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trickblue
04-22-2008, 02:09 PM
Link (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9073A302&show_article=1)

Bin Laden's deputy says Iran trying to undermine al-Qaida
Apr 22 02:54 PM US/Eastern
By LEE KEATH Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader issued a new audiotape Tuesday accusing Shiite Iran of spreading a conspiracy theory about who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks to discredit the power of the Sunni terrorist network.

Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden's deputy, has stepped up his denunciations of Iran in recent messages in part to depict al-Qaida as the Arabs' top defense against the Persian nation's rising power in the Middle East.

The increasing enmity toward Iran is a notable change of rhetoric from al-Zawahri, who in the past rarely mentioned the country—apparently in a hopes he would be able to forge some sort of understanding with Tehran based on their common rivalry with the United States. Iran has long sought to distance itself from al-Qaida.

"Al-Zawahri wanted to work with Iran, but he's deeply disappointed that Iran has not cooperated with al-Qaida," said Rohan Gunaratna, a terrorism export and author of "Inside al-Qaida: The Global Network of Terror."

So now, al-Zawahri "wants to appeal to the anti-Shiite, anti-Iran sentiments in the Arab and Muslim world," said Gunaratna, head of the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore.

Al-Zawahri appeared intent on exploiting widespread worry in the Arab world over Iran's influence, particularly in Iraq, to garner support for al-Qaida. At the same time, he sought to denigrate Iran's ally Hezbollah, which has gained some popularity even among Sunnis in the region for its fight against Israel.

Al-Zawahri's comments came in a two-hour audio posted on an Islamic militant Web site, the second message in weeks in which he answered hundreds of questions sent to the site by al-Qaida sympathizers and others.

The question-and-answer campaign is a sign of the terrorist network's sophistication in its use of the Web. They show al-Qaida can post frequent messages from its leaders while keeping in touch with its popular base—all while the leaders remain in hiding, presumably on the Afghan-Pakistan frontier.

The Web is a key tool of al-Qaida's central leadership to inspire and direct sympathizers at a time when some terrorism experts question how much control they have over Islamic militants. Al-Qaida branches in Iraq and Afghanistan are believed to have close ties with the network's core, but little is known about its level of control elsewhere.

The authenticity of the audio could not be independently confirmed. But the voice sounded like past audios from al-Zawahri, and the posting where it was found bore the logo of Al-Sahab, al-Qaida's media arm.

Al-Zawahri spoke on a wide range of topics in Tuesday's message. He told a female questioner there were no women in the ranks of al-Qaida, but praised wives of mujahedeen for their "heroic role in taking care of their homes and children amid the trials of exile."

Female suicide bombers have carried out numerous attacks in Iraq, some of them believed to be by al-Qaida's branch in the country. Al-Zawahri appeared to mean that no women were among the terrorist network's core leadership.

Al-Zawahri even addressed global warming, saying it showed "how criminal, brutal and greedy the Western Crusader world is, with America at the top."

He predicted global warming would "would make the world more sympathetic to and understanding of the Muslims' jihad (holy war) against the aggressor America."

But in many of his answers, al-Zawahri went out of his way to criticize Iran. He said the Iraqi insurgent umbrella group led by al- Qaida, called the Islamic State of Iraq, is "the primary force opposing the Crusaders (the United States) and challenging Iranian ambitions" in Iraq.

One questioner asked about the theory that has circulated in the Middle East and elsewhere that Israel was behind the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Al-Zawahri accused Hezbollah's Al-Manar television of starting the rumor. "The purpose of this lie is clear—(to suggest) that there are no heroes among the Sunnis who can hurt America as no else did in history. Iranian media snapped up this lie and repeated it," he said.

"Iran's aim here is also clear—to cover up its involvement with America in invading the homes of Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq," he added. Iran cooperated with the United States in the 2001 U.S. assault on Afghanistan that toppled al-Qaida's allies, the Taliban.

Al-Qaida has previously claimed responsibility for the Sept. 11 attacks.

In an audiotape last week, al-Zawahri denounced what he called Iran's expansionist plans, saying Tehran aims to annex southern Iraq and Shiite areas of the eastern Arabian Peninsula and as well as strengthen ties to its followers in southern Lebanon. He warned that if Iran achieves its goals, it will "explode the situation in an already exploding region."

The rhetoric is a stark change for al-Zawahri, who in the past did not seek to exploit Shiite-Sunni tensions. When the former head of al- Qaida in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was waging a campaign of suicide bombings against Shiites in Iraq, al-Zawahri sent messages telling him to stop, fearing it would hurt al-Qaida's image.

Gunaratna said the change in tone could be because of al-Qaida's failure to win the release of al-Qaida figures detained by Iran since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, including al-Qaida security chief Saif al-Adel and two of bin Laden's sons.

Gunaratna said that up to 200 al-Qaida figures and their families are under house arrest in Iran and that Tehran has rejected al-Qaida attempts to negotiate their release.

Al-Qaida doesn't have the strength to launch attacks in Iran, but it intends to do so "in the future," he said. "If al-Qaida becomes strong in Iraq ... Iran believes al-Qaida in Iraq could become a major threat."

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Jordan55
04-22-2008, 02:38 PM
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Hostile
04-22-2008, 04:51 PM
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon110707c.gifI don't get it. That is about where the Air & Space Museum at the Smithsonian would be.

Jon88
04-22-2008, 05:17 PM
Why don't you just go to Iran and meet with their leaders about it? Oh that's right, you're scared to come out of the cave.

iceberg
04-22-2008, 05:27 PM
I don't get it. That is about where the Air & Space Museum at the Smithsonian would be.

it could be making fun of not being allowed any form of torture to find out where weapons are. if you don't tell us we'll get you a lawyer! that would get me to talking!

the blast is just a close to home reference of what can happen if we don't do all that's necessary to get the information we need, it would seem, in the eyes of that cartoonist.

said statement is given without my own views attached at all. some segments of what was said could be intepreted as my saying i feel that way but i do not and would like to make that publically clear. i'm just trying like you to understand this cartoon and this is my interpretation.

but i never was much of an impressionist.

BrAinPaiNt
04-22-2008, 05:29 PM
it could be making fun of not being allowed any form of torture to find out where weapons are. if you don't tell us we'll get you a lawyer! that would get me to talking!

the blast is just a close to home reference of what can happen if we don't do all that's necessary to get the information we need, it would seem, in the eyes of that cartoonist.

said statement is given without my own views attached at all. some segments of what was said could be intepreted as my saying i feel that way but i do not and would like to make that publically clear. i'm just trying like you to understand this cartoon and this is my interpretation.

but i never was much of an impressionist.

Or it could mean that since we have spread our Military so thin around the world we just don't have enough military at home to prevent it, whether we use torture or not. :D

Now, half jokingly, would it be so bad if we took out DC. I mean all the liars and greedy people are there.:D

Hostile
04-22-2008, 05:47 PM
Or it could mean that since we have spread our Military so thin around the world we just don't have enough military at home to prevent it, whether we use torture or not. :D

Now, half jokingly, would it be so bad if we took out DC. I mean all the liars and greedy people are there.:DEven as a joke I don't care for this. I'll go remove the stick now.

BrAinPaiNt
04-22-2008, 06:13 PM
Even as a joke I don't care for this. I'll go remove the stick now.

What if it was a bomb that ONLY took out politicians.:D

Hell I would settle for a kid with a bb gun taking out Byrd.:laugh2:

Hostile
04-22-2008, 06:37 PM
What if it was a bomb that ONLY took out politicians.:D

Hell I would settle for a kid with a bb gun taking out Byrd.:laugh2:Just leave my Smithsonian out of it. That is one of the truly great places on this earth.

BrAinPaiNt
04-22-2008, 06:38 PM
Just leave my Smithsonian out of it. That is one of the truly great places on this earth.

I have always wanted to go there but never have.

In my neck of the woods the 6th graders go every year...except the year I was in 6th grade as that year the worlds fair was in Knoxville and we went there instead.

Jordan55
04-22-2008, 06:44 PM
I thought it was pretty amusing myself, it appears to me it shows, that while we play appease the rest of the world. Show them how civilized we can play. We face an enemy, who will go to any extreme in causing death and destruction to our way of life. I still don't believe we understand the threat, we face. So we give them an advantage.
You have the right to an attorney, anything you say can be used against you.
Excuse me are the lights to bright, the music to loud, are you comfortable. You don't want to talk, no problem maybe you'll talk in the morning get a good nights sleep.
If these SOB's had their way the Smithsonian, is prime target for their jihadist cause.

Jordan55
04-22-2008, 07:09 PM
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trickblue
04-22-2008, 10:59 PM
I have always wanted to go there but never have.

It takes a week to do it right... and that week is WELL worth it...

burmafrd
04-23-2008, 10:01 AM
Brain, Its really getting close to the time when SOMETHING has to be done about Byrd.

Hostile
04-23-2008, 10:23 AM
I thought it was pretty amusing myself, it appears to me it shows, that while we play appease the rest of the world. Show them how civilized we can play. We face an enemy, who will go to any extreme in causing death and destruction to our way of life. I still don't believe we understand the threat, we face. So we give them an advantage.
You have the right to an attorney, anything you say can be used against you.
Excuse me are the lights to bright, the music to loud, are you comfortable. You don't want to talk, no problem maybe you'll talk in the morning get a good nights sleep.
If these SOB's had their way the Smithsonian, is prime target for their jihadist cause.I guess I just don't get it.

BrAinPaiNt
04-23-2008, 10:25 AM
Brain, Its really getting close to the time when SOMETHING has to be done about Byrd.

That time was long ago.:D

But it is hard to kill the undead.

iceberg
04-23-2008, 11:11 AM
shoot the head. works every time i've ever seen it in action.

SuspectCorner
04-24-2008, 05:22 AM
Torturing people is so un-American it literally pains me to know that we have lowered ourselves to that level.

I want the "America" that leads the rest of the world by example - not the one that debases itself by acting like the ruthless animals we find ourselves pitted against.

Civilized nations will occassionally find themselves engaged in combat with an enemy determined to TAKE FROM THEM. But let's not let them take what is best about us as a nation. Let's behave firmly but humanely in our treatment of prisoners.

The whole world still watches us... they could sure use a good example right now. And if America can't provide it - then who will?

Jordan55
04-24-2008, 07:40 AM
Torturing people is so un-American it literally pains me to know that we have lowered ourselves to that level.

The whole world still watches us... they could sure use a good example right now. And if America can't provide it - then who will?


Suspect, I agree with most of your beliefs, I don't champion physical beatings, but at the same time, I am still a proponent for waterboarding, and making life uncomfortable. I believe that these options should be available to us.
While the rest of the world watches maybe they should also realize, that the good ole US of A, is the main preclusive keeping the free world stable.
Of course some whould argue that and say where inflaming the jihadists.
but I would say we left it unchecked for way to long and it needed to be confronted. I read an article, concerning the English, and how they have interrupted about 15 terrorist plots in their own country since 9/11, by Muslims, who were born and raised in their own country pretty damn scary.
This is an enemy, and a belief unlike any other, that has ever been confronted in the history of man, and is possibly the biggest threat ever to freedom.
Playing a Saint, could cause a very large victimization to the American public, maybe those deaths might pain you more.

Yeagermeister
04-24-2008, 08:01 AM
That time was long ago.:D

But it is hard to kill the undead.

Silver bullets or a stake through the heart usually works :laugh1:

SuspectCorner
04-25-2008, 02:08 AM
Suspect, I agree with most of your beliefs, I don't champion physical beatings, but at the same time, I am still a proponent for waterboarding, and making life uncomfortable. I believe that these options should be available to us.
While the rest of the world watches maybe they should also realize, that the good ole US of A, is the main preclusive keeping the free world stable.
Of course some whould argue that and say where inflaming the jihadists.
but I would say we left it unchecked for way to long and it needed to be confronted. I read an article, concerning the English, and how they have interrupted about 15 terrorist plots in their own country since 9/11, by Muslims, who were born and raised in their own country pretty damn scary.
This is an enemy, and a belief unlike any other, that has ever been confronted in the history of man, and is possibly the biggest threat ever to freedom.
Playing a Saint, could cause a very large victimization to the American public, maybe those deaths might pain you more.

The situation is ugly - I agree. The enemy is willing to behead non-combatants on videotape and release that imagery to be dispersed worldwide - many of them are literally insane with their hatred of all things US.

But failure to rise above this kind of animalistic behavior will only further erode our standing in the world. Our country does much good in the world. But we are the lone remaining superpower and that fact alone will make us a target for the resentful throngs who view us as responsible for the world's ills.

We can't "cure" the world - but we have a moral obligation to provide it with a standard for which to aim. Nobles oblige.

As a society, we revile foreign "strongmen" and thugs. We should never allow similar behavior from our own leaders. It's either right or it's wrong. There is no middle ground when it comes to torture.

iceberg
04-25-2008, 09:53 AM
The situation is ugly - I agree. The enemy is willing to behead non-combatants on videotape and release that imagery to be dispersed worldwide - many of them are literally insane with their hatred of all things US.

But failure to rise above this kind of animalistic behavior will only further erode our standing in the world. Our country does much good in the world. But we are the lone remaining superpower and that fact alone will make us a target for the resentful throngs who view us as responsible for the world's ills.

We can't "cure" the world - but we have a moral obligation to provide it with a standard for which to aim. Nobles oblige.

As a society, we revile foreign "strongmen" and thugs. We should never allow similar behavior from our own leaders. It's either right or it's wrong. There is no middle ground when it comes to torture.

suspect, please understand this "hatred" was there long before we were a country. not for us at the time, but anyone "not them". yes, it's the radicals, not the whole. but that's who we're dealing with and will have to continue to deal with them.

do you think if they're willing to behead someone that simply saying "will you please tell us your plans? pretty please"? is going to get anyone very far?

so you have someone in custody you know is a terrorist leader or top informant. you know this group is about to blow up a school full of kids but you don't know which school or even which state yet.

what would you be willing to do to a man willing to kill hundreds of kids and his group is about to do it?

keep asking nicely?

SuspectCorner
04-26-2008, 05:39 AM
suspect, please understand this "hatred" was there long before we were a country. not for us at the time, but anyone "not them". yes, it's the radicals, not the whole. but that's who we're dealing with and will have to continue to deal with them.

do you think if they're willing to behead someone that simply saying "will you please tell us your plans? pretty please"? is going to get anyone very far?

so you have someone in custody you know is a terrorist leader or top informant. you know this group is about to blow up a school full of kids but you don't know which school or even which state yet.

what would you be willing to do to a man willing to kill hundreds of kids and his group is about to do it?

keep asking nicely?

Special circumstances may require special actions. I don't like it but am forced to admit such circumstances will occasionally arise.

However - I am, so far, convinced that we are guilty of a broad program of abuse of prisoners. This kind of behavior is a gradual self-abuse our own character as a nation. Because, incrementally, it becomes easier to rationalize to ourselves that the behavior is justified - until we become the very same fiends we were seeking out.

And much doubt can be cast upon any "information" gleaned in this manner. The basic instinct for survival that will cause the innocent to gush "information" in the face of torture.

This is not the road we should be going down. The people of Nazi Germany started out making such rationalizations and shortly thereafter let fear and their nationalistic pride override their morale compass until their leaders realized that they could do no wrong - and so engaged in every form.

I'm not saying that's us. But they got started by heading down this same road.

iceberg
04-26-2008, 10:35 AM
Special circumstances may require special actions. I don't like it but am forced to admit such circumstances will occasionally arise.

However - I am, so far, convinced that we are guilty of a broad program of abuse of prisoners. This kind of behavior is a gradual self-abuse our own character as a nation. Because, incrementally, it becomes easier to rationalize to ourselves that the behavior is justified - until we become the very same fiends we were seeking out.

And much doubt can be cast upon any "information" gleaned in this manner. The basic instinct for survival that will cause the innocent to gush "information" in the face of torture.

This is not the road we should be going down. The people of Nazi Germany started out making such rationalizations and shortly thereafter let fear and their nationalistic pride override their morale compass until their leaders realized that they could do no wrong - and so engaged in every form.

I'm not saying that's us. But they got started by heading down this same road.

ok, that's fair enough. i don't want to see us abusing anyone either. but now the problem is define 'special' so all know when it's ok. that viewpoint is going to vary from person to person.