Top three Republicans I love...

[quincyyyyy]

1. Abraham Lincoln
Instituted the first income tax
Freed the Slaves
Possibly the first gay president2. Teddy Roosevelt
One of the first environmentalists
Went after the big corporations
Started the Progressive party3. Dwight Eisenhower
Secretly (at times overtly) aided the civil rights movement
appointed Warren to the Supreme Court
Strengthened New Deal programs
Cutest campaign slogan everThere are a lot of good people in the Republican party, and these are just a few of the ones I love.

If you are a Republican, who are the top three Democrats you love?

[trickblue]

1. Abraham Lincoln
Instituted the first income tax
Freed the Slaves
Possibly the first gay president2. Teddy Roosevelt
One of the first environmentalists
Went after the big corporations
Started the Progressive party3. Dwight Eisenhower
Secretly (at times overtly) aided the civil rights movement
appointed Warren to the Supreme Court
Strengthened New Deal programs
Cutest campaign slogan everThere are a lot of good people in the Republican party, and these are just a few of the ones I love.

If you are a Republican, who are the top three Democrats you love?

I'm not a Republican, but I've always admired Scoop Jackson, Harry S Truman (although I didn't like his position on race, but rather his willingness to make tough decisions), Zell Miller and Pete Geren...

I know their are more that I am missing... this is off the top of my head...

[quincyyyyy]

I'm not a Republican, but I've always admired Scoop Jackson, Harry S Truman (although I didn't like his position on race, but rather his willingness to make tough decisions), Zell Miller and Pete Geren...

I know their are more that I am missing... this is off the top of my head...

I don't like Zell Miller for the same reason I don't like Robert Byrd. They were both segregationists. And IMO they would have to perform some great act of atonement to rectify their misdeeds, and they haven't.

Plus Miller is a little crazy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuBnlNjZq24

[quincyyyyy]

Oh and its great that we live in a day when Conservatives refuse to identify themselves as Republicans. McCain is going to have some problems this November if Consevatives are that disillusioned with the Republican party.

[trickblue]

Oh and its great that we live in a day when Conservatives refuse to identify themselves as Republicans. McCain is going to have some problems this November if Consevatives are that disillusioned with the Republican party.

I'm a "Conservatarian™"... ;)

Unless Conservative scare themselves into voting for McCain (and I think many will), he will have a tough road...

I'm one of those that will not scare myself into that...

[Danny White]

Collin Peterson isn't bad. (Minnesota Congressman)

[Bizwah]

1. Abraham Lincoln
Instituted the first income tax
Freed the Slaves
Possibly the first gay president2. Teddy Roosevelt
One of the first environmentalists
Went after the big corporations
Started the Progressive party3. Dwight Eisenhower
Secretly (at times overtly) aided the civil rights movement
appointed Warren to the Supreme Court
Strengthened New Deal programs
Cutest campaign slogan everThere are a lot of good people in the Republican party, and these are just a few of the ones I love.

If you are a Republican, who are the top three Democrats you love?

Lincoln gay?

LOL! He was very in love with his wife! You may have him confused with his predecessor, James Buchannon....who actually had rumors about him (and his long time roommate Rufus King) being gay. He was a Democrat....and perhaps the worst president the country ever had.

Contrary to public opinion Lincoln did not free ONE slave. The Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves in the states that were rebelling against the Union. The slaves in MO, KY, and DE were still slaves. The slaves were freed by the thirteenth amendment to the constitution.

Now, I love Lincoln and don't mean to downplay his contribution to ending slavery. He made it possible.........

Of course, I'm sure you were doing this just to get a rise....

[quincyyyyy]

Lincoln gay?

LOL! He was very in love with his wife! You may have him confused with his predecessor, James Buchannon....who actually had rumors about him (and his long time roommate Rufus King) being gay. He was a Democrat....and perhaps the worst president the country ever had.

Contrary to public opinion Lincoln did not free ONE slave. The Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves in the states that were rebelling against the Union. The slaves in MO, KY, and DE were still slaves. The slaves were freed by the thirteenth amendment to the constitution.

Now, I love Lincoln and don't mean to downplay his contribution to ending slavery. He made it possible.........

Of course, I'm sure you were doing this just to get a rise....

I think there is a lot of evidence that he was in fact gay. Though no one can say for certain whether he was or wasn't gay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Abraham_Lincoln

[trickblue]

I think there is a lot of evidence that he was in fact gay. Though no one can say for certain whether he was or wasn't gay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Abraham_Lincoln

Wikipedia? ;)

I've heard them before but noted historians say it is little more than wishful heresay...

I don't personally care much for Lincoln...

[iceberg]

Oh and its great that we live in a day when Conservatives refuse to identify themselves as Republicans. McCain is going to have some problems this November if Consevatives are that disillusioned with the Republican party.

oh great. we live in a day where people can only understand black/white and the rest of the world befuddles them.

[Hostile]

I don't even know how to answer this as an Independant. I don't care about political affiliations.

[AtlCB]

I'm neither Democrat nor Republican, so I will just post my favorites:

1. Thomas Jefferson
2. John F. Kennedy
3. Ronald Reagan
4. Bobby Kennedy
5. Colin Powell

[AtlCB]

In case anyone is interested, I took the liberty of posting Brainpaint's favorite politicians:

1. Robert Byrd
2. George Bush, Jr.
3. Hillary Clinton
4. Al Gore
5. David Duke (thanks, Trick)

[trickblue]

In case anyone is interested, I took the liberty of posting Brainpaint's favorite politicians:

1. Robert Byrd
2. George Bush, Jr.
3. Hillary Clinton
4. Al Gore
5. Rush Limbaugh

Limbaugh isn't a politician... replace that name with David Duke...

[Chief]

I think there is a lot of evidence that he was in fact gay. Though no one can say for certain whether he was or wasn't gay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Abraham_Lincoln

I've read quite a bit about Lincoln and of course, Joshua Speed.

There is no solid evidence that he was gay.

[Danny White]

I think there is a lot of evidence that he was in fact gay. Though no one can say for certain whether he was or wasn't gay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Abraham_Lincoln

I read through that site and didn't find any "evidence" that he was "in fact" gay.

Please list one piece of "evidence" that he was gay. Just one, that's all I ask.

[vta]

I read through that site and didn't find any "evidence" that he was "in fact" gay.

Please list one piece of "evidence" that he was gay. Just one, that's all I ask.

Don't waste your time, it's nothing new for gays to try to legitemize their sexuality by claiming historical figures, that can never be verified, were gay.

As if what he did in the sack would have had any bearing on his ability to govern. It's just baiting.

[Danny White]

Don't waste your time, it's nothing new for gays to try to legitemize their sexuality by claiming historical figures, that can never be verified, were gay.

As if what he did in the sack would have had any bearing on his ability to govern. It's just baiting.

I know. It just cracks me up when people throw around words like "evidence" and "in fact" when they have no evidence and no facts. :bang2:

[iceberg]

I read through that site and didn't find any "evidence" that he was "in fact" gay.

Please list one piece of "evidence" that he was gay. Just one, that's all I ask.

get used to disappointment.

[Danny White]

get used to disappointment.

I did find a video on YouTube, though, that clearly shows that George Washington was gay.

[Hostile]

I did find a video on YouTube, though, that clearly shows that George Washington was gay.I saw it too.

Link (http://youtube.com/watch?v=SDwcJcry3fA)

[Danny White]

I saw it too.

Link (http://youtube.com/watch?v=SDwcJcry3fA)

I love that song.


Does that make ME gay?

[Hostile]

I love that song.


Does that make ME gay?No, it just means your taste is all in your mouth.

[vta]

No, it just means your taste is all in your mouth.

:lmao:

[quincyyyyy]

Don't waste your time, it's nothing new for gays to try to legitemize their sexuality by claiming historical figures, that can never be verified, were gay.

As if what he did in the sack would have had any bearing on his ability to govern. It's just baiting.

Actually I am straight. I don't think there is sufficient evidence to say he is straight either. But based on everything that I have read, I am more inclined to think he is gay. One has to be in denial to think that position has no credence given all the evidence.

Mr. Tripp cites Lincoln's extreme privacy and accounts by those who knew him well. "He was not very fond of girls, as he seemed to me," his stepmother, Sarah Bush Lincoln, told Lincoln's law partner William Herndon.

Mr. Tripp charts Lincoln's relationships with other men, including Billy Greene, with whom Lincoln supposedly shared a bed in New Salem, Ill. Herndon said Greene told him that Lincoln's thighs "were as perfect as a human being Could be."

Lincoln's fellow lawyer Henry C. Whitney observed once that Lincoln "wooed me to close intimacy and familiarity."
Then there is Lincoln's youthful humorous ballad from 1829, "First Chronicles of Reuben," in which he refers to a man named Biley marrying another man named Natty: "but biley has married a boy/ the girles he had tried on every Side/ but none could he get to agree/ all was in vain he went home again/and sens that he is married to Natty."

Mr. Tripp tries to debunk the popular opinion among scholars that Lincoln's lifelong depressions were caused by the death of his first love, Ann Rutledge. He writes that at the time she was supposedly involved with Lincoln, she was engaged to John McNamar and that her name appears nowhere in Lincoln's letters.


Mr. Tripp cites a second description of the relationship in an 1895 history of Derickson's regiment, the 150th Pennsylvania Volunteers, by Thomas Chamberlain, Derickson's commanding officer: "Captain Derickson, in particular, advanced so far in the president's confidence and esteem that, in Mrs. Lincoln's absence, he frequently spent the night at his cottage, sleeping in the same bed with him and - it is said - making use of his Excellency's night-shirts!"When Derickson was to be transferred, Lincoln pulled strings to keep him.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/16/books/16linc.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&oref=slogin




Was Lincoln gay?
http://www.salon.com/books/it/1999/04/30/lincoln/lincoln2.gif
Firebrand Larry Kramer says he has the evidence to prove it. Lincoln scholars are holding their fire until they see it. Get ready for the second Civil War.


- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Carol Lloyd

May 3, 1999 | The 28-year-old traveler was tall, with rough hands, a chiseled jaw and unforgettable, deep-set, melancholy eyes. He arrived in town, his worldly possessions in two battered suitcases, and inquired at a general store about buying some bedding. But the price was far beyond his budget. The strikingly handsome 23-year-old merchant took pity on the man and invited him into his own bed, free of charge, which happened to be just upstairs. The traveler inspected the bed and, looking into the merchant's sparkling blue eyes, agreed on the spot. For the next four years the two men shared that bed along with their most private fears and desires.


If this sounds like the opening of a homoerotic dime-store novel whose subsequent scenes feature fiery loins and ecstatic eruptions, hold your panting. The year is 1837, the place Springfield, Ill., and the leading men none other than our 16th president, Abraham Lincoln, and his lifelong friend Joshua Speed....

Like most of Lincoln's early private life, the story of his friendship with Speed is a murky one -- although not nearly as murky as Lincoln's early liaisons with women. After four years of living in intimate quarters, Speed announced plans to sell the store and return to his home in Kentucky, where his family owned a large plantation. Lincoln, who was notoriously awkward and shy around women, was at the time engaged to a vivacious, if temperamental, society girl named Mary Todd, but as the date of Speed's departure and the marriage approached, Lincoln cracked. He wanted to break the engagement by letter, but at Speed's entreaty, he went to Mary Todd and told her face to face he did not love her. Some argue that Lincoln had fallen in love with another woman. Soon after, Speed departed, leaving Lincoln mired in depression and guilt.


Seven months later Lincoln traveled to Speed's home in Kentucky, where he spent a month being nursed back to health. After that the two men corresponded affectionately for decades, chronicling their most personal internal conflicts -- including their abject fear of marriage, which they ominously refer to in their correspondence (always emphasized) as forebodings. Speed was the first to approach the altar successfully, an ordeal that Lincoln coached him through with tender but not altogether convincing letters of encouragement. It seemed that Speed was on the verge of a premarital meltdown similar to Lincoln's. "If you went through the ceremony calmly, or even with sufficient composure not to excite alarm in anyone present, you are safe, beyond question," Lincoln wrote just after the date of Speed's betrothal, "and in two or three months, to say the most, will be the happiest of men." Subsequent clandestine letters inquired whether Speed really was "happier or, if you think the term preferable, less miserable." Both men eventually married and had children; they remained close until they had a falling-out in 1855 over the issue of slavery.


A shared bed, tortured secret letters and a fear of women -- what more proof could scholars want?

http://www.salon.com/books/it/1999/04/30/lincoln/

[trickblue]

Actually I am straight. I don't think there is sufficient evidence to say he is straight either. But based on everything that I have read, I am more inclined to think he is gay. One has to be in denial to think that position has no credence given all the evidence.

Mr. Tripp cites Lincoln's extreme privacy and accounts by those who knew him well. "He was not very fond of girls, as he seemed to me," his stepmother, Sarah Bush Lincoln, told Lincoln's law partner William Herndon.

Mr. Tripp charts Lincoln's relationships with other men, including Billy Greene, with whom Lincoln supposedly shared a bed in New Salem, Ill. Herndon said Greene told him that Lincoln's thighs "were as perfect as a human being Could be."

Lincoln's fellow lawyer Henry C. Whitney observed once that Lincoln "wooed me to close intimacy and familiarity."
Then there is Lincoln's youthful humorous ballad from 1829, "First Chronicles of Reuben," in which he refers to a man named Biley marrying another man named Natty: "but biley has married a boy/ the girles he had tried on every Side/ but none could he get to agree/ all was in vain he went home again/and sens that he is married to Natty."

Mr. Tripp tries to debunk the popular opinion among scholars that Lincoln's lifelong depressions were caused by the death of his first love, Ann Rutledge. He writes that at the time she was supposedly involved with Lincoln, she was engaged to John McNamar and that her name appears nowhere in Lincoln's letters.


Mr. Tripp cites a second description of the relationship in an 1895 history of Derickson's regiment, the 150th Pennsylvania Volunteers, by Thomas Chamberlain, Derickson's commanding officer: "Captain Derickson, in particular, advanced so far in the president's confidence and esteem that, in Mrs. Lincoln's absence, he frequently spent the night at his cottage, sleeping in the same bed with him and - it is said - making use of his Excellency's night-shirts!"When Derickson was to be transferred, Lincoln pulled strings to keep him.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/16/books/16linc.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&oref=slogin




Was Lincoln gay?
http://www.salon.com/books/it/1999/04/30/lincoln/lincoln2.gif
Firebrand Larry Kramer says he has the evidence to prove it. Lincoln scholars are holding their fire until they see it. Get ready for the second Civil War.


- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Carol Lloyd

May 3, 1999 | The 28-year-old traveler was tall, with rough hands, a chiseled jaw and unforgettable, deep-set, melancholy eyes. He arrived in town, his worldly possessions in two battered suitcases, and inquired at a general store about buying some bedding. But the price was far beyond his budget. The strikingly handsome 23-year-old merchant took pity on the man and invited him into his own bed, free of charge, which happened to be just upstairs. The traveler inspected the bed and, looking into the merchant's sparkling blue eyes, agreed on the spot. For the next four years the two men shared that bed along with their most private fears and desires.


If this sounds like the opening of a homoerotic dime-store novel whose subsequent scenes feature fiery loins and ecstatic eruptions, hold your panting. The year is 1837, the place Springfield, Ill., and the leading men none other than our 16th president, Abraham Lincoln, and his lifelong friend Joshua Speed....

Like most of Lincoln's early private life, the story of his friendship with Speed is a murky one -- although not nearly as murky as Lincoln's early liaisons with women. After four years of living in intimate quarters, Speed announced plans to sell the store and return to his home in Kentucky, where his family owned a large plantation. Lincoln, who was notoriously awkward and shy around women, was at the time engaged to a vivacious, if temperamental, society girl named Mary Todd, but as the date of Speed's departure and the marriage approached, Lincoln cracked. He wanted to break the engagement by letter, but at Speed's entreaty, he went to Mary Todd and told her face to face he did not love her. Some argue that Lincoln had fallen in love with another woman. Soon after, Speed departed, leaving Lincoln mired in depression and guilt.


Seven months later Lincoln traveled to Speed's home in Kentucky, where he spent a month being nursed back to health. After that the two men corresponded affectionately for decades, chronicling their most personal internal conflicts -- including their abject fear of marriage, which they ominously refer to in their correspondence (always emphasized) as forebodings. Speed was the first to approach the altar successfully, an ordeal that Lincoln coached him through with tender but not altogether convincing letters of encouragement. It seemed that Speed was on the verge of a premarital meltdown similar to Lincoln's. "If you went through the ceremony calmly, or even with sufficient composure not to excite alarm in anyone present, you are safe, beyond question," Lincoln wrote just after the date of Speed's betrothal, "and in two or three months, to say the most, will be the happiest of men." Subsequent clandestine letters inquired whether Speed really was "happier or, if you think the term preferable, less miserable." Both men eventually married and had children; they remained close until they had a falling-out in 1855 over the issue of slavery.


A shared bed, tortured secret letters and a fear of women -- what more proof could scholars want?

http://www.salon.com/books/it/1999/04/30/lincoln/

Larry Kramer has never been shy about expressing his opinion. He claims to have proof but hasn't produced this proof going on ten years now. It seems out of character for him if he actually has it.

[vta]

Actually I am straight. I don't think there is sufficient evidence to say he is straight either. But based on everything that I have read, I am more inclined to think he is gay. One has to be in denial to think that position has no credence given all the evidence.

There also exists no sufficient evidence to prove that Hillary isn't an hermaphrodite, trying to prove a negative is kind of an exercise in futility.

I really wouldn't care who did what with whom in their bed, as it doesn't correlate with all aspects of that persons importance.

The fact that you would list the possibility as a reason for your love for him is in itself, either extremely disingenuous - loving someone for what they did in the sack is really a legitimate form of admiration or are you trying to ingratiate yourself with certain outspoken demographic? - or you're gay yourself.

Hitler might very well have been gay - (no proof that he wasn't!) -, shall we laude him for imbibing in anal sex, despite his atrocities?

As for your evidence, gossip doesn't count. At some point in the future, the recorded rantings of all attention seekers of today might very well be taken with some amount of truth or seriousness, given enough time to pass for the ridiculousness of it to have no real barrier of reason to diminish it. Namely the people of this era that know better.

[iceberg]

Actually I am straight.

actually you're a neo-maxi-zune-dweedie.

[quincyyyyy]

There also exists no sufficient evidence to prove that Hillary isn't an hermaphrodite, trying to prove a negative is kind of an exercise in futility.

I really wouldn't care who did what with whom in their bed, as it doesn't correlate with all aspects of that persons importance.

The fact that you would list the possibility as a reason for your love for him is in itself, either extremely disingenuous - loving someone for what they did in the sack is really a legitimate form of admiration or are you trying to ingratiate yourself with certain outspoken demographic? - or you're gay yourself.

Hitler might very well have been gay - (no proof that he wasn't!) -, shall we laude him for imbibing in anal sex, despite his atrocities?

As for your evidence, gossip doesn't count. At some point in the future, the recorded rantings of all attention seekers of today might very well be taken with some amount of truth or seriousness, given enough time to pass for the ridiculousness of it to have no real barrier of reason to diminish it. Namely the people of this era that know better.

I admire him for living and succeeding in a bigoted world that hates his kind.

[quincyyyyy]

There also exists no sufficient evidence to prove that Hillary isn't an hermaphrodite, trying to prove a negative is kind of an exercise in futility.




As for your evidence, gossip doesn't count.

And there is no sufficient evidence that Lincoln is straight. Whats your point?

And it isn't Gossip. Those are first hand accounts from his lovers, his close friends, and relatives. Now you are just in denial.

[vta]

And there is no sufficient evidence that Lincoln is straight. Whats your point?

Then we can characterize Hillary as an hermaphrodite until proven otherwise? How about we characterize George Bush as a God, until such proof of a contradiction exists? I mean after all, he manages to do what he wishes, with very little resistence, is blamed for great floods and catastrophe's. By all means, disprove that George Bush is God.

And it isn't Gossip. Those are first hand accounts from his lovers, his close friends, and relatives. Now you are just in denial.

The supermarket tabloids are full of 'first hand accounts'.
You didn't really think that such nonsense was a concept derived of the current generations did you? Gossip has a longer history than prostitution.

And if Lincoln were gay, he certainly wasn't opne about it. What would be so admirable about someone living in denial of his own nature?

[Hostile]

Then we can characterize Hillary as an hermaphrodite until proven otherwise? How about we characterize George Bush as a God, until such proof of a contradiction exists? I mean after all, he manages to do what he wishes, with very little resistence, is blamed for great floods and catastrophe's. By all means, disprove that George Bush is God.



The supermarket tabloids are full of 'first hand accounts'.
You didn't really think that such nonsense was a concept derived of the current generations did you? Gossip has a longer history than prostitution.

And if Lincoln were gay, he certainly wasn't opne about it. What would be so admirable about someone living in denial of his own nature?Owned.

[Bizwah]

Actually I am straight. I don't think there is sufficient evidence to say he is straight either. But based on everything that I have read, I am more inclined to think he is gay. One has to be in denial to think that position has no credence given all the evidence.

Yes, let's ignore the fact that he was happily married for years and years. Let's also not forget that he and his wife Mary Todd were mortified by the fact that they engaged in premarital sex. Lincoln, was after all, a religious man.


Mr. Tripp cites Lincoln's extreme privacy and accounts by those who knew him well. "He was not very fond of girls, as he seemed to me," his stepmother, Sarah Bush Lincoln, told Lincoln's law partner William Herndon.

Mr. Tripp charts Lincoln's relationships with other men, including Billy Greene, with whom Lincoln supposedly shared a bed in New Salem, Ill. Herndon said Greene told him that Lincoln's thighs "were as perfect as a human being Could be."

Lincoln's fellow lawyer Henry C. Whitney observed once that Lincoln "wooed me to close intimacy and familiarity."
Then there is Lincoln's youthful humorous ballad from 1829, "First Chronicles of Reuben," in which he refers to a man named Biley marrying another man named Natty: "but biley has married a boy/ the girles he had tried on every Side/ but none could he get to agree/ all was in vain he went home again/and sens that he is married to Natty."

Our society is so obsessed with sex that we see it in places that probably were meant in an innocent way.

Being uninterested in girls simply could mean that he had OTHER interests. I can say that I wasn't interested in girls until college. Was I gay? No...I simply liked sports better....I had no time for girls.

Sharing a bed with another man wasn't out of the ordinary years ago. People shared beds all the time out of necessity. Just because you sleep with someone doesn't mean there's sex involved.

As far as the thighs comment....come on...How can that possibly be interpreted as a "sexual" comment? Sheesh....Jerry Jones just commented on Felix Jones' butt. I guess he's a homo now?

Again, no evidence at all with any of this....This author is taking snippets from Lincoln's life and twisting them in a hope of justifying his position.

Mr. Tripp tries to debunk the popular opinion among scholars that Lincoln's lifelong depressions were caused by the death of his first love, Ann Rutledge. He writes that at the time she was supposedly involved with Lincoln, she was engaged to John McNamar and that her name appears nowhere in Lincoln's letters.





Seven months later Lincoln traveled to Speed's home in Kentucky, where he spent a month being nursed back to health. After that the two men corresponded affectionately for decades, chronicling their most personal internal conflicts -- including their abject fear of marriage, which they ominously refer to in their correspondence (always emphasized) as forebodings. Speed was the first to approach the altar successfully, an ordeal that Lincoln coached him through with tender but not altogether convincing letters of encouragement. It seemed that Speed was on the verge of a premarital meltdown similar to Lincoln's. "If you went through the ceremony calmly, or even with sufficient composure not to excite alarm in anyone present, you are safe, beyond question," Lincoln wrote just after the date of Speed's betrothal, "and in two or three months, to say the most, will be the happiest of men." Subsequent clandestine letters inquired whether Speed really was "happier or, if you think the term preferable, less miserable." Both men eventually married and had children; they remained close until they had a falling-out in 1855 over the issue of slavery.


A shared bed, tortured secret letters and a fear of women -- what more proof could scholars want?

This is the stupidest proof that was offered. Lincoln was gay because he had a close, personal friend and was afraid of marriage?

I guess about 75% of guys are gay now.

There is more proof that he was heterosexual than homosexual. We KNOW he had sex with a woman for sure.

Again...if you're actually wanting to find a GAY president that you can like just because he's a gay president, look at the 15th president.

James Buchannon had many people wondering during his own time about his sexuality. He was known around Washington as a "Dandy" (slang for gay at the time).

[Hostile]

And owned again.

:laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

And owned again.

:laugh2:

After some time it is no longer funny...it just is expected.

It's kind of funny because for the most part, with a few small caveats, he is getting blasted by most on here and not just one side of the political spectrum.

What's that line Juke uses from time to time...if everybody is telling you that you are drunk, maybe you should take a seat...something like that.

[quincyyyyy]

Then we can characterize Hillary as an hermaphrodite until proven otherwise? How about we characterize George Bush as a God, until such proof of a contradiction exists? I mean after all, he manages to do what he wishes, with very little resistence, is blamed for great floods and catastrophe's. By all means, disprove that George Bush is God.


Um... Whats your point? I am the one who is saying that you can't say with any certainty whether he is straight or gay based upon what we currently know. Although I am inclined to believe the former based on what I have read. YOU are the one who is saying he is certainly straight. YOU are the one who is saying that since I can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is gay he must be straight. I am the one who is saying there is no evidence to say with any certainty that he is either gay or straight. So thanks for proving my point. In fact I don't know why I bother responding to that point. I might as well let you argue with yourself.


The supermarket tabloids are full of 'first hand accounts'.
You didn't really think that such nonsense was a concept derived of the current generations did you? Gossip has a longer history than prostitution.

And if Lincoln were gay, he certainly wasn't opne about it. What would be so admirable about someone living in denial of his own nature?

Oh dear lord, now you are really stretching it. These are well researched pieces of literature based on primary sources (letters, journals, etc.). Get real.

He was not living in denial. He was living a secret life (if he was gay, which is debatable). He recognized who he was and lived a very successful life the best he could without putting himself out there to be persecuted. You nor I can blame him for that. I don't know what I would do in his shoes and neither do you, so stop acting all high and mighty (if he was in fact gay).

[Bizwah]

Um... Whats your point? I am the one who is saying that you can't say with any certainty whether he is straight or gay based upon what we currently know. Although I am inclined to believe the former based on what I have read. YOU are the one who is saying he is certainly straight. YOU are the one who is saying that since I can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is gay he must be straight. I am the one who is saying there is no evidence to say with any certainty that he is either gay or straight. So thanks for proving my point. In fact I don't know why I bother responding to that point. I might as well let you argue with yourself.



Oh dear lord, now you are really stretching it. These are well researched pieces of literature based on primary sources (letters, journals, etc.). Get real.

He was not living in denial. He was living a secret life (if he was gay, which is debatable). He recognized who he was and lived a very successful life the best he could without putting himself out there to be persecuted. You nor I can blame him for that. I don't know what I would do in his shoes and neither do you, so stop acting all high and mighty (if he was in fact gay).

Again, there's more proof....a lot more proof...that Lincoln was straight. There's virtually no proof of him being homosexual.

[burmafrd]

Brain the old saying is this:

If 25 people tell you you are drunk, its time to borrow a quarter and lay in the gutter.

[quincyyyyy]

Again, there's more proof....a lot more proof...that Lincoln was straight. There's virtually no proof of him being homosexual.

I have cited quotes from family, friends, and supposed lovers earlier in the thread that would indicate that he is gay. So your claim that there is virtually no proof that he is a homosexual is patently false.

And the "evidence" that you would cite as his hetero bona fides, is the same "evidence" I could use to prove that Larry Craig or Ted Haggard is straight (marriage, past female relationships, etc.).

You and I don't know whether he is gay or straight as it is almost impossible to really know someone's true feelings. But like I previously said, I have a sneaky suspicion its the former.

[burmafrd]

Your EVIDENCE is tainted and stained and flies in the face of MOST of the LEGITIMATE data out there that has been researched and vetted for decades. Yet you are right and everyone else is wrong. Pathetic.

[BrAinPaiNt]

The funniest thing about all of this is...so what if he was gay or was not gay.

Geez some people need to get over themselves.

[vta]

Um... Whats your point? I am the one who is saying that you can't say with any certainty whether he is straight or gay based upon what we currently know. Although I am inclined to believe the former based on what I have read. YOU are the one who is saying he is certainly straight. YOU are the one who is saying that since I can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is gay he must be straight. I am the one who is saying there is no evidence to say with any certainty that he is either gay or straight. So thanks for proving my point. In fact I don't know why I bother responding to that point. I might as well let you argue with yourself.

Something tells me my point went straight over your head.

Oh dear lord, now you are really stretching it. These are well researched pieces of literature based on primary sources (letters, journals, etc.). Get real.

Yes, I'll remember to get real; but I'm sure I'll think of you next time I'm on line in Wegmans looking at Bat Boy or some other bit of ridiculousness from some primary source of drivel, like the Enquirer.

Some day some goof is going to research David Lettermans stalker just as avidly. Who know's what kind of conclusions said goof can arrive at without the people of the time to set him straight...

[vta]

The funniest thing about all of this is...so what if he was gay or was not gay.

Geez some people need to get over themselves.

I think it was the thighs comment that set me off.
Sorry, I'll try to control myself...









:laugh1:

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think it was the thighs comment that set me off.
Sorry, I'll try to control myself...









:laugh1:

:laugh2: :laugh1: Thighs have a way of making a man crazy. :laugh2:

[quincyyyyy]

The funniest thing about all of this is...so what if he was gay or was not gay.

Geez some people need to get over themselves.

Exactly its not a big deal. I mentioned the possibility of him being gay and people go crazy.

[iceberg]

Exactly its not a big deal. I mentioned the possibility of him being gay and people go crazy.

no, because you follow your pattern of saying shock-jock crap with nothing to validate it and refuse to listen to counterpoints because it interferes with your troll agenda.

[ConcordCowboy]

These two are at the Top of my list.

http://chenzhen.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/karl_rove_01.jpg

[Bizwah]

I have cited quotes from family, friends, and supposed lovers earlier in the thread that would indicate that he is gay. So your claim that there is virtually no proof that he is a homosexual is patently false.

No, there is NO PROOF. Not ONE of the quotes....NOT ONE...comes right out and says Lincoln was gay.

Boy you would be a lousy lawyer.

And the "evidence" that you would cite as his hetero bona fides, is the same "evidence" I could use to prove that Larry Craig or Ted Haggard is straight (marriage, past female relationships, etc.).

It's proof that he had sexual relations with a woman....which when you compare it to your evidence, is proof that he was a regular John Wayne. So more proof exists he was straight than not.

You and I don't know whether he is gay or straight as it is almost impossible to really know someone's true feelings. But like I previously said, I have a sneaky suspicion its the former.

I know you're trying to be funny and get a rise.....But I really like history. Lincoln was a favorite president of mine. I like to talk about him.

I know you're not serious.....

[burmafrd]

kartr is serious about stirring the pot; he just does not have what it takes to make anything of it.

[quincyyyyy]

No, there is NO PROOF. Not ONE of the quotes....NOT ONE...comes right out and says Lincoln was gay.

Boy you would be a lousy lawyer.



It's proof that he had sexual relations with a woman....which when you compare it to your evidence, is proof that he was a regular John Wayne. So more proof exists he was straight than not.



I know you're trying to be funny and get a rise.....But I really like history. Lincoln was a favorite president of mine. I like to talk about him.

I know you're not serious.....
I'm very serious.

And as the saying goes: where there is smoke there is fire. Or in this case flames.

[iceberg]

I'm very serious.

And as the saying goes: where there is smoke there is fire. Or in this case flames.

so since there's a lot of idiotic smoke around you can we safely assume....

[quincyyyyy]

so since there's a lot of idiotic smoke around you can we safely assume....

Coming from someone who believes in Creationism, that doesn't mean much to me.

[iceberg]

Coming from someone who believes in Creationism, that doesn't mean much to me.

i never said what i believe in. at least not in any terms you could ever hope to understand.

[Bach]

Coming from someone who believes in Creationism, that doesn't mean much to me.

You believe in evolution?

That could explain a lot.

[quincyyyyy]

You believe in evolution?

That could explain a lot.

What is that? That I am an intelligent human being who puts his faith in reason and facts. Is that what you mean?

[iceberg]

What is that? That I am an intelligent human being who puts his faith in reason and facts. Is that what you mean?

i'm sure i speak for us all when i say NO, that's not what he means.

[Bach]

What is that? That I am an intelligent human being who puts his faith in reason and facts. Is that what you mean?

More like, you think you evolved from apes.

[quincyyyyy]

More like, you think you evolved from apes.


Actually, I think Apes and humans evolved from similar a ancestor.

[Bach]

Actually, I think Apes and humans evolved from similar a ancestor.

I'm not surprised.

[vta]

Actually, I think Apes and humans evolved from similar a ancestor.

No joking... do you believe a similar ancestor or the same species of ancestor?

[Danny White]

Actually, I think Apes and humans evolved from similar a ancestor.

Ed Asner?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/march2006/310306asner.jpg

[vta]

http://static.highend3d.com/galleryimages/627/screen.jpg

[MetalHead]

I'm a totalitarian.
These times call for a smooth dictatorship.
Democracy is a failure.Our current system has failed us.

I believe in the abolition of congress as there are too many idiots with an opinion that get on the way to things.
Lobbyists and special interest groups' money now rule our country.
That is now what our founding fathers had in mind.

Don't get me started on my plan to save what's left of our great country,as I am not alone on my views.

[Bach]

http://www.mcmanweb.com/exuberant_chimp.jpg