Would you trade for Det Roy Williams?

[tommyboy10]

Give up #28 for Roy Williams, the WR, not the old, slow one we already have?

[zrinkill]

Give up #28 for Roy Williams, the WR, not the old, slow one we already have?

Yes ...

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Give up #28 for Roy Williams, the WR, not the old, slow one we already have?

You bet!! Who do we call??

[tommyboy10]

Seems like they might do it. Doesn't he go FA next year? Be more value now than after they let him walk, wouldn't it?

[CowboyWay]

Yes. Next question.

[The Panch]

That's a no brainer. He's not in that "elite" receiver class, but he's definitely done a lot with an average cast in Detroit and imagining him with the O-line, QB and T.O. we have would give us one of the best 1-2 punches in the league, if not the best(pending on Indy).

[Cbz40]

I would be OK w/that trade.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We can get him for no draft picks next offseason and he wants $8 mil a year..

No.

[The Panch]

We can get him for no draft picks next offseason and he wants $8 mil a year..

No.
The question is.... Can we wait a year? We're not Indy or New England where we're known for staying consistent year after year by making great drafts. We're hot right now and there's go guarantee we wont go back to being an average team again in a matter of time. We havent shown to be a consistent franchise yet. Granted Romo will still be here, but to have Owens still in his prime with a young receiver who's made a name for himself would be great.

[tommyboy10]

We can get him for no draft picks next offseason and he wants $8 mil a year..

No.

I was wondering how many thoughts like that were out there. I hadn't heard his salary demands yet.

So who else that we actually could get would you trade that #28 or our second rounder for?

[5Stars]

Give up #28 for Roy Williams, the WR, not the old, slow one we already have?


Uh..yeah? :confused:

Next question!!!!

:eek:

[Spectre]

Without a doubt.
No question.
Would be the best Cowboys move since adding cheerleaders.

He is far better than ANY of the WRs available in this year's draft and has proven it at the pro level for one of the worst teams in the league.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The question is.... Can we wait a year? We're not Indy or New England where we're known for staying consistent year after year by making great drafts. We're hot right now and there's go guarantee we wont go back to being an average team again in a matter of time. We havent shown to be a consistent franchise yet.

Sure we can. If Romo's thumb is healed and TO comes back we had one of the most prolific passing attacks in NFL history and we would have so again.

Id rather take Caldwell, Sweed, Doucet or Henry and save 7 mil a year and if they dont pan out get RW for no draft picks the next year.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was wondering how many thoughts like that were out there. I hadn't heard his salary demands yet.

So who else that we actually could get would you trade that #28 or our second rounder for?

Nothing I'd draft Sweed, Doucet, Talib, Cason, Henry, Rice, Johnson, Forte and guys like that.

[TheCount]

The Lions have made it clear they don't plan to move Roy, that they want to see what Calvin and Roy can do on the same field.

So the point is moot.

[DR.WARE]

yes no questions asked

[dallasfaniac]

I don't know that I would make that trade.

He has been listed in the injury report multiple times for knee, ankle, quadricep, shoulder/neck, back and hamstring. Granted he didn't miss time with all of them, but the fact that his name would show up so often is a red flag.

He is going to want to be payed very well when his new contract is due and like Fuzzy said, why spend a pick on someone that will probably hit the market next year anyway?

I can't help but feel I would rather gamble on Javon Walker (who shows up on injury reports just as much) because the the market appears to be pushing his value down. We could always spend a pick on a rookie WR to hedge our bets and all told still come in under the salary it would take to sign Roy.

[tommyboy10]

The Lions have made it clear they don't plan to move Roy, that they want to see what Calvin and Roy can do on the same field.

So the point is moot.

Nah, you dreamkiller....anything is possible. Probable, no, but still possible.

[5Stars]

Without a doubt.
No question.
Would be the best Cowboys move since adding cheerleaders.

He is far better than ANY of the WRs available in this year's draft and has proven it at the pro level for one of the worst teams in the league.


Are you freaking ghey! :laugh2:




(stupid cowboy fan)

[tommyboy10]

I'm a little scared of Sweed. Great receiver, yes, but hurt ALOT.

[tommyboy10]

I don't know that I would make that trade.

He has been listed in the injury report multiple times for knee, ankle, quadricep, shoulder/neck, back and hamstring. Granted he didn't miss time with all of them, but the fact that his name would show up so often is a red flag.

He is going to want to be payed very well when his new contract is due and like Fuzzy said, why spend a pick on someone that will probably hit the market next year anyway?

I can't help but feel I would rather gamble on Javon Walker (who shows up on injury reports just as much) because the the market appears to be pushing his value down. We could always spend a pick on a rookie WR to hedge our bets and all told still come in under the salary it would take to sign Roy.


Are you kidding. Tom Brady was on that same report every week. See how much time he missed. Same with Plaxico.

A healthy Walker would be great, but of the two choices, I'd give up the pick and take RW.

[Hostile]

Absolutely. I want to win it all and I think he gets us closer than a Draft pick could.

[dallasfaniac]

Are you kidding. Tom Brady was on that same report every week. See how much time he missed. Same with Plaxico.

A healthy Walker would be great, but of the two choices, I'd give up the pick and take RW.

Tom Brady hasn't missed a single game over the last 4 years, let alone 9 games like Roy Williams, who has started all 16 games once in his NFL career.

[tommyboy10]

Tom Brady hasn't missed a single game over the last 4 years, let alone 9 games like Roy Williams, who has started all 16 games once in his NFL career.

Agreed, however, I was just referring to the validity sometimes of the injury report. It is more of a strategic ploy than valid information depending on the team.

[dallasfaniac]

Agreed, however, I was just referring to the validity sometimes of the injury report. It is more of a strategic ploy than valid information depending on the team.

I could understand if it was like Brady where they had him listed every week for the same dummy injury but never missed any time, but to be listed for a whole slew of injuries and then miss time almost every year.....that little flag just goes up for me. At least with Walker, who has played a full 16 game season for 3 years and a rookie WR, you would have a couple guys on the cheap. Roy Williams is always an option next year if he hits the market.

[tommyboy10]

I could understand if it was like Brady where they had him listed every week for the same dummy injury but never missed any time, but to be listed for a whole slew of injuries and then miss time almost every year.....that little flag just goes up for me. At least with Walker, who has played a full 16 game season for 3 years and a rookie WR, you would have a couple guys on the cheap. Roy Williams is always an option next year if he hits the market.


that's fair

[BAT]

Yes, if necessary.


Would rather get him for our 2nd and Spears though.

[theogt]

Absolutely, without a doubt.

[zack]

Give up #28 for Roy Williams, the WR, not the old, slow one we already have?

No, are you kidding me? He now has the Lions losing ways in him that can't be beaten out of him. Plus he does tip the Pizza guy!

[montgod]

The Lions have made it clear they don't plan to move Roy, that they want to see what Calvin and Roy can do on the same field.

So the point is moot.

This is also what I heard. They are only willing to give up McDonald, which is what we already have in Crayton.

Next subject... nothing going on here.

[tommyboy10]

This is also what I heard. They are only willing to give up McDonald, which is what we already have in Crayton.

Next subject... nothing going on here.


again...we are not GM's for the DC. We are fans. This is a forum. If we want to chit chat about what ifs, we can. If you'd rather not, that's perfectly ok, just click the next screen and move on. Don't fault people for dreaming...lol...of course it will not happen, but it gets us thinking as fans and armchair owners and GM's about what we could do to better this team.

What's so wrong with that?

Sorry, I must be in a defensive mood tonight :))

[montgod]

again...we are not GM's for the DC. We are fans. This is a forum. If we want to chit chat about what ifs, we can. If you'd rather not, that's perfectly ok, just click the next screen and move on. Don't fault people for dreaming...lol...of course it will not happen, but it gets us thinking as fans and armchair owners and GM's about what we could do to better this team.

What's so wrong with that?

Sorry, I must be in a defensive mood tonight :))

Well... I didn't mean to tell you not to chit chat about it. Go ahead. It just seems that lately... there are re-treads after re-treads about subjects that we have gone over.

The Roy Williams threads pretty much died after Detroit publicly stated they were not going to trade him, but it is that time of year where not much is going on... so don't mind me, continue to day dream until we get to draft time.

If you are going to day dream though, I would have thought a better wr might come to mind... like maybe Fitz or Houz... or somebody like that instead of Roy Williams :D

[khiladi]

Tom Brady hasn't missed a single game over the last 4 years, let alone 9 games like Roy Williams, who has started all 16 games once in his NFL career.

Tom Brady's games were relevant, while the majority of seasons for Roy were not. Last year, he basically took the year off when they were out of the play-off picture.

I'd do the trade in a heart-beat...

And Detroit is going to lose him next year anyways... They know they have to get something for him, otherwise they will get nothing...

[tommyboy10]

Well... I didn't mean to tell you not to chit chat about it. Go ahead. It just seems that lately... there are re-treads after re-treads about subjects that we have gone over.

The Roy Williams threads pretty much died after Detroit publicly stated they were not going to trade him, but it is that time of year where not much is going on... so don't mind me, continue to day dream until we get to draft time.

If you are going to day dream though, I would have thought a better wr might come to mind... like maybe Fitz or Houz... or somebody like that instead of Roy Williams :D


I try to keep even my dreams in check...lol

and as I previously stated, I haven't been on in a while for those other threads of this discussion...my bad

[TtownCowboy]

Question is how does he rate to this years crop of WRs? I don't follow college enough to say if this draft is heavy talent wise in the WR dept. If not I say take the gamble. Also, if there is no doubt he has no interest in signing w/the Lions when his contract is up they'd be crazy not to field offers. Of course this is Matt Millen.

[tommyboy10]

Question is how does he rate to this years crop of WRs? I don't follow college enough to say if this draft is heavy talent wise in the WR dept. If not I say take the gamble. Also, if there is no doubt he has no interest in signing w/the Lions when his contract is up they'd be crazy not to field offers. Of course this is Matt Millen.

true...great point, and I agree....Millen will once again be the biggest loser once this is all said and done! might as well get something for him from someone in the meantime, right!

[Spectre]

Are you freaking ghey! :laugh2:
(stupid cowboy fan)
Seeing as how I pronounced the addition of cheerleaders a good thing...
you sound more like a pot calling the kettle black.

[tommyboy10]

Seeing as how I pronounced the addition of cheerleaders a good thing...
you sound more like a pot calling the kettle black.

I kind of wondered about that whole thing earlier, but decided to let it go.

LOL

[dallasfaniac]

... They know they have to get something for him, otherwise they will get nothing...

It's one thing to try trading someone rather than cutting them, it's another to trade someone just because they will be a free agent the next year. Every team has to go into the season thinking 'this could be the year'. The Lions were 7-9 last year with players being hurt and have added Bodden, Smith and got rid of Rogers in the process. The way Millen drafts, they would be better off with Roy Williams talent for one year than the player they draft that will be out of the league in 2.

[tommyboy10]

It's one thing to try trading someone rather than cutting them, it's another to trade someone just because they will be a free agent the next year. Every team has to go into the season thinking 'this could be the year'. The Lions were 7-9 last year with players being hurt and have added Bodden, Smith and got rid of Rogers in the process. The way Millen drafts, they would be better off with Roy Williams talent for one year than the player they draft that will be out of the league in 2.


sad for Millen, but true

[Cowboys2008]

Yes. My second scenario is a CB in round 1 and trade the other pick for a WR. Roy Williams is at the top of my list. The guy has always just reminded me of Irvin. He needs to be a Cowboy if we can make it happen.

[Carlito]

Yes, I would trade for williams and still look for wr in the draft in a later round if we gave up #28. He is very good and paired up with Owens would be a good combo. I would love for us to use #22 on Rogers-Cromarte if he lasts that long then maybe get a rb in the 2nd round such as Charles from Texas. He would be a great speed back to pair up with Barber...

[SuspectCorner]

Give up #28 for Roy Williams, the WR, not the old, slow one we already have?

Would you trade a ten dollar bill for a twenty? Allday, everyday...

hello championship.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Tom Brady's games were relevant, while the majority of seasons for Roy were not. Last year, he basically took the year off when they were out of the play-off picture.

I'd do the trade in a heart-beat...

And Detroit is going to lose him next year anyways... They know they have to get something for him, otherwise they will get nothing...

How can you sit there and admit that he gave up on his team and not think thats an issue?

[theogt]

How can you sit there and admit that he gave up on his team and not think thats an issue?Where did he say it's not an issue?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I must really say I am baffled that a board where the major consensus was that signing Moss would be cost prohibitive thinks that a less talented and more injury prone receiver is acceptable. There are so many points that make this deal for a first a bad idea.

1) He will be a UFA next year so basically you are trading a year of RW for a first round draft pick. He wants to come to Texas.
2) He is asking for $8 mil a year but more than likely would be agreeable to $7mil per but even at that rate we still have contracts of Newman and Ware coming up.
3) The Lions are asking for anywhere from a reported first to a second to saying hes not on the block. Offering him top dollar given that is just dumb.
4) He has been injured 3 out of the four years hes been in the league. Injury prone players tend to remain injury prone. heck he even ended last year on the injury list which constitutes damaged goods.
5) He gave up on his team last year at the end and by all accounts was very difficult to motivate. I don't see how giving him a huge contract will help that very much.


Yet despite this we get thread after thread about how we should give up first rounders for this guy but a guy like Fitzgerald who is twice the player RW is doesnt get nearly the attention.

Oh and theo you need to learn I am not responding to your drivel anymore.

[theogt]

I must really say I am baffled that a board where the major consensus was that signing Moss would be cost prohibitive thinks that a less talented and more injury prone receiver is acceptable. There are so many points that make this deal for a first a bad idea.

1) He will be a UFA next year so basically you are trading a year of RW for a first round draft pick. He wants to come to Texas.
2) He is asking for $8 mil a year but more than likely would be agreeable to $7mil per but even at that rate we still have contracts of Newman and Ware coming up.
3) The Lions are asking for anywhere from a reported first to a second to saying hes not on the block. Offering him top dollar given that is just dumb.
4) He has been injured 3 out of the four years hes been in the league. Injury prone players tend to remain injury prone. heck he even ended last year on the injury list which constitutes damaged goods.
5) He gave up on his team last year at the end and by all accounts was very difficult to motivate. I don't see how giving him a huge contract will help that very much.


Yet despite this we get thread after thread about how we should give up first rounders for this guy but a guy like Fitzgerald who is twice the player RW is doesnt get nearly the attention.

Oh and theo you need to learn I am not responding to your drivel anymore.Yes, I'm sure you're baffled that only an extreme minority of people agree with you. This is about as big a no-brainer as it gets and you being against it pretty much confirms that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This message is hidden because theogt is on your ignore list.

The bandwagon fallacy was it for me. Go troll someone else with your childish behavior.

[theogt]

This message is hidden because theogt is on your ignore list.

The bandwagon fallacy was it for me. Go troll someone else with your childish behavior.LOL. What a doofus.

$10 says you just removed me from ignore to see what I typed in this post.

[Sarge]

LOL. What a doofus.

$10 says you just removed me from ignore to see what I typed in this post.

:laugh2: ............. and probably true.

[zack]

I must really say I am baffled that a board where the major consensus was that signing Moss would be cost prohibitive thinks that a less talented and more injury prone receiver is acceptable. There are so many points that make this deal for a first a bad idea.

1) He will be a UFA next year so basically you are trading a year of RW for a first round draft pick. He wants to come to Texas.
2) He is asking for $8 mil a year but more than likely would be agreeable to $7mil per but even at that rate we still have contracts of Newman and Ware coming up.
3) The Lions are asking for anywhere from a reported first to a second to saying hes not on the block. Offering him top dollar given that is just dumb.
4) He has been injured 3 out of the four years hes been in the league. Injury prone players tend to remain injury prone. heck he even ended last year on the injury list which constitutes damaged goods.
5) He gave up on his team last year at the end and by all accounts was very difficult to motivate. I don't see how giving him a huge contract will help that very much.


Yet despite this we get thread after thread about how we should give up first rounders for this guy but a guy like Fitzgerald who is twice the player RW is doesnt get nearly the attention.

Oh and theo you need to learn I am not responding to your drivel anymore.

:bow:

[TtownCowboy]

I must really say I am baffled that a board where the major consensus was that signing Moss would be cost prohibitive thinks that a less talented and more injury prone receiver is acceptable. There are so many points that make this deal for a first a bad idea.

1) He will be a UFA next year so basically you are trading a year of RW for a first round draft pick. He wants to come to Texas.
2) He is asking for $8 mil a year but more than likely would be agreeable to $7mil per but even at that rate we still have contracts of Newman and Ware coming up.
3) The Lions are asking for anywhere from a reported first to a second to saying hes not on the block. Offering him top dollar given that is just dumb.
4) He has been injured 3 out of the four years hes been in the league. Injury prone players tend to remain injury prone. heck he even ended last year on the injury list which constitutes damaged goods.
5) He gave up on his team last year at the end and by all accounts was very difficult to motivate. I don't see how giving him a huge contract will help that very much.


Yet despite this we get thread after thread about how we should give up first rounders for this guy but a guy like Fitzgerald who is twice the player RW is doesnt get nearly the attention.

Oh and theo you need to learn I am not responding to your drivel anymore.

Hey if it were to be RW vs. Fitz, Fitz any day of the week. I personally haven't heard any rumor/spec. of Fitz to Dallas for a pick except some wishful thinking on this board. Where as there has been talk in the media of Dallas being a suitor for an RW trade.

Thing is RW could very well be a different player here than in Detroit. Seems being in a losing org. can do that to you. Look at L. Davis. A lot of what you said above was said about him. I for one am thrilled w/him so far.

Sadly I don't think RW or Fitz are coming in via trade this year.

[BraveHeartFan]

Give up #28 for Roy Williams, the WR, not the old, slow one we already have?


I would if that is what it took and it didn't take anymore than that.

[stasheroo]

I think Roy Williams will have to force his way out of Detroit if he expects to leave this year.

He may have to assume the role of malcontent bad guy to get it done.

If his desire to 'come home' is as strong as he's indicated, he needs to tell the Lions in no uncertain terms that he will not play for them in 2008 or beyond.

[tommyboy10]

you may very well be right. the best thing for him to do is have an awesome productive contract year. I can't blame Det for wanting to see he and Johnson lined up together this year.

Still though, I'd line him up in our offense all day long.

[Sarge]

Still though, I'd line him up in our offense all day long.

Anyone who knows anything about the guy would.