Quotes from Bengals Board

[mzgrimes]

This sounds a lot like our rants arounds here. Other threads they had were not very becoming of Carson Palmer. This gives me some hope that a win is in store next week(4-4 and in the thick of the wildcard race-we can not catch Philadelphia this year). Other parts of their site gave the impression the o-line does not block well for the run/pass game.

Here are some of the quotes:

Wow we cant apply pressure. We cant fill our gaps. I swear, our of the 7 up front, i think 4-5 need replaced. Its makin me sick seeing the Titans get 5-6 yards a pop on the run and Volek able to sit up in the pocket for a good 8 seconds to eat his lunch and then throw the ball. I dont get why were not blitzing like we did during the broncos game. Man this kinda crap drives me crazy!!!


There is really only one big thing wrong with the defense. We have extremely undersized linebackers, and undersized defensive linemen. It's a horrible combination as our guys just get swallowed up on running plays. Since we can't stop the run, it's hard to get much pressure on the QB. All in all, it adds up to a terrible defense. It's surprising that Marvin Lewis built this defense, as his Baltimore defense was helmed by a very strong defensive line with Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa, with speedy linebackers behind them. Frankly, Lewis just messed up in the offseason.

[jimmy40]

This sounds a lot like our rants arounds here. Other threads they had were not very becoming of Carson Palmer. This gives me some hope that a win is in store next week(4-4 and in the thick of the wildcard race-we can not catch Philadelphia this year). Other parts of their site gave the impression the o-line does not block well for the run/pass game.

Here are some of the quotes:

Wow we cant apply pressure. We cant fill our gaps. I swear, our of the 7 up front, i think 4-5 need replaced. Its makin me sick seeing the Titans get 5-6 yards a pop on the run and Volek able to sit up in the pocket for a good 8 seconds to eat his lunch and then throw the ball. I dont get why were not blitzing like we did during the broncos game. Man this kinda crap drives me crazy!!!


There is really only one big thing wrong with the defense. We have extremely undersized linebackers, and undersized defensive linemen. It's a horrible combination as our guys just get swallowed up on running plays. Since we can't stop the run, it's hard to get much pressure on the QB. All in all, it adds up to a terrible defense. It's surprising that Marvin Lewis built this defense, as his Baltimore defense was helmed by a very strong defensive line with Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa, with speedy linebackers behind them. Frankly, Lewis just messed up in the offseason.He also messed up not letting Palmer play last year. I don't understand why you wouldn't let your QB of the future play some even if he is a rookie, all he did was delay the growing pains and set his offense back a year.

[Hostile]

He also messed up not letting Palmer play last year. I don't understand why you wouldn't let your QB of the future play some even if he is a rookie, all he did was delay the growing pains and set his offense back a year.
Deja vu. :eek:

[jimmy40]

Deja vu. :eek:
All over again. :D

[Hostile]

All over again. :D
I just got the chills man. :)

[mzgrimes]

Do you all have anything constructive/insightful to say or do you simply enjoy bantering back and forth. I've noticed quite a few threads wasted because of such juvenile posting. Sorry if this sounds conceited.

Anyway, does anybody have any thoughtful insights into their apparent weaknesses on o and d line?

[jimmy40]

Do you all have anything constructive/insightful to say or do you simply enjoy bantering back and forth. I've noticed quite a few threads wasted because of such juvenile posting. Sorry if this sounds conceited.

Anyway, does anybody have any thoughtful insights into their apparent weaknesses on o and d line?Well I kind of enjoy bantering back and forth. How about you Hos?

[SuspectCorner]

uh... hellllooooo. john kitna actually played pretty well last year. dig up his stats. i'm kind of amazed he hasn't regained the starters job.

[jimmy40]

uh... hellllooooo. john kitna actually played pretty well last year. dig up his stats. i'm kind of amazed he hasn't regained the starters job.
Yep, sure did. Where did it get them? They KNEW Palmer was the guy they were going with the day they drafted him. They should have played him some last year.
Actually I think this is just more bantering back and forth. We better stop.

[JsnSA]

Palmer wasn't ready last year. Hell...he probably wasn't ready to start early on THIS year. They should have had Kitna start again...and just work Palmer in a little more slowly.

They didnt get the chance last year because a lot of those wins they had were close ones...many times come from behind if I remember correctly.

You just dont play a young QB with potential...even if he is a 1st rounder...when you have an experienced QB that is playing well.

Jimmy40 pretty much thinks that they shouldnt have really tried to win their games...just suck it up for a loss.

Can you imagine how sorry this league would be if everyone did that.

Ah...we arent going to win the Superbowl this year...lets just play all our rookies and hope for a high draft pick. Lets tank it. There is just something wrong with that mentalitly.

You have to try your best to win every game. Once that game is out of reach..then you can play your young guys...but not before.

[Derinyar]

Palmer wasn't ready last year. Hell...he probably wasn't ready to start early on THIS year. They should have had Kitna start again...and just work Palmer in a little more slowly.

They didnt get the chance last year because a lot of those wins they had were close ones...many times come from behind if I remember correctly.

You just dont play a young QB with potential...even if he is a 1st rounder...when you have an experienced QB that is playing well.

Jimmy40 pretty much thinks that they shouldnt have really tried to win their games...just suck it up for a loss.

Can you imagine how sorry this league would be if everyone did that.

Ah...we arent going to win the Superbowl this year...lets just play all our rookies and hope for a high draft pick. Lets tank it. There is just something wrong with that mentalitly.

You have to try your best to win every game. Once that game is out of reach..then you can play your young guys...but not before.

There is something to be said for when the seasons quickly dying to get PT for young players, whether it leads to a better draft pick or not. I feel we are wasting snaps on Vinny right now. Hes not that good this year, we aren't likely to go anywhere, so why not get the snaps to someone who will be here for more than this season and maybe next?

Kitna doesn't exactly fit the same argument, but the idea holds. Young QB's require game snaps to get some seasoning more than any other postion. Why not get them those snaps in the middle/end of a lost season rather than forcing a second and maybe third lost season beacuse you have to try to win every single game with your older vets.

[Fletch]

uh... hellllooooo. john kitna actually played pretty well last year. dig up his stats. i'm kind of amazed he hasn't regained the starters job.

Yep, Mr. Kitna played them all the way to mediocre status. 8-8 is a helluva record. Woohoooo!

[SMCowboy]

There is something to be said for when the seasons quickly dying to get PT for young players, whether it leads to a better draft pick or not. I feel we are wasting snaps on Vinny right now. Hes not that good this year, we aren't likely to go anywhere, so why not get the snaps to someone who will be here for more than this season and maybe next?

Kitna doesn't exactly fit the same argument, but the idea holds. Young QB's require game snaps to get some seasoning more than any other postion. Why not get them those snaps in the middle/end of a lost season rather than forcing a second and maybe third lost season beacuse you have to try to win every single game with your older vets.

Why have Vinny at QB, and keep Drew Henson on the bench. Because Henson simply is NOT ready to be thrown out into the fire. Not to mention despite what alot of people feel in this forum, their IS a LOT of things that a young QB can learn by sitting on the bench. And as Parcells has said, you cetrainly can tell if a QB has potential without them being in a live game.

Their are some things that are better learned on the bench, and somethings better learned on the field.

[jimmy40]

Palmer wasn't ready last year. Hell...he probably wasn't ready to start early on THIS year. They should have had Kitna start again...and just work Palmer in a little more slowly.

They didnt get the chance last year because a lot of those wins they had were close ones...many times come from behind if I remember correctly.

You just dont play a young QB with potential...even if he is a 1st rounder...when you have an experienced QB that is playing well.

Jimmy40 pretty much thinks that they shouldnt have really tried to win their games...just suck it up for a loss.

Can you imagine how sorry this league would be if everyone did that.

Ah...we arent going to win the Superbowl this year...lets just play all our rookies and hope for a high draft pick. Lets tank it. There is just something wrong with that mentalitly.

You have to try your best to win every game. Once that game is out of reach..then you can play your young guys...but not before.Wow that's incredible. You can tell what I'm thinking but you can't even read what I typed. I said he should have played some, and he should have. If you think Henson is going to start next year then you damn well better start playing him SOME this year while the rest of the team has something to play for. Nothing worse then bringing in a rookie after the rest of the team has quit. Now if you think Vinny is going to start again next year then by all means let Henson stand on the sidelines with his thumb up his arse.

[big dog cowboy]

Yep, Mr. Kitna played them all the way to mediocre status. 8-8 is a helluva record. Woohoooo!

In Cincinnati it is. He was hailed a hero and savior last year. It was the Bungles first non 10 game (or more) losing season in 10 years. Last January, Bungle fans we actually starting to believe in their team again. Last January, Bungle fans started to believe that talk of going to the playoffs wasn't just wishful thinking. Last January, Bungle fans thought their team had finally turned the corner.

8-8 was much much more than a helluva record last year. It was an act of God. And Bungle fans bought it hook, line and sinker.

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Wow that's incredible. You can tell what I'm thinking but you can't even read what I typed. I said he should have played some, and he should have. If you think Henson is going to start next year then you damn well better start playing him SOME this year while the rest of the team has something to play for. Nothing worse then bringing in a rookie after the rest of the team has quit. Now if you think Vinny is going to start again next year then by all means let Henson stand on the sidelines with his thumb up his arse.
I agree with you Jimmy40. I have always thought that if a guy is capable to be drafted in the top five of the draft, he should be ready. His contract would seem to agree with me too.

[Duane]

This sounds a lot like our rants arounds here. Other threads they had were not very becoming of Carson Palmer. This gives me some hope that a win is in store next week(4-4 and in the thick of the wildcard race-we can not catch Philadelphia this year). Other parts of their site gave the impression the o-line does not block well for the run/pass game.

Here are some of the quotes:

Wow we cant apply pressure. We cant fill our gaps. I swear, our of the 7 up front, i think 4-5 need replaced. Its makin me sick seeing the Titans get 5-6 yards a pop on the run and Volek able to sit up in the pocket for a good 8 seconds to eat his lunch and then throw the ball. I dont get why were not blitzing like we did during the broncos game. Man this kinda crap drives me crazy!!!


There is really only one big thing wrong with the defense. We have extremely undersized linebackers, and undersized defensive linemen. It's a horrible combination as our guys just get swallowed up on running plays. Since we can't stop the run, it's hard to get much pressure on the QB. All in all, it adds up to a terrible defense. It's surprising that Marvin Lewis built this defense, as his Baltimore defense was helmed by a very strong defensive line with Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa, with speedy linebackers behind them. Frankly, Lewis just messed up in the offseason.

The NFL is a win now/start now league with the salary cap but you can't always rush good players.

I think that they're making a mistake not playing Kitna right now. McNair only started six games his first two years and he turned out all right. Palmer is in the same boat, someone with the skill but needs more time.

As for their defense I'm shocked it's as bad as it is. Lewis was a great defensive coach and most defensive coaches start with a strong defense - Fox, Del Rio, Bellicheck, etc... I hope their defensive futility last at least one more game against us.

[BUSDRIV3RDH]

I'm sorry call me old skool, but if you have a possible franchise qb that comes out a top or near top pick like Palmer, you don't sit him for a year, you throw him to the fire the same way we did with Aikman...but of course we had a coach with some b*lls back then too.

The only time you sacrafice exprience is when the guy hasn't played for a few years. Seriously, what sense does it make sitting a guy who just got done playing 3-4 years of college ball, especially at the QB position were "rust" is such an obvious concern.

If you bank a high draft pick on a guy saying he's going to be your future, you walk the walk afterwards too. Jimmy walked the walk. So we had a 1-15 season, better then having back to back ones. And hell we're talking about a team that was able to get to 8-8 with Kitna last year, 10x better situation then what Troy was forced into and he sure turned out alright.

This is the NFL people, not a freaking daycare center...coddling not allowed.

[jimmy40]

I agree with you Jimmy40. I have always thought that if a guy is capable to be drafted in the top five of the draft, he should be ready. His contract would seem to agree with me too.I've never said that Henson should be starting, just that he should be playing some. We have Cincy next week and then Philly and Baltimore. In case Vinny gets hurt I would suggest Henson's first snaps in the NFL NOT come against Philly or Baltimore. But that's just my opinion.

[Hostile]

I'm sorry call me old skool, but if you have a possible franchise qb that comes out a top or near top pick like Palmer, you don't sit him for a year, you throw him to the fire the same way we did with Aikman...but of course we had a coach with some b*lls back then too.

The only time you sacrafice exprience is when the guy hasn't played for a few years. Seriously, what sense does it make sitting a guy who just got done playing 3-4 years of college ball, especially at the QB position were "rust" is such an obvious concern.

If you bank a high draft pick on a guy saying he's going to be your future, you walk the walk afterwards too. Jimmy walked the walk. So we had a 1-15 season, better then having back to back ones. And hell we're talking about a team that was able to get to 8-8 with Kitna last year, 10x better situation then what Troy was forced into and he sure turned out alright.

This is the NFL people, not a freaking daycare center...coddling not allowed.
I like this post.

No guts, no glory.

[Nav22]

Palmer shouldn't be out there. With the way Jon Kitna played last year, it's absolutely ridiculous that Palmer was just handed the QB job.

"But he's the future! They spent a #1 pick on him!"
Great. If he's so ready to take over an 8-8 team on the rise, let him compete for the job. If he's ready to go, he should have no problem beating out Jon Kitna for the starting job.

The future is now. They went 8-8 last year, Kitna was a very nice surprise, and they thank him by benching him because of Palmer's status- NOT his play.

Great message to send to your team. "Play like a Pro Bowler, and you'll at least get to compete to keep your job (er..as long as there are no highly-touted 2nd year guys with no experience whatsoever playing your same position)."

I hope Palmer ends up being a huge bust and the Bengals go in the tank for the next decade.

Kitna had a great year- the Bengals owed it to him to at least let him compete for the job.