View Full Version : Why not Stallworth?
Joe Rod
02-18-2008, 04:15 PM
Sorry if this has been discussed, but I have been out a few weeks getting surgery and was hoping for some catch up conversation. With all of the Free Agent WR's out there on the horizon, I don't seem to see Stallworth getting any pubilicity. Seems that when healthy, he would be a pretty good compliment to TO. Could be the Hydrocodone talking though. Any opinions or updates on what I may have missed would be appreciated. :)
Doomsday101
02-18-2008, 04:18 PM
Sorry if this has been discussed, but I have been out a few weeks getting surgery and was hoping for some catch up conversation. With all of the Free Agent WR's out there on the horizon, I don't seem to see Stallworth getting any pubilicity. Seems that when healthy, he would be a pretty good compliment to TO. Could be the Hydrocodone talking though. Any opinions or updates on what I may have missed would be appreciated. :)
I would consider him in the 2nd tier of FA WR but as you said I think he would be a compliment to TO. Now is he a FA?
Yeagermeister
02-18-2008, 04:24 PM
One word......injury prone
Muhast
02-18-2008, 04:29 PM
yea he is injury prone.
He has play 6 years and still has yet to reach 1000 yards receiving.
No thanks.
rojan
02-18-2008, 04:30 PM
I would be very happy if we sign Our guys and Stallworth instead of let one of our guys go(Hamlin or Adams) and get a player like Roy. I love how Stallworth runs after the catch and he has blazing speed. Perfect player to stretch the field and takes them screen passes for 10 yards
Yeagermeister
02-18-2008, 04:33 PM
I would be very happy if we sign Our guys and Stallworth instead of let one of our guys go(Hamlin or Adams) and get a player like Roy. I love how Stallworth runs after the catch and he has blazing speed. Perfect player to stretch the field and takes them screen passes for 10 yards
Yeah he can do all that if he's not hurt. You can only count on him playing maybe 10 games a year.
Doomsday101
02-18-2008, 04:37 PM
Yeah he can do all that if he's not hurt. You can only count on him playing maybe 10 games a year.
He managed 16 games last season. I would not pay top dollar for Stallworth but at a lower rate than what the top WR are getting and yes I think he would be a very good compliment to TO
joseephuss
02-18-2008, 04:38 PM
At what price? He may be a good addition if he is not too expensive, but he would not be my first choice. Like Dooms said, he is a second tier FA. Explore other options and if nothing pans out, then maybe look at him. Just don't spend too much doing it. He disappeared in the AFC championship and Superbowl.
Yeagermeister
02-18-2008, 04:42 PM
He managed 16 games last season. I would not pay top dollar for Stallworth but at a lower rate than what the top WR are getting and yes I think he would be a very good compliment to TO
I could be wrong but I don't think he played all 16 games. I know he missed some games. It might have been preseason though.
EPL0c0
02-18-2008, 04:44 PM
I heard the Bears cut WR Mushin Muhammad. is Stallworth a better option than Muhammad?
DeepBleu
02-18-2008, 04:45 PM
Sorry if this has been discussed, but I have been out a few weeks getting surgery and was hoping for some catch up conversation. With all of the Free Agent WR's out there on the horizon, I don't seem to see Stallworth getting any pubilicity. Seems that when healthy, he would be a pretty good compliment to TO. Could be the Hydrocodone talking though. Any opinions or updates on what I may have missed would be appreciated. :)
you just said so yourself. he is hardly ever healthy. i would sign him for a performance based contract, but he ain't getting a half way decent signing bonus.
rojan
02-18-2008, 04:45 PM
I would give him 1.5 milly a year plus incentives. He did finish the year 4th on the Pats depth chart and the W.R pool is supposta be big this year. I cant see him asking for much more.
Doomsday101
02-18-2008, 04:45 PM
At what price? He may be a good addition if he is not too expensive, but he would not be my first choice. Like Dooms said, he is a second tier FA. Explore other options and if nothing pans out, then maybe look at him. Just don't spend too much doing it. He disappeared in the AFC championship and Superbowl.
Thing is everyone expect top notch players at every position but teams can't afford to do that. I know Fitzgerald is a very good WR but he would come at a very high price. I think when talking about filling the #2 spot I think you want to find a guy who is a good compliment to your #1 WR. If would be great to get all pros at every position but I don’t think that is do able over the long haul. I think the Pats did the right thing is getting Moss and going out and looking for quality bargain players like Welker and Stallworth
rojan
02-18-2008, 04:46 PM
how much did he make last year?
Aikbach
02-18-2008, 04:47 PM
Respectfully I must say that the only reason Stallworth doesn't have an endorsement as a Butterfinger spokesman is because he can't hold on to the product for the duration of a commercial shoot.:D
Doomsday101
02-18-2008, 04:47 PM
I heard the Bears cut WR Mushin Muhammad. is Stallworth a better option than Muhammad?
I like Muhammad, I think he had a rough season this past year but then Chicago had some QB issues that did not help matters. Muhammad was big for Chicago during their SB run a couple of years ago and prior to that Muhammad played very well for the panthers in helping them get to the SB
Woods
02-18-2008, 04:52 PM
A couple of younger guys are DJ Hackett of Seattle, who has good speed, and J Gage of Tenn.
Personally, I'd take a look at Hackett if we weren't going to get a top tier WR in FA (R Williams).
CATCH17
02-18-2008, 04:58 PM
I'd rather give Glenn another opportunity.
rojan
02-18-2008, 05:00 PM
I like Muhammad, I think he had a rough season this past year but then Chicago had some QB issues that did not help matters. Muhammad was big for Chicago during their SB run a couple of years ago and prior to that Muhammad played very well for the panthers in helping them get to the SB
He was never considered a burner and at this point in the career i cant see him being any better than Crayton. We need someone with speed to stretch the field,IMHO.
Muhast
02-18-2008, 05:18 PM
I heard the Bears cut WR Mushin Muhammad. is Stallworth a better option than Muhammad?
Muhammed is 34. He has no business being a cowboy. Period.
Thing is everyone expect top notch players at every position but teams can't afford to do that. I know Fitzgerald is a very good WR but he would come at a very high price. I think when talking about filling the #2 spot I think you want to find a guy who is a good compliment to your #1 WR. If would be great to get all pros at every position but I don’t think that is do able over the long haul. I think the Pats did the right thing is getting Moss and going out and looking for quality bargain players like Welker and Stallworth
Fitzgerald would be a steal. He is young and just getting into his prime. We would be able to transition from TO to Larry and not miss a beat.
Stallworth is a good second option. He can stretch the field a la Glenn and free up Whitten and TO.
Either WR will make our offence that much more potent.
AZ_Cowboys_Fan
02-18-2008, 07:44 PM
Muhammed is 34. He has no business being a cowboy. Period.
thank you! somebody has some sense here. my best friend is a bears fan so i know all about his tenure in chicago. he's slow, old and drops more passes than you would think for a so-called possession receiver. We do NOT want this guy.
i want his teammate bernard berrian. yeah, we'd have to overpay for him but he would be the perfect deep threat to compliment T.O.
assuming we can't trade for roy williams then i would be fine with stallworth. he does get hurt and also drops passes but he has one thing we really need right now... speed. and i bet we could get him fairly cheap.
Future
02-18-2008, 08:13 PM
Muhammed is 34. He has no business being a cowboy. Period.
He's also not the type of WR we need. We need speed and a deep threat. He is niether.
Yakuza Rich
02-18-2008, 08:22 PM
Sorry if this has been discussed, but I have been out a few weeks getting surgery and was hoping for some catch up conversation. With all of the Free Agent WR's out there on the horizon, I don't seem to see Stallworth getting any pubilicity. Seems that when healthy, he would be a pretty good compliment to TO. Could be the Hydrocodone talking though. Any opinions or updates on what I may have missed would be appreciated. :)
I wouldn't be totally against it. Dallas could have a similar receiving corp to what the Patriots had this past season with Owens = Moss, Stallworth being the much needed deep threat opposite of Owens, Crayton being a threat underneath similar to Welker and Witten being a giant mismatch if teams try to sick a linebacker on him in coverage.
YAKUZA
noletime95
02-18-2008, 10:36 PM
I wouldn't be totally against it. Dallas could have a similar receiving corp to what the Patriots had this past season with Owens = Moss, Stallworth being the much needed deep threat opposite of Owens, Crayton being a threat underneath similar to Welker and Witten being a giant mismatch if teams try to sick a linebacker on him in coverage.
YAKUZA
I know what you are saying, but Crayton just isn't the player Welker is.......and I'm not knocking Crayton (well maybe his playoff performance :lmao: ), I'm just suggesting Welker is as good a slot guy I've every seen.
Yakuza Rich
02-18-2008, 10:48 PM
I know what you are saying, but Crayton just isn't the player Welker is.......and I'm not knocking Crayton (well maybe his playoff performance :lmao: ), I'm just suggesting Welker is as good a slot guy I've every seen.
Welker is great, but Crayton is really good in the slot as well and probably a better deep threat. I just don't think the margin between Welker in the slot and Crayton in the slot is that huge. Either way, we could really use a deep threat opposite of Owens. A guy that scares defenses enough to give them safety help over the top.
That's what the Pats did and it left Welker and Watson in single coverage situations. And if a team tried to put a defensive back on Watson, then they were likely to leave a safety and/or linebacker on Welker. And if they did the opposite, then Watson would have the advantage.
Owens isn't nearly the deep threat that Moss is, but he's still a guy that gets safety help over the top. If Dallas can get that legit deep threat opposite of Owens and possibly get a back that can catch the ball out of the backfield like Faulk, this would be a better, more explosive offense.
YAKUZA
Doomsday101
02-19-2008, 08:10 AM
Fitzgerald would be a steal. He is young and just getting into his prime. We would be able to transition from TO to Larry and not miss a beat.
Stallworth is a good second option. He can stretch the field a la Glenn and free up Whitten and TO.
Either WR will make our offence that much more potent.
Steal? He would be extremely costly. I'm not opposed to it but I think it is funny how every time a big name is out there people claim how we need him without any thought to the cost to the Cowboys not to mention does Dallas have to fork over more for Flo, Hamlin and a possible pay increase to Owens? As I said you can't have all pros at every position if you go after Fitzgerald that will have an effect on any other FA you may go after
sadams
02-19-2008, 08:27 AM
No thanks
EPL0c0
02-19-2008, 09:30 AM
Muhammed is 34. He has no business being a cowboy. Period.
I've seen more from an older Muhammad than a younger Stallworthless. As much as I've railed against Crayton as of late, I'd rather have Crayton than Stallworth
BraveHeartFan
02-19-2008, 11:05 AM
Stalworth will probably, again, be asking for more money than he's worth. He would be a decent option on the other side, and has the nice stretch the field speed, but would only be worth it at a nice, lower, price.
Mush, as I call him, was great at one time but at 34 is too old and doesn't serve the purpose of a deep threat, speed guy, that we need on the other side of T.O. and doesn't serve the purpose of possibly being a future number one when T.O.'s days are through.
DawnOfANewD
02-19-2008, 11:50 AM
you just said so yourself. he is hardly ever healthy. i would sign him for a performance based contract, but he ain't getting a half way decent signing bonus.
Um, he has missed just 4 games out of 64 over the last four years....
http://www.nfl.com/players/donte'stallworth/careerstats?id=STA280100
Chocolate Lab
02-19-2008, 11:53 AM
Stallworth's a punk. And he was behind Jabar Gaffney by the end of the year anyway.
No thanks for anything more than an absolute dirt cheap deal.
joseephuss
02-19-2008, 11:55 AM
Um, he has missed just 4 games out of 64 over the last four years....
http://www.nfl.com/players/donte'stallworth/careerstats?id=STA280100
Weren't those 4 games missed due to suspension? Isn't he one strike away from being banned for a whole season? I am not sure if I am remembering correctly.
We don't need another receiver that drops the ball too often.
BraveHeartFan
02-19-2008, 01:17 PM
Stallworth's a punk. And he was behind Jabar Gaffney by the end of the year anyway.
No thanks for anything more than an absolute dirt cheap deal.
I'm not a huge Stalworth fan but Gaffney never started a game over Donte. He began to catch a few more balls, underneath with Welker, when teams focused on taking Moss and Donte's big play ability out of the equation.
Chocolate Lab
02-19-2008, 01:59 PM
Not sure why you say that. According to several sites, he did.
joseephuss
02-19-2008, 02:10 PM
NFL.com has these listings:
Randy Moss started 16 games
Wes Welker started 13 games
Donte' Stallworth started 9 games
Jabbar Gaffney started 7 games
I don't know what that truly indicates. It is dependent on what formation the team starts out in and that can depend on their initial field position and other factors. Marion Barber did not start any regular season games for Dallas, but everyone knows his importance. Stallworth had his role and from what I could see it kind of matches the number of games started. He was the 3rd receiver option. I also know he disappeared in the final two post season games.
InmanRoshi
02-19-2008, 02:12 PM
I'd much rather get Stallworth on a cheaper contract than give someone like Bernard Berrian a premium FA contract when he's clearly not a premium player.
Joe Rod
02-19-2008, 02:29 PM
Not sure why you say that. According to several sites, he did.
I pulled this blurb from Scouts Inc as to why Gaffney was receiving those starts over Stallworth:
"Scouts Take:
Stallworth's skills may be too similar to those of WR Randy Moss to benefit the offense as much as another short- and intermediate-range possession receiver (like WR Jabar Gaffney) does. "
Given that description, it would seem that Stallworth would fit quite well opposite TO and Witten if he could be had for a reasonable contract. A verticle threat is exactly what this team lacked last year.
khiladi
02-19-2008, 09:09 PM
The only thing I remember him for was the TD catch against the Cowboys... other than that, he seemed to have disappeared...
REDVOLUTION
02-19-2008, 09:18 PM
For some reason when I see him on the field he looks so thick and large that he looks like he is on steroids.
I am not saying he is.... but he looks un-natural for some reason.
I've always like Stallworth. He's got a lot of playmaker in him, though he makes too many mistakes to ever be considered a feature receiver.
I do think he's better than Patrick Crayton, though.
Aikbach
02-19-2008, 09:31 PM
One word......injury pronePerhaps if hyphenated you could pull it off as one but you've managed to turn it into two.:D
cowboyz
02-19-2008, 09:33 PM
if stallworth wanted to play for a cheap contract he'd resign with the patriots...
just not worth the money for a guy that's injured. he won't be as motivated to play as he did for the patriots
Krystalina_
02-19-2008, 10:08 PM
On the Cowboys..
Donte Stallworth "I hate them, I hate them, I hate them."
cowboyed
02-20-2008, 06:37 AM
Stallworth's a punk. And he was behind Jabar Gaffney by the end of the year anyway.
No thanks for anything more than an absolute dirt cheap deal.
I don't know if he is a punk Choco but he most definitely is an underachiever considering the talent he has. Stallworth is as tantalizing a receiver as there is in the league but mentally he is made for flag football.
chinch
02-20-2008, 07:08 PM
crayton is more useful and cheaper.
i can't be bothered to read 4 pages of Stalworth so i don't know if this has been answered but has this guy ever gone a full NFL season without an injury?
Joe Rod
02-20-2008, 07:40 PM
i can't be bothered to read 4 pages of Stalworth so i don't know if this has been answered but has this guy ever gone a full NFL season without an injury?
Yes. According to NFL.com, he has played the full sixteen games in three of the last four seasons, missing four games in 2006.
5mics
02-21-2008, 07:03 AM
Sorry if this has been discussed, but I have been out a few weeks getting surgery and was hoping for some catch up conversation. With all of the Free Agent WR's out there on the horizon, I don't seem to see Stallworth getting any pubilicity. Seems that when healthy, he would be a pretty good compliment to TO. Could be the Hydrocodone talking though. Any opinions or updates on what I may have missed would be appreciated. :)
Yes, I would love to pick-up Stallworth w/ an incentive-based contract to be our #2 WR. Perfect compliment to T.O. Yes, it would be taking a chance since he's had injury issues, but I'd take it under this scenario. I'd also be in favor in a trade for Roy Williams or T-Fitzgerald, but those are unlikely becuz of the price their teams would want in return. Our best bet is to sign a FA vet like Stallworth and use our picks on other needs......
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