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Jordan55
04-21-2008, 06:50 AM
Could we be seeing a turning point in Iraq?
As has been told by the national news media, Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sadr threatens new uprising; Iraqi and US forces press attack
By Bill RoggioApril 20, 2008 7:41 PM

The battle between the Mahdi Army and Iraqi and US forces intensified over the weekend. As the Iraqi Army took control of a Mahdi Army stronghold in Basrah, Muqtada al Sadr, the leader of the Mahdi Army, threatened to end the self-imposed cease-fire. Iraqi security forces have also stepped up efforts against the Mahdi Army in the center-south region of Iraq, and captured more than 40 of the Iranian-backed Special Groups, a Mahdi Army splinter group.

Sadr threatened to end the cease-fire after Iraqi troops took over the Mahdi Army-dominated neighborhood of Hayaniyah in Basrah and ejected the Sadrist political party from government-owned offices in the city. He openly said he was prepared to revolt against the government.

"Do you want a third uprising?” Sadr said, referring to the two Mahdi Army uprisings in Baghdad, Najaf, and the South in April and August 2006. "So I direct my last warning and speech to the Iraqi government to refrain and to take the path of peace and abandon violence against its people. If the government does not refrain and leash the militias that have penetrated it, we will announce an open war until liberation."

The Iraqi government brushed off Sadr's comments and continued to maintain that the Mahdi Army must disarm while saying the Mahdi Army and the Sadrist movement was not a target. "The state can not withstand the existence of two armies," government spokesman Ali al Dabbagh said. Dabbagh also noted the government is not negotiating with the Sadrist movement. “We don’t have direct negotiations or contacts with the Sadr’s movement because we have nothing to negotiate with them but also we don’t have problems with the political factions,” he said.

The US military and government responded forcefully to Sadr's threat to end the ceasefire. "If Sadr and Jaish al-Mahdi (Mahdi Army) become very aggressive, we've got enough combat power to take the fight to the enemy," Major General Rick Lynch, the commander of US forces in Karbala, Najaf, Babil, Wasit, and southern Baghdad provinces told the US media.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza, who is currently visiting Iraq, taunted Sadr by implying he was hiding in Iran while ordering his fighters to oppose their government. "I know he's sitting in Iran," Rice said. "I guess its all-out war for anybody but him. I guess that's the message; his followers can go to their deaths and he's in Iran."

The cease-fire is all but over

The Mahdi Army cease-fire is all but dead, as the Mahdi Army has openly resisted the Iraqi government's attempts to assert control in Sadrist strongholds in Baghdad, Basrah, and the South. Sadr admitted his political movement issued orders to attack both US and Iraqi troops and has called for Iraqi soldiers and police to desert their units.

Sadr's forces have continued to attack Iraqi government forces despite a cease-fire. An incident on April 19 south of Nasariyah backfired on the Mahdi Army as 40 fighters were captured, including two leaders, after attempting to ambush Iraqi forces in Suq Ash Shuyukh. The Iraqi security forces responded by sending a joint force of soldiers, police, and special police to battle the Mahdi Army force.

The Mahdi Army forces "retreated to building that contained the local Sadr Trend office" after "facing a combination of armored vehicles and suppressive fire," Multinational Forces Iraq reported in a press release. Iraqi forces cleared the building and discovered a large weapons cache that included "explosively formed penetrators, Katyusha rockets, rocket propelled grenade launchers and a large quantity of additional weapons and ammunition." Iran has supplied explosively formed penetrators to the Mahdi Army and the Special Groups.

A local police chief said 39 Mahdi Army fighters were captured, while 22 people, including two policemen, were killed, while another 19 police were wounded during the fighting. Multinational Forces Iraq said 40 "criminals" were captured and 12 Iraqi soldiers were wounded.

US and Iraqi troops have been active in Baghdad and Sadr City as well. US soldiers killed 22 "criminals" and captured six during a series of engagements in Baghdad over the last 24 hours. On April 19, aerial weapons teams killed seven Mahdi Army fighters in Sadr City as they transported weapons and attacked US and Iraqi forces.

US troops killed 20 Mahdi Army fighters today during a series of engagements in the Adhamiyah, East Rashid, and Kadamiyah districts in Baghdad. Coalition special forces captured a "suspected Iranian-trained Special Groups commander" and three lieutenants and killed three others during a targeted raid in Kadamiyah. US soldiers killed 12 Mahdi Army fighters as they planted roadside bombs and attacked US forces in Adhamiyah and East Rashid. Another five Mahdi fighters were killed and two wounded by air weapons teams late in the afternoon on Sunday.

In Basrah, Iraqi troops conducted a cordon-and-search operation in the Al Kaziza region north of the city. Iraqi troops " captured a number of wanted men" and seized heavy and medium weapons during the operation.

In Karbala, Iraqi troops also found a weapons factory with a large weapons cache containing "80 IEDs, 130 detonation devices and 60 kg of TNT." Karbala police also captured an eight-man cell, including the cell leader. Police "confiscated their documents that include names of politicians and religious clergies' representatives in Karbala, aiming at eliminating and assassinating them."

Background on the fighting between the Mahdi Army and the Iraqi government

Mahdi Army forces rose up after the Iraqi government started the assault on Basrah on March 25 to clear the city of the Mahdi Army and other Iranian-backed Shia militias. Sadr called for his forces to leave the streets on March 30 just as Iraqi Army and police reinforcements began to arrive in Basrah. Sadr later admitted he ordered his followers within the Army and police to abandon their posts and join the fighting against the government.

US and Iraqi forces killed 173 Mahdi Army fighters in Baghdad alone during the six days of fighting from March 25-30. The fighting has not abated in Sadr City and other Mahdi Army-dominated neighborhoods in northern and eastern Baghdad.

Sadr and his political movement have become increasingly isolated since the fighting began in Basrah, Baghdad, and the South. The Iraqi government, with the support of the political parties, said the Sadrist political movement would not be able to participate in upcoming provincial elections if it failed to disband the Mahdi Army. On April 13, the cabinet approved legislation that prevents political parties with militias from contesting provincial elections this year. The bill will now be sent to parliament for approval. Grand Ayatollah Ali al Sistani, the top Shiite cleric in Iraq, said the Mahdi Army was not above the law and should be disarmed.

sacase
04-21-2008, 08:33 AM
Find where he is holed up at, and put two JDAM's on him, call it a day.

iceberg
04-21-2008, 09:44 AM
Find where he is holed up at, and put two JDAM's on him, call it a day.

give him 3. he's earned 'em.

so much for his cease fire no one believed.

burmafrd
04-21-2008, 09:47 AM
Wonder where the libs were that were saying that Sadr was the winner in last months uprising? Suddenly they are nowhere to be found.

ConcordCowboy
04-21-2008, 09:48 AM
Kill this Frickin guy already.

burmafrd
04-21-2008, 09:53 AM
He is in Tehran right now. In a suburb in a villa sitting back and taking it easy while his poor deluded followers die. Be nice if we could send a Tomahawk calling.

iceberg
04-21-2008, 10:18 AM
Wonder where the libs were that were saying that Sadr was the winner in last months uprising? Suddenly they are nowhere to be found.

oh, i imagine the opposite extreme will be back as soon as they can point to bad news and wonder where you are. : )

my news is most recent! tag, you're it!!! :D

Jordan55
04-22-2008, 12:31 PM
Walk tall and carry a big Stick!
And it's only getting better:)

Multinational Forces Iraq has dramatically changed it’s messaging concerning the Mahdi Army and attacks in Baghdad. While MNF-I continues to refer to the Shia militias as “criminals” or Special Groups in their press releases, there are no longer any calls for the Mahdi Army to obey Muqtada al Sadr’s cease-fire order.This is occurring as the Iraqi government and MNF-I are pressing the fight against the Mahdi Army in Baghdad, Basra, and elsewhere in the South.

In the past, MNF-I press releases would refer to Sadr with the honorific “al-Sayyid” and appeal to the Mahdi Army to adhere to the ceasefire. Here is an example of a typical press release from late December 2007, which leaves an opening for Sadr and his Mahdi Army to end the violence:


"We commend all those who honor al-Sayyid Muqtada al-Sadr’s ceasefire pledge… Significant progress has been made in the fight for a secure and stable Iraq, but dangerous criminal elements still exist."


Now, MNF-I is explicitly stating the goal is to “capture or kill these criminals” while dropping any pretenses about the neutrality of the Mahdi Army. Here is an example from a press release today:


”Iranian-backed Special Groups and other criminal elements who refuse to honor the rule of law are directly responsible for the current violence in Baghdad, as well as the deaths of countless innocent civilians,” said Lt. Col. Steven Stover, a spokesman for MND-B. “We will continue to work with Iraqi civilians and Iraqi Security Forces to identify, capture or kill these criminals who are terrorizing the people of Baghdad.”


A press release from April 20 actually noted that “criminal” fighters “retreated to building that contained the local Sadr Trend office” after a clash with Iraqi soldiers and special police. In the past, MNF-I would not directly link the “criminals” and “Special Groups” to Sadr’s political movement.

The change is significant. Just a few weeks ago, General David Petraeus was giving Sadr an out by saying he had a place in Iraq’s political process. Last week, Admiral Michael Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Sadr could either participate in the political process or not, the choice is his. This weekend, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice openly insulted Sadr by calling him a coward for hiding in Iran while he instructed the Mahdi Army to fight U.S. and Iraqi forces. "I know he's sitting in Iran," Rice said. "I guess its all-out war for anybody but him. I guess that's the message; his followers can go to their deaths and he's in Iran." Now MNF-I drops its friendly titles for Sadr and references to the cease-fire, while killing or capturing Mahdi Army fighters on a daily basis. MNF-I is withdrawing the carrot and applying the stick.

DFWJC
04-22-2008, 01:35 PM
Find where he is holed up at, and put two JDAM's on him, call it a day.

Thank you sir can I have another..................

:bomb: :bomb: :bomb:

Jordan55
04-22-2008, 02:29 PM
This just in from the national news media, Were getting our rear ends handed to us



Sadrists Try and Negotiate a Halt to U.S. Offensive


We keep hearing that Muqtada al Sadr has gained the upper hand after fighting “bogged down” in Baghdad and Basra. Time magazine has led the charge on this front. The April 15 article titled "Al-Sadr Tightens the Screws” epitomizes the tone of Time’s coverage in Iraq. “Sadr's Mahdi Army has effectively stopped an advance by U.S. and Iraqi forces into its strongholds in Baghdad and Basra after weeks of fighting” writes Mark Kukis. “Sadr's political power appears to be growing even as the crisis wears on.” These are difficult arguments to make considering:

a) Sadr called for a cease-fire in Basra and Baghdad just as the Iraqi Army began to push reinforcements into the troubled areas.

b) The Iraqi government decided to prevent political parties from participating in the upcoming provincial elections. Sadr’s spokesmen were in a near panic and admitted they were politically isolated as the continuum of Shia, Sunni, and Kurdish parties backed the measure.

c) Iraqis troops have pushed through at least three of the five of the Mahdi Army strongholds in Basra.

d) Iraqi and U.S. troops now occupy the southern third of Sadr City.

e) Sadr has issued a series of demands, insisting that the Iraqi military pardon those who deserted during the recent fighting and halt military operations lest he call for a third uprising. The Iraqi government has not pardoned the soldiers and police, nor has it stopped military operations.

f) Sadr called for a million man march in Najaf, then moved the march to Baghdad, then canceled the march. He claimed the military was interfering with his supporter’s movement but his recent marches have been less than stellar, drawing at most 10,000 supporters.

The latest bit of news from Iraq shows the Sadrist political movement is desperate to end the advance in Sadr City. Voices of Iraq reported that the Sadrists has asked former Prime Minister Iyad Illawi to mediate a cease-fire with the U.S. military. “Sadrist bloc lawmakers called on [me] two days ago to mediate with U.S. troops to cease military operations and to stop the concrete walls siege imposed on Sadr city for over a month,” Illawi said at a press conference in Baghdad, referring to the barriers being put up to partition the city to allow Iraqi and U.S. forces to stabilize the neighborhoods.

It will be interesting to see how this latest move by Sadr will be spun into a moment of triumph.

Doomsday101
04-22-2008, 02:32 PM
All Muqtada al Sadr has to do is have his militias put down their weapons. If they want to deal in the political process great but Iraq can't afford to have armed militias running around on the streets.

Jordan55
04-22-2008, 02:47 PM
Sec. of State Rice hit the nail on the head with this one "I know he's sitting in Iran," Rice said dismissively, when asked about al-Sadr's latest threat to lift a self-imposed cease-fire with government and U.S. forces. "I guess it's all-out war for anybody but him," Rice said. "I guess that's the message; his followers can go too their deaths and he's in Iran."
He's one big Vagina, we can only hope the Iranians, tire of his act and turn him over to the Iraqis.

iceberg
04-22-2008, 02:57 PM
f) Sadr called for a million man march in Najaf, then moved the march to Baghdad, then canceled the march. He claimed the military was interfering with his supporter’s movement but his recent marches have been less than stellar, drawing at most 10,000 supporters.
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now why on EARTH would they huddle up for a missle attack?

Jordan55
04-22-2008, 03:13 PM
Hang man, Hang man wait a little while I think I see Sadr coming.
Waiting on the gallows pole.

theogt
04-22-2008, 03:28 PM
Sounds like they're taking the Giuliani approach to cleaning up Iraq.

Jordan55
04-22-2008, 03:44 PM
I'll tell you what, I'll give Petrasus and his leadership along with our military all the credit. But it is encouraging to see the Iraqis take the forefront in the fight for the future of their country.
I'll have to give Kudo's to the Dem's in stepping up in supporting the surge.
Thank goodness we have their leadership in this conflict.

BrAinPaiNt
04-22-2008, 03:47 PM
This guy is about 4-5 years past his expiration date. :D

Jordan55
04-22-2008, 03:54 PM
This guy is about 4-5 years past his expiration date. :D


It's scary, but your sounding more and more like a republican, now my final question is he afforded an attorney to defend his case or can we make quick and simple. Exit stage Right!

BrAinPaiNt
04-22-2008, 04:01 PM
It's scary, but your sounding more and more like a republican, now my final question is he afforded an attorney to defend his case or can we make quick and simple. Exit stage Right!

You would have to ask the Iraqi's...he would be under their jurisdiction.

However if it were up to me. I would say, take the guy out and save a few dollars to be spent in other areas.:D

theogt
04-22-2008, 05:06 PM
I'll tell you what, I'll give Petrasus and his leadership along with our military all the credit. But it is encouraging to see the Iraqis take the forefront in the fight for the future of their country.
I'll have to give Kudo's to the Dem's in stepping up in supporting the surge.
Thank goodness we have their leadership in this conflict.I really had no idea the Iraqi army was this competent at this point. It's amazing that a shi'ite-heavy military actually has enough legitimacy to fight a shi'ite militia for this long and this aggressive.

iceberg
04-22-2008, 05:15 PM
I really had no idea the Iraqi army was this competent at this point. It's amazing that a shi'ite-heavy military actually has enough legitimacy to fight a shi'ite militia for this long and this aggressive.

it is good to hear, isn't it? this in the end is the fastest way out - make sure they can take care of themselves. so far, we're looking good.

BrAinPaiNt
04-22-2008, 05:30 PM
it is good to hear, isn't it? this in the end is the fastest way out - make sure they can take care of themselves. so far, we're looking good.

Ding Ding Ding.

It was never about our military. It was always about their military and government.

Jordan55
04-22-2008, 06:24 PM
I really had no idea the Iraqi army was this competent at this point. It's amazing that a shi'ite-heavy military actually has enough legitimacy to fight a shi'ite militia for this long and this aggressive.

All reports coming out of basra have been very encouraging.
Hopefully the tide is turning. The sacrifices that our fallen soldiers have made will not have been for nothing.

Jon88
04-22-2008, 11:24 PM
Kill this guy with a bomb.