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Hostile
04-16-2008, 03:03 PM
Obama is going to win an extremely tight vote that is virtually 50-50 right down the middle. Maybe be just over 1000 votes. It will be an upset.

Hillary is going to demand recount after recount after recount and refuse to accept the loss. Florida will offer to help if their votes are counted too.

An ugly campaign will get uglier.

Dallas
04-16-2008, 03:35 PM
Obama is going to win an extremely tight vote that is virtually 50-50 right down the middle. Maybe be just over 1000 votes. It will be an upset.

Hillary is going to demand recount after recount after recount and refuse to accept the loss. Florida will offer to help if their votes are counted too.

An ugly campaign will get uglier.

I still think Hill pulls it out. She still has him by 6 pts atm. Nothing has changed. We shall see.

Doomsday101
04-16-2008, 04:15 PM
I still think Hill pulls it out. She still has him by 6 pts atm. Nothing has changed. We shall see.

I agree I think Hill takes it by a narrow margin and lives to fight another day

WiPatfan
04-17-2008, 03:18 PM
Hillary wins 54-46, loses 40-60 in NC and 47-53 in IN. WV serves up a 61-39 victory for Clinton. OR goes 62-38 for Obama, while KY gives Hillary a 55-45 win...blah, blah, blah.

End result: Obama wins the nomination, regardless.

No chance in hell that Obama wins PA -- none. The internals are scary; too many "low information" voters (read: "dumb as rocks" voters,) which means that they can be fooled into thinking Clinton still has a chance to win the nomination.

McCain versus Obama will be epic.

theogt
04-17-2008, 04:33 PM
Rasmussen has Hillary leading Penn 50 to 41. (http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary)

BigWillie
04-17-2008, 06:35 PM
Here is a more wide idea of what the pollsters think ..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html

After last night, I do have to say I would be willing to put a few dollars on Obama pulling the upset in this state.

Once an undecided voter, Obama earned my respect for how he handled himself against attacks last night. More so, he earned my respect when his turn finally came to throw a hook back at HRC after continued jabs by her all night, Obama passed. Instead, he cited that we all will make mistakes when a camera or microphone is in front of our face 24/7, they are bound to make mistakes. That was in response to HRC comments about Bosnia.

In a debate (should we even consider it that?) where it was more about getting a tabloid-esque story, Obama didn't want to play ball. While one candidate decided to play along, Obama still declined.

Maybe he is a bit naive in not going along with the political nature of todays society, but it at least earned him one vote last night.

hank2k
04-17-2008, 07:13 PM
Here is a more wide idea of what the pollsters think ..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html

After last night, I do have to say I would be willing to put a few dollars on Obama pulling the upset in this state.

Once an undecided voter, Obama earned my respect for how he handled himself against attacks last night. More so, he earned my respect when his turn finally came to throw a hook back at HRC after continued jabs by her all night, Obama passed. Instead, he cited that we all will make mistakes when a camera or microphone is in front of our face 24/7, they are bound to make mistakes. That was in response to HRC comments about Bosnia.

In a debate (should we even consider it that?) where it was more about getting a tabloid-esque story, Obama didn't want to play ball. While one candidate decided to play along, Obama still declined.

Maybe he is a bit naive in not going along with the political nature of todays society, but it at least earned him one vote last night.



I agree completely. It was a class move.

It won him my vote as well.

WiPatfan
04-18-2008, 10:01 AM
Here is a more wide idea of what the pollsters think ..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html

After last night, I do have to say I would be willing to put a few dollars on Obama pulling the upset in this state.




I would love to see Hillary go down in a flaming ball of greasy fire that scorches her body and mind for a thousand years, but I find a PA upset most unlikely. The "motivated" Hillary voters (i.e. "low information" older white women) will claw their way to the ballot box in greater numbers than the "motivated" Obama voters (i.e. the lower proportion PA high education & AA.)

I sure as *^&% would love to see the upset, though.

My guess is that polls will show him closing to three or four on Tuesday, but he will lose by eight or ten.