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Danny White
03-18-2008, 10:12 AM
OBAMA SPEECH IN FULL: A MORE PERFECT UNION
Tuesday, March 18th, 2008/ 10:17:53 ET
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania



“We the people, in order to form a more perfect union.”

Two hundred and twenty one years ago, in a hall that still stands across the street, a group of men gathered and, with these simple words, launched America’s improbable experiment in democracy. Farmers and scholars; statesmen and patriots who had traveled across an ocean to escape tyranny and persecution finally made real their declaration of independence at a Philadelphia convention that lasted through the spring of 1787.

The document they produced was eventually signed but ultimately unfinished. It was stained by this nation’s original sin of slavery, a question that divided the colonies and brought the convention to a stalemate until the founders chose to allow the slave trade to continue for at least twenty more years, and to leave any final resolution to future generations.

Of course, the answer to the slavery question was already embedded within our Constitution – a Constitution that had at is very core the ideal of equal citizenship under the law; a Constitution that promised its people liberty, and justice, and a union that could be and should be perfected over time.

And yet words on a parchment would not be enough to deliver slaves from bondage, or provide men and women of every color and creed their full rights and obligations as citizens of the United States. What would be needed were Americans in successive generations who were willing to do their part – through protests and struggle, on the streets and in the courts, through a civil war and civil disobedience and always at great risk - to narrow that gap between the promise of our ideals and the reality of their time.

This was one of the tasks we set forth at the beginning of this campaign – to continue the long march of those who came before us, a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring and more prosperous America. I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together – unless we perfect our union by understanding that we may have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all want to move in the same direction – towards a better future for of children and our grandchildren.

This belief comes from my unyielding faith in the decency and generosity of the American people. But it also comes from my own American story.

I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Patton’s Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas. I’ve gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the world’s poorest nations. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slaveowners – an inheritance we pass on to our two precious daughters. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible.

It’s a story that hasn’t made me the most conventional candidate. But it is a story that has seared into my genetic makeup the idea that this nation is more than the sum of its parts – that out of many, we are truly one.

Throughout the first year of this campaign, against all predictions to the contrary, we saw how hungry the American people were for this message of unity. Despite the temptation to view my candidacy through a purely racial lens, we won commanding victories in states with some of the whitest populations in the country. In South Carolina, where the Confederate Flag still flies, we built a powerful coalition of African Americans and white Americans.

This is not to say that race has not been an issue in the campaign. At various stages in the campaign, some commentators have deemed me either “too black” or “not black enough.” We saw racial tensions bubble to the surface during the week before the South Carolina primary. The press has scoured every exit poll for the latest evidence of racial polarization, not just in terms of white and black, but black and brown as well.

And yet, it has only been in the last couple of weeks that the discussion of race in this campaign has taken a particularly divisive turn.

On one end of the spectrum, we’ve heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it’s based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. On the other end, we’ve heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems – two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn’t all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God’s work here on Earth – by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

In my first book, Dreams From My Father, I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:

“People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend’s voice up into the rafters….And in that single note – hope! – I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones. Those stories – of survival, and freedom, and hope – became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn’t need to feel shame about…memories that all people might study and cherish – and with which we could start to rebuild.”

That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety – the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity’s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions – the good and the bad – of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America – to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.

The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we’ve never really worked through – a part of our union that we have yet to perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American.

Understanding this reality requires a reminder of how we arrived at this point. As William Faulkner once wrote, “The past isn’t dead and buried. In fact, it isn’t even past.” We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country. But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.

Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still haven’t fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today’s black and white students.

Legalized discrimination - where blacks were prevented, often through violence, from owning property, or loans were not granted to African-American business owners, or black homeowners could not access FHA mortgages, or blacks were excluded from unions, or the police force, or fire departments – meant that black families could not amass any meaningful wealth to bequeath to future generations. That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of today’s urban and rural communities.

A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one’s family, contributed to the erosion of black families – a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened. And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods – parks for kids to play in, police walking the beat, regular garbage pick-up and building code enforcement – all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us.

This is the reality in which Reverend Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted. What’s remarkable is not how many failed in the face of discrimination, but rather how many men and women overcame the odds; how many were able to make a way out of no way for those like me who would come after them.

But for all those who scratched and clawed their way to get a piece of the American Dream, there were many who didn’t make it – those who were ultimately defeated, in one way or another, by discrimination. That legacy of defeat was passed on to future generations – those young men and increasingly young women who we see standing on street corners or languishing in our prisons, without hope or prospects for the future. Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician’s own failings.

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright’s sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience – as far as they’re concerned, no one’s handed them anything, they’ve built it from scratch. They’ve worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they’re told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.

Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren’t always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze – a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns – this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

This is where we are right now. It’s a racial stalemate we’ve been stuck in for years. Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naïve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy – particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own.

But I have asserted a firm conviction – a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people – that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice is we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union.

For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances – for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives – by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.

Ironically, this quintessentially American – and yes, conservative – notion of self-help found frequent expression in Reverend Wright’s sermons. But what my former pastor too often failed to understand is that embarking on a program of self-help also requires a belief that society can change.

The profound mistake of Reverend Wright’s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It’s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country – a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past. But what we know -- what we have seen – is that America can change. That is true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved gives us hope – the audacity to hope – for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.

In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination - and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past - are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds – by investing in our schools and our communities; by enforcing our civil rights laws and ensuring fairness in our criminal justice system; by providing this generation with ladders of opportunity that were unavailable for previous generations. It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams; that investing in the health, welfare, and education of black and brown and white children will ultimately help all of America prosper.

In the end, then, what is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than what all the world’s great religions demand – that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother’s keeper, Scripture tells us. Let us be our sister’s keeper. Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well.

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle – as we did in the OJ trial – or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, “Not this time.” This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can’t learn; that those kids who don’t look like us are somebody else’s problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.

This time we want to talk about how the lines in the Emergency Room are filled with whites and blacks and Hispanics who do not have health care; who don’t have the power on their own to overcome the special interests in Washington, but who can take them on if we do it together.

This time we want to talk about the shuttered mills that once provided a decent life for men and women of every race, and the homes for sale that once belonged to Americans from every religion, every region, every walk of life. This time we want to talk about the fact that the real problem is not that someone who doesn’t look like you might take your job; it’s that the corporation you work for will ship it overseas for nothing more than a profit.

This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag. We want to talk about how to bring them home from a war that never should’ve been authorized and never should’ve been waged, and we want to talk about how we’ll show our patriotism by caring for them, and their families, and giving them the benefits they have earned.

I would not be running for President if I didn’t believe with all my heart that this is what the vast majority of Americans want for this country. This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected. And today, whenever I find myself feeling doubtful or cynical about this possibility, what gives me the most hope is the next generation – the young people whose attitudes and beliefs and openness to change have already made history in this election.

There is one story in particularly that I’d like to leave you with today – a story I told when I had the great honor of speaking on Dr. King’s birthday at his home church, Ebenezer Baptist, in Atlanta.

There is a young, twenty-three year old white woman named Ashley Baia who organized for our campaign in Florence, South Carolina. She had been working to organize a mostly African-American community since the beginning of this campaign, and one day she was at a roundtable discussion where everyone went around telling their story and why they were there.

And Ashley said that when she was nine years old, her mother got cancer. And because she had to miss days of work, she was let go and lost her health care. They had to file for bankruptcy, and that’s when Ashley decided that she had to do something to help her mom.

She knew that food was one of their most expensive costs, and so Ashley convinced her mother that what she really liked and really wanted to eat more than anything else was mustard and relish sandwiches. Because that was the cheapest way to eat.

She did this for a year until her mom got better, and she told everyone at the roundtable that the reason she joined our campaign was so that she could help the millions of other children in the country who want and need to help their parents too.

Now Ashley might have made a different choice. Perhaps somebody told her along the way that the source of her mother’s problems were blacks who were on welfare and too lazy to work, or Hispanics who were coming into the country illegally. But she didn’t. She sought out allies in her fight against injustice.

Anyway, Ashley finishes her story and then goes around the room and asks everyone else why they’re supporting the campaign. They all have different stories and reasons. Many bring up a specific issue. And finally they come to this elderly black man who’s been sitting there quietly the entire time. And Ashley asks him why he’s there. And he does not bring up a specific issue. He does not say health care or the economy. He does not say education or the war. He does not say that he was there because of Barack Obama. He simply says to everyone in the room, “I am here because of Ashley.”

“I’m here because of Ashley.” By itself, that single moment of recognition between that young white girl and that old black man is not enough. It is not enough to give health care to the sick, or jobs to the jobless, or education to our children.

But it is where we start. It is where our union grows stronger. And as so many generations have come to realize over the course of the two-hundred and twenty one years since a band of patriots signed that document in Philadelphia, that is where the perfection begins.





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Sasquatch
03-18-2008, 10:14 AM
You type fast, DW. :cool:

Jon88
03-18-2008, 10:19 AM
Everything is about race with this guy. It makes sense. He is a racist.

Danny White
03-18-2008, 10:21 AM
Good speech.

I'm just not sure that delivering it was the right move for him.

I guess we'll see how this plays out over the next few days and weeks.

Danny White
03-18-2008, 10:22 AM
You type fast, DW. :cool:

Take that Inman Roshi and TrickBlue! Now that's how you do a recap! :p:

OK, I admit it, I had a little help from a guy named Matt Drudge.

AbeBeta
03-18-2008, 10:24 AM
Everything is about race with this guy. It makes sense. He is a racist.

and everything you say is anti-Obama.

perhaps Obama has helped you identify some personal issues to work on.

Jon88
03-18-2008, 10:25 AM
and everything you say is anti-Obama.

perhaps Obama has helped you identify some personal issues to work on.

Because I'm anti-Obama I have personal issues to work on.

Right.

SultanOfSix
03-18-2008, 10:39 AM
Everything is about race with this guy. It makes sense. He is a racist.

That's not factually correct. He's been trying to avoid the race issue which has been generated by the media incessantly since he's been winning. It's only now that with his pastor's comments that he's addressed them more in depth than previously.

WoodysGirl
03-18-2008, 10:43 AM
Good speech.

I'm just not sure that delivering it was the right move for him.

I guess we'll see how this plays out over the next few days and weeks.
Should definitely be interesting to see what the analysts say.

Personally, I think this was something he had to do. It was unavoidable and probably something he should've said awhile ago.

Too often, Obama would try to take the high road as if race doesn't matter. It definitely matters in this country, because while we may be evolving into a more colorblind society, we're certainly not there yet, IMO.

I don't know that he would've had to take this measure, if he would've just addressed them each time it came up instead of simply ignoring it.

Jon88
03-18-2008, 10:45 AM
That's not factually correct. He's been trying to avoid the race issue which has been generated by the media incessantly since he's been winning. It's only now that with his pastor's comments that he's addressed them more in depth than previously.

Well, the race issue has been generated by Rev. Wright in my opinion, who has been all over the media.

Heisenberg
03-18-2008, 10:46 AM
He did a great job. Then again, it's not like I had a doubt whether he would or not. It's one of his best qualities.

If bringing it all out in a speech ends up sinking his campaign, he at least said some things that needed to be said.

ndanger
03-18-2008, 11:08 AM
There is no question he is one of the great orators of our time, if not our history.If I were voting on that alone, he would emphatically have my vote.This election is one the most important in our history. I voted for Hillary in the primary,just for the comfort level I had when Bill Clinton was President, from an economical perspective.It's obvious that this election is about more than the economy.It's going to be a tough decision for all Americans to make come November. I can only hope that people will be as inspired as his speech was inspiring to get off their butt and do something to help move this country forward. Even if it's something they once might have considered mundane, like reading to their kids or someone else's kids. Attending P.T.A. meetings.How about get off your butt and just vote.Look around you and tell me you don't see someone in your circle that's not involved.I can promise you my kids at 9 and 12 are fully aware of what's going on. I can promise you that it's not just my view that's being crammed down their throat. Anyway this is where I come to relax and get my Cowboy fix. So I'm gonna go be a football dweller.Peace out !

Champsheart
03-18-2008, 11:38 AM
Everything is about race with this guy. It makes sense. He is a racist.

All I can say is WOW! That is all you could get out of that Speech.

That is just sad. My family will pray for you tonight.

vta
03-18-2008, 12:48 PM
An excellent speech. Very impressive.

Jon88
03-18-2008, 02:29 PM
All I can say is WOW! That is all you could get out of that Speech.

That is just sad. My family will pray for you tonight.


Sorry, I see through everything he says.

Sasquatch
03-18-2008, 02:36 PM
An excellent speech. Very impressive.

I thought it was quite good but not transcendental.

He sounded like a real person (not the cultish persona of the MSM) who has real relationships with real people who are oftentimes complex, outlandish, and embarassing. I suppose if his sole ambition in life was to secure the presidency at all costs he wouldn't have hesitated to disavow former friends and family that might be considered a political liability. The fact that he didn't made him sound more sincere and genuine to me.

I don't think we've heard the last of this, though, as the media seems to really prefer talking about anything (tactics, race, delegates, etc.) except the issues. And we dutifully eat it up, of course.

http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2005/09/23/oliver_twist/story.jpg

May I have some more, sir?

iceberg
03-18-2008, 02:39 PM
Sorry, I see through everything he says.

or maybe you're just looking and see what you want to see.

Jon88
03-18-2008, 02:48 PM
or maybe you're just looking and see what you want to see.

Maybe so, still angry about his association with Rev Wright.

Looking back the comment probably didn't make sense. Race is of course the issue since he's speaking about the huge fallout.

I'll read over it again.

Maikeru-sama
03-18-2008, 02:52 PM
As a politician and a lawyer, I expected his speech to be strong and well-delivered.

However, I am not sure he needed to make this speech as it has the efficacy of further shining the light on race and the comments made by his pastor in particular.

A diffuse speech that centers on race can only have the effect of alienating the people he is trying to reach. The aforementioned segement of the population are extremely uncomfortable talking about race, in any way, shape or form.

Maikeru-sama
03-18-2008, 03:01 PM
For those in the know, when Obama refers to Rev. Wright as "My former pastor", is this a recent development or did he dump the guy a long time ago?

WoodysGirl
03-18-2008, 03:04 PM
For those in the know, when Obama refers to Rev. Wright as "My former pastor", is this a recent development or did he dump the guy a long time ago?
His pastor retired, not because of this controversy. It was something already in progress.

Danny White
03-18-2008, 03:24 PM
As a politician and a lawyer, I expected his speech to be strong and well-delivered.

However, I am not sure he needed to make this speech as it has the efficacy of further shining the light on race and the comments made by his pastor in particular.

A diffuse speech that centers on race can only have the effect of alienating the people he is trying to reach. The aforementioned segement of the population are extremely uncomfortable talking about race, in any way, shape or form.

Exactly.

I'm glad to hear someone else say this, as I was beginning to think I might be completely off-base in thinking this speech may be a bad idea politically.

But yeah, I agree with you 100% for the very reasons you list.

Hostile
03-18-2008, 03:25 PM
I don't know about anyone else and I can't speak for anyone else, but that speech impresses me to my very soul. I hadn't noticed it before because I was caught up in another thread. I am glad I finally did. That was inspiring to me and if I am ever so lucky as to meet Mr. Obama I will tell him so in no uncertain terms.

Danny White
03-18-2008, 03:37 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9104.html

Speech doesn't pander; does it explain?

By ROGER SIMON | 3/18/08

Barack Obama spoke calmly and reasonably Tuesday about a subject that often lacks both calm and reason in America: race.

Obama’s speech was temperate and built on logic, not fiery or built on passion.

It was meant to be calming. It was a speech that attempted to connect the dots of race in American history from slavery to Jim Crow to black anger, to white fear, to, ultimately, the hope of reconciliation.

Where it was strongest was in appealing to the better angels of the American spirit: the notion that we can all come together.

Where it was weakest was in explaining the very reason for the speech: how the inflammatory, even repugnant, comments of Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, are understandable.

Wright, who has been Obama’s pastor for 20 years, has said America had brought on the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 — “America’s chickens are coming home to roost” — and that “We started the AIDS virus.”

Without citing such statements specifically, Obama sought to explain them, though he first condemned them. Speaking in slow, measured tones, Obama said Wright used “incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation, that rightly offend white and black alike.”

But, for the first time, Obama admitted what he previously had denied: that he was present when Wright had made some of his outrageous comments.

“Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church?” Obama said. “Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely — just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.”

Obama did not say, however, that he had ever expressed his disagreement to Wright or in any way attempted to get Wright to moderate or change his views.

Instead, Obama said Wright was “more than snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and YouTube.”

Obama mentioned once again that Wright was a “Marine” and “has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country” and has spent his time “housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.”

Obama also said, in effect, that some white people simply don’t get black churches.

“They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear,” Obama said. “The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and, yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.”

It was the key to his speech and his toughest sell: that the black experience in America has been different from the white experience and that white people have to expect the “bitterness and bias” of black people while recognizing their own history of white racism.

Obama encapsulated that within his own family by speaking of his white grandmother, “a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

The speech was also, in part, the speech of a constitutional law professor building a case.

“We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country,” Obama said. “But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.”

If Obama was not attempting to excuse the statements of Wright, he was certainly attempting to put them in context.

“For the men and women of Rev. Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away, nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years,” he said.

But Obama also attempted to explain white resentment by saying that when white Americans “are told to bus their children to a school across town, when they hear that an African-American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed, when they’re told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.”

And although the speech was not interrupted by applause very many times, Obama’s attack on some in the media was greeted that way. “Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism,” he said as the audience clapped.

But Obama said that things could get better and that his running for president was a sign that things had gotten better and that the races in America could join together in a common goal.

“The profound mistake of Rev. Wright’s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,” Obama said, “it’s that he spoke as if our society was static, as if no progress has been made, as if this country — a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old — is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past.”

That, of course, is what the Hillary Clinton campaign resents the most about the Obama campaign: that he uses race politically. That he says a vote for him is a sign that America’s racial healing has begun.

In the end, Obama’s speech was about hope and redemption, and there was no doubt who was supplying the hope and who was the redeemer.

“This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected,” Obama said. “And today, whenever I find myself feeling doubtful or cynical about this possibility, what gives me the most hope is the next generation — the young people whose attitudes and beliefs and openness to change have already made history in this election.”

Maikeru-sama
03-18-2008, 03:39 PM
I don't know about anyone else and I can't speak for anyone else, but that speech impresses me to my very soul. I hadn't noticed it before because I was caught up in another thread. I am glad I finally did. That was inspiring to me and if I am ever so lucky as to meet Mr. Obama I will tell him so in no uncertain terms.

I echo your sentiments.

I watched it on Youtube at work and thought it was a bit lengthy, it was extremely well done.

The guy certainly has skills and rivals President Clinton, an individual who I thought was extremely adroit at public speaking.

REDVOLUTION
03-18-2008, 03:42 PM
OBAMA SPEECH IN FULL: A MORE PERFECT UNION
Tuesday, March 18th, 2008/ 10:17:53 ET
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

“We the people, in order to form a more perfect union.”


Anyone ever see Robert Wuhl on HBO - he has a special called "Assume the Position"

He makes fun of "a more? perfect? union????!!!???"

BrAinPaiNt
03-18-2008, 03:48 PM
Whether you like the guy or don't like him.
Whether you like his political views or detest them.
Whether you think he would make a great, mediocre or terrible president.

One thing I think many can agree on, he definitely has a way with words.
He has a calming way about himself when he speaks and an almost regal manner about him when he speaks.

Hostile
03-18-2008, 03:51 PM
I echo your sentiments.

I watched it on Youtube at work and thought it was a bit lengthy, it was extremely well done.

The guy certainly has skills and rivals President Clinton, an individual who I thought was extremely adroit at public speaking.I don't have sound at work, but I will watch it when I get home. No joke, one of my favorite speeches ever.

Hostile
03-18-2008, 03:53 PM
Whether you like the guy or don't like him.
Whether you like his political views or detest them.
Whether you think he would make a great, mediocre or terrible president.

One thing I think many can agree on, he definitely has a way with words.
He has a calming way about himself when he speaks and an almost regal manner about him when he speaks.I personally do like him. Do I agree with every word and policy? No, but I never have with any candidate from any party in any year, and probably never will.

More than ever after that I want him to trounce Hillary.

ZeroClub
03-18-2008, 04:15 PM
It was a fine speech.

What makes him an outstanding speaker is that he's an unusually clear and rational thinker. He's analytic, observant, and direct.

It is complimentary to refer to someone as a great speaker, of course. But in Obama's case, he's getting short changed if that's the main thing that people think about him.

When you get down to it, Obama isn't slick or particularly clever or artful in his delivery of speeches. It's not that he's a great speaker in the technical sense.

His speeches are compelling because the manner in which he thinks is compelling.

He's an unusually bright guy who says a lot of unusually bright and perceptive things.

zrinkill
03-18-2008, 04:23 PM
The fact that he faced the problem head on says a lot about the man .....

No Spin

I am very impressed.

I hope he slaughters Hilary.

sacase
03-18-2008, 04:24 PM
No question Obama is a great speaker, but hardly the best in our history. While I want him to beat Hillary, I am starting to get turned off by him. The more and more I find out about him, the less I care for him. However I detest Hillary.

THis year I am not impressed with any of our candidates. I hope someone good comes around in the next 4 years.

REDVOLUTION
03-18-2008, 04:27 PM
Whether you like the guy or don't like him.
Whether you like his political views or detest them.
Whether you think he would make a great, mediocre or terrible president.

One thing I think many can agree on, he definitely has a way with words.
He has a calming way about himself when he speaks and an almost regal manner about him when he speaks.


I hear ya... but that doesnt do it for me anymore.

What I want.. which is not attainable yet... is... a president of action. Making good decisions based on right and wrong... not based on bias and BIG business and agenda.

Being an eloquent speaker is nice tool to have... if it is used honestly... not when its to jam it in there with vaseline.... as opposed to no vaseline.

iceberg
03-18-2008, 05:35 PM
Maybe so, still angry about his association with Rev Wright.

Looking back the comment probably didn't make sense. Race is of course the issue since he's speaking about the huge fallout.

I'll read over it again.

fair enough. there are a lot of things that just bias someone against someone else to no matter what that person does you hate it.

bush will go down as a bad president in part cause he wasn't "good" and we're a very instant gratification society right now, and in part cause that IGS needs something to blame cause life doesn't work that way.

NO gets washed away and bush can't respond in record time - he hates the black man.

i still think bush did as well as he could overall in all this - but no, not the way i'd have done it. i don't see 'evil' when i see bush but i damn sure see it when hillary tries to smile.

it's like lighting ice on fire - just not natural. and i should know.

but if she is somehow elected, i gotta put aside my predisposition and try to give her the same benefit of doubt as i did bush.

lord don't let her be elected. not sure if i'm that strong.

zrinkill
03-18-2008, 06:02 PM
lord don't let her be elected. not sure if i'm that strong.


You are ..... you proved that when T.O. was behaving himself and you started defending him even though you were dead set against him being here.

You are anything but close minded my friend.

If she was President ...... and was attacked by Republicans for something stupid or for no reason other than she was Clinton.

We would both jump to her defense.

As much as we both would hate it.

;)

Heisenberg
03-18-2008, 06:02 PM
Politics gives me tiredhead. I miss not caring at all what happens. It's all just about jumping on one side or another and yelling at each other. There's a middle ground in every argument, but you'd never realize it in politics.

On the right, you're not patriotic enough. On the left, it's beware of the evil corporations trying to step on the little guy.

Once this election is over, I'm going back into apathetic mode. It's easier.

Hostile
03-18-2008, 07:39 PM
Politics gives me tiredhead. I miss not caring at all what happens. It's all just about jumping on one side or another and yelling at each other. There's a middle ground in every argument, but you'd never realize it in politics.

On the right, you're not patriotic enough. On the left, it's beware of the evil corporations trying to step on the little guy.

Once this election is over, I'm going back into apathetic mode. It's easier.Not for me it isn't. Never has been, never will be. I support issues and people on both sides of the fence and always have. I do not believe either party gives a crap about fixing things. If everything was fixed we would not need them. You can have an all Republican or all Democrat powered Government across the board and the same issues you have today will be there in 4 years when they're all up for re-election, and 4 years beyond that, and beyond that...

I will never be a party sheep.

ScipioCowboy
03-18-2008, 07:52 PM
I will never be a party sheep.

Wait a minute.

I thought you were a "Bush boy.";)

Hostile
03-18-2008, 07:58 PM
Wait a minute.

I thought you were a "Bush boy.";)One guy sure tried his damnedest to make me one didn't he?

ScipioCowboy
03-18-2008, 08:13 PM
One guy sure tried his damnedest to make me one didn't he?

He certainly did...and now, he's nowhere to be found. You didn't hurt him, did you, Hostile?:D

Hostile
03-18-2008, 08:52 PM
He certainly did...and now, he's nowhere to be found. You didn't hurt him, did you, Hostile?:DNope, but if he learned a lesson about labeling people it was worth it. I don't think he made a good impression on anyone. Maybe not even himself when he stood back and looked at it.

SultanOfSix
03-18-2008, 09:00 PM
He certainly did...and now, he's nowhere to be found. You didn't hurt him, did you, Hostile?:D

Who are you talking about?

ScipioCowboy
03-18-2008, 09:35 PM
Who are you talking about?

JTerrell, I think.