future. We could even next year trade down a few spots and get another 2nd 1st rounder next year.

I really think we need to start Henson asap, so we can get a feel for what this kid has. Honestly if he turns out how i think he should, we should have a really bright future, if he turns out to be the next hutch, we have 1 high draft pick along with ours which will be mid to early first round likely, to try and get a real Franchise QB, the kind of guy we passed on in Leftwich.

Next years draft will determine whether or not we go back to the 5-11 days, or whether or not we go back to the glory days. I think its clear that Parcells isnt much of a player in the FA market, and doesnt really wanna spend too much money there, so we're gonna have to it the old fashioned way, relying on the draft to build our team, and get some real superstars, instead of a bunch of random solid guys who clearly aren't getting it done..

anyways end of rant flame on.
Yeah, Jerry has been accused of a lot of things, but never a "draft guru." ;)

[mr.jameswoods]

Hiero

My compliments! Nice post. I don't agree with everything you said but you made some nice points. I think the problem with our drafts is we haven't taken a risk and drafted an offensive superstar in the first round.(I don't count Quincy Carter since most analysts agreed he was a reach at the second round). The last time we drafted an offensive player in the first round was LaFleur the tight end. This is due to the fact that we always assume that our key offensive starters were in place and that we only needed to draft a cornerback, safety, defensive end to put us over the edge.

I do know one thing in the NFL is that you don't win unless you take risks. And we need to stop drafting for need which is what we have been doing and instead to draft on the basis of talent. This is the Dennis Green approach to drafting and it has paid off for his teams like taking Randy Moss and Dante Culpepper despite being loaded at QB and WR. In AZ, Green drafted a WR with the third pick despite AZ picking up Boldin and Bryant in the 2003 draft.

[Clay_Allison]

To be fair you must remember that Leftwich had recently suffered a broken leg and no one knew if his alredy limited mobility would return.

In retrospect, of course, he seems more mobile now than he did in college. Owing, no doubt, to NFL conditioning.

We are still feeling a lingering talent headache from not having players like Shaun Alexander on the team because of the Galloway trade. Jerry Jones took a while to realize that the 90s superbowl team was gone. That is why we have whole drafts unrepresented on this team.

[crazylegs]

Roy and a lot of nothing to show.

Even the Tnew pick is starting to look foggy. I still bet he turns it around.
Lefty as our QB would put us 3 years ahead of the great Henson experiment..................

I'm not so sure about the Roy experiment quite yet.

Really Roy is just a bang-em up type S, he can't play like that until he's in his mid 30's. Sooner or later, and probably sooner he'll get hurt and slide down hill until he's just a sort of good S. Probably in those years he would of been a great S with-in an effective team, but this team might take years to develop into such a team and Roy’s good years will probably be behind him when it does.

I agree with the down trodden view of our past drafts much less so with the blatant missed opportunities.

[Clay_Allison]

Williams will be good for alot more mileage if he didn't have to finish off every tackle Elroy. We need to get better in alot of other places before we toss RW out the window.

[AtlCB]

The real root of the Cowboys sucking is that games are won in the trenches and OL and DL are two of the worst in the league. The right side of our OL is getting manhandled. These guys are turnstiles in the passing game and get pushed back in the running game. Greg Ellis and La'Roi Glover are the only two players who show up on the DL. Wiley is pathetic. I think this guy is just going through the motions. We all were glad to see Ek go, but at least the guy wasn't a liability on running plays. Ogbogu shows signs of being very good, but he always seems to commit some boneheaded penalty at just the wrong moment. Our NT is a liability in the run game (his biggest responsibility).

[crazylegs]

Williams will be good for alot more mileage if he didn't have to finish off every tackle Elroy. We need to get better in alot of other places before we toss RW out the window.

You need to stop drinking my delusional friend.

[jacs]

i think our main problem is the coaches not trusting the players that they are playing (Lee, Dixon, Reeves, Williams and i think George)

[LaTunaNostra]

The real root of the Cowboys sucking is that games are won in the trenches and OL and DL are two of the worst in the league. The right side of our OL is getting manhandled. These guys are turnstiles in the passing game and get pushed back in the running game. Greg Ellis and La'Roi Glover are the only two players who show up on the DL. Wiley is pathetic. I think this guy is just going through the motions. We all were glad to see Ek go, but at least the guy wasn't a liability on running plays. Ogbogu shows signs of being very good, but he always seems to commit some boneheaded penalty at just the wrong moment. Our NT is a liability in the run game (his biggest responsibility).

I agree in the trenches it's been, for the most part woeful.

Al Johnson is struggling, but it looks like inevitably he will be okay. As much misplaced babysitting has been going on on D, the babysitting of AB by either guard has not been evident. Running to the right is nightmarish, and even for a back with outside speed like Lee or Richie in the first qtr highly problematical. Eddie has little initial burst but he gets stood up in the backfield.

Al might be one instance where Bill is insisting youth learn now, and possibly Tyson would give us more as well as DiNap when he has recoverd, but I think Al's mobility, once his technique is improved, does give Bill more options. Al prolly is the best we have at center right now.

We have greater depth on oline, but sketchier play overall by LaRoi and these days I can't tell the mini Lehr from the hulking Gurode - the result is the same - playing small. For all Rogers troubles in preseason, I suspect were he healhy, he'd be strating by now.

Like you say, there are two player on the Dline and Og makes an infrequent gratifying followed by frustrating appearance.

[Hollywood Henderson]

I don't agree that the Online has been much of an issue...When healthy...Gurode is coming on, Johnson and Tucker as well, the problem is when they make a nice big hole George goes for 4-5 yards, when a back with some playmaking ability would break off huge runs, resulting in a TD or very long game changing play!

On D is where we lack any leadership or know how from zimmy/squiggy WUSS...

Its been said before, but really, this guy has no business being on a NFL team!

Unless its to mop the floors...