Gunman Opens Fire at Jerusalem Seminary, Killing at Least 8

[Dallas]

This is why Hamas and Palistine will never be allowed a voice in the free world. This is why there will never be any peace w/ Isreal and Arab countries. The barbarism that Muslims embrace is deplorable.

Please - one of you liberals who love to spin crap back onto the US. Please do so w/ the below article. Should be an interesting post I bet.

Let's get it started.


JERUSALEM — A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical seminary and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, killing eight people and wounding nine before he was slain, police and rescue workers said. It was the first major militant attack in Jerusalem in more than four years.

Earlier reports said there were two gunmen and quoted a death toll of at least 10.

Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip praised the operation in a statement, and thousands of Palestinians took to the streets of Gaza to celebrate.

The day's violence, which also included a deadly ambush of an army patrol near Israel's border with Gaza, was likely to complicate attempts by Egypt to arrange a truce between Israel and Palestinian militants. The U.S. is backing the Egyptian effort.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev harshly condemned the shooting and said the Palestinian government must take steps against the extremists — not just denounce their attacks.

"Tonight's massacre in Jerusalem is a defining moment," he told The Associated Press. "It is clear that those people celebrating this bloodshed have shown themselves to be not only the enemies of Israel but of all of humanity."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who only on Wednesday persuaded moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to return to peace talks with Israel, condemned the attack as an "act of terror and depravity."

Israeli defense officials said the attacker came from east Jerusalem, the predominantly Palestinian section of the city. Jerusalem's Palestinians have Israeli ID cards that give them freedom of movement inside Israel, unlike Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the attacker walked through the seminary's main gate and entered the library, where witnesses said some 80 people were gathered. He carried an assault rifle and pistol, and used both weapons in the attack. Rosenfeld said police were also searching for an explosives belt.

Two hours after the shooting, police found the body of the eighth victim. Rescue workers said nine people were wounded, three seriously.

David Simchon, head of the seminary, said the students had been preparing a celebration for the new month on the Jewish calendar, which includes the holiday of Purim. "We were planning to have a Purim party here tonight and instead and instead we had a massacre," he told Channel 2 TV.

Yehuda Meshi Zahav, head of the Zaka rescue service, entered the library after the attack. "The whole building looked like a slaughterhouse. The floor was covered in blood. The students were in class at the time of the attack," he said. "The floors are littered with holy books covered in blood."
Witnesses described a terrifying scene during the shooting, with students jumping out windows to escape.

One of the students, Yitzhak Dadon, said he shot the attacker twice in the head. "I laid on the roof of the study hall, cocked my gun and waited for him. He came out of the library spraying automatic fire," he said.

Police said an Israeli soldier in the area then shot the man dead. After the shooting, hundreds of seminary students demonstrated outside the building, screaming for revenge and chanting, "Death to Arabs."

The seminary is the Mercaz Harav yeshiva in the Kiryat Moshe quarter at the entrance to Jerusalem, a prestigious center of Jewish studies identified with the leadership of the Jewish settlement movement in the West Bank.

It was founded by the late Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda Hacohen Kook, the movement's spiritual founder, and serves high school students and young Israeli soldiers, and many of them carry arms.

"It's very sad tonight in Jerusalem," Mayor Uri Lupolianski told Channel 2 TV. "Many people were killed in the heart of Jerusalem."

In Lebanon, Hezbollah's Al-Manar satellite TV station said a previously unknown group called the Martyrs of Imad Mughniyeh and Gaza was responsible for the attack. The claim could not immediately be verified. Mughniyeh, a Hezbollah commander, was killed in a car bomb in Syria last month. Hezbollah has blamed Israel for the assassination.

Hamas stopped just short of claiming responsibility for the Jerusalem shootings. "We bless the operation. It will not be the last," Hamas said in a statement sent to reporters by text message.

At mosques in Gaza City and the northern Gaza Strip, many residents performed prayers of thanksgiving — only performed in cases of great victory to thank God.

About 7,000 Gazans marched in the streets of Jebaliya, firing in the air in celebration, and visited homes of those killed and wounded in the last Israeli incursion. In the southern town of Rafah, residents distributed sweets to moving cars, and militants fired mortars in celebration.

Rice said she spoke with Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni to express U.S. condolences to the people of Israel and the families of the victims of the attack in Jerusalem.

"This barbarous act has no place among civilized peoples and shocks the conscience of all peace loving nations. There is no cause that could ever justify this action," she said.

At his West Bank headquarters, Abbas condemned the attack. "The president condemned all attacks that target civilians, whether they are Palestinian or Israeli," a statement said.

Abbas had briefly suspended talks to protest an Israeli offensive in Gaza that killed more than 120 Palestinians.

The attack came on the same day Egyptian officials were trying to mediate a truce between Palestinian militants and Israel. The proposal, backed by the U.S., would stop rocket fire on Israel in exchange for an end to Israeli attacks on militants and the resumption of trade and travel from Gaza.

An Israeli official confirmed that Israel is open to the idea of letting guards from Abbas' moderate Fatah movement oversee Gaza's borders — one of the main tenets of the truce idea. But the Israeli spoke before the shooting, and it was not immediately known whether his country's position would change.

The Egyptian proposal reflected a growing realization that Israel's current
policy of blockade and military action has failed to weaken Hamas, which has proven its ability to disrupt a U.S.-sponsored drive to forge an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal by the end of the year.

Still, a deal between Hamas and Israel was far from certain, with Israel fearing the militants will use any lull to rearm and Hamas raising tough conditions, such as a demand for Israel to stop targeting militants in the West Bank as well as Gaza.

Other militant groups are also likely to disrupt any attempts to restore calm. Early Thursday, Palestinian militants set off a bomb on the Gaza border, blowing up an Israeli army jeep and killing a soldier. Late Thursday, Israel said it shot a group of militants trying to plant a bomb in the same area.

Palestinian officials said four militants were wounded in an Israeli ground attack.

This was the first major attack by Palestinian militants on the Jewish side of Jerusalem in the last four years, although police and the military claimed to have foiled many attempts.

Between 2001 and 2004, at the height of Palestinian-Israeli fighting, Jerusalem was a frequent target of Palestinian attacks, including suicide bombings on buses.

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_3504_images/0306081828_M_030608_Jerusalem07.jpg

They love to celebrate the deaths and slaughter of innocent people.

[zrinkill]

Israel should not let this go.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

religious fanatics of all stripes are the main cause of problems in the world

[Dallas]

Israel should not let this go.

I agree. What I can't understand is Israels lack of testicular fortitude lately regarding Hamas. This new Israeli government is far more back on its heels when dealing with Hamas than past Israeli leadership.

I bet this gets real ugly real soon. You can only take so much and Hamas has been needling Israel for a fight the past 8 months.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I agree. What I can't understand is Israels lack of testicular fortitude lately regarding Hamas. This new Israeli government is far more back on its heels when dealing with Hamas than past Israeli leadership.

I bet this gets real ugly real soon. You can only take so much and Hamas has been needling Israel for a fight the past 8 months.

Bush doesn't want another Israeli war duing his last 10 months of office. He won't allow Israel to attack.

[SultanOfSix]

Yeah, it's "Palestine's" fault that their civilians are dying at a ratio of 9 to 1 compared Israeli citizens. :rolleyes:

While I don't agree and never have with suicide bombing, the media in this country blatantly one-sided when it comes to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.

[Dallas]

Yeah, it's "Palestine's" fault that their civilians are dying at a ratio of 9 to 1 compared Israeli citizens. :rolleyes:

While I don't agree and never have with suicide bombing, the media in this country blatantly one-sided when it comes to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.


Go fight the Israelies then.

WTH kind of post is this anyways? How can the article skew this POS coward gunman who walks into this school and kills them? How does it skew these cowardly Palestinians in the street all happy over the kids who were killed?

Religious muslim fanatisim at its finest. Your post is trying to excuse this? The US medias fault? Good god, its ALWAYS our fault.

Why do you live in the US anyways? You obviously seem so unhappy w/ this nation. Why stay?

HA!

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Go fight the Israelies then.

WTH kind of post is this anyways? How can the article skew this POS coward gunman who walks into this school and kills them? How does it skew these cowardly Palestinians in the street all happy over the kids who were killed?

Religious muslim fanatisim at its finest. Your post is trying to excuse this?

HA!

if Israel would stop the creation of settlements in the west Bank by jewish religious fanatics, maybe the trouble would end?

[Sasquatch]

Why do you live in the US anyways? You obviously seem so unhappy w/ this nation. Why stay?


This is the song that never ends ... :laugh2:

[Dallas]

This is the song that never ends ... :laugh2:


Seriously, place me on ignore. That way you wont participate in my threads.

Thanks!

Some weaksauce you brought right there. Try again?

[Dallas]

5 characters

[Dallas]

if Israel would stop the creation of settlements in the west Bank by jewish religious fanatics, maybe the trouble would end?


They closed all of those down and gave them back to the suicide bombers. Do you NOT stay up on current events in Canada? Does the media allow you to? I know Canada censors a lot of stuff.

[SultanOfSix]

Go fight the Israelies then.

WTH kind of post is this anyways? How can the article skew this POS coward gunman who walks into this school and kills them? How does it skew these cowardly Palestinians in the street all happy over the kids who were killed?

Religious muslim fanatisim at its finest. Your post is trying to excuse this?

HA!

Where did I excuse it, huh?

You're the one who generalized the barbarism with Muslims.

You seem to be deluded by the fantasy that this is a one-sided conflict, as if "barbaric" Palestinians (note that this is an inclusive term of Muslims AND Christians) are just running around committing suicide bombings and shooting up places for the "fun" of it, while the Israelis are sitting around peacefully sipping tea. As if demolition of Palestinian homes and settlements on Palestinian lands, and killings of Palestinians and their children aren't going on.

The 9 to 1 figure isn't something I made up. It's what independent humanitarian organizations such as Amnesty International have come up with.

And I live in the US because I was born and raised here.

[Dallas]

Where did I excuse it, huh?

You're the one who generalized the barbarism with Muslims.

You seem to be deluded by the fantasy that this is a one-sided conflict, as if "barbaric" Palestinians and Muslims are just running around committing suicide bombings and shooting up places for the "fun" of it, while the Israelis are sitting around peacefully sipping tea. As if demolition of Palestinian homes and settlements on Palestinian lands, and killings of Palestinians and their children aren't going on.

The 9 to 1 figure isn't something I made up. It's what independent humanitarian organizations such as Amnesty International have come up with.

Lets see. I don't see cowardly Irsaelies sneaking across the fence into schools blowing children up. Did I miss that anywhere?

Yes, by you blaming the media in the US and how it skews stories IS in a sense excusing what has happened.

They stopped demolishing suicide bombers home well before Hamas took over. Please show me recent events where Israel is intruding on Palestines sacred dirt again? Hamas is said time and time again that it will continue attacking Israel until Israel is no more. What houses were taken over recently to justify the means?

[Vintage]

Yes, by you blaming the media in the US and how it skews stories IS in a sense excusing what has happened.




No its not.

Those are two independent things.

[Sasquatch]

...the media in this country blatantly one-sided when it comes to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.

I noticed this story didn't get much press here ...

An Israeli government minister warned yesterday that increasing rocket fire from Gaza would bring Palestinians a Shoah – the Hebrew word normally used to denote the Nazi Holocaust inflicted on Jews during the Second World War.

The declaration by the Deputy Defence Minister, Matan Vilnai, came amid fresh calls from some Israeli politicians for a ground invasion of Gaza provoked by the launch of eight Soviet-designed Grad rockets into the southern city of Ashkelon during the lethal violence of the past three days.
Mr Vilnai declared: "As the rocket fire grows, and the range increases – and they haven't yet said the last word on this – they are bringing upon themselves a greater Shoah because we will use all our strength in every way we deem appropriate, whether in air strikes or on the ground."


Independent UK (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israels-warning-rocket-fire-from-gaza-will-result-in-a-palestinian-holocaust-790004.html)

Both sides are reprehensible in their respective ways.

[SultanOfSix]

Lets see. I don't see cowardly Irsaelies sneaking across the fence into schools blowing children up. Did I miss that anywhere?

Yes, by you blaming the media in the US and how it skews stories IS in a sense excusing what has happened.

They stopped demolishing suicide bombers home well before Hamas took over. Please show me recent events where Israel is intruding on Palestines sacred dirt again? Hamas is said time and time again that it will continue attacking Israel until Israel is no more. What houses were taken over recently to justify the means?

And you don't see cowardly Israelis using jets, tanks, missiles, machine guns to kill Palestinians either. Did I miss that anywhere? Do you think figures like 9 to 1 are because the suicide bombers trip while in Gaza and kill their fellow Palestinians?

How does blaming the media "excuse" what's happening? Are you really this clueless, or do you suffer from terrible reading comprehension skills?

You have no idea what they stopped or are doing. That's the whole point. Your news is filtered, whereas the rest of the world who have relatives in Europe or Asia know.

[Dallas]

I noticed this story didn't get much press here ...

An Israeli government minister warned yesterday that increasing rocket fire from Gaza would bring Palestinians a Shoah – the Hebrew word normally used to denote the Nazi Holocaust inflicted on Jews during the Second World War.

The declaration by the Deputy Defence Minister, Matan Vilnai, came amid fresh calls from some Israeli politicians for a ground invasion of Gaza provoked by the launch of eight Soviet-designed Grad rockets into the southern city of Ashkelon during the lethal violence of the past three days.
Mr Vilnai declared: "As the rocket fire grows, and the range increases – and they haven't yet said the last word on this – they are bringing upon themselves a greater Shoah because we will use all our strength in every way we deem appropriate, whether in air strikes or on the ground."


Independent UK (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israels-warning-rocket-fire-from-gaza-will-result-in-a-palestinian-holocaust-790004.html)

Both sides are reprehensible in their respective ways.

So is this normal for you? Excuse me, because I don't know you from Adam. This is normal for you to come into a thread and take the complete opposite approach to most things posted?

Par the course? That's what you are do? I mean, I don't want to read you wrong.

Not only do you ignore the obvious in this story. You completely try and turn it back on the US media. Odd - I have to say. Very odd actually.

[Sasquatch]

They closed all of those down and gave them back to the suicide bombers.

False. The settlements remain one of the principle obstacles to the peace process. They have not all been closed down or halted and will not be any time soon.

[vta]

Israel doesn't lack testicular fortitude, what it has is a one sided international court of opinion going against it. Hams/Hezbollah attacks, then runs behind civilians; then Israel is roundly criticized for it's response, with only the obligatory mention of how Hamas/Hezbollah shouldn't have done what it did.

The media isn't one-sided. It's all there for anyone who wants to see.

In 2005 Israel uprooted it's own people and left Gaza. Complete with agricultural structures. What was the response? Level the structures and start lobbing more bombs at Israeli civilians.

When is this mentioned? What should future responses be in the face of that?

Rockets fly daily into Sderot, Israel responds and the body count ensues: how many Palestinians were killed? It's endless.

Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran have no intention of allowing a peaceful resoultion with Israel. They can't state it any plainer than they have. They attack. Israel responds and that is their motivation. Only when Israel prostrates itself for their endless abuse will they be satisfied. Being militarily inferior does not make one more virtuous.

To latch onto an understandable perception that there might very well exist a problem with the religious teachings used as an impetus to continue this nonsense as rascist is to ignore the reality.

Sure, there are plenty of peaceful Muslims. Sure, many of them don't care if Israel exists or not, but when the self imposed face of a movement is perpetuated, it's far from rascist to recognize there is a problem.

No more than it is to accept that these people hate America for it's support of Israel, whether all Americans support them or not.

[Dallas]

And you don't see cowardly Israelis using jets, tanks, missiles, machine guns to kill Palestinians either. Did I miss that anywhere? Do you think figures like 9 to 1 are because the suicide bombers trip while in Gaza and kill their fellow Palestinians?

How does blaming the media "excuse" what's happening? Are you really this clueless, or do you suffer from terrible reading comprehension skills?

You have no idea what they stopped or are doing. That's the whole point. Your news is filtered, whereas the rest of the world who have relatives in Europe or Asia know.

By you taking this stance that the US media skews this crap and not actually talking about the thread topic says a lot bro. Deep down inside you it appears by your posts, that you really could care less. Yes, I get that from reading a bit of your history.

I have not recently seen any Israel bombing stories or suicide missions into the heart of Gaza. I have not read recently where crazed Israel settlers have captured some gas stations and are burning them down to build some sod homes. Ive not read any of that.

What I have read is yet another peace process that the US and Egypt are sponsoring that Hamas has said will not happen.

Then come the rockets red glare. Now here is my cousin MazdaNissanChowderhead to blow up your school.

Peace out Israel.

[Dallas]

False. The settlements remain one of the principle obstacles to the peace process. They have not all been closed down or halted and will not be any time soon.


Please come w/ a source? That may be asking a bit from you I know, but still...try?

[Sasquatch]

Pleaes come w/ a source? That my be asking a bit from you I know, but still...try?

It's common knowledge ... for most.

Here's a story in the BBC (today) about how some settlers are being relocated to other "illegal" settlements.

LINK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7281801.stm)

Shall I provide you with evidence that the sky is blue as well? ;)

[Dallas]

It's common knowledge ... for most.

Here's a story in the BBC (today) about how some settlers are being relocated to other "illegal" settlements.

LINK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7281801.stm)

Shall I provide you with evidence that the sky is blue as well? ;)

Just calling it how I see it. You spout a lot of stuff w/o providing sources.

Don't shoot the messenger Foot.

Thanks for the link.

[ScipioCowboy]

religious fanatics of all stripes are the main cause of problems in the world

In my experience, everyone has equal capacity for violence regardless of ideological or religious bent--Christian, Muslim, Secular Humanist, Atheist, etc.

Stalin was an atheist, and murdered over 60 million people.

Christophers Hitchens--author, columnist, and renowned secularist humanist--once stated that America's war in Iraq represented a conflict between the forces of rational enlightenment and dogmatic religion.

Adolf Hitler was notorious for using both religion and atheism, depending on which best suited his purposes in the moment.

The problem is not religion anymore than it's secular humanism or atheism. The problem has always been greed. Ideologies are merely the vehicles.

And the moment we stop labeling every ideology that conflicts with our own as "extremist" is the same moment we take a step towards genuine understanding.

[Sasquatch]

Just calling it how I see it. You spout a lot of stuff w/o providing sources.

You mean like you did when you made this assertion?

"They closed all of those down and gave them back to the suicide bombers. Do you NOT stay up on current events in Canada? Does the media allow you to? I know Canada censors a lot of stuff."

You're welcome for the link.

[SultanOfSix]

In my experience, everyone has equal capacity for violence regardless of ideological or religious bent--Christian, Muslim, Secular Humanist, Atheist, etc.

Stalin was an atheist, and murdered over 60 million people.

Christophers Hitchens--author, columnist, and renowned secularist humanist--once stated that America's war in Iraq represented a conflict between the forces of rational enlightenment and dogmatic religion.

Adolf Hitler was notorious for using both religion and atheism, depending on which best suited his purposes in the moment.

The problem is not religion anymore than it's secular humanism or atheism. The problem has always been greed. Ideologies are merely the vehicles.

And the moment we stop labeling every ideology that conflicts with our own as "extremist" is the same moment we take a step towards genuine understanding.

Finally. Someone gets it.

[Sasquatch]

In my experience, everyone has equal capacity for violence regardless of ideological or religious bent--Christian, Muslim, Secular Humanist, Atheist, etc.

Stalin was an atheist, and murdered over 60 million people.

Christophers Hitchens--author, columnist, and renowned secularist humanist--once stated that America's war in Iraq represented a conflict between the forces of rational enlightenment and dogmatic religion.

Adolf Hitler was notorious for using both religion and atheism, depending on which best suited his purposes in the moment.

The problem is not religion anymore than it's secular humanism or atheism. The problem has always been greed. Ideologies are merely the vehicles.

And the moment we stop labeling every ideology that conflicts with our own as "extremist" is the same moment we take a step towards genuine understanding.

Well said.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

They closed all of those down and gave them back to the suicide bombers. Do you NOT stay up on current events in Canada? Does the media allow you to? I know Canada censors a lot of stuff.

Censors? Yeah you really know your world events :rolleyes:

There are still Israeli settlements in the occupied territories. They are an affront to Palestinians.

[vta]

It's common knowledge ... for most.

Here's a story in the BBC (today) about how some settlers are being relocated to other "illegal" settlements.

LINK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7281801.stm)

Shall I provide you with evidence that the sky is blue as well? ;)

But considering the reaction to Israel giving up Gaza, why should they give up more? What did the leaving of Gaza accomplish? What would leaving more settlements accomplish? More land to throw rockets from?

When is it time for the Palestinians to give something up? When are they going to be asked to make a concession?

This has been completely one-sided through and through and everyone with an opinion to espouse should either provide a more balanced approach to it's expectations or clam up and let Israel deal a final blow to the animals supporting this crap.

[Dallas]

You mean like you did when you made this assertion?

"They closed all of those down and gave them back to the suicide bombers. Do you NOT stay up on current events in Canada? Does the media allow you to? I know Canada censors a lot of stuff."

You're welcome for the link.

I can come w/ some sources if you wish. I know for a fact Israel gave most of the ilegally settled land back before Hamas had taken over. I saw the videos of the dozers destroying all of the settled homes. I saw those idiot settlers tieing themselves to things. I saw them also being arrested.

Pardon my ignorance o'savior of the illinformed. ;)

[Sasquatch]

But considering the reaction to Israel giving up Gaza, why should they give up more? What did the leaving of Gaza accomplish? What would leaving more settlements accomplish? More land to throw rockets from?

When is it time for the Palestinians to give something up? When are they going to be asked to make a concession?

This has been completely one-sided through and through and everyone with an opinion to espouse should either provide a more balanced approach to it's expectations or clam up and let Israel deal a final blow to the animals supporting this crap.

Did you not see where I wrote that both sides are reprehensible in their own ways?

What makes it such a mess is that both are perpetrators and victims in their own right.

What happened today is another sad chapter in that conflict.

[SultanOfSix]

By you taking this stance that the US media skews this crap and not actually talking about the thread topic says a lot bro. Deep down inside you it appears by your posts, that you really could care less. Yes, I get that from reading a bit of your history.

I have not recently seen any Israel bombing stories or suicide missions into the heart of Gaza. I have not read recently where crazed Israel settlers have captured some gas stations and are burning them down to build some sod homes. Ive not read any of that.

What I have read is yet another peace process that the US and Egypt are sponsoring that Hamas has said will not happen.

Then come the rockets red glare. Now here is my cousin MazdaNissanChowderhead to blow up your school.

Peace out Israel.

I never said the US media "skews" things. I said it is one-sided in its depictions of atrocities that are committed on both sides.

BTW, the phrase is "couldn't care less". And if you mean, I couldn't careless that people have died, you couldn't be more wrong. I was offended by the fact that you generalized evil activities to just the Palestinians and Muslims. I just pointed out that this is more than just a one-sided conflict, and that its actually more Palestinian civilians who are dying as opposed to Israeli ones.

And why do you keep saying "I have not seen this or that". That's been the whole point of the notion of "filtering". I've already said this three times. If you live in the UK, or have relatives who live there, it's a different story. If you live in other countries of Europe, it is likewise. It's even more so in the Muslim world, which has its own biases.

As far as couldn't caring less, that applies to you more so than me Mr. Hypocrite. All you have to do is apply "Palestinian" or "Muslim" to the name, and its bombs away for you.

[Dallas]

Finally. Someone gets it.


Gets it?

Show me a religion besides Muslim ;) in the past 30 years that has had more killing and slayings in the name of it's ideology? Please?

Where are the Christian suicide bombers lately?

Where are all of the Buddhists extremists? Where are all of the Taoism militants banging drums? Can a brother get some kool-aid? No?

All I see is a a religion hell bent on snuffing out the infidels. You have Iran screaming it and Palestinians doing it and just about everyblasted terror event the past 10 years linked back to the poor ole Muslim faith.

WHY ????

[SultanOfSix]

Gets it?

Show me a religion besides Muslim ;) in the past 30 years that has had more killing and slayings in the name of it's ideology? Please?

Where are the Christian suicide bombers lately?

Where are all of the Buddhists extremists? Where are all of the Taoism militants banging drums? Can a brother get some kool-aid? No?

All I see is a a religion hell bent on snuffing out the infidels. You have Iran screaming it and Palestinians doing it and just about everyblasted terror event the past 10 years linked back to the poor ole Muslim faith.

WHY ????

Show me first that the religion Islam has had more killings and slayings in the name of its ideology? That is your claim. It is up to you to prove it.

Regardless, things that are done in "the name" of something, doesn't necessariliy make what it is done in it's name, the fault of the ideology.

I understand why ScipioCowboy's post went way over your head.

[Dallas]

Show me first that the religion Islam has had more killings and slayings in the name of its ideology? That is your claim. It is up to you to prove it.

Regardless, things that are done in "the name" of something, doesn't necessariliy make what it is done in it's name, the fault of the ideology.

I understand why ScipioCowboy's post went way over your head.

It did not go over my head. I am asking you a pointed question that you are dodgeing nicely I might add.

Show me another religion in the past 30 years that has had more killings and bombings and murder associated with it than the Muslim faith has?

You can keep dodging that question all you want but it's stewing on a lot of folks minds.

Why is it tolerated? BTW: It is very much tolerated. Don't let a nation defend itself. Whoa is they if they do. Every BBC reporter on the planet would turn it around on them and say they were to excesive w/ the pin point bombing of these militant leaders. They should let diplomacy have a go at it.

PLEASE!!

Israel should wipe its butt w/ the Gaza Strip for all I care now. This Hamas BS government needs to go the way of Hitlers regime.

[zrinkill]

Israel doesn't lack testicular fortitude, what it has is a one sided international court of opinion going against it. Hams/Hezbollah attacks, then runs behind civilians; then Israel is roundly criticized for it's response, with only the obligatory mention of how Hamas/Hezbollah shouldn't have done what it did.

The media isn't one-sided. It's all there for anyone who wants to see.

In 2005 Israel uprooted it's own people and left Gaza. Complete with agricultural structures. What was the response? Level the structures and start lobbing more bombs at Israeli civilians.

When is this mentioned? What should future responses be in the face of that?

Rockets fly daily into Sderot, Israel responds and the body count ensues: how many Palestinians were killed? It's endless.

Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran have no intention of allowing a peaceful resoultion with Israel. They can't state it any plainer than they have. They attack. Israel responds and that is their motivation. Only when Israel prostrates itself for their endless abuse will they be satisfied. Being militarily inferior does not make one more virtuous.

To latch onto an understandable perception that there might very well exist a problem with the religious teachings used as an impetus to continue this nonsense as rascist is to ignore the reality.

Sure, there are plenty of peaceful Muslims. Sure, many of them don't care if Israel exists or not, but when the self imposed face of a movement is perpetuated, it's far from rascist to recognize there is a problem.

No more than it is to accept that these people hate America for it's support of Israel, whether all Americans support them or not.

Sense this was ignored I figured I would bump it.

Great Post VTA ..... as usual

[CanadianCowboysFan]

there have been more deaths in the name of christianity in the last 2000 years than in all other religions combined

[SultanOfSix]

It did not go over my head. I am asking you a pointed question that you are dodgeing nicely I might add.

Show me another religion in the past 30 years that has had more killings and bombings and murder associated with it than the Muslim faith has?

You can keep dodging that question all you want but it's stewing on a lot of folks minds.

Why is it tolerated?

You really are clueless. It is NOT MY CLAIM that another religion has had more killings in its name than the religion of Islam.

It is YOUR CLAIM that Islam has had more killings in its name than any other ideology.

Via standards of proof, if you make the claim, you have to prove it. Not me.

[BrAinPaiNt]

People just never learn.:o: