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gollum
04-14-2008, 03:47 PM
If CB and WR are addressed in round 2 and McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart are all off the board by pick #61, which one of the following would you select assuming all were available(and you had to go RB):
Chris Johnson, East Carolina
Felix Jones, Arkansas
Jamaal Charles, Texas
Kevin Smith, Central Florida
Ray Rice, Rutgers
Steve Slaton, West Virginia
Matt Forte, Tulane
Other (who?)
I'd take Charles because I think he's got the speed, wiggle, power and durability...the fumbling can be corrected.
Hostile
04-14-2008, 03:48 PM
I could be happy with any of Rice, Jones, Charles, or Johnson.
I could be happy with Slaton, Forte or Smith if it was round 3.
FuzzyLumpkins
04-14-2008, 03:48 PM
I could be happy with any of Rice, Jones, Charles, or Johnson.
I could be happy with Slaton, Forte or Smith if it was round 3.
/signed.
TheCount
04-14-2008, 03:49 PM
I could be happy with any of Rice, Jones, Charles, or Johnson.
I could be happy with Slaton, Forte or Smith if it was round 3.
Ditto.
HoosierCowboy
04-14-2008, 03:49 PM
I agree with Hostile--I'd try Slaton in round 6 is available.
theogt
04-14-2008, 03:50 PM
Rice, Choice, and Forte are the only ones I like at our 2nd round pick. But Rice won't be available.
DaBoys4Life
04-14-2008, 03:53 PM
Johnson Charles and Slaton. Then later on in the Draft i also like Alridge
tomson75
04-14-2008, 04:00 PM
I could be happy with any of Rice, Jones, Charles, or Johnson.
I could be happy with Slaton, Forte or Smith if it was round 3.
That's pretty much spot on. Prefer Rice above the others though.
Mansta54
04-14-2008, 04:04 PM
Rice!!!
Aven8
04-14-2008, 04:07 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why everyone is so enamored with Charles for? One decent year. I guess we have a lot of UT fans here. Slaton is way better than this dude.
DFWJC
04-14-2008, 04:08 PM
I could be happy with any of Rice, Jones, Charles, or Johnson.
I could be happy with Slaton, Forte or Smith if it was round 3.
ditto for Rd2
Forte and Smith in Rd3
Slaton or maybe C washington in Rd 5
DFWJC
04-14-2008, 04:11 PM
Rice, Choice, and Forte are the only ones I like at our 2nd round pick. But Rice won't be available.
Forgot about Choice...he will go in Rd 4 or 5 ;)
Rice will be there in Rd 2.
Forte is a wildcard depending on the team drafting. The kid can play, but I'm thinking Rd3.
Mansta54
04-14-2008, 04:13 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why everyone is so enamored with Charles for? One decent year. I guess we have a lot of UT fans here. Slaton is way better than this dude.
Slaton is so soft and stays hurt.. His stock dropped off in a big way. Even WVU fans were down on him...
gollum
04-14-2008, 04:14 PM
Slaton is so soft and stays hurt.. His stock dropped off in a big way. Even WVU fans were down on him...
at first I read "went" and I was :eek:
:lmao:
TheCount
04-14-2008, 04:15 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why everyone is so enamored with Charles for? One decent year. I guess we have a lot of UT fans here. Slaton is way better than this dude.
When you start off a post like that, no you're not wondering, you're instigating.
tomson75
04-14-2008, 04:15 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why everyone is so enamored with Charles for? One decent year. I guess we have a lot of UT fans here. Slaton is way better than this dude.
Bigger - Check
Faster - Check
Smarter - Just kidding
I've watched a ton of WVU football, and I like Slaton, but he doesn't project nearly as well to the NFL as Charles. Slaton is a late third, early fourth rounder at best IMO.
diehard2294
04-14-2008, 04:16 PM
Rice/Charles/Johnson in order
Aven8
04-14-2008, 04:19 PM
Slaton is so soft and stays hurt.. His stock dropped off in a big way. Even WVU fans were down on him...
So we get him in the 3rd or 4th round. And, WVU fans are down on everybody right now, except OU!
I can see Slaton in the slot catching quick slants, and spreading him out. Remember people we have a fully capable starter in MBIII. We need receivers, db's, and more pass rushers!
AsthmaField
04-14-2008, 04:19 PM
I'd be fine with R. Rice, K. Smith, C. Johnson or F. Jones in round 2.
We might would have to move up into the first half of round 2 in order to get the one we really want, and I'd be fine with that.
DR.WARE
04-14-2008, 04:21 PM
i would be happy with all of them except felix and slaton
jterrell
04-14-2008, 04:32 PM
I think there is tons of value here in round 2.
I'd prefer Felix Jones of those listed because I think he serves the best use for Dallas as a every 3rd series guy.
I think we "assume" Dallas wants a 3rd down back and I find that very hard to believe. Barber is excellent on 3rd downs as a rusher and blocker as well as screen guy.
I suspect we want a guy who can run a series without too much drop off. So the guy needs to be able to emulate Barber to some extent as opposed to merely providing a burst.
I might be tempted to take Felix Jones at 28 if we do not trade that pick and then select say CJ or Jamaal Charles at the bottom of round 2 as the specialist guy and speed back.
Normally that's crazy but I like our OL depth already and this is a pathetic Wr class imho.
Fletch
04-14-2008, 04:35 PM
Ray Freakin Rice!!!
AsthmaField
04-14-2008, 04:42 PM
Ray Freakin Rice!!!
That's my main choice for round 2... but there's no way he'll be there at our pick. We'd have to move up significantly to get him. Jerry has talked about "bundeling", so perhaps he will move up in the second to get Rice.
Sarge
04-14-2008, 04:45 PM
I agree with Hostile--I'd try Slaton in round 6 is available.
Ya, good luck with that.
AmishCowboy
04-14-2008, 04:55 PM
If CB and WR are addressed in round 2 and McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart are all off the board by pick #61, which one of the following would you select assuming all were available(and you had to go RB):
Chris Johnson, East Carolina
Felix Jones, Arkansas
Jamaal Charles, Texas
Kevin Smith, Central Florida
Ray Rice, Rutgers
Steve Slaton, West Virginia
Matt Forte, Tulane
Other (who?)
I'd take Charles because I think he's got the speed, wiggle, power and durability...the fumbling can be corrected. Smith would be my First Choice, He's a better pass catcher then my second choice, Ray Rice. A Sleeper could Be Tashard Choice from Geogia Tech who I believed the Cowboys spoke to.
CATCH17
04-14-2008, 04:56 PM
Ray Rice and its not even close.
Chris Johnson has a lot of talent and could end up being amazing if he is coached up.
adamknite
04-14-2008, 04:57 PM
Charles, or Chris Johnson I think would be two good choices.
BHendri5
04-14-2008, 04:59 PM
Rice, only Rice. But if he is gone Choice, Jones, or Forsett
DFWJC
04-14-2008, 05:05 PM
I might be tempted to take Felix Jones at 28 if we do not trade that pick and then select say CJ or Jamaal Charles at the bottom of round 2 as the specialist guy and speed back.
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I guess I lump Felix, CJ, and Charles together with prefernce on order depending on who is ranking them. I think any of the 3 could take a series from MB3 without drop-off once they have acclimated to the NFL. The question for me is whether they could take an entire game---and like most here, I agree that they would not draft them expecting that.
DBoys
04-14-2008, 05:11 PM
Rice for sure
MichaelWinicki
04-14-2008, 05:15 PM
Felix won't be there in the second round.
gollum
04-14-2008, 05:22 PM
Felix won't be there in the second round.
I'm assuming you mean the end of round 2...I'm sure several of them won't be there
DBoys
04-14-2008, 05:25 PM
I'm assuming you mean the end of round 2...I'm sure several of them won't be there
I think he will fall into the second round as well.
MCowboys
04-14-2008, 05:52 PM
Smith would be my First Choice, He's a better pass catcher then my second choice, Ray Rice. A Sleeper could Be Tashard Choice from Geogia Tech who I believed the Cowboys spoke to.
That's my top 3. I think I'd have Rice ahead of Kevin Smith, but other than that I agree.
MichaelWinicki
04-14-2008, 06:00 PM
Felix will be gone by the end of round 1.
Shady12
04-14-2008, 06:07 PM
My top 3 of that list would be Charles, Rice, and Forte.
For the one who asked about Charles. Well, he had more than just one decent year. He had 3 good years, with his last being outstanding for the most part.
Chocolate Lab
04-14-2008, 06:11 PM
I like Forte of the guys who will probably be there... Though he's probably more like a 3rd round guy.
jobberone
04-14-2008, 06:27 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why everyone is so enamored with Charles for? One decent year. I guess we have a lot of UT fans here. Slaton is way better than this dude.
Me, too. And a lot of other teams but you can't ignore his speed.
jobberone
04-14-2008, 08:32 PM
I think there is tons of value here in round 2.
I'd prefer Felix Jones of those listed because I think he serves the best use for Dallas as a every 3rd series guy.
I think we "assume" Dallas wants a 3rd down back and I find that very hard to believe. Barber is excellent on 3rd downs as a rusher and blocker as well as screen guy.
I suspect we want a guy who can run a series without too much drop off. So the guy needs to be able to emulate Barber to some extent as opposed to merely providing a burst.
I might be tempted to take Felix Jones at 28 if we do not trade that pick and then select say CJ or Jamaal Charles at the bottom of round 2 as the specialist guy and speed back.
Normally that's crazy but I like our OL depth already and this is a pathetic Wr class imho.
I agree JT. Jones is going to be able to shoulder more of the load than people think. I see him doing what Bush did. McAlister got his but so did Bush. Ditto MB and Jones. I don't see a lot of difference in Johnson and Jones. I think Jones may be better is space but Johnson is good as well maybe not as dramatically. I think Johnson may be more of a complete back. Either one will do fine. And I wouldn't mind having both. In fact I'd love it. But they need to take a chance on a WR despite the fact this is a seemingly pitiful WR bunch with none being a sure fire first round pick.
ABQcowboyJR
04-14-2008, 08:35 PM
Charles is my favorite RB in the draft at this point. I feel like the cost on him is fairly low. He could be a first round back but since this draft is so deep he could be a steal. He is the one that I want.
ABQcowboyJR
04-14-2008, 08:42 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why everyone is so enamored with Charles for? One decent year. I guess we have a lot of UT fans here. Slaton is way better than this dude.
When you look at his physical skills they speak for themselves. He really does have it all. I watched a lot of him and saw his speed a quickness destroy defenses.
ABQCOWBOY
04-15-2008, 10:13 AM
Hard to say because you don't really know who will slip to the 2nd.
I'd love to see Mendanhall Slip but I don't know that he will.
I think there is a chance that Stewart might because of the injury. If that happens, then it would be like this.
Stewart
Rice
Charles
Jones
Forte
Slaton Nobody gives this guy much due but who ever drafts him, there going to get a real good football player who can step in and contribute immediatly. This guy can play football and he has no Ego issues. Your going to get a player that will play Special Teams if that's what you want him to do. He will be a gunner, if that's what you want him to do. He will field kicks or try to block punts if that is what you ask him to do. I'm telling you guys, this is going to be a valuable player for somebody. On third down, he's going to make plays for you.
JerryFan
04-15-2008, 10:31 AM
I could be happy with any of Rice, Jones, Charles, or Johnson.
I could be happy with Slaton, Forte or Smith if it was round 3.
I like this idea also. I'd love Slaton in the 3rd.
ABQCOWBOY
04-15-2008, 10:52 AM
So we get him in the 3rd or 4th round. And, WVU fans are down on everybody right now, except OU!
I can see Slaton in the slot catching quick slants, and spreading him out. Remember people we have a fully capable starter in MBIII. We need receivers, db's, and more pass rushers!
When I watch Slaton, I see Priest Holmes in KC or maybe James Brooks is a better example.
austintodallas
04-15-2008, 10:56 AM
Jamaal Charles
BraveHeartFan
04-15-2008, 11:16 AM
Out of that club...probably Ray Rice. I just really like that kid.
alancdc
04-15-2008, 11:43 AM
Rice, Choice, and Forte are the only ones I like at our 2nd round pick. But Rice won't be available.
Does this mean that you wouldn't take Felix Jones in the 2nd, or do you think he will be gone already? Just curious?
Sandman
04-15-2008, 11:50 AM
Ray Rice if we can't get Stewart!
DFWJC
04-15-2008, 12:00 PM
Rice, Choice, and Forte are the only ones I like at our 2nd round pick. But Rice won't be available.
Rice won't be available in the 2nd round period or not at 61? I think he's there till mid Rd2.
theogt
04-15-2008, 12:09 PM
Does this mean that you wouldn't take Felix Jones in the 2nd, or do you think he will be gone already? Just curious?I would take Choice, Forte, and Rice over Jones, yes.
Rice won't be available in the 2nd round period or not at 61? I think he's there till mid Rd2.There's no one in the late 1st other than us that's likely looking for a RB, so yeah he'll probably go in round 2.
ABQCOWBOY
04-15-2008, 12:15 PM
Just as an FYI, Forte may project to FB.
His playing weight this year was right at 220 or so. If he can carry a bit more weight, I think he could be a heck of a FB or Hback. He can catch, he can block, he's a good runner. Not fast but pretty quick. A great 3rd down prospect but if he can get just a little bigger, I think a great FB prospect for our team. He'll never be a crushing lead blocker but he could be a decent lead blocker with skills to get out in patterns and create miss matches on the LBs and safeties. Real smart kid with lots of heart. He's an interesting player. As a running back, he probably fits better in a scheme like Denver's. He's a good cut back runner.
theogt
04-15-2008, 12:24 PM
Just as an FYI, Forte may project to FB.
His playing weight this year was right at 220 or so. If he can carry a bit more weight, I think he could be a heck of a FB or Hback. He can catch, he can block, he's a good runner. Not fast but pretty quick. A great 3rd down prospect but if he can get just a little bigger, I think a great FB prospect for our team. He'll never be a crushing lead blocker but he could be a decent lead blocker with skills to get out in patterns and create miss matches on the LBs and safeties. Real smart kid with lots of heart. He's an interesting player. As a running back, he probably fits better in a scheme like Denver's. He's a good cut back runner.Hmmm...I don't really agree with much of this. Forte is too good a runner to be a FB. It's hard to say whether he'd be a decent lead blocker because he didn't do much of it in college. The only argument for this is his size, which really isn't ideal for a FB (tall and slinder).
And the Denver scheme? I don't get that at all. That seems to be an oxymoron -- may be both a FB in the NFL or good for the Denver scheme?
ABQCOWBOY
04-15-2008, 12:43 PM
Hmmm...I don't really agree with much of this. Forte is too good a runner to be a FB. It's hard to say whether he'd be a decent lead blocker because he didn't do much of it in college. The only argument for this is his size, which really isn't ideal for a FB (tall and slinder).
And the Denver scheme? I don't get that at all. That seems to be an oxymoron -- may be both a FB in the NFL or good for the Denver scheme?
I think he would be a good lead blocker because he can block well in space. In the drills at the combine, it was mentioned that he excelled at getting out on LBs. He's always been a pretty good cut blocker but he would have to learn to develop his techniques a bit more. He's a good runner at the college level, no question. However, I don't know that he will be a good runner at the pro level. He's not fast and he doesn't have a second gear to explode through the hole. He's a guy who really builds speed as he goes and then looks for the cut back lanes. I mean, in the right system, he could be a good RB, perhaps. In a system like Denvers, where they use a zone blocking scheme, he might be a good RB. I don't think he fits a scheme like ours nearly as well because his forte (no pun intended) is not hitting the hole and running to daylight. To be honest, he does remind me a lot of Skip Hicks at UCLA in his running style.
He is very strong in his lower body. He has that V but I would not call him tall and slender, per say. He's a very strong lower body player. For us, because we don't use the traditional crushing FB in our offense, he might work very nicely. Garrett looks for guys who can run the ball a little bit and create mismatches in the passing game from his FBs. This Forte can do. I do think he translates well to FB in our offense, if he can get a little bit bigger. At least, that's my opinion but I'm not alone. Other teams are looking at him as a possible FB or HBack as well.
jterrell
04-15-2008, 01:36 PM
I guess I lump Felix, CJ, and Charles together with prefernce on order depending on who is ranking them. I think any of the 3 could take a series from MB3 without drop-off once they have acclimated to the NFL. The question for me is whether they could take an entire game---and like most here, I agree that they would not draft them expecting that.
I think Felix could take a game and at some point one of these guys may have to.
That's why as I suggested it may even make sense to draft a Felix, Ray Rice or Kevin Smith as the 2nd RB and then take a CJ or Jamaal Charles as the slot back /kickoff return guy.
We really could use both on the roster.
A lot of guys like CJ and Jamaal Charles but I do not want those guys blocking for Tony Romo on third downs. Youtube clips of Romo being bent over would be a far cry from showing some back in the open field.
ctrous25
04-15-2008, 01:47 PM
Chris Johnson and if not available ray rice
ABQCOWBOY
04-15-2008, 02:25 PM
I really like Rice, as I'm sure is clear. I believe that Stewart can be a franchise back and possibly, over time, become better then Barber. He may be from a spread offense but he can play football. If Mendenhall fell to us, I would seriously have to consider picking him high. I think he's going to be very good. However, I also think that he needs to share carries because he takes punishment.
There are several backs that I like a lot in this draft. Heck, I would not mind drafting a guy like Slaton in the 4th and trying to sign, or draft late, a RB like Jalene Parmele or Hilliard. I just think that for out needs, we can afford to target with skills that fit what we are looking for and maybe move up a little bit to get him. Honestly, Barber is a really great back IMO. I was rewatching him this weekend and he really is a excellent back. He does a lot of little things that you just don't pay attention to when he's running the ball that makes him very good.
If we can figure out how to get another WR to stretch the field out a little bit more, he can be even more succesful then he was last year IMO. We have a franchise back. We just need to get somebody who can be productive with maybe 150 carries between the back up and the 3rd down back.
Canada180
04-15-2008, 03:08 PM
I'll have some Rice with that.
Thanks.
Chief
04-15-2008, 04:50 PM
For me, it's a tough call between Rice and Jones out of that group.
A sleeper later on would be Kevin Smith.
Eskimo
04-15-2008, 05:43 PM
I like Charles and Rice. I would be inclined to move back a bit with pick #28 and hopefully gain a 3rd in the process and then pick who is on the board there.
Chocolate Lab
04-15-2008, 06:34 PM
I like Charles and Rice. I would be inclined to move back a bit with pick #28 and hopefully gain a 3rd in the process and then pick who is on the board there.
I would absolutely love for us to do this. IMO this draft is pretty weak at the top, but there are a lot of very intriguing mid-round prospects who will turn out to be good players.
jobberone
04-15-2008, 06:44 PM
For me, it's a tough call between Rice and Jones out of that group.
A sleeper later on would be Kevin Smith.
If we didn't get a RB in the first three rounds I take a flier on him in the 4th. But I much prefer others and I think a better back will be available in the first three rounds.
JonJon
04-15-2008, 07:21 PM
Round 2
Felix Jones
Chris Johnson
Ray RiceRound 3
Jamaal Charles
Kevin Smith
Matt ForteRound 4
Tashard Choice
Steve SlaytonRound 5
Mike Hart
Allen Patrick
Chauncey Washington
Jalen ParmeleRound 6
Cory Boyd
Thomas Brown
Tim Hightower
Eskimo
04-15-2008, 08:49 PM
I would absolutely love for us to do this. IMO this draft is pretty weak at the top, but there are a lot of very intriguing mid-round prospects who will turn out to be good players.
I naturally agree with you here - there is a whole glut of similarly valued RBs on the board at this stage that it makes sense to move back unless we have "fallen in love" with one of them.
We could add some extra depth with the pick in the 3rd - with us being up against the cap getting productive starters in 2nd-4th rounds is very important for cap management purposes.
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