current clinton crisis

[iceberg]

from msnbc.com

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Will Obama’s win streak continue? If it’s Tuesday, it’s another round of nominating contests, and today there are three: in DC, Maryland, and Virginia. Will Obama be 8-0 since Super Tuesday (counting DC and the Virgin Islands)? It's looking possible. The marquee win for Obama would be Virginia. It's a state similar to Missouri -- though while Missouri has been trending red, Virginia is trending blue, but they are currently crossing at the same area of the ideological bar graph right now. A decisive win in Virginia will be something to brag about. While not a top-10 population state, Virginia isn't small, and he needs some bigger state victories. On the Democratic side, there are a total of 168 delegates at stake in the three races (83 in Virginia, 70 in Maryland, and 15 in DC). On the GOP side, there are 113 delegates up for grabs, and 76 of them are winner-take-all (60 in Virginia and 16 in DC), and Maryland has an additional 37 delegates at stake. In DC and Maryland, polls open at 7:00 am ET and close at 8:00 pm ET, and in Virginia they open at 6:00 am ET and close at 7:00 pm ET.

*** Remember the Alamo (and Ohio, too)! As NBC’s Andrea Mitchell reported yesterday and as the New York Times writes today, Ohio and Texas have become must-win states for the Clinton campaign, its donors, and its superdelegates. Per Mitchell, campaign officials confirm that Clinton called supporters yesterday to reassure them that the campaign is not in trouble. Nevertheless, there is considerable nervousness within the campaign about the outlook. They are ahead in those two states, as well as Pennsylvania, but several officials now say there is no margin of error. They must win all three, she notes. Interestingly, most of the make-or-break moments this primary season have been for Clinton, not Obama. His only one was South Carolina, while she’s had New Hampshire, Super Tuesday, and now March 4. Each time, she's just hung on. But according to that now-famous Obama campaign memo -- which has been pretty conservative in its projections so far -- Clinton could still win Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania yet still trail Obama in pledged delegates.

*** But what about Wisconsin? The question the Clinton folks have to focus on is whether to contest Wisconsin. Do they want Obama to go 10-0 after February 5? There's a good chunk of working-class Democrats in the state, and a historical significance to the Wisconsin primary that leads us to believe she will contest it seriously. That said, while Obama heads to campaign in Wisconsin tonight, Clinton is going to Texas. Should Obama end up 10-0, won't the national polls continue to respond to his momentum? We're already seeing him start to take the lead in some national primary surveys, and he performs better against McCain than her in every post-February 5 survey we've seen. A 10-0 record after Super Tuesday would likely add to that -- and doesn't that eventually trickle down to Ohio and Texas? By the way, when wondering which March 4 state Obama will target more, realize that there is a larger African-American population in Texas than Ohio. Just something to think about. For more, check out the 2004 exit polls.

*** Delegate update: The Official NBC News Allocated Pledged Delegate Count (as of 10:00 am yesterday): Obama 958, Clinton 904 (although there are some delegates from decided contests that have yet to be allocated). The Political Unit Superdelegate Count: Clinton 261, Obama 177. Grand Total: Clinton 1,165, Obama 1,135. Our superdelegate count reflects numbers the campaigns are claiming plus our own updates based on publicly declared endorsements. There are currently 795 superdelegates in all, and only 719 are actually known at this point; 76 others will be chosen by state parties at state conventions as late as May and June.

*** Down the ballot: Today is only the second primary day to feature congressional races on the undercard. Last week, Illinois had congressional primaries, and this week, it's Maryland. The two big races feature two incumbents fighting for their political lives. In Maryland's 4th District, Democrat Al Wynn looks to be in serious trouble in his rematch with Donna Edwards. In the state’s 1st District, meanwhile, Republican Wayne Gilchrest is trying to fend off two serious primary foes from the right. Gilchrest has been a thorn in conservative sides for years but surprisingly he looks a tad safer than Wynn. We'll see though…

*** On the trail: Clinton is in DC and then heads to El Paso, Texas, for an evening rally there (Texas holds its primary on March 4); Huckabee is in DC and Arkansas; McCain is in DC, Maryland, and holds an election night rally in Arlington, VA; and Obama is in DC and then holds a rally at the University of Wisconsin in Madison (Wisconsin holds its primary on February 19).

Countdown to Hawaii and Wisconsin: 7 days
Countdown to Ohio and Texas: 21 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 266 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 343 days

[ConcordCowboy]

This is from MSNBC...they have nothing but a ax to grind with the Hillary and I don't believe a word of this article.

[vta]

This is from MSNBC...they have nothing but a ax to grind with the Hillary and I don't believe a word of this article.

You might be right about them having an axe to gind, but it's a legitimate one. I hope they don't fire Shuster just to show, that while he might have been innapropriate, these power hungry animals can't just stifle someone's speech, because this time it's against them. This kind of talk happens all the time, and yet when it happens to her, she wants to have some one fired. Miserable old harridan. :rolleyes:

But what exactly is unbelievable about the article? The delegate count? The fact that Obama is surging strongly against her?

You might question the part about her calling supporters and claiming there is no trouble in her campaign, but who knows for sure? Outside of that, it seems to be telling an acurate story of how this race is shaping up.

[iceberg]

This is from MSNBC...they have nothing but a ax to grind with the Hillary and I don't believe a word of this article.

at this point, many people have an axe to grind w/her. she will jump down on your tail as soon as you speak bad about her. she tried to curtail what they can / should say and that's crap.

in the end, the results don't lie - she's losing and she's breaking up.

forgive me, i love it.

[zrinkill]

Jterrel has been missing for days ....... coincidence?

[vta]

And now he surpasses her in delegates and her deputy campaign manager resigns...

CNN Ticker (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Hillary Clinton's deputy campaign manager has resigned, her campaign confirmed Tuesday night as the New York senator faced another round of disappointing primary results.

Mike Henry is the second senior staff-level departure from the Clinton team in the past three days. He was hired by Patti Solis Doyle — Clinton's former campaign manager — whose resignation was revealed Sunday.

"As someone who has managed campaigns, I share the unique understanding of the challenges that the campaign will face over the next several weeks," Henry said in a Tuesday e-mail to Clinton staffers.

"Our campaign needs to move quickly to build a new leadership team, support them and their decisions and make the necessary adjustments to achieve the winning outcome for which we have all worked so hard for over a year now."

Howard Wolfson, spokesman for Clinton's campaign, said that Henry had done "an outstanding job for the campaign and his expertise will be missed."

Henry, who helmed the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee's independent expenditure program two years ago, was the author of an internal memo last year that suggested Clinton should skip Iowa — a proposal that was quickly dismissed when it became public.

A year earlier, he managed the successful campaign of Virginia's Democratic Gov. Tim Kaine, and was a lead advisor to former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner's campaign.

CNN projects that Clinton's rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, won Tuesday night's Virginia Democratic primary.

Barack Obama
Pledged: 1039
Superdelegates: 156
Total: 1,195

Hillary Clinton
Pledged: 944
Superdelegates: 234
Total: 1,178

[ConcordCowboy]

You might be right about them having an axe to gind, but it's a legitimate one. I hope they don't fire Shuster just to show, that while he might have been innapropriate, these power hungry animals can't just stifle someone's speech, because this time it's against them. This kind of talk happens all the time, and yet when it happens to her, she wants to have some one fired. Miserable old harridan. :rolleyes:

But what exactly is unbelievable about the article? The delegate count? The fact that Obama is surging strongly against her?

You might question the part about her calling supporters and claiming there is no trouble in her campaign, but who knows for sure? Outside of that, it seems to be telling an acurate story of how this race is shaping up.

at this point, many people have an axe to grind w/her. she will jump down on your tail as soon as you speak bad about her. she tried to curtail what they can / should say and that's crap.

in the end, the results don't lie - she's losing and she's breaking up.

forgive me, i love it.

I'm on the record as liking MSNBC...I was joking.

[Sasquatch]

What's the mood in Ohio, CC? Is a Clinton comeback imminent?

[ConcordCowboy]

What's the mood in Ohio, CC? Is a Clinton comeback imminent?

She still has a double digit lead here and probably will win.

But the way he's been racking up victory's lately it wouldn't surprise me if he pulled a upset...althought at this point probably not.

But I sure do hear alot of people talking about Obama, in a good way.

It's a undeniable energy/vibe with him that is just lacking with her.

Both of their ads have just started hitting the air here in the last couple of days.

My wife's trying to get us tickets to their debate in Cleveland.

Probably a snowballs chance...but it sure would be fun.

[WiPatfan]

Is that debate going to happen?

She still has a double digit lead here and probably will win.

But the way he's been racking up victory's lately it wouldn't surprise me if he pulled a upset...althought at this point probably not.

But I sure do hear alot of people talking about Obama, in a good way.

It's a undeniable energy/vibe with him that is just lacking with her.

Both of their ads have just started hitting the air here in the last couple of days.

My wife's trying to get us tickets to their debate in Cleveland.

Probably a snowballs chance...but it sure would be fun.

[Sasquatch]

She still has a double digit lead here and probably will win.

But the way he's been racking up victory's lately it wouldn't surprise me if he pulled a upset...althought at this point probably not.

But I sure do hear alot of people talking about Obama, in a good way.

It's a undeniable energy/vibe with him that is just lacking with her.

Both of their ads have just started hitting the air here in the last couple of days.

My wife's trying to get us tickets to their debate in Cleveland.

Probably a snowballs chance...but it sure would be fun.

Good luck. And keep us updated.

[Aikbach]

Clinton will win Ohio and Texas securing her nomination, she will then promptly lose to McCain in the general election.

[silverbear]

Clinton will win Ohio and Texas securing her nomination, she will then promptly lose to McCain in the general election.

As unpopular as Clinton is with the Republicans, John McCain is even more unpopular...

How unpopular, you ask?? Well, Ann Coulter has said if the choice is between Clinton and McCain, she's voting for Hillary... Laura Ingraham has said she could never, ever vote for McCain... Michelle Malkin doesn't trust him, Hugh Hewitt says he's a lousy Senator and a terrible Republican... Glenn Beck thinks he's even more dangerous than Hillary...

This is a who's who of right wing talking heads, all lined up in opposition to McCain... he's also not trusted by right wing evangelicals, who are lining up behind Huckabee... IOW, he can't even solidfy support within his own party, yet you blithely assume that he can win against ANYBODY??

I call that wishful thinking... my wishful thinking extends far enough to allow me to hope that Obama beats Hillary out for the nomination, if only because he doesn't have Clinton's negatives, he wouldn't rally the opposition the way she could...

But either way, the GOP faces a long, uphill struggle in this election, and they'll be carrying this bogus war on their back the whole way... you can count on the Democrats beatin' them over the head with that clusterf***...

[BrAinPaiNt]

As unpopular as Clinton is with the Republicans, John McCain is even more unpopular...

How unpopular, you ask?? Well, Ann Coulter has said if the choice is between Clinton and McCain, she's voting for Hillary... Laura Ingraham has said she could never, ever vote for McCain... Michelle Malkin doesn't trust him, Hugh Hewitt says he's a lousy Senator and a terrible Republican... Glenn Beck thinks he's even more dangerous than Hillary...

This is a who's who of right wing talking heads, all lined up in opposition to McCain... he's also not trusted by right wing evangelicals, who are lining up behind Huckabee... IOW, he can't even solidfy support within his own party, yet you blithely assume that he can win against ANYBODY??

I call that wishful thinking... my wishful thinking extends far enough to allow me to hope that Obama beats Hillary out for the nomination, if only because he doesn't have Clinton's negatives, he wouldn't rally the opposition the way she could...

But either way, the GOP faces a long, uphill struggle in this election, and they'll be carrying this bogus war on their back the whole way... you can count on the Democrats beatin' them over the head with that clusterf***...


The right side talking heads are doing all they can to get Huckabee over McCain for the nod but it is falling on death ears to the republicans who are more centrists and also indies.

I have no doubt that if McCain wins you will see those very people above still going out and voting for McCain if Hillary wins the dem nod.

Ann is just flapping her gums more than anything.

http://www.topofmyhead.info/uploaded_images/DrewSheneman-709299.gif

[ConcordCowboy]

Is that debate going to happen?

I know Clinton's team did threaten to call it off after Schuster's comment but as far as I know it's still going on.

She would be crazy to call it off now. After all of her recent loses to call off a debate in Ohio now when she desperately needs a win here would be not smart.

[ConcordCowboy]

Good luck. And keep us updated.

Thanks.

We actually got tickets last February to Obama's rally at Tri-C in Cleveland.

That was when his campaign was in it's infancy and it was a wild atmosphere then.

I can't imagine what it's going to be like now when he's the front runner.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thanks.

We actually got tickets last February to Obama's rally at Tri-C in Cleveland.

That was when his campaign was in it's infancy and it was a wild atmosphere then.

I can't imagine what it's going to be like now when he's the front runner.

If you guys are getting the weather we are getting right now...you might not get a chance to go even if you do get tickets.:o:

[ConcordCowboy]

If you guys are getting the weather we are getting right now...you might not get a chance to go even if you do get tickets.:o:

We had a winter storm warning last two days...got about 8 inches the first day and they were calling for 9 MORE yesterday...but luckily we only got three.

Man I love NE Ohio. :D

[iceberg]

it was in the 60s today here in dallas....

[ConcordCowboy]

it was in the 60s today here in dallas....

Last Saturday here it was in the 50's.

Sunday....0 with a wind advisory all day that made the wind chill...-15

[Cajuncowboy]

Please! Dems!

Go to the polls and vote for Hillary!

What's the matter with you people!

[big dog cowboy]

Please! Dems!

What's the matter with you people!
The question we all want the answer to.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Please! Dems!

Go to the polls and vote for Hillary!

What's the matter with you people!

If she wins the primary and somehow winds up being the next president...I will never forgive you or others with this mentality.

[Cajuncowboy]

If she wins the primary and somehow winds up being the next president...I will never forgive you or others with this mentality.

It's a lock that she won't.

[Vintage]

It's a lock that she won't.

Maybe, maybe not...

I wonder how many independents have actually gotten out and voted. My primary is in 6 days. I don't think I'll vote in it... but I will in the Presidential election, for sure.

I don't think you can accurately predict how the independent vote will go, despite the polls, currently...

There are a lot of people (including me) that feel that the Republicans have really pushed us away the past 8 years (those of us who are borderline Libertarian.....or Libertarians outright).

The Libertarian party has done some shifting in decades past (democrats....republicans......etc). But for awhile now, they have been considered part of the core of the Republican vote.

I wonder how that will play out this election. Because if it wasn't for the Democrats offering up Barak or Hillary....I'd jump ship.

[Cajuncowboy]

Maybe, maybe not...

I wonder how many independents have actually gotten out and voted. My primary is in 6 days. I don't think I'll vote in it... but I will in the Presidential election, for sure.

I don't think you can accurately predict how the independent vote will go, despite the polls, currently...

There are a lot of people (including me) that feel that the Republicans have really pushed us away the past 8 years (those of us who are borderline Libertarian.....or Libertarians outright).

The Libertarian party has done some shifting in decades past (democrats....republicans......etc). But for awhile now, they have been considered part of the core of the Republican vote.

I wonder how that will play out this election. Because if it wasn't for the Democrats offering up Barak or Hillary....I'd jump ship.

Honestly, I'm not all that excited by the current crop of Republicans BUT, any of them are better than either Obama or Clinton. Obama is left of Clinton and she is a socialist.

So, in the end, you have to ask yourself this question...

"If given the choice between someone hitting my big toe with a hammer or having someone shoot me in the face with a shotgun, which would I choose.?"

Republicans =:hammer:

Democrats = :shoot3:

The choice is yours.

[ConcordCowboy]

Honestly, I'm not all that excited by the current crop of Republicans BUT, any of them are better than either Obama or Clinton. Obama is left of Clinton and she is a socialist.

So, in the end, you have to ask yourself this question...

"If given the choice between someone hitting my big toe with a hammer or having someone shoot me in the face with a shotgun, which would I choose.?"

Republicans =:hammer:

Democrats = :shoot3:

The choice is yours.

Well then I choose...:shoot3: for you!

[Cajuncowboy]

Well then I choose...:shoot3: for you!

Boo to you and all the Buckeyes!

[ConcordCowboy]

Boo to you and all the Buckeyes!

....:D

[Vintage]

At some point, politicians need to be held accountable. And political parties.

That time is now.

And if that means not voting for the Republicans this time around, so be it.

[iceberg]

At some point, politicians need to be held accountable. And political parties.

That time is now.

And if that means not voting for the Republicans this time around, so be it.

you want to hold "parties" accountable and then do it by not voting for *a* party? not sure how that's going to do it. you just give someone else the bag of poo for awhile.

[silverbear]

The right side talking heads are doing all they can to get Huckabee over McCain for the nod but it is falling on death ears to the republicans who are more centrists and also indies.

Which is indicative of how completely discredited the neocon movement is right now...

[silverbear]

It's a lock that she won't.

Yeah, John McCain is pretty much unbeatable...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

[theogt]

Yeah, John McCain is pretty much unbeatable...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...With Clinton on the ballot, you'd certainly have to say he's the favorite at this point based on polling numbers.

McCain beats her by a decent margin in Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, all of which were Kerry states. On the other hand, Clinton holds no leads in Bush states that I'm aware of.

[Cajuncowboy]

Yeah, John McCain is pretty much unbeatable...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

a one eyed, mentally retarded squirrel could run against Hillary and win.

She has worse negatives than any politician and that includes Bush. As a matter of fact, if Bush were to run again, he would beat her. Why do you think that Hillary didn't run in 2004?

Because she knew this. Why do you think the Clintons didn't go all out to support Kerry? Because she knew she would run in 2008.