Question: Does Jerry Jones really have any say over roster management anymore?

[TruBlueCowboy]

Am I reading this wrong, or does anyone get the feeling that Jones is basically now Parcells' lap dog? It seems as though every major free agent or trade decision was brought on by Parcells' iniative. Testaverde, Henson, Keyshawn, Glenn, George, Anderson, Young, Campbell..... Parcells always talks about these moves as though he knew the player, or talked to someone about the player and then had Jones' blessing to go ahead with it. As Parcells put it in New England, I really do think he is the one picking out the groceries. I thought it was odd how Ron Wolf, Tom Coughlin and other Parcells buddies were seen in both training camps evaluating talent for the Cowboys. Shouldn't Jones and his staff be doing that? Nothing wrong with bringing in great football minds when you have the connections but some of these guys were in camp for several weeks.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing to leave most of the roster management responsibilities up to the coach, but the more Parcells confesses about the changes he might have made in the offseason, it really looks like he is the sole catalyst in our roster rebuilding. I wonder if Jones has taken a hands off approach as much as possible to make it work? Because of his questionable track record, I don't disagree with Jones sticking with the contract negotiations, but I think it's nice to have a legit GM and a legit coach who keep each other in check. There have been a lot of great coaches who had trouble trying to pick their players without a true GM to help.

Parcells now confesses he should have spent more of Jones' money? Shouldn't Jerry Jones have been trying to get him to do this? I know a lot of us were disappointed in how cheap the Cowboys were in the offseason. We're all armchair GMs of course but a lot of people were a little curious as to why the Cowboys weren't more aggressively competing in free agency.

Do you think Parcells should bring in a GM? Do you think Jones would allow it? It sounds to me as though no one is there to question any of Parcells' moves. He's a great football mind and a coach I feel comfortable giving that many responsibilites to, but I think he could use some help.

[mr.jameswoods]

Yeah he does. And let's be honest, none of us including me complained about our recent drafts and off-season acquisitions until now. I mean this isn't like the 2001 draft where we took Carter with the first pick and half our fans were divided instantly. This year, we all loved the Bufalo trade and Julius Jones pick. It's just a tragedy that Jones got injured and that Marcellus Wiley has done nothing.

Regarding the Antonio Bryant trade, I'm happy with that. I saw Quincy Morgan play at K. State so I know he has got the goods. And I think Bryant was overrated. He has talent but not the mental game and discipline to be a stand out receiver.

[Jack Burton]

I don't think Jerry Jones is, or ever will be anyone's lapdog. It's just not in his character to be passive like that.

He's still the main reason for all of our successes and failures.

[SuspectCorner]

yeah, jerry still has power. bet he was behind the wiley deal. can't they wedge a few desks in front of his office door. with him in it. oh. and cut the phone lines.

[TruBlueCowboy]

yeah, jerry still has power. bet he was behind the wiley deal. can't they wedge a few desks in front of his office door. with him in it. oh. and cut the phone lines.

Funny you mention Wiley because that was one guy I left off the list. He's one player I couldn't remember a Parcells anecdote in a press conference that pointed to BP wanting Wiley or iniating the trade. Maybe someone else can clear this up.

[crazylegs]

Yeah he does. And let's be honest, none of us including me complained about our recent drafts and off-season acquisitions until now. I mean this isn't like the 2001 draft where we took Carter with the first pick and half our fans were divided instantly. This year, we all loved the Bufalo trade and Julius Jones pick. It's just a tragedy that Jones got injured and that Marcellus Wiley has done nothing.

Regarding the Antonio Bryant trade, I'm happy with that. I saw Quincy Morgan play at K. State so I know he has got the goods. And I think Bryant was overrated. He has talent but not the mental game and discipline to be a stand out receiver.

:eek: This year, we all loved the Bufalo trade and Julius Jones pick. :eek:

Speak for yourself and not the entire forum.

[Waffle]

!:eek: This year, we all loved the Bufalo trade and Julius Jones pick. !:eek:

Speak for yourself and not the entire forum.
I think he meant to say we all loved the Bruce Thornton pick. :D

[AmishCowboy]

Hey, we all wanted a coach who would not be a "Yes" man to Jerry, Like Campo and Gailey, Give Bill some time it's like like this team is loaded with Talent and after the GB game, we've heard that Parcell's is going to do things the way he wants such as Bigger Defensive players,maybe 3-4 next year,get some high tier FA's, so either Jerry gets on board with this or Bill will quit and we'll get another "Yes" man.

[mr.jameswoods]

:eek: This year, we all loved the Bufalo trade and Julius Jones pick. :eek:

Speak for yourself and not the entire forum.

Do you realize that we are going to have a top 5 pick in next years draft with that Buffalo pick? We all wanted Steven Jackson over Julius Jones but if a team is that stupid to trade their first round pick next year particularly one that is going to probably end up with one of the first 3 picks in the draft then you have to take that.

I was upset about not taking Jackson at first too but if you actually stop to think about it instead of lashing out, you will realize it was a brilliant move. Jackson is good but there is a reason he slipped that far.

[Clay_Allison]

:eek: This year, we all loved the Bufalo trade and Julius Jones pick. :eek:

Speak for yourself and not the entire forum.

Go ahead and say it, we got ripped off by getting a top-10 (at least) pick AND a 2nd for #22 http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[mr.jameswoods]

Go ahead and say it, we got ripped off by getting a top-10 (at least) pick AND a 2nd for #22 http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Put another way, Steven Jackson is not worth a top 5 pick in next years draft.

[Bach]

I'm sure Jerry is deferring to Bill alot lately, but he still hasn't totally turned it over to him. Although I'm sure all of those former Jets were Bill's additions and the AB trade - of course - JJ still has to officially "sign off" on it.

But I have heard that T-New was all Jerry's doing. It seems Bill really preferred Kevin Williams. But I won't fault JJ for T-New not playing well since everyone had him as a legit top 5 pick.

That being said, I do wish someone would hide JJ's keys on draft day.

[OLDSCHOOL]

Come on now, Jerry will never give total control over to anyone but his son, and that will not happen until he retires, and maybe not then.

Jerry was the driver of the decision to release Carter,because he believes Henson will do something.
BP, really did not want to do that, but he was convinced by Jerry, and as he said in the press conference he always defer to Jerry, and that Jerry has the final say so, plus he signs his checks.

Did you not notice that he in all the major decisions, that BP always direct the press to Jerry, when they start to bombard him with difficult questions.
BP is no lapdog to Jerry, but he does direct those questions to Jerry.

I caught on to that real quick, that is how I know that Jerry is still working, but BP is doing his share, too. Now in the Bryant case I believe BP pulled that string.

Jerry has the final say so on everything, never forget that

[Maikeru-sama]

I think Jerry Jones still has a considerable amount of say in roster moves. According to this article, Parcells preferred Defensive Tackle, Kevin Williams out of Oklahma State, Jerry preferred Newman.

"If your team is divided or your organization is divided," said Parcells, who left after the season to join the New York Jets as coach and general manager, "that is the first thing that will eliminate any chance you have of winning."

Dallas faced a similar situation before the 2003 draft.

Parcells preferred Oklahoma State defensive tackle Kevin Williams, while Jones preferred cornerback Terence Newman.


LINK (http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstory/stories/092704cpcowlede.377ff.html)

I wonder if there was a difference of opinion about Eddie George as well....

- Mike G.

[crazylegs]

Go ahead and say it, we got ripped off by getting a top-10 (at least) pick AND a 2nd for #22 http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Do you realize that we are going to have a top 5 pick in next years draft with that Buffalo pick? We all wanted Steven Jackson over Julius Jones but if a team is that stupid to trade their first round pick next year particularly one that is going to probably end up with one of the first 3 picks in the draft then you have to take that.

I was upset about not taking Jackson at first too but if you actually stop to think about it instead of lashing out, you will realize it was a brilliant move. Jackson is good but there is a reason he slipped that far.

Oh boy. :rolleyes:

JJones very well might not be the RB everyone hopes he is.

We just might have to take that vaulted buffalo 1st on yet again another RB, and who to say that the unmentioned RB is even as good as Jackson.

There are just too many variables on the table for everyone to ballyhoo about when we knew what we had on the table at the time when our number was called in the draft. Also who was to say that buffalo’s pick wouldn't be the 30th? Again all of these hopes and prayers were just luck and Jerry Jones usually loses these "lucky" draft position picks.

I really hate posting a reply towards these hind site theories. Be like me and post a prognosticate for a change.

[TruBlueCowboy]

I think Jerry Jones still has a considerable amount of say in roster moves. According to this article, Parcells preferred Defensive Tackle, Kevin Williams out of Oklahma State, Jerry preferred Newman.



LINK (http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstory/stories/092704cpcowlede.377ff.html)

I wonder if there was a difference of opinion about Eddie George as well....

- Mike G.

Ya know, I wondered about the draft. While almost 90% of the free agent moves seem to be Parcell's idea, Jones does seem to have a little influence with the draft. Lordy, lordy, if there's one thing I don't want his say in, it's the draft! :p Another thing that made me wonder if Jones has more say in the draft was when Parcells skipped the Combine and let the Jones family go instead.

[SuspectCorner]

Ya know, I wondered about the draft. While almost 90% of the free agent moves seem to be Parcell's idea, Jones does seem to have a little influence with the draft. Lordy, lordy, if there's one thing I don't want his say in, it's the draft! :p Another thing that made me wonder if Jones has more say in the draft was when Parcells skipped the Combine and let the Jones family go instead.
whatever happened to the whole let the "cook buy the groceries" thing?

[2much2soon]

But I won't fault JJ for T-New not playing well since everyone had him as a legit top 5 pick.


With the cb situation at the time, and with TNew's college resume, it was an intelligent pick.

Can you imagine if they had drafted a DT instead and had ended up with some scrub FA in place of Newman? And the pass defense was in even worse shape than it is now? JJ would be getting hammered for not taking Newman when he had the chance.

Its interesting to ponder whether Stephen Jones is learning from his Dad's personnel mistakes. Maybe he will be a fantastic GM when he finally does take over the reins.

He has certainly seen firsthand all the wrong ways to manage drafts...

[Clay_Allison]

Oh boy. :rolleyes:

JJones very well might not be the RB everyone hopes he is.

We just might have to take that vaulted buffalo 1st on yet again another RB, and who to say that the unmentioned RB is even as good as Jackson.

There are just too many variables on the table for everyone to ballyhoo about when we knew what we had on the table at the time when our number was called in the draft. Also who was to say that buffalo’s pick wouldn't be the 30th? Again all of these hopes and prayers were just luck and Jerry Jones usually loses these "lucky" draft position picks.

I really hate posting a reply towards these hind site theories. Be like me and post a prognosticate for a change.

Hey, I thought Buffalo would suck this year for several reasons despite Chris Mortenson's idiocy. They had done nothing to improve a terrible o-line, their defense lost Antoine Winfield, coach Gregg Williams, and was overrated anyway (like ours), they had a lame duck at QB as Bledsoe was destined to leave. Their head coach was not only in his first year with the Bills, but his first year as a head coach period. That's prognistication.