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WoodysGirl
05-07-2008, 02:00 PM
By Andrew Stern
34 minutes ago



CHICAGO (Reuters) - Many Democrats are frustrated and fatigued by the longest U.S. presidential nomination battle most have witnessed, and the divisions in its wake have left some wondering if they can back the ultimate winner.

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"I backed Hillary in the (Wisconsin) primary, but no matter which one gets in, I'm unimpressed by both of them at this point," said Linda Mrochinski, who works for a nonprofit organization in Milwaukee.

"Instead of a policy-based and a 'what we can do' campaign, it's become a campaign of the women versus the blacks. It's just not a very comfortable campaign at this point," she added.

Random interviews conducted after Tuesday night's split voting, in which New York Sen. Hillary Clinton eked out a victory in Indiana and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama won handily in North Carolina, showed many voters would like the Democrats to get it over with.

"Pick somebody, because I think it's probably hurting them in November," said 23-year-old Chicago software developer Matt Sawin, an Obama supporter who said he would back Clinton if she won the nomination to run against Republican presidential candidate John McCain in the November election. "It's going to be messy, no matter what."

In exit polls of Democratic primary voters in Indiana and North Carolina by ABC, more than six in 10 said they would be satisfied with either Obama or Clinton as the nominee, leaving substantial numbers unsatisfied. In Clinton and Obama matchups against McCain, anywhere from a quarter to three in 10 Democrats said they wouldn't vote, or would support McCain.

Merlyn Ware, 37, of Robbinsdale, Minnesota, a town northwest of Minneapolis, is an Obama supporter who said he would not back Clinton if Obama loses the nomination.

"I wouldn't vote for a Republican. I'm going to vote, but maybe for a third party" in that case, he said.

After Tuesday's contests, Clinton vowed to fight on though Obama widened his lead in pledged delegates to the party nominating convention in August.

Many Democrats say the battle has dragged on too long. "I think it needs to end, like, within the next week," said Lisa Gibson, 33, a homemaker in Louisville, Kentucky.

"I care for both candidates actually. I would rather have them come together on the same ticket because I think if any more really bad campaigning goes on I think it's going to alienate one or the other," she said.

WIN-WIN?

"For me it's a win-win," said Allyn Travis, the director of the Montessori Institute of Milwaukee. "Obama is my preference because I love his optimism ... the Clintons have baggage. But, if it comes down to a choice between Hillary and McCain, I'm with Hillary all the way."

But Clinton supporter Herb Buecher of Charleston, South Carolina, said he would no longer back Obama after hearing controversial remarks by Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

"I can't support a man who sits for 20 years and listens to that rhetoric and then says he didn't hear it," he said of Wright's comments, which have included the assertion the U.S. government purposefully spread the AIDS virus to blacks and the September 11 attacks were payback for U.S. foreign policy.

Buecher said he would vote for McCain if Obama wins the party nod.

Clinton's gender and Obama's race -- she is vying to become the first woman president, he the first black president -- may be a factor in hardening some voters' loyalties.

Others were turned off by what they saw as Clinton's harsh attacks in the back-and-forth between the two Democrats.

"I don't like her politics. She's nasty," said Susan Crozier, 68, who works at a law firm in Blaine, Minnesota, and backs Obama.

Crozier and some others not aligned with either party said that in spite of the infighting among Democrats, they could not stand having another Republican in the White House out of dislike for President George W. Bush.

"Either way, whatever Democrat wins the nomination I'm ready for a change of party in the White House. Normally I vote for the person and not the party, but not this time," said Dean Davis, 42, a health care worker in Nashville, Tennessee.

(Additional reporting by Michael Conlon in Chicago, John Rondy in Milwaukee, Pat Harris in Nashville, Todd Melby in Minneapolis, and Steve Robrahn in Louisville; Editing by Cynthia Osterman)

Danny White
05-07-2008, 02:30 PM
This nominating process has been an unmitigated disaster for the Democrats.

I'm really wondering what Hillary's endgame is here.

At this point, she can only be hoping for a complete implosion by Obama.

It's like being 1st runner up for Miss America and your only hope is that the winner gets caught in some kind of drug and sex scandal.

WoodysGirl
05-07-2008, 05:21 PM
Analysis: Democrats quietly send word to Clinton it's over

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent
1 hour, 28 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Apart from George McGovern, a plainspoken man who knows something about losing elections, not a single Democrat of national stature publicly urged Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday to end her campaign for the White House.

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They didn't have to.

There was no shortage of other ways to signal, suggest, insinuate or instigate the same thing. And certainly no need to apply unseemly pressure to a historic political figure, a woman who has run a grueling race, won millions of votes and drawn uncounted numbers of new Democratic voters to the polls.

Instead, many Democrats instead preferred to say softly what the party's 1972 presidential nominee said for all to hear. Barack Obama has won the nomination "by any practical test," McGovern said.

"Hillary, of course, will make the decision as to if and when she ends her campaign," he added. "But I hope that she reaches that decision soon so that we can concentrate on a unified party capable of winning the White House next November."

Its campaign quarry finally cornered, the Obama high command gave it space. The Illinois senator was on track to become the first black presidential nominee of a major party and aides produced a small trickle of superdelegate supporters. But there was nary a word about hastening Clinton's departure.

"I think that it would be inappropriate and awkward and wrong for any of us to tell Senator Clinton when it is time for the race to be over," said Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, speaking on a campaign-sponsored conference call with reporters.

"This is her decision and it is only her decision. And we are confident that she is going to do the right thing for the Democratic nominee. We are confident she will help work hard to unite our party."

Sen. Chuck Schumer, a staunch supporter of his fellow New Yorker, said, "It's her decision to make and I'll accept what decision she makes." Asked about her chances of still capturing the Democratic nomination, the normally loquacious Schumer fell silent.

Other Democrats preferred to speak more freely, but only on condition of anonymity. They, too, said that Tuesday's primaries in North Carolina and Indiana had effectively sealed the outcome.

They predicted an acceleration in the pace of superdelegates to his side — he gained four during the day, to two for Clinton. And wondered about her ability to raise sufficient campaign funds — she disclosed having loaned herself another $6.4 million in recent weeks, despite an earlier boast that 80,000 new donors came to her aid after she won the Pennsylvania primary on April 22.

Clinton's arguments for staying in the race were disappearing.

Obama lengthened his overall lead in delegates in the two states that held primaries on Tuesday, and by day's end, had drawn to within about a dozen of the former first lady in superdelegate support. He had 1,846.5 in The Associated Press' count, to 1,696 for Clinton, out of 2,025 needed for the nomination.

Additionally, his 240,000-vote victory in North Carolina, coupled with her narrow, 18,000-vote triumph in Indiana, all but assured Obama will finish the primary season with a lead in the cumulative popular vote.

Five more states and Puerto Rico are yet to vote. But alone among them, Oregon figures prominently in any Democratic plan to amass 270 electoral votes in the fall, the number required to win the White House. Her persistent attempt to claim the unprovable, that she would more easily win in the fall than Obama, faded for reasons beyond her control.

For members of Congress, in this case Democrats, electability begins and sometimes even ends at home.

Which is why it did not pass unnoticed last weekend — with Obama trying to fend off controversy stemming from his former pastor — that a sustained conservative attempt to derail a Democratic House candidate in Louisiana by linking him to the presidential contender had fizzled.

Democrat Don Cazayoux is "with Barack Obama for a big government scheme" for health insurance, said a television advertisement run by Freedom's Watch. "Their plan raises income taxes and raises taxes on small business."

Cazayoux won anyway, and now holds a House seat in the Baton Rouge area that had been in Republican hands for three decades.

A separate ad, aired by the North Carolina Republican Party, showed Obama and his former preacher, as well as a brief video of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. "He's just too extreme for North Carolina," the narrator says in the 30-second spot.

Because the commercial was aimed at both the Democrats in the state gubernatorial primary, its impact was unclear.

Clinton vowed to press on, planting her flag in West Virginia, site of new week's contest, and announcing plans to visit other upcoming primary states on Thursday. She said controversies over the delegations from Michigan and Florida must be resolved.

"I'm staying in this race until there's a nominee and obviously I am going to work as hard as I can to become that nominee," she said.

That sounded fine to Rep. Mike Doyle of Pennsylvania, an uncommitted superdelegate.

"I think most of us out of respect for her are content to wait a little longer," he said.

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EDITOR'S NOTE: David Espo covers presidential politics for The Associated Press.

BrAinPaiNt
05-07-2008, 05:31 PM
This nominating process has been an unmitigated disaster for the Democrats.

I'm really wondering what Hillary's endgame is here.

At this point, she can only be hoping for a complete implosion by Obama.

It's like being 1st runner up for Miss America and your only hope is that the winner gets caught in some kind of drug and sex scandal.

Yeah I think she is hoping for some kind of October surprise, just an earlier month, however I see it playing out like old Cajun's October surprise a few years ago...the one that never happened.:D

big dog cowboy
05-07-2008, 07:26 PM
Tired voters say Democrats' primary fight divisive

I don't really buy that. I understand what is being said in the article. But the general election is still 6 months away. That is a long time. Look back 6 months ago and how much has changed and different people's perception has changed since then.

Cajuncowboy
05-07-2008, 08:53 PM
This nominating process has been an unmitigated disaster for the Democrats.

I'm really wondering what Hillary's endgame is here.

At this point, she can only be hoping for a complete implosion by Obama.

It's like being 1st runner up for Miss America and your only hope is that the winner gets caught in some kind of drug and sex scandal.

We can only hope! :D