Would you be disappointed if we drafted Felix Jones at 22?

[theogt]

Just curious as to the general consensus here.

[Bob Sacamano]

you know what the consensus is

[theogt]

you know what the consensus isNo, I really don't.

[Bob Sacamano]

No, I really don't.

well I predict that it will heavily weigh to the "yes" side

seems noone is happy about the thought of him in the 1st round

[Doomsday101]

I voted no I would not be disappointed however that is not an easy question considering we don't know who else is on the board at 22.

[ddh33]

The team has a need at that position. Felix Jones looks like a great fit. He also has value in the area Dallas will be picking in. What's the problem?

[theogt]

I voted no I would not be disappointed however that is not an easy question considering we don't know who else is on the board at 22.That's fine. But I can't see any possible scenario where I'd be happy with taking him at 22. If you can, then you voted appropriately.

[theebs]

I voted no, but that is only because I think it depends on what is available and what will be available at 28.

I really know so little about him that I cant give an honest opinion.

[Rampage]

so we'd draft a back up rb to team up with another back up rb? no thanks, i'd take Ray Rice over felix and Rice is at the bottom of my list for running backs for the boys.

[heir]

Just curious as to the general consensus here.


It is hard to say. We have no idea who is still available at that spot. I voted no

[Eskimo]

I don't think he is an everydown back in this league as he is not a tough enough inside runner.

First round picks have to yield productive starters for us to manage our cap problems. We cannot be using them on part-time or complimentary players. That is what late round picks, UDFAs or FA vets are for.

We should only be spending a first rounder on a RB if that is our RB of the future and we are letting MB3 walk next year (or alternatively, trading him this year - hopefully for a mid-first rounder).

[Eskimo]

Just curious as to the general consensus here.

The concensus will be that if that is the pick, 95% of the board will love it irrespective of what they say now.

[Doomsday101]

That's fine. But I can't see any possible scenario where I'd be happy with taking him at 22. If you can, then you voted appropriately.

If Dallas were to get Jones I think chances are it would be with the 28th pick. As for the 22nd pick as I said for me it would depend on who is on the board. We don't know if there will be an early run on CB's in the draft that could play a role on who Dallas selects. The draft is so unpredictable it is hard to know. I do think Felix Jones is a very good player and he clearly helps fill a need for the team.

[theebs]

The concensus will be that if that is the pick, 95% of the board will love it irrespective of what they say now.

sad but true commentary

[Shady12]

No. I like backs you could get at the end of the second better, so a big no. For example Jamaal Charles. He'd be a bad pick there just because he's not considered a possibility that high..But what in the world makes Jones better than him? Charles proved a heck of a lot more at the same level of competition and got more of a chance to show he's a complete back. I think he has better vision and quickness, both are known for speed but Charles times a lot faster..and is a good inside runner, something that seems to be a huge question with Jones. Not sure what would make Jones considered to be a borderline first rounder by draftniks but Charles who seems more complete and has less questions is not. I'm not making a case for Charles being someone who is drafted in the first round, but if he's not, Jones certainly isn't.

[Dodger]

I'm still hoping one of the top 3 or 4 corners will drop a bit to #22. Not likely, I know, but that's the position I'd like to see addressed with the 22nd pick...if there's still value there, that is.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I would be very disappointed. IMO, Felix Jones is not the 22nd best player in this draft. That's just my opinion but if Barber is our guy, and I think that he is, then I am not in favor of drafting any RB who is only ever going to be a back-up in the 1st round.

[ABQcowboyJR]

I would be very disappointed. IMO, Felix Jones is not the 22nd best player in this draft. That's just my opinion but if Barber is our guy, and I think that he is, then I am not in favor of drafting any RB who is only ever going to be a back-up in the 1st round.
How do you feel about charles. Cause you know im sold on him. What about maybe slate

[ABQCOWBOY]

How do you feel about charles. Cause you know im sold on him. What about maybe slate

I like Charles. You know that. I really like Slaton because he represents a 4th Rd pick, or so, and I believe he can provide what is needed to supplement Barber. However, Charles, IMO, is also a very good compliment. He will just be more expensive.

[Woods]

No, I would consider him at 28 or early 2nd round if we trade down.

Personally, I would rather take Rice at 28 than F Jones at 22. I think at 28 or in the 2nd round we can still get a very good RB.

I hope we draft Cason at 22.

[ABQcowboyJR]

I like Charles. You know that. I really like Slaton because he represents a 4th Rd pick, or so, and I believe he can provide what is needed to supplement Barber. However, Charles, IMO, is also a very good compliment. He will just be more expensive.
I'm all for a Texas draft this year. I would take three UT players if we could do it. Sweed, Charles, and Okam should find there way onto our team. Don't think that we can get Sweed though.

[Goldenrichards83]

Very disappointed. With a RB rich draft why we take one in the 1st doesn't make sense. I could deal with it maybe at #28 because if his KR/PR ability but at #22 that makes no sense at all, especially when there are 2-3 guys just like him with the same ability.

[skinsscalper]

The team has a need at that position. Felix Jones looks like a great fit. He also has value in the area Dallas will be picking in. What's the problem?

There's a truth and false to this statement. I don't think that the majority who were against it would all of a sudden be for it, but I DO think that Jones would have the full support of Cowboys' fans if, indeed, he was our pick.

Until he proves he's better/worse than the last Jones then I think he'll have pretty reasonable support. There will always be detrators. I remember not too long ago people screaming we should have drafted Merriman over Ware. They've been a quiet bunch lately. The true Cowboys' fans want ALL Cowboys players to succeed regardless of whether or not they were their draft day pet cat.

[Yeagermeister]

Yes because we need a cb more than any other position even if we do get Adam.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Very disappointed. With a RB rich draft why we take one in the 1st doesn't make sense. I could deal with it maybe at #28 because if his KR/PR ability but at #22 that makes no sense at all, especially when there are 2-3 guys just like him with the same ability.

The other point that I think is valid is that most of the other Backs who are right there with him were primary threats. They had to face the starters and they were keyed on. Jones was not. He was the change of pace back, if you will. Teams did not game plan to stop Jones. They focused on DMac and that is a big differentiator, IMO. That doesn't mean that he will not be a very good player. I think he has a good chance to be that in the right system but not for a #1.

[Goldenrichards83]

The other point that I think is valid is that most of the other Backs who are right there with him were primary threats. They had to face the starters and they were keyed on. Jones was not. He was the change of pace back, if you will. Teams did not game plan to stop Jones. They focused on DMac and that is a big differentiator, IMO. That doesn't mean that he will not be a very good player. I think he has a good chance to be that in the right system but not for a #1.Wow, great point, I hadn't thought about that.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm all for a Texas draft this year. I would take three UT players if we could do it. Sweed, Charles, and Okam should find there way onto our team. Don't think that we can get Sweed though.

I would be pretty disappointed with this. That would likely mean that we spent a 1st and a 2nd on Sweed and Charles. I see both of them off the board by the 2nd round. I would not at all be please with that. 2nd and 3rd would be OK but not a 1st round pick for either of them. Okam, well, he's very high risk player. If you can get him to play up to his potential, then you definatly have a chance to land a great player. However, that's a big risk. If we could get him late, maybe 4th or 5th round, then that might be OK with me.

[Doomsday101]

Yes because we need a cb more than any other position even if we do get Adam.

I agree. I think there are maybe 5 CB who have 1st rd grades.
Cromartie, McKelvin, Jenkins, Cason and Talib. However should there be an early run on CB and I have a choice between Felix Jones and Talib chances are I go Jones. I want a CB but I don't want to reach for any position. Take the BPA that fits a need.

[DaBoys4Life]

dont like jones

[ABQcowboyJR]

I would be pretty disappointed with this. That would likely mean that we spent a 1st and a 2nd on Sweed and Charles. I see both of them off the board by the 2nd round. I would not at all be please with that. 2nd and 3rd would be OK but not a 1st round pick for either of them. Okam, well, he's very high risk player. If you can get him to play up to his potential, then you definatly have a chance to land a great player. However, that's a big risk. If we could get him late, maybe 4th or 5th round, then that might be OK with me.
I think that we should try and move more towards the middle of the second round in order to get Charles. If we cannot get a trade done for RW then we should trade down with our 28 and pick up Charles.

[Dodger]

Take the BPA that fits a need.I agree, but that's my problem with the 22nd overall pick in general. First, I think the better corners will be gone, and those that are left may be a reach here. Second, no receiver is worth the 22nd overall pick. And third, there's such a slew of good running backs in this draft that Jones will likely still be there at #28.

Kind of a sucky draft slot to have for the Cowboys if you ask me...

[Doomsday101]

I agree, but that's my problem with the 22nd overall pick in general. First, I think the better corners will be gone, and those that are left may be a reach here. Second, no receiver is worth the 22nd overall pick. And third, there's such a slew of good running backs in this draft that Jones will likely still be there at #28.

Kind of a sucky draft slot to have for the Cowboys if you ask me...

Dallas then could trade out of the 22nd if things fall that way and they feel Jones would still be there at 28.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree, but that's my problem with the 22nd overall pick in general. First, I think the better corners will be gone, and those that are left may be a reach here. Second, no receiver is worth the 22nd overall pick. And third, there's such a slew of good running backs in this draft that Jones will likely still be there at #28.

Kind of a sucky draft slot to have for the Cowboys if you ask me...

I think the strength of this draft is in the 2nd round. To tell the truth, I would love to see us trade down with both of our 1st round picks and aquire one of the Vet WRs everybody is talking about. However, I believe that t good player will be there a 22. The problem is that nobody is willing to consider anything other then WR, RB and CB in the 1st round. There are several very good players that could be there, that fit a need but don't play one of those three positions.

[Dodger]

There are several very good players that could be there, that fit a need but don't play one of those three positions.I'm sure there would be at least a couple of worthy prospects at #22 if you looked at positions other than WR, CB and RB. Do you have anyone in mind?

[coach316]

I voted yes, because I think we can find a back to compliment Marion Barber in rounds 2-4...like we did with Barber himself. If we were looking to find a feature back then no I wouldn't, but that's not the case.

We have greater needs at CB and WR....backup running back or change of pace running back can be had and at a better price in the middle rounds.

[rlgiv]

IF he comes in and helps this team improve I really don't care where they are drafted. The diffrence between 22 and 28 is nothing in the big scheme of things here.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm sure there would be at least a couple of worthy prospects at #22 if you looked at positions other than WR, CB and RB. Do you have anyone in mind?

Yep.

Albert
Otah
Groves
Mayo
Chris Williams maybe.

Maybe Balmer or Merling. Either would look very good at DE but each have Character issues so that would have to be evaluated. Maybe you take them off the board, I don't know, but both have 1st round talent and production to back it up.

[Woods]

Yep.

Albert
Otah
Groves
Mayo
Chris Williams maybe.

Maybe Balmer or Merling. Either would look very good at DE but each have Character issues so that would have to be evaluated. Maybe you take them off the board, I don't know, but both have 1st round talent and production to back it up.

Of your list, I'd strongly consider Albert and C Williams at 22 if no comparable CBs or RBs were on the Board (assuming we don't trade down).

I'm just not sold on Otah, though he will probably be taken fairly high. As for Mayo, I don't think I'd take him at 22, though I would have to consider him at 28.

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'd be pissed...:mad: He's not what Dallas needs at 22, I'm tired of all these so called mock drafts stating Dallas will take him at either 22 or 28.

[Goldenrichards83]

Yep.

Albert
Otah
Groves
Mayo
Chris Williams maybe.

Maybe Balmer or Merling. Either would look very good at DE but each have Character issues so that would have to be evaluated. Maybe you take them off the board, I don't know, but both have 1st round talent and production to back it up.Out of that list Albert I think will be long gone. Some say he has moved into the top 10. Groves is very intriguing, a future of Ware, Spencer and Groves would be downright scary. Too early for Mayo, 28th maybe. I think we are set at the tackles positions.

[Dodger]

Yep.

Albert
Otah
Groves
Mayo
Chris Williams maybe.

Maybe Balmer or Merling. Either would look very good at DE but each have Character issues so that would have to be evaluated. Maybe you take them off the board, I don't know, but both have 1st round talent and production to back it up.I wouldn't mind a DE at #22...I wouldn't be all that excited about it, but if there's better value at DE than our three need positions, that'd be okay...

Kinda...

We take another LB, though, and people will be throwing their guacamole into their TV sets...

[Deep_Freeze]

Another Felix thread, and another brick thrown from me. If we don't draft Felix, he is going to the second round. That's pathetic but true.

Honestly, I hate our drafts spots right now. I wouldn't mind, matter of fact......I hope we trade out of both of them, down, up, doesn't matter to me. Heck, trade one of them for next year, anything. Every player it seems we can get in our spots are either injuried, second round talents, or nutcases.

I need a drink.

[windward]

I don't think he is an everydown back in this league as he is not a tough enough inside runner.

First round picks have to yield productive starters for us to manage our cap problems. We cannot be using them on part-time or complimentary players. That is what late round picks, UDFAs or FA vets are for.

We should only be spending a first rounder on a RB if that is our RB of the future and we are letting MB3 walk next year (or alternatively, trading him this year - hopefully for a mid-first rounder).
I agree. If we hold on to both of our first rounders would rather see a cb( to replace Henry eventually) and wr (nuff said on that)

[ABQCOWBOY]

I wouldn't mind a DE at #22...I wouldn't be all that excited about it, but if there's better value at DE than our three need positions, that'd be okay...

Kinda...

We take another LB, though, and people will be throwing their guacamole into their TV sets...


The way I see this, we need to have one other guy who can create pressure on the field at all times. We have Ware, we have Ellis (and Spencer will replace him when the time comes) but nobody else is stepping up. If we had a DE who could create pressure, (and in Phillips' 34, they can unlike other 34 schemes) that makes us almost impossible to stop. Most don't see this as a need, but I see it as the next logical step in our defensive evolution towards greatness.

Mayo can play ILB. To me, that's a big need. We have guys at LB now but honestly, in another years time, I see all that changing. Carp is do or die, IMO, this year. Heck, he could get moved. He needs to show up and right now, his position is OLB. Who is he going to beat out at that spot? Barnett has been here his aloted time. He's not producing so he has to go before his Vet salary starts escalating IMO. Ayodele is just a guy. He isn't a difference maker and his production is just not good enough. James is getting better but he's always going to be a two down LB. He might due if you pair him with a great ILB but you can't rely on him to be that great ILB IMO. It may not be a guy a lot of fans like but Mayo is a 6-1 240-245 lbs LB who runs a 4.5 and Hits with force. This guy registered 140 tackles in 07. He's an underclassman so he will get bigger and stronger. His agilities are off the charts.

40: 4.54 His low was a 4.49
20: 2.58
10: 1.50
Bench: 22
Vert: (at his Pro Day) 40 1/2. I mean, what do you say about that?
Shuttle: 4.29
Broad: 9'06"
3-Cone: 7.31

Here are Patrick Willis' numbers from 07, also 6-1 242 lbs.:

40: 4.51
20: 2.54
10: 1.52
Bench: 22
Vert: 39
Broad: 9'11"
Shuttle 4.37
3-Cone: 7.10

He may be a better OLB then ILB. He is extremly intelligent, football wise. He calls plays, he studies film constintly. He is almost fanatical about it, according to reports. In HS, in his Sr. year, he recorded 110 tackles and rushed for 1245 yards and 13 TDs. This is the cover LB that we have been looking for. This is what we hoped we would get with Burnett. He's a 4 Down LB and he's smart. He is also a leader which means that he may be the LB we need to Mic Up for our defense. To me, we could do much worse at 22.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Out of that list Albert I think will be long gone. Some say he has moved into the top 10. Groves is very intriguing, a future of Ware, Spencer and Groves would be downright scary. Too early for Mayo, 28th maybe. I think we are set at the tackles positions.


I believe that he will be also but, if he slides because he is being considered a Guard, then I would take him quick. Take a look at the post I just made. You may want to re-think Mayo. The Tackles, Otah is raw but he probably has the best natural skills of any of the Tackles. He is a guy that I think you could take and keep for a year or two on the sideline. When Adams contract gets stupid, he would step in and be dominating at LT. That's why he's on the list. Same with the other tackle Williams.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Of your list, I'd strongly consider Albert and C Williams at 22 if no comparable CBs or RBs were on the Board (assuming we don't trade down).

I'm just not sold on Otah, though he will probably be taken fairly high. As for Mayo, I don't think I'd take him at 22, though I would have to consider him at 28.

Hey Woods, kinda working backwords here. Read my previous two and they kind explain why I would consider the two you mention at 22.

[Goldenrichards83]

I believe that he will be also but, if he slides because he is being considered a Guard, then I would take him quick. Take a look at the post I just made. You may want to re-think Mayo. The Tackles, Otah is raw but he probably has the best natural skills of any of the Tackles. He is a guy that I think you could take and keep for a year or two on the sideline. When Adams contract gets stupid, he would step in and be dominating at LT. That's why he's on the list. Same with the other tackle Williams.Ohh don't get me wrong. I love Mayo. I actually did a mock about 2 months ago with him in it when really noone was talkin about him. I am a Georgia Bulldog but I study SEC players and this kid is the real deal. I just think he will be there at #28 and #22 may be a lil too soon for him but I love your write up about him. I wouldn't be mad if we took him there. As far as the Tackles go I think we have to see what we have in the young guys before we flood the position. I think Houck will work his majic on Free and Marteen.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ohh don't get me wrong. I love Mayo. I actually did a mock about 2 months ago with him in it when really noone was talkin about him. I am a Georgia Bulldog but I study SEC players and this kid is the real deal. I just think he will be there at #28 and #22 may be a lil too soon for him but I love your write up about him. I wouldn't be mad if we took him there. As far as the Tackles go I think we have to see what we have in the young guys before we flood the position. I think Houck will work his majic on Free and Marteen.


I really like Mayo. When you can play in the SEC, you can play anywhere IMO. I would probably go the other way, if it were me. There are several CBs I really like in this draft. I think there will be talent later. ILB, not so much. If we do trade for Jones, then I would probably spend a 2nd on a guy like Talib, Cason or maybe try to pick up King or Proctor in the 3rd. I would consider Ikegwuonu in the 5th, if we don't trade for PacMan. I would seriously look at Scandrick and Molden in the 6th or so as Special Teams guys and future Prospects. Scandrick at a CB. I think that both of those guys could be ideal as developmental players.

On the Tackles, well, I might try to work out a deal with Miami for some of our OLs. They need OLs bad and BP would rather take guys he knows then draft players he doesn't, if he thinks they can play. That's kinda in the back of my mind.

[dbair1967]

That's fine. But I can't see any possible scenario where I'd be happy with taking him at 22. If you can, then you voted appropriately.

if he's the highest rated player on their draft board when they come up at 22, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking him...and with Stewarts injury concern, it might not be that far fetched that Jones goes before him anyway

and I really think they wouldnt take him at 22 unless he is far and away more value for them than anyone else...if its close you could see them look at another position and take a RB later

David

[ABQcowboyJR]

I really like Mayo. When you can play in the SEC, you can play anywhere IMO. I would probably go the other way, if it were me. There are several CBs I really like in this draft. I think there will be talent later. ILB, not so much. If we do trade for Jones, then I would probably spend a 2nd on a guy like Talib, Cason or maybe try to pick up King or Proctor in the 3rd. I would consider Ikegwuonu in the 5th, if we don't trade for PacMan. I would seriously look at Scandrick and Molden in the 6th or so as Special Teams guys and future Prospects. Scandrick at a CB. I think that both of those guys could be ideal as developmental players.

On the Tackles, well, I might try to work out a deal with Miami for some of our OLs. They need OLs bad and BP would rather take guys he knows then draft players he doesn't, if he thinks they can play. That's kinda in the back of my mind.
You can never have to many OL guys. I would take at least two every year.

[Fletch]

Disappointed? No. I do think he will turn out to be a game breaker.

Felix or Ray Rice would be a positive thing.

[theogt]

if he's the highest rated player on their draft board when they come up at 22, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking him...and with Stewarts injury concern, it might not be that far fetched that Jones goes before him anyway

and I really think they wouldnt take him at 22 unless he is far and away more value for them than anyone else...if its close you could see them look at another position and take a RB later

DavidThat's the point of the poll. I would have a problem if he's in the top 22 players on the Cowboys' draft board.

[Beast_from_East]

Just curious as to the general consensus here.

It would be on par with the Ginn pick last year, noway Felix should be considered at 22.

What retard would take Felix at 22?

:bang2:

[Beast_from_East]

The team has a need at that position. Felix Jones looks like a great fit. He also has value in the area Dallas will be picking in. What's the problem?

Can he cover???

[Cali'sFinest]

I'd be disappointed if we drafted him in ANY round. UGH.

[ABQcowboyJR]

I'd be disappointed if we drafted him in ANY round. UGH.
I feel the same way. I think that he has a lot of talent but he really is the most over rated player in the draft.

[dbair1967]

That's the point of the poll. I would have a problem if he's in the top 22 players on the Cowboys' draft board.

so basically because their draft board wouldnt look like yours, it'd be a disappointment? Our scouts have been doing a pretty solid job on the draft since 2002...I trust them now...the worst early picks we've made were guys Parcells insisted on getting (ie, Johnson, Rogers & Carpenter) despite reported protests from the scouts themselves

but the bottom line is if he's the best player on their board, they should take him

David

[dbair1967]

It would be on par with the Ginn pick last year, noway Felix should be considered at 22.

What retard would take Felix at 22?

:bang2:

Big difference from the 9th overall pick to the 22nd overall pick, would you agree?

and Jones has been more produtive as a RB than Ginn had been as a WR anyway, against better competition

David

[ABQcowboyJR]

so basically because their draft board wouldnt look like yours, it'd be a disappointment? Our scouts have been doing a pretty solid job on the draft since 2002...I trust them now...the worst early picks we've made were guys Parcells insisted on getting (ie, Johnson, Rogers & Carpenter) despite reported protests from the scouts themselves

but the bottom line is if he's the best player on their board, they should take him

David
Jeff Ireland gone worries me much.

[dbair1967]

Jeff Ireland gone worries me much.

me, not so much

he wasnt doing anything except being Parcells' yes man while he was here anyway(something he is doing a fine job at again now)

and its been pointed out numerous times that there were other people just as, if not more influential within the organization on the draft anyway

David

[tomson75]

You can never have to many OL guys. I would take at least two every year.

If you're referring to the draft, that's possibly the most absurd comment ever (for level headed posters). It's a position best served by age...FA is often a better source of help.

....don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from, but two every year is beyond exaggeration. That leaves us five picks to fill the other 17 positions...or rather five picks to fill what would be the equivalent of 77% of our roster. OL is important, but not at the expense of weaker positions.... FWIW, I think we've been doing a decent job at filling our OL in the past few years...a far cry better than previous years, at least. No offense Pittdawg.

[ABQcowboyJR]

If you're referring to the draft, that's possibly the most absurd comment ever (for level headed posters). It's a position best served by age...FA is often a better source of help.

....don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from, but two every year is beyond exaggeration. That leaves us five picks to fill the other 17 positions...or rather five picks to fill what would be the equivalent of 77% of our roster. OL is important, but not at the expense of weaker positions.... FWIW, I think we've been doing a decent job at filling our OL in the past few years...a far cry better than previous years, at least. No offense Pittdawg.
I did not mean just in the draft. You can sign undrafted people and do things in FA. I feel that you should keep bringing in new guys and letting them fight for spots.

[REDVOLUTION]

Some on here have said he may be a Julius, Jr.

If thats the case then I dont want him.

[theogt]

so basically because their draft board wouldnt look like yours, it'd be a disappointment?You're exactly right. I formulate my own opinion and don't rely solely on the opinion of others.

[Vintage]

You're exactly right. I formulate my own opinion and don't rely solely on the opinion of others.


That's great that you have your opinion and will stick to it regardless of what the popular opinion may be...

But if the Cowboys have him in their top 22 players....and you don't.... I know who I am siding with.

Doesn't mean the Cowboys will necessarily be right (if they put Jones in their top 22), but the odds are better that they've evaluated him right more so than anyone here ever could.

[theogt]

That's great that you have your opinion and will stick to it regardless of what the popular opinion may be...

But if the Cowboys have him in their top 22 players....and you don't.... I know who I am siding with.

Doesn't mean the Cowboys will necessarily be right (if they put Jones in their top 22), but the odds are better that they've evaluated him right more so than anyone here ever could.This wasn't a poll on whether or not you agree with my opinion over that of the team scouts. If I cared what your opinion was on that matter I might have created a poll on it.

[Bleu Star]

We need a CB like it's no one's business. I hope my day doesn't get ruined on draft day.

[ABQcowboyJR]

This wasn't a poll on whether or not you agree with my opinion over that of the team scouts. If I cared what your opinion was on that matter I might have created a poll on it.
harsh

[dbair1967]

That's great that you have your opinion and will stick to it regardless of what the popular opinion may be...

But if the Cowboys have him in their top 22 players....and you don't.... I know who I am siding with.

Doesn't mean the Cowboys will necessarily be right (if they put Jones in their top 22), but the odds are better that they've evaluated him right more so than anyone here ever could.

yep...totally agree

just because they dont draft somebody's pet player doesnt mean its a bad draft...unfortunately thats a concept many in this forum dont grasp

this team has alot of options for them...we're very talented with no really glaring hole among the starters...we obviously need a nickel CB and that may be coming via trade, or via a draft pick, but some think it HAS to be a 1st rd pick and thats just wrong...we obviusly need a #2 RB, thats coming via the draft...we could use a quality starting WR to pair with Owens, that is unlikely to happen unless we somehow convince the Lions, Bengals or Cards to trade with us...we could potentially look at a highly rated safety for the purpose of helping the nickel defense and possibly replacing Roy (if he plays bad) or Hamlin (if they cant get a long term deal worked out) after this season...they obviously have some interest in OL and LB, because they are bringing a few of those highly rated guys in for look sees....

there's really little they can do to not have a strong draft and improve the team

David

[Vintage]

This wasn't a poll on whether or not you agree with my opinion over that of the team scouts. If I cared what your opinion was on that matter I might have created a poll on it.

But the two are intertwined.

The poll asks if we'd be upset with Felix Jones at 22.

Which means, the Cowboys brass thinks he is worth the selection, in your hypothetical.

Which means, do you think that the organization is wrong on their evaluation on Jones....?

Let's say I don't think Jones is worth the 22nd pick, but he does get selected. Me being upset with the pick is essentially stating that I think the Cowboys got it wrong; and I am right....

Which, could legitimately be the truth.

But the odds are greater our organization got it right than my opinion....

[Vintage]

harsh

Nah.

Anytime theo does something like that, I take it with a grain of salt. I like his posts - he knows that. And he knows I like him as a poster.

So I don't take it personally, and I doubt he meant it to be personal.

And if he did, that's fine too.

[Bob Sacamano]

But the two are intertwined.

no crap, the poll was asking for an opinion

[theogt]

But the two are intertwined.

The poll asks if we'd be upset with Felix Jones at 22.

Which means, the Cowboys brass thinks he is worth the selection, in your hypothetical.

Which means, do you think that the organization is wrong on their evaluation on Jones....?

Let's say I don't think Jones is worth the 22nd pick, but he does get selected. Me being upset with the pick is essentially stating that I think the Cowboys got it wrong; and I am right....

Which, could legitimately be the truth.

But the odds are greater our organization got it right than my opinion....So, basically you're okay with whatever decision the front office makes. That's fine. Then your answer is obviously "no." Some other people formulate their own opinion and don't substitute that of the front office for their own. I think it's perfectly fine to disagree with their decision.

[theogt]

Nah.

Anytime theo does something like that, I take it with a grain of salt. I like his posts - he knows that. And he knows I like him as a poster.

So I don't take it personally, and I doubt he meant it to be personal.

And if he did, that's fine too.By the way, I didn't mean to come off harsh. I guess I have a terrible time gaging how my posts come off. Tone is hard to convey (or not convey).

[Vintage]

So, basically you're okay with whatever decision the front office makes. That's fine. Then your answer is obviously "no." Some other people formulate their own opinion and don't substitute that of the front office for their own. I think it's perfectly fine to disagree with their decision.

No. What I am saying is that if my opinion of Jones is that he isn't worth the 22nd pick (which, I don't personally think he is).... but the Cowboys draft him, they clearly view him worth the selection....and the odds are they are probably more right about it than I am.

[Vintage]

By the way, I didn't mean to come off harsh. I guess I have a terrible time gaging how my posts come off. Tone is hard to convey (or not convey).

Read above. I didn't take it personally.

[Bob Sacamano]

By the way, I didn't mean to come off harsh. I guess I have a terrible time gaging how my posts come off. Tone is hard to convey (or not convey).

you come off as a spaz is what you do ;)

[theogt]

you come off as a spaz is what you do ;)Do you still think I'm an idiot for thinking Malcolm Kelly is slow?

[Bob Sacamano]

Do you still think I'm an idiot for thinking Malcolm Kelly is slow?

I don't think he has a problem getting downfield

[theogt]

I don't think he has a problem getting downfieldNah. He gets there.

Eventually.

[Bob Sacamano]

Nah. He gets there.

Eventually.

:muttley:

[Big Dakota]

If drafting Jones means keeping MBIII long term and keeping our #28 I'm ALL FOR drafting him as a backup to MBIII.

[Bob Sacamano]

look at that huge margin

am I psycho or what?

[GimmeTheBall!]

The team has a need at that position. Felix Jones looks like a great fit. He also has value in the area Dallas will be picking in. What's the problem?

The problem is we need a CB and a WR before we get to RB.
And Jones won't be there in the late second round.
The Cowboys already have MB, so a Jones is a luxury jerra cannot afford.

[stasheroo]

I don't see how a team can use a first round draft choice on a running back who - in my opinion - is not and never will be a full-time player.

Jones isn't a 'carry the mail' guy.

A few seasons ago, the Cowboys had the chance, and passed on Steven Jackson. That was a full-time running back. I would hate to see them compound a previous error by using their #1 on a part-timer.

If Marion Barber is 'the guy' then a backup to him shouldn't be a first round priority.

And if Barber is not the guy (say his $$$ demands are outrageous), then you need to look at a back who can handle a full workload.

Regardless, Jones in the 1st round makes little sense to me.

[Tex]

I'm sure there would be at least a couple of worthy prospects at #22 if you looked at positions other than WR, CB and RB. Do you have anyone in mind?

Yep. If Kenny Phillips makes it to 22 I would snatch him in a second. I know we have other holes but..... Hamlin is going to be here one more year. Who knows if RW will return to form.

Tex

[Joe Rod]

I'm honestly not sure how to gauge this guy. If he can come in and produce twenty touches per game (kick-offs, running and receiving), then he may be worth it, but only if Barber remains healthy. Look at how the Saints faired when they had to put Reggie Bush in as the full-time starter. How good of a kick returner is he (Non-You tube wise)?

[Hostile]

Explaining my vote. I really like Felix Jones and would love to have him here, but not at 22. It's entirely about projections, not about him.

[BehindEnemyLinez]

YES. While I have no problem w/ the player (as BP would say), it's the spot that I take issue with. From what I've seen of him, he's not worthy of a 1st round pick (unless he's the BPA @ that position).

[dbair1967]

Explaining my vote. I really like Felix Jones and would love to have him here, but not at 22. It's entirely about projections, not about him.

how bout Felix Jones at 22...trade 28 for Roy Williams and draft your boy Cason at our pick in the 2nd rd?

and yes, I do think he might be available with our 2nd rd pick...or at least in close proximety

David

[Chuck 54]

I would not be disappointed at all. I think he's rated by almost everyone as one of the top 3-4 backs, and some rate him as the 2nd best RB.

I personally believe that most of the CBs, including DRC, are extremely over-rated and that our scouts probably watched enough of their unimpressive college film not to fall in love with combine and post season performances. If the top two CB's are gone, and they will be, then the CB's in rounds 2-3 are every bit as good a value as taking the marginal guys in round 1.

I don't know enough about Felix Jones to be a fan or a naysayer, but I trust our guys to take the best players who represent the best values on the board, so I'd be happy if #22 were a RB, OL, or even a great QB who dropped.

This year's rookies aren't about winning this year's super bowl...though they could play a role.

[theogt]

I would not be disappointed at all. I think he's rated by almost everyone as one of the top 3-4 backs, and some rate him as the 2nd best RB.Who? .

[The Rawhide Kid]

Who? . Every single draft magazine I have rates him 4th, behind DMac, Stewart, and Mendenhall. I'd like to see the reasoning behind rating him the 2nd best Rb in the draft.

[DFWJC]

No thank you

[DFWJC]

I would not be disappointed at all. I think he's rated by almost everyone as one of the top 3-4 backs, and some rate him as the 2nd best RB..

Whoa. I have not seen that anywhere. 4th is the highest I've seen, but I'll take your word for it.

[theogt]

Every single draft magazine I have rates him 4th, behind DMac, Stewart, and Mendenhall. I'd like to see the reasoning behind rating him the 2nd best Rb in the draft.Yeah, 4th seems to be consensus (though very wrong in my opinion). I've never seen him ranked 2nd. Or even 3rd.

[BraveHeartFan]

I wouldn't like him at 22 but if he's there for our 2nd, then I'd like him in the second. There are a handful of guys I'd rather have, but i wouldn't be horribly upset if we wind up with Felix. I think that it's a reach, however, at 22.

[DFWJC]

I agree, but that's my problem with the 22nd overall pick in general. First, I think the better corners will be gone, and those that are left may be a reach here. Second, no receiver is worth the 22nd overall pick. And third, there's such a slew of good running backs in this draft that Jones will likely still be there at #28.

Kind of a sucky draft slot to have for the Cowboys if you ask me...

I agree that 22nd pick is an odd slot for our needs and what may be there if we want value. Some even think that if the top 3 RBs and top DBs are gone, and a great OL guys falls to us, we should go ahead and get value with him unless a great trade comes up. I can't wait to see how this unfolds.

[Erik_H]

I would be very disappointed. IMO, Felix Jones is not the 22nd best player in this draft. That's just my opinion but if Barber is our guy, and I think that he is, then I am not in favor of drafting any RB who is only ever going to be a back-up in the 1st round.

Exactly. Reaching for a RB with our first pick (even if it's not a huge reach) sends a 'lack of faith' message to Barber. I wouldn't as against it at 28.

...Of course we're all hoping 28 turns into a vet WR. ;)

I still like the idea of packaging what we can in later picks to move into the top 1/3 of the 2nd round to get our RB.

Give me a CB at 22, at vet WR at 28 and a RB in the 2nd and I'll be smilin.

[dbair1967]

Yeah, 4th seems to be consensus (though very wrong in my opinion). I've never seen him ranked 2nd. Or even 3rd.

fwiw TSN has him ranked 3rd, almost all the others I've seen have him 4th...but right after Stewart underwent the surgery, I heard several of these draft guys say Jones might go before him now based on what teams end up thinking about his injury situation...obviously we arnt privvy to the medical info the 32 teams are getting on Stewart

David

[Eskimo]

fwiw TSN has him ranked 3rd, almost all the others I've seen have him 4th...but right after Stewart underwent the surgery, I heard several of these draft guys say Jones might go before him now based on what teams end up thinking about his injury situation...obviously we arnt privvy to the medical info the 32 teams are getting on Stewart

David

One of the things I wonder about Jones is that he isn't overly big or physical and his speed at the combine was pretty pedestrian. Aren't there more concerns about how his skills will translate to a pro-set offense where defenses will key against him? He isn't going to be able to turn the corner so easily in the pros at 4.47. This is barely faster than MB3.

[TheCount]

I am not a Felix Jones fan, and at 22, I might throw my remote through my tv.

That being said, if he was taken with the 28th, or (more preferably, if it had to be done) a move in the 2nd round, I wouldn't be too upset.

[Beast_from_East]

Big difference from the 9th overall pick to the 22nd overall pick, would you agree?

and Jones has been more produtive as a RB than Ginn had been as a WR anyway, against better competition

David

How you doing David.

I am not saying Felix Jones is a scrub or anything, I just dont think he is one of the top 22 players in this draft.

I have him graded as a very late 1st, early 2nd. Taking him at 22 would be a huge reach in my opinion.

[dbair1967]

One of the things I wonder about Jones is that he isn't overly big or physical and his speed at the combine was pretty pedestrian. Aren't there more concerns about how his skills will translate to a pro-set offense where defenses will key against him? He isn't going to be able to turn the corner so easily in the pros at 4.47. This is barely faster than MB3.

Use your eyes dude...when you play in the SEC and constantly run away from people there, you dont have a speed problem...you cant consistently make the kinds of long TD runs he has since his FR yr if speed is an issue...

David

[dbair1967]

How you doing David.

I am not saying Felix Jones is a scrub or anything, I just dont think he is one of the top 22 players in this draft.

I have him graded as a very late 1st, early 2nd. Taking him at 22 would be a huge reach in my opinion.

I dont think we'll pick him at 22, but if the Cowboys get on the clock and he's the highest rated guy there, then they should pick him...I agree with you he's better value at 28-34

I would imagine some of what they do at 22 might be based on what they think will happen with their 28th pick (ie, if they believe they are going to get a deal for a WR)

David

[skinsscalper]

how bout Felix Jones at 22...trade 28 for Roy Williams and draft your boy Cason at our pick in the 2nd rd?

and yes, I do think he might be available with our 2nd rd pick...or at least in close proximety

David

With all due respect, dbair, I don't think Cason even sniffs the 60's. King maybe, but I think Cason will be long gone by the middle of round 2.

[dbair1967]

With all due respect, dbair, I don't think Cason even sniffs the 60's. King maybe, but I think Cason will be long gone by the middle of round 2.

we shall see I guess...but I dont believe he's going to be a first rd pick

if he falls to the middle of round 2 and Dallas really likes him, they could try to move up to get him

but I do think there's gonna be 6 or 7 CB's taken before Cason, and probably 2 of the safeties

David

[ctrous25]

Id take fiv or six backs before Felix Jones and I dont think there will be that many backs taken befor#22 so I voted NO

[Cowboys2008]

I don't see him as an every down back. And if we're drafting a "compliment" to Marion Barber, then we should be drafting someone who could also step in and completely spell him if an injury were to happen. I just don't think Felix Jones comes anywhere close to being that kind of player.

Personally, I think we need to remember who the "compliment" back is here- and that's Marion. We've already got a "compliment" back. Now it's time to find someone for him to "compliment".

We will regret anything less then a McFadden or a Mendenall (Sp) if we go RB in round 1. It will be Carpenter all over again but at the RB position. The having of a 2nd round guy in the 1st. I'm sorry, but that less then appeals to me. With 2 number 1's we need to find real value or what's the use of even having these 2 picks in round 1 if we're just going to settle again for the "less-than-stellar".

[Eskimo]

[QUOTE=Cowboys2008;2033803]

Personally, I think we need to remember who the "compliment" back is here- and that's Marion. We've already got a "compliment" back. Now it's time to find someone for him to "compliment".
/QUOTE]

I agree to a certain extent - I think MB3 could be a full-time starter but I don't know how long he'll last given his size and running style. I would not like to give him a 5-year deal for $6-7 million/year which is probably what he is seeking. Only true elite backs are worth this because of they affect other team's game planning.

I wouldn't mind getting a back in the low-end of the first to mid-second round that can be the full-time back next year because I don't think we can afford MB3's contract demands with Ware, Canty and TNew's due for new contracts soon.

I see us parting ways with Hamlin and Barber and possibly TNew depending on how the caponomics work next year.

[TwoDeep3]

If Antoine Cason is there, absolutely I would be angry.

[Chuck 54]

Who? .

Kiper currently has him ranked as the 3rd best RB and the #18 player in the entire draft.

The Sporting News always had him as the #3 RB, almost in a dead heat with Mendenhall...8.3 to 8.2.

I was probably confused when I said ranked #2...sometimes publications have a guy as the 2nd back drafted even though he may be the 3rd or 4th ranked back...I guess because they think a certain back fits a certain team better.

Bottom line is that almost everyone has him going before Stewart in the draft now, and most have him rated fairly high.

My point still stands that before the Combine, I was reading left and right how much some fans wanted Felix Jones at the bottom of round one; then he doesn't put up enough bench presses at the combine, and they all dump on him...I think that's sort of silly and short sighted, but I already gave my reasons. If he was high on the Dallas draft board before the Combine, I'm sure he still is...you don't ignore the way a guy ran in college against very tough competition just because he didn't shine at the combine...imo.

Felix Jones may not have the straight line speed of Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles, but he certainly looks more elusive and is ranked much higher, so I would have no problem if that's who Dallas's experts decide is worth the pick.

[DFWJC]

You're exactly right. I formulate my own opinion and don't rely solely on the opinion of others.

I'll second that. What's the point in asking how we would feel if they were not our opinions? Most of us here disagree on something about this draft, but it would be awfully boring if we didn't.

[Chuck 54]

For what it's worth, and I'm sure that's not much....TSN's write up went this way:

NFL comparison: Frank Gore, 49ers

Inside Running: Is surprisingly aggressive and explosive. Hits the hole fast, showing the strength and balance to absorb hits and keep on going. Does not consistantly wrap up the ball.

Outside Running: Is a threat to score when he reaches the open field. Has the explosive burst to bounce outside when the middle is clogged. Explodes through the backside hole.

Blocking: Lacks experience as a lead blocker. Is surprisingly competitive, productive pass blocker who steps up and neutralizes blitzers.

Hands/routes: Has excellent hands, making tough catches look easy. Runs precise routes and shows explosive burst out of cuts.

Durability: Is strong and tough, but runs upright and absorbs tons of hard hits.

Bottom Line: Jones has not received as much attention as teammate Darren McFadden, but is more versatile. With Jones' all-around ability, he will become a top NFL feature back and an elite kickoff return man.

Certainly, none of us has to agree with any of that, and again, I didn't actually see the kid play much, but it explains why some publications like TSN rank him so highly. Again, I'm not calling for his name on draft day, but I do think the guys who soured on him due to 8 bench presses are missing the point.

[tomson75]

Ummmm....how in Hades is Jones more versatile than McFadden? Kinda takes any credibility away form that write up, IMO.

[dbair1967]

Kiper currently has him ranked as the 3rd best RB and the #18 player in the entire draft.

The Sporting News always had him as the #3 RB, almost in a dead heat with Mendenhall...8.3 to 8.2.

I was probably confused when I said ranked #2...sometimes publications have a guy as the 2nd back drafted even though he may be the 3rd or 4th ranked back...I guess because they think a certain back fits a certain team better.

Bottom line is that almost everyone has him going before Stewart in the draft now, and most have him rated fairly high.

My point still stands that before the Combine, I was reading left and right how much some fans wanted Felix Jones at the bottom of round one; then he doesn't put up enough bench presses at the combine, and they all dump on him...I think that's sort of silly and short sighted, but I already gave my reasons. If he was high on the Dallas draft board before the Combine, I'm sure he still is...you don't ignore the way a guy ran in college against very tough competition just because he didn't shine at the combine...imo.

Felix Jones may not have the straight line speed of Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles, but he certainly looks more elusive and is ranked much higher, so I would have no problem if that's who Dallas's experts decide is worth the pick.

fwiw there is a draft guide out there with FJ as the #2 back...if you go to the newsstand it has McFadden on the cover and is basically a nameless draft guide (I have no idea who made it) but I did look through it

David

[MichaelWinicki]

Kiper currently has him ranked as the 3rd best RB and the #18 player in the entire draft.

The Sporting News always had him as the #3 RB, almost in a dead heat with Mendenhall...8.3 to 8.2.

I was probably confused when I said ranked #2...sometimes publications have a guy as the 2nd back drafted even though he may be the 3rd or 4th ranked back...I guess because they think a certain back fits a certain team better.

Bottom line is that almost everyone has him going before Stewart in the draft now, and most have him rated fairly high.

My point still stands that before the Combine, I was reading left and right how much some fans wanted Felix Jones at the bottom of round one; then he doesn't put up enough bench presses at the combine, and they all dump on him...I think that's sort of silly and short sighted, but I already gave my reasons. If he was high on the Dallas draft board before the Combine, I'm sure he still is...you don't ignore the way a guy ran in college against very tough competition just because he didn't shine at the combine...imo.

Felix Jones may not have the straight line speed of Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles, but he certainly looks more elusive and is ranked much higher, so I would have no problem if that's who Dallas's experts decide is worth the pick.


Ourlads has him as the 4th best back.

I don't realistically see how anyone could knock drafting Felix Jones in the first round based on his talent-- I really don't.

Now, if you said it wouldn't be a wise move because we already have a pro-bowl back... then I think you have a more realistic argument-- and one I may ultimately agree with.

[Thomas82]

If Dallas were to get Jones I think chances are it would be with the 28th pick. As for the 22nd pick as I said for me it would depend on who is on the board. We don't know if there will be an early run on CB's in the draft that could play a role on who Dallas selects. The draft is so unpredictable it is hard to know. I do think Felix Jones is a very good player and he clearly helps fill a need for the team.

If we were to draft Felix Jones, I think it would be a reach to draft him in the first round.

[MichaelWinicki]

we shall see I guess...but I dont believe he's going to be a first rd pick

if he falls to the middle of round 2 and Dallas really likes him, they could try to move up to get him

but I do think there's gonna be 6 or 7 CB's taken before Cason, and probably 2 of the safeties

David

I don't think he's going to be a first round pick either. Nor does he deserve to be.

[MichaelWinicki]

For what it's worth, and I'm sure that's not much....TSN's write up went this way:

NFL comparison: Frank Gore, 49ers

Inside Running: Is surprisingly aggressive and explosive. Hits the hole fast, showing the strength and balance to absorb hits and keep on going. Does not consistantly wrap up the ball.

Outside Running: Is a threat to score when he reaches the open field. Has the explosive burst to bounce outside when the middle is clogged. Explodes through the backside hole.

Blocking: Lacks experience as a lead blocker. Is surprisingly competitive, productive pass blocker who steps up and neutralizes blitzers.

Hands/routes: Has excellent hands, making tough catches look easy. Runs precise routes and shows explosive burst out of cuts.

Durability: Is strong and tough, but runs upright and absorbs tons of hard hits.

Bottom Line: Jones has not received as much attention as teammate Darren McFadden, but is more versatile. With Jones' all-around ability, he will become a top NFL feature back and an elite kickoff return man.

Certainly, none of us has to agree with any of that, and again, I didn't actually see the kid play much, but it explains why some publications like TSN rank him so highly. Again, I'm not calling for his name on draft day, but I do think the guys who soured on him due to 8 bench presses are missing the point.


To me, that reads like Westbrook. However I think Jones is more gifted athletically and thusly is more highly rated coming out of college than Westbrook was. Doesn't mean that will translate into pro-production, but it's not a bad place to start.

[MichaelWinicki]

Ummmm....how in Hades is Jones more versatile than McFadden? Kinda takes any credibility away form that write up, IMO.

Receiving and returning kicks.

[tomson75]

Receiving and returning kicks.

I'll give you returning kicks, but receiving is a push...and McFadden is the better back, and can pass. He's not more versatile IMO.

[MichaelWinicki]

I'll give you returning kicks, but receiving is a push...and McFadden is the better back, and can pass. He's not more versatile IMO.


McFadden (college career) 46 receptions, 365 yards, 7.93 ypc, 2 TD's
Jones (college career) 39 receptions, 383 yards, 9.82 ypc, 3TD's.

Don't know if I would say receiving is a "push".

[tomson75]

McFadden (college career) 46 receptions, 365 yards, 7.93 ypc, 2 TD's
Jones (college career) 39 receptions, 383 yards, 9.82 ypc, 3TD's.

Don't know if I would say receiving is a "push".

I'm guessing your banking on the 1.89 ypc differential? Or is it the 1 touchdown that makes Jones the more adept receiver?

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm guessing your banking on the 1.89 ypc differential? Or is it the 1 touchdown that makes Jones the more adept receiver?

1.89 ypc is a decent amount.

Coming into this collegiate season Mel Kiper called Felix Jones "The most explosive running back in the country"... his words, not mine.

[tomson75]

1.89 ypc is a decent amount.

Coming into this collegiate season Mel Kiper called Felix Jones "The most explosive running back in the country"... his words, not mine.

You're not exactly rocking my world with this argument. :D

...for that matter the 5 additional reception for McFadden should count for something...as does the fact that teams were zeroing in on the guy. Felix probably benefited just a bit from the other guys presence.

...and the day Kiper influences any of m thoughts, I'll stop thinking.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Jones, I'd be cool with taking him in the second somewhere...I just don't buy that he's more versatile than McFadden...or explosive for that matter.

[MichaelWinicki]

You're not exactly rocking my world with this argument. :D

...for that matter the 5 additional reception for McFadden should count for something...as does the fact that teams were zeroing in on the guy. Felix probably benefited just a bit from the other guys presence.

...and the day Kiper influences any of m thoughts, I'll stop thinking.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Jones, I'd be cool with taking him in the second somewhere...I just don't buy that he's more versatile than McFadden...or explosive for that matter.


And who's to say McFadden didn't benefit from having Felix Jones in the backfield?

[tomson75]

And who's to say McFadden didn't benefit from having Felix Jones in the backfield?

This is true...

[DaBoys4Life]

And who's to say McFadden didn't benefit from having Felix Jones in the backfield?

All American Heisman canindate two years in the room .....

yea your bias is showing

[MichaelWinicki]

All American Heisman canindate two years in the room .....

yea your bias is showing



Anyone that has two second round players being chosen by the Cowboys in the first round shouldn't be making remarks.

[tomson75]

ohhhhh......snap!

[Deep_Freeze]

For what it's worth, and I'm sure that's not much....TSN's write up went this way:

NFL comparison: Frank Gore, 49ers

Inside Running: Is surprisingly aggressive and explosive. Hits the hole fast, showing the strength and balance to absorb hits and keep on going. Does not consistantly wrap up the ball.

Outside Running: Is a threat to score when he reaches the open field. Has the explosive burst to bounce outside when the middle is clogged. Explodes through the backside hole.

Blocking: Lacks experience as a lead blocker. Is surprisingly competitive, productive pass blocker who steps up and neutralizes blitzers.

Hands/routes: Has excellent hands, making tough catches look easy. Runs precise routes and shows explosive burst out of cuts.

Durability: Is strong and tough, but runs upright and absorbs tons of hard hits.

Bottom Line: Jones has not received as much attention as teammate Darren McFadden, but is more versatile. With Jones' all-around ability, he will become a top NFL feature back and an elite kickoff return man.

Certainly, none of us has to agree with any of that, and again, I didn't actually see the kid play much, but it explains why some publications like TSN rank him so highly. Again, I'm not calling for his name on draft day, but I do think the guys who soured on him due to 8 bench presses are missing the point.

I saw Felix alot, and TSN might need to go to LensCrafters to get their eyes checked.

Receiving and returning kicks.

And who's to say McFadden didn't benefit from having Felix Jones in the backfield?

Darren also returned kicks, Felix was better at it that though. Both benefited from each other, but watching the games, it was rather obivous who the defense was keying on, Mr. McFadden.

A better comparison is Westbrook for only one reason, Westbrook is a back that can't really carry the ball 30 times a game, so it is tried to be made up by him being a WR. Problem with that is, if you have a back like that as your feature back, its hard to be ultra physical and stomp your opponent into the ground in the fourth quarter. Makes your team too much of a finesse team.

We will be forced to make a decision on Barber soon, and in order to not be held hostage by his demands, we need a back that can handle the load if we can't resign Barber. Felix isn't that back.

[dasander]

While I like Jones, I would rather take a cornerback at 22 instead if Mike Jenkins was available. Leodis McKelvin and DRC won't make it to 22...Mike Jenkins might and I wouldn't be opposed to trading up a few spots to land Mike Jenkins. I think the similarities between Felix Jones, Chris Johnson, and Jamaal Charels are too close to take one of them that early. 28 would work for a runningback if all the good cornerback and wide receiver talent was off the board.

[MichaelWinicki]

While I like Jones, I would rather take a cornerback at 22 instead if Mike Jenkins was available. Leodis McKelvin and DRC won't make it to 22...Mike Jenkins might and I wouldn't be opposed to trading up a few spots to land Mike Jenkins. I think the similarities between Felix Jones, Chris Johnson, and Jamaal Charels are too close to take one of them that early. 28 would work for a runningback if all the good cornerback and wide receiver talent was off the board.

Hey, it wouldn't bother me to take a CB with #22 and then trade right out of the first round. I'm not gung-ho on taking either a RB or a WR in the first round. I don't see a WR worth the #28th pick and I think it's a horrible waste drafting a first round RB with a probowler already on the roster.

[Silverstar]

I wouldn't be disappointed in drafting Jones at 22, as long as we got the best CB available at 28. We need a CB who can start in the slot this year and move outside when necessary. I don't care what Newman says about Alan Ball, but I consider him a downgrade from Reeves and that's scary.

I'd prefer Cason first, but what's wrong with this?

#22 RB Felix Jones
#28 CB Antoine Cason


Then, just draft a speedy WR at #61 like Andre Caldwell, Eddie Royal or Dexter Jackson and there you go.

:)

[TheCount]

I wouldn't be disappointed in drafting Jones at 22, as long as we got the best CB available at 28. We need a CB who can start in the slot this year and move outside when necessary. I don't care what Newman says about Alan Ball, but I consider him a downgrade from Reeves and that's scary.

I'd prefer Cason first, but what's wrong with this?

#22 RB Felix Jones
#28 CB Antoine Cason


Then, just draft a speedy WR at #61 like Andre Caldwell, Eddie Royal or Dexter Jackson and there you go.

:)

You wouldn't be disappointed if we take a backup RB first after all your just said about our secondary?

[ajk23az]

Anyone that has two second round players being chosen by the Cowboys in the first round shouldn't be making remarks.

:laugh2:

That was funny. I dont get some of these guys "mock drafts" either.

Granted I dont have one, but I could do better then he did.

[theogt]

Anyone that has two second round players being chosen by the Cowboys in the first round shouldn't be making remarks.Anyone who thinks that Antoine Cason is a 2nd rounder shouldn't be making remarks.

[DaBoys4Life]

:signmast:


Anyone that has two second round players being chosen by the Cowboys in the first round shouldn't be making remarks.


Ask Devin Hester if All-American KR go in the 1st round. =)

[Hoofbite]

I would be disappointed.

For all the speed hes supposed to have, he didn't even run that great. Hes supposed to be a speed back and he doesn't have great speed. I don't know what it is but I just don't get too hyped when I think about him. I think there are some equally good complements that can be had later.

I guess I could live with it. He only has to be better then Julius Jones so its not asking a whole lot.

I'd rather take the retard from Texas in the 2nd round then take Felix in the 1st.

[Hoofbite]

:signmast:



Ask Devin Hester if All-American KR go in the 1st round. =)

While I don't think that Cason could return like Hester, Cason could damn sure play CB which is something that Hester can't.

I wouldn't be sad with Cason in the 1st.

[MichaelWinicki]

Anyone who thinks that Antoine Cason is a 2nd rounder shouldn't be making remarks.

Cason has more of a chance to be a 1st rounder than Johnson... but even as it stands right now Cason isn't a lock to be an automatic "first rounder" like several other of the corners are.

[AmishCowboy]

I'm fine at #28 with Jones.

[jobberone]

running better than 2 to 1 theogt. Nice poll.

We need CBs more than RBs. And we need a WR. Hopefully that gets filled with a FA. I'd say that runs 10 to 1. We'll find a RB in the second or later. We need some CBs and some safeties.

[DaBoys4Life]

While I don't think that Cason could return like Hester, Cason could damn sure play CB which is something that Hester can't.

I wouldn't be sad with Cason in the 1st.

I was talking about CJ when i was said All-American KR.

[Hoofbite]

I was talking about CJ when i was said All-American KR.

I missed it, my bad.

[TheCount]

:signmast:





Ask Devin Hester if All-American KR go in the 1st round. =)

I'm really starting to think you know nothing about football, either that or you're just too lazy to check facts before making a statement.

Devin was taken in the 2nd round, not the 1st.

[Chuck 54]

While I'd like to see CB and WR in round 1 and a backup RB in round 2, I'll play devil's advocate one more time.

Felix Jones earned enough playing time and carries to build the reputation as the 3rd or 4th best running back in the draft, and he did it while playing behind supposedly a superblue chipper who may be the best player in the entire draft, a guy many would want us to select if we had the #1 overall pick.

Now, that's fairly impressive...not in McFadden's league, but impressive for a guy we're considering taking at the bottom of round 1.

It's all conjecture, but consider what Felix Jones's stats and status might be today if McFadden had attended a different school.

With the numbers he may have put up, would we then consider taking him with the #22 or #28 pick? A guy with that ability and somewhat fresh legs...interesting unless a higher rated CB is still on the board when we go on the clock.

[MichaelWinicki]

Anyone who thinks that Antoine Cason is a 2nd rounder shouldn't be making remarks.

Kiper has Cason going to Dallas allright...

But it's with the 61st pick of the draft.

I do believe that's the second round.

Yes, you can consider yourself schooled. :D

[dbair1967]

Anyone who thinks that Antoine Cason is a 2nd rounder shouldn't be making remarks.

He's probably gonna be a 2nd rounder

Sorry, but its gonna happen

David

[dbair1967]

Kiper has Cason going to Dallas allright...

But it's with the 61st pick of the draft.

I do believe that's the second round.

Yes, you can consider yourself schooled. :D

Lots of people have him rated there...Some people just cant accept it though

PFW had him rated as a middle of the pack kinda CB when their magazine came out, the draft guide bumped him up some, though nowhere near the first rd

David

[theogt]

He's probably gonna be a 2nd rounder

Sorry, but its gonna happen

DavidIf he's on the board at 30, he's going to the Packers.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cason, Flowers, Charles and CJ are all low 1st high second level values. I doubt either one is on many teams's top 20 on their draft board. I dont think Felix Jones is either. There are only two top 20 RBs and 2, maybe 3 CB's. Jenkins and Talib have too many questions surrounding them.

Unless we get someone to drop to 22 then i would like to see us trade out or use it to get Boldin or 85. and then get the best of the second tier guys. where were stiing i dont think that there is that much of a difference in talent from the 28 to 40 considering the players that we are targeting.

[stasheroo]

Lots of people have him rated there...Some people just cant accept it though

PFW had him rated as a middle of the pack kinda CB when their magazine came out, the draft guide bumped him up some, though nowhere near the first rd

David

I'm one.

I can't bear the thought of passing on a guy like Cason -who I feel is starting cornerback material - for a frickin' part-time, complimentary running back like Felix Jones.

The thought makes me ill.

[AsthmaField]

I voted that I would be dissapointed at 22. It really has little to do with Felix and more to do with the 22 spot. He can be had later and so it would be reaching.

That doesn't mean that he won't be a good player or that I wouldn't like him on the team.

IOW, he could be a pro bowler next year but taking him at 22 in this draft would still have been a reach.

[jimmy40]

I'm all for a Texas draft this year. I would take three UT players if we could do it. Sweed, Charles, and Okam should find there way onto our team. Don't think that we can get Sweed though.I bet Dallas puked on his keyboard when he read that.

[Silverstar]

You wouldn't be disappointed if we take a backup RB first after all your just said about our secondary?


I wouldn't be disappointed if we took Felix Jones first.

Jones will be more than a backup RB....get it?

[TheCount]

I wouldn't be disappointed if we took Felix Jones first.

Jones will be more than a backup RB....get it?

Is he going to play corner too?

Because imagine we pass on a CB to take Felix, and that CB ends up being the next Antonio Cromartie. You want to go through that twice? The elite CB depth in this draft is a lot smaller than the backup RB/special teams RB depth.

[Silverstar]

Is he going to play corner too?

Because imagine we pass on a CB to take Felix, and that CB ends up being the next Antonio Cromartie. You want to go through that twice? The elite CB depth in this draft is a lot smaller than the backup RB/special teams RB depth.

What do you care if we pass on a CB anyway...isn't Pacman going to save the day?

If you're soooo concerned about missing a potential elite CB at #22, then why do you have Jonathan Stewart (backup RB?) there and then James Hardy next...ahead of Tracy Porter in your mock?

What does Stewart bring to the table that MBIII doesn't anyway?

Injuries?


Will Hardy (a rookie WR) be able to move the chains more, put the offense in better field position or score more TD's than Jones (a rookie RB/KR)?

Since Hardy can't return kicks and WR's take longer to develop...the answer is a resounding NO.


Your mock contradicts the point you're making about drafting CB's. If you feel that strongly about taking a CB in the 1st (LIKE I DO) you might wanna change your mock.

[Sarge]

I can live with him in the 2nd, NO WAY in the first, either pick...

[MichaelWinicki]

I can live with him in the 2nd, NO WAY in the first, either pick...

Well Sarge, Felix Jones won't be there in the second round.

Ourlads has him as the 4th best back and Kiper has him the 3rd best back.

Felix Jones will be chosen in the 1st round.

[TheCount]

What do you care if we pass on a CB anyway...isn't Pacman going to save the day?

If you're soooo concerned about missing a potential elite CB at #22, then why do you have Jonathan Stewart (backup RB?) there and then James Hardy next...ahead of Tracy Porter in your mock?

What does Stewart bring to the table that MBIII doesn't anyway?

Injuries?


Will Hardy (a rookie WR) be able to move the chains more, put the offense in better field position or score more TD's than Jones (a rookie RB/KR)?

Since Hardy can't return kicks and WR's take longer to develop...the answer is a resounding NO.


Your mock contradicts the point you're making about drafting CB's. If you feel that strongly about taking a CB in the 1st (LIKE I DO) you might wanna change your mock.

Do as I say, not as I do? ;)

Actually, I'm indeed planning to update my draft at the end of the week. I was expecting the Pacman deal to be through by now, so I knew what pick we were giving up. I'm about ready to give up on Johnathan Stewart in the first, since unlike most, I have full confidence in Barber's abilities to carry the load.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lots of people have him rated there...Some people just cant accept it though

PFW had him rated as a middle of the pack kinda CB when their magazine came out, the draft guide bumped him up some, though nowhere near the first rd

David


To me, the problem with Cason is that once you get passed the top three CBs, your choice is Talib or Cason if you want one. Talib represents a risk because of his past history. To me, that pushes Cason up the board. If you want a CB, you gotta get one in the 1st or early in the 2nd IMO. I high to mid second is about right for Cason but I don't know if he will make it to 61. I look at every team in the NFL and all of them can use a smart DB with skills. Every one of them. It's hard to invision him lasting but I hope he does.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well Sarge, Felix Jones won't be there in the second round.

Ourlads has him as the 4th best back and Kiper has him the 3rd best back.

Felix Jones will be chosen in the 1st round.

Actually Mike, I don't know that he will be. Backs almost always slip. I don't know that there are 3 to 4 teams that need a back enough to spend a 1st round pick on them. I think he will be there in the 2nd. JMO

[big dog cowboy]

JMO, but neither F. Jones or A. Cason will be there at 61. :D

[tyke1doe]

I hope Felix Jones doesn't visit this board, or read this thread. :o:

[Chocolate Lab]

I've bashed Gosselin a billion times and will a billion more, but he's usually at least in the ballpark on the draft, even two weeks before. He seems to think Felix would be a good pick at #22.

http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/cowboys_gen/index.html?nvid=236267&shu=1