Another edition of foot-in-mouth?

[Heisenberg]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/16/huckabee-jokes-about-obama-ducking-a-gunman/

Not a candidate anymore, but still a bit foot-in-mouth.

[trickblue]

Obama said not too long ago... "Let's see... I've already visited 57 states... I think we have one more to go"...

McCain has plenty of gaffes too... as does Obama when he is put on the spot...

It should make the debates interesting at least...

[PosterChild]

I read the Huck quote, and if that was supposed to be funny, he needs a new writer. Not sure what he was thinking there-- tho maybe some context is needed.

[Heisenberg]

Obama said not too long ago... "Let's see... I've already visited 57 states... I think we have one more to go"...

McCain has plenty of gaffes too... as does Obama when he is put on the spot...

It should make the debates interesting at least...

No doubt. I think we should have a thread for misspeaks. It's stupid, but mildly amusing at times.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Obama said not too long ago... "Let's see... I've already visited 57 states... I think we have one more to go"...

McCain has plenty of gaffes too... as does Obama when he is put on the spot...

It should make the debates interesting at least...

Yes it should be interesting.

Both Obama and McCain have gotten a good deal of media pass the last month or so. Yes I said McCain as well because he really has as many have focused on the Clinton/Obama and Obama/Wright situations.

I am also curious to see if both will have a "nice respectful" campaign against each other or if the political side groups will take over and ruin it and in turn get these two ripping on each other.

Should be interesting.

[Doomsday101]

Yes it should be interesting.

Both Obama and McCain have gotten a good deal of media pass the last month or so. Yes I said McCain as well because he really has as many have focused on the Clinton/Obama and Obama/Wright situations.

I am also curious to see if both will have a "nice respectful" campaign against each other or if the political side groups will take over and ruin it and in turn get these two ripping on each other.

Should be interesting.

As long as PAC 527 groups are allowed to put out the stuff they do you can expect this to be a nasty race.

[Yeagermeister]

Yes it should be interesting.

Both Obama and McCain have gotten a good deal of media pass the last month or so. Yes I said McCain as well because he really has as many have focused on the Clinton/Obama and Obama/Wright situations.

I am also curious to see if both will have a "nice respectful" campaign against each other or if the political side groups will take over and ruin it and in turn get these two ripping on each other.

Should be interesting.

It will get turned in to a mud slinging contest like always.

The MS election was nothing but attack ads. I was so glad when it was finally over.

[BrAinPaiNt]

As long as PAC 527 groups are allowed to put out the stuff they do you can expect this to be a nasty race.

Yes I know those groups will be doing the mud slinging. I just see that as a given.

What will interest me is to see if it carries over to the candidates themselves.

[AtlCB]

Yes I know those groups will be doing the mud slinging. I just see that as a given.

What will interest me is to see if it carries over to the candidates themselves.

They will probably be nice to each other and let the 527's do the mudslinging. Obama appears to be more diplomatic than Gore and Kerry. I'm not sure about McCain, since he wasn't in much of a battle for the republican nomination this year.

[Doomsday101]

Yes I know those groups will be doing the mud slinging. I just see that as a given.

What will interest me is to see if it carries over to the candidates themselves.

Of course it does in terms of defending themselves against it then they get blamed for the action of these groups but that is politics.

Heck McCain is being attacked based on what Bush does this despite the fact McCain and Bush have never been the best of friends however I can't blame that on the 527 groups.

I will say in fairness this has always been around since politics has been around. I think too often we make it out to be something that has taken place in recent year but attacks by political rival have been going on since the beginning

[trickblue]

They will probably be nice to each other and let the 527's do the mudslinging. Obama appears to be more diplomatic than Gore and Kerry. I'm not sure about McCain, since he wasn't in much of a battle for the republican nomination this year.

and McCain better to be ready to defend/distance from what the 527's say because he will be held accountable and I guarantee you Obama won't be...

It would be poetic justice against McCain as his ridiculous McCain-Feingold Bill caused all of this unconstitutional mess...

[Heisenberg]

and McCain better to be ready to defend/distance from what the 527's say because he will be held accountable and I guarantee you Obama won't be...

It would be poetic justice against McCain as his ridiculous McCain-Feingold Bill caused all of this unconstitutional mess...

Meh. Obama has already told supporters of his not to donate to 527s. So, one of them already closed shop.

I'll see if I can find a link.

[trickblue]

Meh. Obama has already told supporters of his not to donate to 527s. So, one of them already closed shop.

I'll see if I can find a link.

Moveon.org is the major offender... they aren't closing down shop...

That's the problem with 527's... they aren't accountable to anyone...

Hell, even the NYT gave moveon a discount on their Patreus ad...

[BrAinPaiNt]

They will probably be nice to each other and let the 527's do the mudslinging. Obama appears to be more diplomatic than Gore and Kerry. I'm not sure about McCain, since he wasn't in much of a battle for the republican nomination this year.

Funny thing is Kerry was not mean enough. He let them go on and on and just would not address it and that was part of his problem IMO.

I would also imagine that McCain means it when he says he was to run a respectful campaign because of some of the things the bush rove campaign did to him. I mean that was truly pathetic what they said about him and that little girl. So he has been there and had that done to him and I don't think he wants that kind of pathetic crap again.

[Heisenberg]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/05/democratic_media_group_scales.html

Democratic Media Group Ditches Ad Effort

Progressive Media USA, the group organized to be the main soft-money advertising vehicle for Democrats in the fall, will dramatically scale back its efforts in deference to the wishes of the party's presumptive nominee.

"Progressive Media will not be running an independent ad campaign this year," David Brock, the head of the organization, confirmed in a statement obtained by The Fix this morning.

"Progressive Media was established to be an independent on-going progressive issue advocacy organization," Brock added. "We were not established for one issue, one candidate or one election cycle. But donors and potential donors are getting clear signals from the Obama camp through the news media and we recognize that reality."

Those familiar with the group's decision cast it as largely the result of the stated desire of Sen. Barack Obama's campaign to not direct funds to outside organizations in hopes of better controlling the Democratic message in the fall. (Note: Ben Smith of Politico first reported this story.) But the group was also struggling to raise the money necessary to be a major force in the presidential race and was riven by internal divisions.

During a gathering of Obama's national finance committee earlier this month in Indianapolis, it was made clear to these top donors that they should concentrate on raising money for the candidate and not spend their time funding independent organizations of which Progressive Media USA is one.

That warning made Progressive Media USA's already difficult task -- raising tens of millions of dollars in short order from skeptical donors with the unsuccessful soft money efforts of 2004 still on their mind -- almost impossible. Without buy-in (literally) from Obama's major donors, it's extremely unlikely deep-pocketed Clinton backers would fund the effort to help elect the Illinois senator on their own.

The downscaling of Progressive Media USA is the latest chapter of the group's short but turbulent history. The group, which was initially led by Tom Matzzie, former Washington director for Moveon.org, was originally known as Campaign to Defend America when it was formed in the fall of 2007. The budget for the effort, according to Matzzie, was $100 million.

The group struggled to gain traction, however, and in early April liberal media critic David Brock took control of the group -- promising a $40 million media onslaught against Sen. John McCain (Ariz.).

(Those familiar with the group say that Brock and Matzzie were like oil and water stylistically, and their differences made it difficult to put everyone involved with the organization on the same page.)

The reformed group drew immediate attention with an ad that painted McCain as a clone of President George W. Bush on the economy. But the extended ad campaign promised by many within Progressive Media USA never materialized -- likely due to a lack of available resources.

The financial struggles of Progressive Media USA are the rule not the exception in this presidential election. Soft-money groups seemed to have reached their zenith in 2004 when progressive-aligned organizations like America Coming Together and Media Fund as well as conservative-backed groups like Progress for America and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth had an undeniably large influence over the outcome of the election.

Four years later, outside groups on both sides of the aisle have experienced all sorts of problems in securing the cash to fund any sort of serious independent effort. That lack of success is particularly true at the presidential level, where Progressive Media USA's collapse comes on the heels of a decision to turn Freedom's Watch from a conservative-aligned presidential vehicle to one that spends its time and money on House races.

It's hard to imagine that big-dollar donors won't seek to exert their influence in some substantial way in the run-up to the 2008 election. But so far the vehicles that have tried to do just that have run out of gas after traveling just a few miles.

[Doomsday101]

Moveon.org is the major offender... they aren't closing down shop...

That's the problem with 527's... they aren't accountable to anyone...

Hell, even the NYT gave moveon a discount on their Patreus ad...

Exactly Moveon.org is not going anywhere and has ample funds for the purpose of attack ads.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Moveon.org is the major offender... they aren't closing down shop...

That's the problem with 527's... they aren't accountable to anyone...

Hell, even the NYT gave moveon a discount on their Patreus ad...

Moveon is really bad.

Now I tell you another one, although I don't think they are a 527 but just a website.

The DailyKoz has really became bad. I kept hearing about it on a few shows so I went to look at some of the links from Fark (I know you follow fark) and was just disgusted by some of the stuff that is posted on there.

One day I wish these extreme groups would learn that when you have legit gripes, complaints or suggestions...it gets overlooked because of the extreme faction that ruins it.

Same with other political groups the ACLU. There are things that they do that is really good, but it gets overtaken by some of the idiotic extreme things that they do. Which is sad IMO.

[Doomsday101]

The campaign for elections to the Pennsylvania Assembly in October 1764 was one of the most scurrilous in American colonial history, and both Franklin and [his young political lieutenant Joseph] Galloway lost their seats. Franklin was accused of a host of sins--of lechery, of having humble origins, of abandoning the mother of his ******* son, of stealing his ideas of electricity from another electrician, of embezzling colony funds, and of buying his honorary degrees. But what ultimately cost Franklin his seat was the number of Germans who voted against him, angry at an earlier ethnic slur [he had made] about 'Palatine Boors.'
Franklin was stunned by his defeat. He had completely misjudged the sentiments of his fellow colonists, something he would continue to do over the succeeding decade...


Moral of the story? Don't assume that today's politics is any nastier than it was 250 years ago. And don't ever call anyone a "Palatine Boor!" :)

Among the ugliest campaings were (0.00 / 0)
1800, Adams v. Jefferson: Democrats called Adams an elitist monarchist, and Federalists called Jefferson a pointy-headed atheist who still thought woolly-mammoths roamed the frontier
1828, J.Q. Adams v. Jackson: Jacksonians accused Adams of supplying a young virgin for the czar of Russia, and Adams' camp accused Mrs. Jackson of being a whore

1864, Lincoln v. McClellan: Republicans (Unionists) accused Democrats of treason, and Democrats charged Republicans with missegination (mingling the races)

1876, Tilden v. Hayes: this was the original recount, lawsuit, litigation, accusation, conspiracy theory election! It took an act of Congress to resolve it.

1968, Nixon v. Humphrey v. Wallace, when you had three people running for sheriff of the United States, and RFK was lost

I think the most flamboyant may have been the 1840 one between van Buren and WH Harrison. "Tippecanoe and Tyler, too!"

"Politics is too important for politicians." -- Charles de Gaulle

[Heisenberg]

Exactly Moveon.org is not going anywhere and has ample funds for the purpose of attack ads.

This is true. There's really no control, but if the candidate asks that no one donate to them, I would say that would be decently effective for most of them.

All around though, I think election rules need to change and 527s pushed into extinction.

[Heisenberg]

Moveon is really bad.

Now I tell you another one, although I don't think they are a 527 but just a website.

The DailyKoz has really became bad. I kept hearing about it on a few shows so I went to look at some of the links from Fark (I know you follow fark) and was just disgusted by some of the stuff that is posted on there.

One day I wish these extreme groups would learn that when you have legit gripes, complaints or suggestions...it gets overlooked because of the extreme faction that ruins it.

Same with other political groups the ACLU. There are things that they do that is really good, but it gets overtaken by some of the idiotic extreme things that they do. Which is sad IMO.

It's become the RedState of the left. It's so laughably slanted it makes your head spin. It's nice when you don't want to think about the other side's viewpoints though. :D

[BrAinPaiNt]

It's become the RedState of the left. It's so laughably slanted it makes your head spin. It's nice when you don't want to think about the other side's viewpoints though. :D

There is a site I visit regularly...once again I found it from a link on Fark. Now they are way left leaning but that is not what I like about it.

I like because they always have video clips of political or political mouth people saying stuff or doing stuff and it is fun to watch.

I only wish it did it for both parties.

The site is called crooks and liars.

Once again I wish they did not just cater to the left side as I would love to have one site that showed all of this stuff. Similar to factcheck.org where it is balanced.

Oh and if people do not know about factcheck.org I highly suggested especially during these election times. They take an uniased take, check the facts and report. It is cool after debates and should come in handy during the general election debates.

[Ben_n_austin]

Obama said not too long ago... "Let's see... I've already visited 57 states... I think we have one more to go"...

McCain has plenty of gaffes too... as does Obama when he is put on the spot...

It should make the debates interesting at least...

Did the Republican party name Democrat-in-Disguise, John McCain, as their nominee just to spite you?

:laugh2:

[iceberg]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/16/huckabee-jokes-about-obama-ducking-a-gunman/

Not a candidate anymore, but still a bit foot-in-mouth.

oh. i thought quincyyyy said something again.

[quincyyyyy]

Obama said not too long ago... "Let's see... I've already visited 57 states... I think we have one more to go"...

McCain has plenty of gaffes too... as does Obama when he is put on the spot...

It should make the debates interesting at least...


McCain's problem isn't that he misspeaks. Its that he is really dumb. (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080228051940AA28Bmr) He doesn't understand the Middle East, which is why he constantly confuses Shiites and Sunnis.