As Predicted, Hilary Wins

[Cajuncowboy]

Pennsylvania.

Bye bye Obama!

Keep on fightin' Hil

:lmao2:

[theogt]

Has it already been called? That was quick.

[Cajuncowboy]

Has it already been called? That was quick.

Fox news just projected it.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/22/democratic-candidates-define-victory-as-pa-primary-draws-to-a-close/

[irvin88]

Pennsylvania.

Bye bye Obama!

Keep on fightin' Hil

:lmao2:

Straight to the Convention !!!!!:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

If Hillary wins the Dem Nomination and some how manages to go on to become president...I may personally hunt down each of you wanting her to win the PA race and do the flaming bag of poo trick...and much worse.

[Cajuncowboy]

If Hillary wins the Dem Nomination and some how manages to go on to become president...I may personally hunt down each of you wanting her to win the PA race and do the flaming bag of poo trick...and much worse.

Oh she is going to win the dem nomination but will lose big time in the general.

[CowboyWay]

Oh she is going to win the dem nomination but will lose big time in the general.

I dont' think so. Once people realize McCain wants to keep the war maching turning, and then some, Hillary will win.

Go Hillary !!!!!

[trickblue]

If Hillary wins the Dem Nomination and some how manages to go on to become president...I may personally hunt down each of you wanting her to win the PA race and do the flaming bag of poo trick...and much worse.

Kind of like the difference from being a bumbling fool, to an outright conniving liar... :D

[theogt]

Oh she is going to win the dem nomination but will lose big time in the general.There's absolutely no way she can win the nomination at this point. She's just on a scorched earth policy now, so she can run in '12.

[WiPatfan]

There's absolutely no way she can win the nomination at this point. She's just on a scorched earth policy now, so she can run in '12.


I agree @ the scorched earth for a different reason.

My theory is that after Wisconsin her campaign sent out feelers to see if Obama would accept her as his running mate. The question was couched publically as "she inviting him to be her running mate," but she, Bill and everyone knew that the math was against her. Something was going on.

So now she's basically forcing him to take her as his running mate. The longer she soldiers on, the more her "low information", older white female core will turn against Obama. The only way to turn those LIOWFs back to the democrats when Obama is the nominee is too put Hillary on the ticket.

The rhetoric over the next couple of weeks from the Clintons will be "We should join forces!" If Obama turns them down, he risks polarizing the LIOWF even more.

McCain will wear the crown.

[Danny White]

I've been saying she can't win it, but I'm not so sure of that now.

The one thing I know is that I don't know what the hell is going to happen.

I DO think it's going to go to the convention now, and what a wild convention it'll be!


One thing is clear... she is NOT going to quit or drop out. The only way this ends before the convention is if all the Superdelegates flip, and that ain't gonna happen.

[Jordan55]

This needs to settled at the Democratic National Convention,:) What's Howard Dean to do? The Democrats stuck in their own quagmire, how fitting.
Popcorn, peanuts, the show must go on!

[Doomsday101]

I dont' think so. Once people realize McCain wants to keep the war maching turning, and then some, Hillary will win.

Go Hillary !!!!!

McCain is in favor of getting the job done in Iraq not turning tail and watching the country fall apart. If some are just now figuring that out then they must be slow. Now no doubt Hillary is a fighter after all how many people could stand around talking to a child as snipers are shooting at you?:lmao:

[DFWJC]

No surprise there

[Doomsday101]

No surprise there

I agree it is no surprise but this does not bode well for Obama. He is the front runner with many of the top Dems telling Hillary to step down and he outspent her 2-1 in PA and yet lost by 10 points? Obama is not as strong as some think.

[Hostile]

Actually I predicted Obama would sneak a win. Hey a guy can hope.

[Doomsday101]

Actually I predicted Obama would sneak a win. Hey a guy can hope.

I just laughed when I saw her win. The war of words will continue between her and Obama. As well the Dem party will become more and more splintered as these 2 continue to attack

[BrAinPaiNt]

I just laughed when I saw her win. The war of words will continue between her and Obama. As well the Dem party will become more and more splintered as these 2 continue to attack

I don't laugh one bit...because it just gives her yet another chance, small as it is, to win it all. And the last thing I want is Hillary as President.

No chance, No how and I am honest when I say the thought of her with the remotest chance to win scares me and I just don't find it humorous the games people are playing about it.

[Doomsday101]

I don't laugh one bit...because it just gives her yet another chance, small as it is, to win it all. And the last thing I want is Hillary as President.

No chance, No how and I am honest when I say the thought of her with the remotest chance to win scares me and I just don't find it humorous the games people are playing about it.

I understand that but for me I don't want either Hillary or Obama and do not see one of them better than the other. 1 is a man and 1 is a woman there is the difference between the 2. So for me to see this linger on and both ripping each other a while longer suites me fine

[StanleySpadowski]

What scares me is that Clinton can beat McCain.

Obama can't go after the skeletons in McCain's closet, and there are plenty to pick from, or he risks losing the above it all outsider status that's really the only thing he has going for him among the gullible idealists that make up his base. His only hope would be for 529's to do the heavy lifting while he denounces them publicly.

Clinton can and will use everything at her disposal.

[DFWJC]

I don't laugh one bit...because it just gives her yet another chance, small as it is, to win it all. And the last thing I want is Hillary as President.

No chance, No how and I am honest when I say the thought of her with the remotest chance to win scares me and I just don't find it humorous the games people are playing about it.

The next few months have the potential to be the wildest primary ride in history. The ramifications could be very broad.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I understand that but for me I don't want either Hillary or Obama and do not see one of them better than the other. 1 is a man and 1 is a woman there is the difference between the 2. So for me to see this linger on and both ripping each other a while longer suites me fine

No I see a difference. I think she is more hardcore concerning the military and Iraq than she lets on and only panders to her base with the remove the troops talk.

I think she is also much MUCH more vicious than Obama and is more likely to use the neo con election tricks against McCain than Obama would.

I tell you, people act like she can not win against McCain is just like the smug dems that thought anyone could beat Bush in that last election.

Let's be blunt for a second. McCain CAN be beat. People talk about obama getting a free ride until recently but McCain has been getting a bit of a free ride himself as everyone is concentrating on the dem primary.

If his mistakes, little as they may be, were doing the actual presidential election they would be magnified a great deal.

And lord forbid if something should happen where he has a medical condition pop up (stroke, heart attack or any number of situations that hit older men) just imagine how that could change the voters opinions and all of a sudden Hillary comes out on top.

I am voting McCain as it stands right now. I flat out despise hillary and I don't agree with many liberal issues right now. However even with that said...IF for unforseen reasons McCain would lose I would feel better if it were to Obama as opposed to Hillary.

I put her just about even with Byrd and Bush in my disdain of a politician if that tells you anything.

No way no how...even if you hate all the dems I just can not for the life of me seeing anyone honestly saying that they would rather have Hillary over Obama in the worst case scenario of McCain losing the race.

To me putting in Hillary is about the same as putting up with bush these last few years. She is just as dangerous and actually worse in many ways IMO.

[Doomsday101]

No I see a difference. I think she is more hardcore concerning the military and Iraq than she lets on and only panders to her base with the remove the troops talk.

I think she is also much MUCH more vicious than Obama and is more likely to use the neo con election tricks against McCain than Obama would.

I tell you, people act like she can not win against McCain is just like the smug dems that thought anyone could beat Bush in that last election.

Let's be blunt for a second. McCain CAN be beat. People talk about obama getting a free ride until recently but McCain has been getting a bit of a free ride himself as everyone is concentrating on the dem primary.

If his mistakes, little as they may be, were doing the actual presidential election they would be magnified a great deal.

And lord forbid if something should happen where he has a medical condition pop up (stroke, heart attack or any number of situations that hit older men) just imagine how that could change the voters opinions and all of a sudden Hillary comes out on top.

I am voting McCain as it stands right now. I flat out despise hillary and I don't agree with many liberal issues right now. However even with that said...IF for unforseen reasons McCain would lose I would feel better if it were to Obama as opposed to Hillary.

I put her just about even with Byrd and Bush in my disdain of a politician if that tells you anything.

No way no how...even if you hate all the dems I just can not for the life of me seeing anyone honestly saying that they would rather have Hillary over Obama in the worst case scenario of McCain losing the race.

To me putting in Hillary is about the same as putting up with bush these last few years. She is just as dangerous and actually worse in many ways IMO.

As I said looking at obama voting record and Hillary I see no real difference. I think his intent in Iraq is the same as hers and he has stated that many times so either he is flat out lying to win the votes or he is telling the truth and plans on a mass retreat from Iraq.

As for being vicious and using as you call them neo con tricks? Come on Obama once again is no better and I don't like either one. as for McCain I expect either Obama or Hillary to run a close contest and could win but I think Hillary will not fare as well with independent voters vs McCain as Obama would.

[BrAinPaiNt]

As I said looking at obama voting record and Hillary I see no real difference. I think his intent in Iraq is the same as hers and he has stated that many times so either he is flat out lying to win the votes or he is telling the truth and plans on a mass retreat from Iraq.

As for being vicious and using as you call them neo con tricks? Come on Obama once again is no better and I don't like either one. as for McCain I expect either Obama or Hillary to run a close contest and could win but I think Hillary will not fare as well with independent voters vs McCain as Obama would.

I never said HE was lying about Iraq...I think I pretty much said that HILLARY was the one lying about it to pander to her base. And please do not discount indy and even some repub women voters out there.

There will be women voters that have never voted that will come out for Hillary even if they know nothing about her stances. I know for a fact because I have some in my family and at my work that have never voted but said they WILL vote for Hillary if she makes it to the general election.

This so called cake walk for McCain that many are so quick to claim is just like that cake walk that the dems thought they were in store for last time. Best not to count your chickens before they hatch.

One other thing...Obama and Hillary are similar in many areas but they have not always voted the same. Hillary has voted many times in war support bills and spending and than came back and said she was misled or some other line of bull.

[Doomsday101]

I never said HE was lying about Iraq...I think I pretty much said that HILLARY was the one lying about it to pander to her base. And please do not discount indy and even some repub women voters out there.

There will be women voters that have never voted that will come out for Hillary even if they know nothing about her stances. I know for a fact because I have some in my family and at my work that have never voted but said they WILL vote for Hillary if she makes it to the general election.

This so called cake walk for McCain that many are so quick to claim is just like that cake walk that the dems thought they were in store for last time. Best not to count your chickens before they hatch.

One other thing...Obama and Hillary are similar in many areas but they have not always voted the same. Hillary has voted many times in war support bills and spending and than came back and said she was misled or some other line of bull.

I don't think this is a cake walk for McCain as I said I expect a close election similar to the last 2 presidential elections however I would not feel any better about an Obama Presidency than I would a Hillary Presidency as far as I'm concerned both of would suck should they win. I will say I like McCain chances over Hillary a bit more because Hillary does have a lot more baggage than Obama just because she has been in the spot light longer and people know her where as Obama not much is really known about him and thus his negative rating are lower and add to that her negative ratings are the highest of the 3

[REDVOLUTION]

Is this the only Political thread that Ozzu hasnt posted in? :eek:

[ZeroClub]

Clinton and Obama are very similar in some ways (especially on their political positions) but different in other ways (personality / character).

It makes me think a bit about cars. I guess people can argue about whether a certain Ford Tarus or a particular Mercury Sable is "the best car," but because those two cars are so similar, the opinions about those cars will be based on relatively superficial aspects (e.g., how each is equipped, whether you like leather or a moonroof, etc.).

It would be illogical, of course, to assume that both cars are inadequate just because people can't agree on which of the two cars was "better."

After all, either one of them beats an old Edsel.

[AtlCB]

Clinton and Obama are very similar in some ways (especially on their political positions) but different in other ways (personality / character).

It makes me think a bit about cars. I guess people can argue about whether a certain Ford Tarus or a particular Mercury Sable is "the best car," but because those two cars are so similar, the opinions about those cars will be based on relatively superficial aspects (e.g., how each is equipped, whether you like leather or a moonroof, etc.).

It would be illogical, of course, to assume that both cars are inadequate just because people can't agree on which of the two cars was "better."

After all, either one of them beats an old Edsel.
I think a better example for these two are Yugos.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think a better example for these two are Yugos.

In Hillary's case...an old clown car. :D

[Sasquatch]

In Hillary's case...an old clown car. :D

I was thinking this one:

http://www.dreamagic.com/vivianrose/christine.gif

:D

[zrinkill]

I was thinking this one:

http://www.dreamagic.com/vivianrose/christine.gif

:D

:bow:

[AtlCB]

In Hillary's case...an old clown car. :D

:lmao:

[ZeroClub]

The reference to Christine is a good one! :)

[AtlCB]

I was thinking this one:

http://www.dreamagic.com/vivianrose/christine.gif

:D

OMG!!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Obama's needs to be a wrecked car, and McCain's needs to be the rusty old car from "Cars."

[AtlCB]

I was thinking this one:

http://www.dreamagic.com/vivianrose/christine.gif

:D

Bush:

http://www.digitaldreammachine.com/blogimages/luxo/CarsTowMaterImage.jpg

[Jordan55]

Does anyone else see a democratic problem coming to the forefront?
Who's Bitter Now?

Not John McCain, that's for sure.

Despite being out-spent, out-hoped, and out-changed, Hillary won yesterday’s Pennsylvania primary by about 10 points. She will continue the primary fight, even though she remains out-delegated, and unless she unexpectedly sweeps the upcoming primaries, Obama will be the likely Democratic nominee. Bloggers say this is terrible news for the Democrats, since yesterday's primary really only makes McCain look good.

First, not all Democrats support the inevitable Obama. At the Politico, David Paul Kuhn says, "Hillary Rodham Clinton won Pennsylvania with the same base of white women, working-class voters and white men that revived her candidacy in Ohio last month. The demography that has defined the Democratic race went largely unchanged, according to exit polls." But Hot Air's Ed Morrissey says, "A compelling front-runner should have a large majority of late-deciders breaking his way, not away from him. Obama’s supposed inevitability should have swept him into victory at this late stage. If he can’t swing undecided Democrats, he won’t win independents or centrist Republicans in November against John McCain."

And Bittergate might have contributed to Obama's loss. John Podhoretz explains at Contentions: "Obama outspent Hillary 3-to-1 in Pennsylvania because he thought he could win it. Instead, he lost it. He lost it. He said rural Pennsylvanians cling to their religion and their guns because they’re bitter and they told him to go jump in the nearest vat of Scrapple." And at the Corner, Rich Lowry says simply, “If Barack Obama can make Hillary Clinton a tribune of the people, just image what he'll be able to do for John McCain.” If his snappy comment to a reporter Monday while eating his waffle is any indication, Obama seems like the bitter one now.

Bloggers agree that the Democratic party has trouble ahead. Vodkapundit Stephen Green concludes that Hillary's win "is pretty clear and quite convincing--that Hillary will go on, that Obama is a great pitch man but a lousy closer, and that the Democratic nominating process is dysfunctional at best and bipolar at worst." McQ at QandO explains further: "Democrats are left with the unenviable choice of ending the democratic process by appealing to the superdelegates to choose now and not allowing remaining Democratic primary voters to vote, or letting this run its full course and suffering the consequences in November."

Whatever the Democrats do, it seems like it will be a lose-lose situation. Richelieu says here that the race will drag on and "the only realistic albeit long-shot Clinton scenario, a super delegate reversal and last minute Hillary coup, would rupture the Democratic party." But on the other hand, Hot Air's Ed Morrissey asks, "And just how would it look to Democrats in upcoming states to see Hillary shoved aside after winning Ohio and Pennsylvania by 10 points each? It would look like Obama couldn’t beat her in a tough but fair contest, and he had to be rescued by the party establishment. That, combined with his apparent refusal to meet Hillary in another debate, makes it look like Obama is a cream puff."

Either way, fight it out, Democrats.

[ZeroClub]

But Hot Air's Ed Morrissey says, "A compelling front-runner should have a large majority of late-deciders breaking his way, not away from him. Obama’s supposed inevitability should have swept him into victory at this late stage. If he can’t swing undecided Democrats, he won’t win independents or centrist Republicans in November against John McCain."

Bradley effect