New Mock by Banks

[btcutter]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/02/14/mock.draft2.part1/index.html?eref=T1


22. Felix Jones
28. Dominique-Cromartie

I can live with that. Not sure if I take Jones though. I have a feeling if Cromartie is there at 22, you need to pick him there. Wait till 28 for the RB or 2nd round.

[the kid 05]

IS Cromartie supposta be as good as his cousin is?

[BraveHeartFan]

I could live with it but it would highly depend on what WR we got in the second round on whether i'd be totally happy with it or not.

[tyke1doe]

IS Cromartie supposta be as good as his cousin is?

Is the Chargers corner really his cousin? :confused:

[Rampage]

Is the Chargers corner really his cousin? :confused:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/01/23/risers.sliders2/index.html?eref=si_latest

[theogt]

IS Cromartie supposta be as good as his cousin is?Dude's good. He may be a little raw having played at a small school, but that's fine as he'd only be our 3rd corner for a while. He has ball skills, has good instincts, and is pretty athletic.

[DCfaninDC]

Like the 28th pick but not too crazy about Felix being picked with our first first.

[the kid 05]

Dude's good. He may be a little raw having played at a small school, but that's fine as he'd only be our 3rd corner for a while. He has ball skills, has good instincts, and is pretty athletic.

so he shouldn't be taken in the first? or is he good enough to warrant a 1st

[DaBoys4Life]

so he shouldn't be taken in the first? or is he good enough to warrant a 1st

he's a first round pick after the combine we might not be able to get him with our 22nd pick

[Chuck 54]

One more time, the Cowboys won't spend a first round pick on a backup RB to share time with MBIII. All we heard all year was that we wanted to see our pro bowl RB on the field more...now all of a sudden we want to use a #1 pick and money on another guy to share time, keeping him off the field even more than last year because we're assuming the drafted RB will be better than JJ.

If a great, top flight RB drops in the draft and is the top rated player on our board, then yes, I say take him, but that's unlikely to happen.

We haven't had a great, franchise, starting RB since Emmitt Smith...that's 7 years at least...during that time we never used a #1 pick on a RB, not even when some darn good ones were available to us.

Now, we have a probowl RB, but we think we'll spend a #1 on a running mate to spell him...Come on....

[MichaelWinicki]

One more time, the Cowboys won't spend a first round pick on a backup RB to share time with MBIII. All we heard all year was that we wanted to see our pro bowl RB on the field more...now all of a sudden we want to use a #1 pick and money on another guy to share time, keeping him off the field even more than last year because we're assuming the drafted RB will be better than JJ.

If a great, top flight RB drops in the draft and is the top rated player on our board, then yes, I say take him, but that's unlikely to happen.

We haven't had a great, franchise, starting RB since Emmitt Smith...that's 7 years at least...during that time we never used a #1 pick on a RB, not even when some darn good ones were available to us.

Now, we have a probowl RB, but we think we'll spend a #1 on a running mate to spell him...Come on....


You bring up a very good point Wayne. And one that's caused me to tap-the-brakes from time to time on the whole notion of selecting a RB in the first.

However, I also think that Barber isn't going to be the workhorse back that Emmitt was. Emmitt was out there for all 3 downs for virtually the entire game. So while Emmitt would touch the ball 25-30 times a game, his backup would touch it 5-6 times a game.

They aren't going to use Barber the same way as Emmitt.

A backup to Barber, and a quality backup at that, will probably have double the touches that Emmitt's backup would.

And then you have the whole issue of returns.

Someone like Felix Jones would automatically improve the return game.

You combine the need for a quality backup behind Barber and a guy that can take the return game up a notch, and spending a 1st on a running back like Jones becomes much more palatable for me.

That being said, if Adams is cut loose we could take a lineman in the first round.

[starfrombirth]

A small point that people are missing here is that, Antonio Cromartie played for Florida State. He played against some of the most powerful offenses in college for his whole career and he was very Good. His younger cousin is playing off the name his cousin built for him. If you think he is first round talent because of what his cousin did, your bumping your head again. He may be good but he isn't 1st round good. That being said, someone will take him in the 1st. I just hope we aren't that stupid. :banghead:

[Thick 'N Hearty]

A small point that people are missing here is that, Antonio Cromartie played for Florida State. He played against some of the most powerful offenses in college for his whole career and he was very Good. His younger cousin is playing off the name his cousin built for him. If you think he is first round talent because of what his cousin did, your bumping your head again. He may be good but he isn't 1st round good. That being said, someone will take him in the 1st. I just hope we aren't that stupid. :banghead:

You bring up a very good point Wayne. And one that's caused me to tap-the-brakes from time to time on the whole notion of selecting a RB in the first.

However, I also think that Barber isn't going to be the workhorse back that Emmitt was. Emmitt was out there for all 3 downs for virtually the entire game. So while Emmitt would touch the ball 25-30 times a game, his backup would touch it 5-6 times a game.

They aren't going to use Barber the same way as Emmitt.

A backup to Barber, and a quality backup at that, will probably have double the touches that Emmitt's backup would.

And then you have the whole issue of returns.

Someone like Felix Jones would automatically improve the return game.

You combine the need for a quality backup behind Barber and a guy that can take the return game up a notch, and spending a 1st on a running back like Jones becomes much more palatable for me.

That being said, if Adams is cut loose we could take a lineman in the first round.

I can see both viewpoints. We do need that change-of-pace back to spell MBIII, but do we do it at the cost of a 1st round pick when we have more pressing needs, i.e., WR, RT, CB, etc.

A back I think that is just as good as the others who played in a pro-style offense is Jamal Charles from UT. I can't stand UT, but this guys has Reggie Bush-like talent. He can catch it out of the backfield and can torch any defense at any time. This is one of the deepest RB fields in a while. I don't see us shooting our wad in the first round when there are plenty of others available.

I don't like the Ray Rice talk. He's more like MBIII, a bruising back.

[Doomsday101]

I can see both viewpoints. We do need that change-of-pace back to spell MBIII, but do we do it at the cost of a 1st round pick when we have more pressing needs, i.e., WR, RT, CB, etc.

A back I think that is just as good as the others who played in a pro-style offense is Jamal Charles from UT. I can't stand UT, but this guys has Reggie Bush-like talent. He can catch it out of the backfield and can torch any defense at any time. This is one of the deepest RB fields in a while. I don't see us shooting our wad in the first round when there are plenty of others available.

I don't like the Ray Rice talk. He's more like MBIII, a bruising back.

I would have no problem with drafting Charles with the Cowboys 2nd rd pick. I know that is not popular with some but having watched Charles for a good while now I think he will be a very good back. Only problem I have seen with Charles is holding on to the ball but that even improved greatly as the season went on last year.

[MichaelWinicki]

I can see both viewpoints. We do need that change-of-pace back to spell MBIII, but do we do it at the cost of a 1st round pick when we have more pressing needs, i.e., WR, RT, CB, etc.

A back I think that is just as good as the others who played in a pro-style offense is Jamal Charles from UT. I can't stand UT, but this guys has Reggie Bush-like talent. He can catch it out of the backfield and can torch any defense at any time. This is one of the deepest RB fields in a while. I don't see us shooting our wad in the first round when there are plenty of others available.

I don't like the Ray Rice talk. He's more like MBIII, a bruising back.

I don't view RT as being a "need" at this point. That leaves WR and CB. CB is a given... I don't see how we don't use a first on a corner.

WR? Who's going to get more touches per game this year? A wide receiver who may not even be one of the top-3 WR's on this team or a RB, who'll automatically start out as the #2, getting 10-12 touches per game plus handling return duties.

[Doomsday101]

I don't view RT as being a "need" at this point. That leaves WR and CB. CB is a given... I don't see how we don't use a first on a corner.

WR? Who's going to get more touches per game this year? A wide receiver who may not even be one of the top-3 WR's on this team or a RB, who'll automatically start out as the #2, getting 10-12 touches per game plus handling return duties.

Depends on the CB who are on the board when we pick.

[batman36]

I don't view RT as being a "need" at this point. That leaves WR and CB. CB is a given... I don't see how we don't use a first on a corner.

WR? Who's going to get more touches per game this year? A wide receiver who may not even be one of the top-3 WR's on this team or a RB, who'll automatically start out as the #2, getting 10-12 touches per game plus handling return duties.

I agree with you MW. Maybe this idea will be buoyed by a free agent receiver being signed, then a pick can be used on a WR later, giving him time to develope.

[Zimmy Lives]

I don't view RT as being a "need" at this point. That leaves WR and CB. CB is a given... I don't see how we don't use a first on a corner.

WR? Who's going to get more touches per game this year? A wide receiver who may not even be one of the top-3 WR's on this team or a RB, who'll automatically start out as the #2, getting 10-12 touches per game plus handling return duties.

Tackle may not be a position of need but would you pass on a tackle like Gosder Cherilus with the 28th pick?

Dallas should be able to get a CB with their pick at 22 but Cherilus would be hard to pass up if the top three running backs (Stewart, McFadden, and Mendenhall) are gone as well as receivers like Jackson, Kelly, and Manningham.

[MichaelWinicki]

Tackle may not be a position of need but would you pass on a tackle like Gosder Cherilus with the 28th pick?

Dallas should be able to get a CB with their pick at 22 but Cherilus would be hard to pass up if the top three running backs (Stewart, McFadden, and Mendenhall) are gone as well as receivers like Jackson, Kelly, and Manningham.

If Adams isn't here in April, I'd consider taking a tackle in the first round, but if he's here then OT is off the board for me.

[Zimmy Lives]

If Adams isn't here in April, I'd consider taking a tackle in the first round, but if he's here then OT is off the board for me.

Fair enough.

Cherilus, however, plays with an intensity this team hasn't seen since Erik Williams retired. He could be Columbo's replacement in 2009 when his contract expires.

[theogt]

Tackle may not be a position of need but would you pass on a tackle like Gosder Cherilus with the 28th pick?

Dallas should be able to get a CB with their pick at 22 but Cherilus would be hard to pass up if the top three running backs (Stewart, McFadden, and Mendenhall) are gone as well as receivers like Jackson, Kelly, and Manningham.I'd pass on Cherilus with Free on the roster. Personally I think Free was a much better prospect coming out of college and he already has a year in the NFL.

[Zimmy Lives]

I'd pass on Cherilus with Free on the roster. Personally I think Free was a much better prospect coming out of college and he already has a year in the NFL.

Understood.

I just go by the approach that you cannot have too many good offensive and defensive linemen. Look at the Giants and all the talent they have stockpiled on the d-line.

[big dog cowboy]

One more time, the Cowboys won't spend a first round pick on a backup RB to share time with MBIII.
Unless we bring in a vet, we almost half to. I completely understand what you are saying. But IMO the RB position has the worst depth of any on this team. Should MB3 go down, who tokes the rock?

[Paniolo22]

After watching the College Skills challenge, I'd take J Charles in the 2nd and spend our 1st on CB and WR.

[Oh_Canada]

A small point that people are missing here is that, Antonio Cromartie played for Florida State. He played against some of the most powerful offenses in college for his whole career and he was very Good. His younger cousin is playing off the name his cousin built for him. If you think he is first round talent because of what his cousin did, your bumping your head again. He may be good but he isn't 1st round good. That being said, someone will take him in the 1st. I just hope we aren't that stupid. :banghead:

Guess guys from small schools have no chance of making it....I mean what did Terrell Owens, Larry Allen, Jerry Rice, Tony Romo, Marques Colston, Charles Tillman, Demarcus Ware, Osi Umenyiora etc, ever do in the league???
Cromartie will be a very good player in the pros....as good as his cousin maybe, maybe not...but he will be good.

[burmafrd]

We should NOT use a first on a RB. A second at the most.

[Oh_Canada]

Understood.

I just go by the approach that you cannot have too many good offensive and defensive linemen. Look at the Giants and all the talent they have stockpiled on the d-line.

I agree, which is why I like Carl Nicks (6'5 330lbs) in the third and finding a nose tackle somewhere in this draft.

[TX_Yid]

I like CB and WR in the first and taking Jamaal Charles in the second.

With the RBs in this draft I think we get a great compliment to Barber whether we take one in the 1st or 2nd. I see CB as the priority with a young WR second... but if Stanback is the real deal WR and RB could trade places for me. WR in the 2nd and RB in the 1st.

[cnhnyy]

We have to draft a CB in the first round. I do not know about WR/Cb as another first-round draftee though. Most of first round Wrs are busts and you do not spend a No.1 on a RB when you have a pro-bowl RB. It would be fasano II.

There are two options for our other No.1.
1) trade for a YOUNG and proven stud, WR or CB.
2) Trade away for future picks (such as a No.2 this year and a No.1 next year)

[theogt]

I agree, which is why I like Carl Nicks (6'5 330lbs) in the third and finding a nose tackle somewhere in this draft.I'd rather take a guard in the 3rd. We've got a lot of young potential on the roster at tackle.

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd rather take a guard in the 3rd. We've got a lot of young potential on the roster at tackle.

Yeah, I agree. Unless Adams goes of course. But if Adams is still here, I doubt we'll draft an OT period.

[superpunk]

This doesn't have any relevance to the Dallas draft, but....

http://www.ncaagridirongab.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/gholston-50.jpg

Jeebus....

[theogt]

This doesn't have any relevance to the Dallas draft, but....

Jeebus....Makes you wonder about steroid use. You just don't typically get arms that big naturally.

[Duane]

Makes you wonder about steroid use. You just don't typically get arms that big naturally.

He's got the kind of veins Keith Richards would kill for.

[khiladi]

Makes you wonder about steroid use. You just don't typically get arms that big naturally.

Speak for yourself man... speak for your self...

(flexin' the biceps)

[Clove]

I'm expecting a corner/WR to come out of the first, (if we keep both 1st rdrs which is highly doubtful)

[the kid 05]

Speak for yourself man... speak for your self...

(flexin' the biceps)

how are the peashooters working for ya? :D

[khiladi]

how are the peashooters working for ya? :D

More like this my man...

http://www.dominionpaper.ca/files/dominion-img/afghanistan-big-guns.preview.jpg

[the kid 05]

More like this my man...

http://www.dominionpaper.ca/files/dominion-img/afghanistan-big-guns.preview.jpg

how many arms do you have?

[InmanRoshi]

Jerry said his top priority is getting a "Wow" playmaker on offense this offseason at a skill position. He's not looking for just a nice solid guy to "compliment" to Barber. He's looking for electricity and a playmarker. The top tier WR's in this draft are lackluster at best (I would jump off a building if my team drafted Desean Jackson #11).


Some of your guys are getting are getting way too caught up filling holes with pegs looking to fill "need" positions with bodies. This leads to completely idiotic justification for why we "need" Bobby Carpenter. "We already got a Demarcus Ware, we don't need two of them. We need to find someone that 'compliments' Ware".

Ugh, No. Actually, we do need two Wares. Actually, we could use three or four.

[BraveHeartFan]

I'm still thinking WR/CB in the first. We'll get a quality, change of pace, back for Barber in the second round, no sweat.

[Chocolate Lab]

He's got the kind of veins Keith Richards would kill for.

:laugh2:

Cromartie and Felix works all day long for me... Though I have some doubts about Jones.

But to the guy who said Cromartie was just living off his name -- If you watched the Senior Bowl, you saw that the guy is a player. Wouldn't matter if his name was Mud.

Or even Winicki. :p:

[This is Our Year]

If that was our 1st round I would be thrilled with those picks.

[Oh_Canada]

I'd rather take a guard in the 3rd. We've got a lot of young potential on the roster at tackle.


He can play both.....he has Larry Allen type size/strength coming out of college that is for sure.