Predictions?

[Ben_n_austin]

Who is most likely to win? Who do you want to win the presidential election?

[The30YardSlant]

Most likely to win? Tough to say, depends on how Obama is able to mobilize the minority and under 25 vote. If I had to bet money, I'd bet it on McCain right now. I think Obama's inexperiance and lack of a real plan for implementing his "change" will be his downfall.

Who do I personally hope wins? ABO

Anyone But Obama

[SuspectCorner]

I think irrational fears and ostrich-like behavior combine to get McCain elected. Right now - I think I'll be voting for Obama.

[The30YardSlant]

I don't think my fears about Obama are irrational at all. The man has too little experience to lead the most powerful nation on Earth IMO. Not only that, but he seems hell bent on altering the foundation of nation that is doing better than any in the history of the world.

[SuspectCorner]

I don't think my fears about Obama are irrational at all. The man has too little experience to lead the most powerful nation on Earth IMO. Not only that, but he seems hell bent on altering the foundation of nation that is doing better than any in the history of the world.

And was doing even better up until about 7 or 8 years ago....

[burmafrd]

don't bother with suspect. He is under the delusion (as most liberals are) that liberalism actually works.

[irvin88]

McCain will win.

Pastor Wright will speak out again in the summer.

[SuspectCorner]

don't bother with suspect. He is under the delusion (as most liberals are) that liberalism actually works.

To you, a liberal is anybody left of Adolph Hitler... :D

How's it going there, Burm?

[ZeroClub]

Hard to tell who is going to win the general election. Right now it looks close, perhaps with an advantage to McCain re: electoral votes.

But I think that Obama is going to win. Given the current political / social climate in the country and Obama's strengths (charisma, decided financial advantage) - I think he's set up to build sufficient momentum and enthusiasm to get out the Dem vote (and to sway enough Inds).

[WiPatfan]

Yeah, I also have a feeling Obama will win, though I won't cry if John McCain is POTUS.

I just have this nagging feeling that the (finally slain) Billary creature will reappear like in the last frame of a third-rate horror film.

[BrAinPaiNt]

The dems win a huge amount on the hill but McCain will probably win the white house.

Just the way it should be, no one party having total control.

[Hostile]

I predict that it won't matter which party wins. That stuff will still not get done and both sides will blame the otheer for the failure to fix stuff.


What do I win if I'm right?

[AtlCB]

To you, a liberal is anybody left of Adolph Hitler... :D

How's it going there, Burm?Be careful with that analogy. Hitler's political views were closer to Democratic Party than the Republican Party.

[canters]

McCain wins 40 states. BO seen to as too liberal. There is stuff about him from his days in Ill. that will bit him in the butt. The republicans will find it.

[AtlCB]

Who is most likely to win? Who do you want to win the presidential election?

McCain will win. Obama seems to be free falling. I would like to see Bob Barr win, but it will not happen.

[Danny White]

Who is most likely to win? Who do you want to win the presidential election?

Ben, I really don't know at this point.

I'm not sure what my predictions are even worth.

I'm on the verge of already losing a $50 bet I made about 8 months ago when I took Hillary against the field. I've already acknowledged that my money's as good as gone... but like Hillary, I'm hanging on to the bitter end before I pay off! :p:

It sure looks to me like Obama is very vulnerable in the general election, but I also have my doubts as to whether or not McCain can solidify conservative support behind him. If Bob Barr can pull more than 5% of the conservative vote away from McCain, that could spell trouble for him.

At the same time, I wonder if Obama will have any better luck in rallying all of Hillary's supporters behind him. There are some deep divisions there, and while I'm sure most will put differences behind them and vote the ticket, I don't know if all will, and in a close election, that could make all the difference.

If I had to guess, I'd say McCain in a squeaker.

As to preferences, I'm holding off for now. I'd vote for McCain if he runs a good, conservative campaign and doesn't cave to the left too much (although early signs aren't good for that) and if he appoints a solid up-and-comer as his Veep.

In the absence of that, I have no qualms about casting a protest vote for Barr.

[AtlCB]

Ben, I really don't know at this point.

I'm not sure what my predictions are even worth.

I'm on the verge of already losing a $50 bet I made about 8 months ago when I took Hillary against the field. I've already acknowledged that my money's as good as gone... but like Hillary, I'm hanging on to the bitter end before I pay off! :p:

It sure looks to me like Obama is very vulnerable in the general election, but I also have my doubts as to whether or not McCain can solidify conservative support behind him. If Bob Barr can pull more than 5% of the conservative vote away from McCain, that could spell trouble for him.

At the same time, I wonder if Obama will have any better luck in rallying all of Hillary's supporters behind him. There are some deep divisions there, and while I'm sure most will put differences behind them and vote the ticket, I don't know if all will, and in a close election, that could make all the difference.

If I had to guess, I'd say McCain in a squeaker.

As to preferences, I'm holding off for now. I'd vote for McCain if he runs a good, conservative campaign and doesn't cave to the left too much (although early signs aren't good for that) and if he appoints a solid up-and-comer as his Veep.

In the absence of that, I have no qualms about casting a protest vote for Barr.I'm not sure Bob Barr draws much from McCain. Other than the war and AGW, their views do not differ much.

[Danny White]

I'm not sure Bob Barr draws much from McCain. Other than the war and AGW, their views do not differ much.

You may be correct in that he won't take much away from McCain.

But they are very different candidates.

They are both tough on spending, but Barr is a tried-and-true tax cutter, whereas McCain is not. Barr actually supports repealing the 16th Amendment and doing away with the income tax.

Barr is much better when it comes to border security and fighting illegal immigration. McCain is talking a better game on this issue now, but no one who takes the issue seriously is actually buying it.

Barr does not support taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research, as McCain does.

Barr opposed the McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Reform.

These are all some of McCain's signature issues, and Barr is on the conservative side of all of them.

And, of course, there's their differences on the war and on civil liberties. While that doesn't necessarily cut into McCain's Republican base, it does help Barr somewhat.


Again, I don't think Barr is a legitimate threat to McCain, but they aren't carbon copies of one another.

[Mavs Man]

Who do you want to win the presidential election?

America.

[quincyyyyy]

McCain will win. Obama seems to be free falling. I would like to see Bob Barr win, but it will not happen.


Bob Barr is going to split the Repuke vote. And even without Barr, Obama is beating McCain by 3.4 points (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html) in the polls.

[Bach]

Detroit will trade Roy to Dallas sometime in the next 5 years.

[notherbob]

America.

I seriously doubt that; in fact, in my opinion, America will lose no matter who is elected.

I see all politicians as a bunch of liars and thieves who will sell out America in a NY minute to the highest commercial bidder. One side gives away vast sums to the petroleum business and the armaments business and the other side wants to give our money to the pharmaceutical companies, lawyers, doctors and hospitals. All will engage in influence peddling regardless of the source of the money.

It's hard for me to see "America" winning in this scenario, unless by America you mean the international conglomerates and big business. Ordinary Americans will invariably lose.

Just my cynical opinion.

[big dog cowboy]

I seriously doubt that; in fact, in my opinion, America will lose no matter who is elected.

It's hard for me to see "America" winning in this scenario, unless by America you mean the international conglomerates and big business. Ordinary Americans will invariably lose.


My thoughts exactly.

[Mavs Man]

I seriously doubt that; in fact, in my opinion, America will lose no matter who is elected.

<snip>

My thoughts exactly.

I did not say that America would win. Re-read my quoted statement of the OP (emphasis added).

Who do you want to win the presidential election?

[notherbob]

I did not say that America would win. Re-read my quoted statement of the OP (emphasis added).

You're right and I apologize for misinterpreting your quote.

I would like to see America win, too, but I have my doubts that the long term trend toward stealing from the public and sharing the loot with big business will change anytime soon. Because they receive large sums of money from big business I think they will always vote to favor big business and themselves at the expense of the general public.

For reasons I prefer not to think about, we continue to send the same scoundrels back to Washington. It has come down to choosing which group we will have stealing from us and lining their own pockets as well as their friends' pockets. They argue among themselves about the distribution of our money like the relatives at Scrooge's funeral argued over his possessions only they haven't the decency to wait until we are dead.

Yeah, I know, I'm a cynical old grouch. Perhaps I should show more appreciation for these lying thieves.

[hank2k]

I seriously doubt that; in fact, in my opinion, America will lose no matter who is elected.

I see all politicians as a bunch of liars and thieves who will sell out America in a NY minute to the highest commercial bidder. One side gives away vast sums to the petroleum business and the armaments business and the other side wants to give our money to the pharmaceutical companies, lawyers, doctors and hospitals. All will engage in influence peddling regardless of the source of the money.

It's hard for me to see "America" winning in this scenario, unless by America you mean the international conglomerates and big business. Ordinary Americans will invariably lose.

Just my cynical opinion.


There is a lot of truth to that cynical opinion but IMHO, had Gore won in 2000, we would not be in IRAQ, Saddam would still be contained, and 4000 dead soldiers would still be alive. So who wins the election DOES make a difference.

[Heisenberg]

The election is a long way off. All the polling right now is basically useless.

I'm voting for Obama, so I'll predict a win for him. I mean, it's a toss-up right now. Close your eyes and pick. :)

[Jordan55]

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[quincyyyyy]

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Experience doesn't mean much if you are as dumb as dirt. McCain finished in the bottom 5 out of more than 850 students in his Naval Academy class, while Obama was on Harvard Law Review.

[Mavs Man]

You're right and I apologize for misinterpreting your quote.

I would like to see America win, too, but I have my doubts that the long term trend toward stealing from the public and sharing the loot with big business will change anytime soon. Because they receive large sums of money from big business I think they will always vote to favor big business and themselves at the expense of the general public.

For reasons I prefer not to think about, we continue to send the same scoundrels back to Washington. It has come down to choosing which group we will have stealing from us and lining their own pockets as well as their friends' pockets. They argue among themselves about the distribution of our money like the relatives at Scrooge's funeral argued over his possessions only they haven't the decency to wait until we are dead.

Yeah, I know, I'm a cynical old grouch. Perhaps I should show more appreciation for these lying thieves.

No problem, I do it all the time.

And for the record, you're not cynical. You're a realist. :o:

[Cajuncowboy]

I predict that it won't matter which party wins. That stuff will still not get done and both sides will blame the otheer for the failure to fix stuff.


What do I win if I'm right?

A weekend with Quincyyy, Or Hilary, or scouting placekickers. Your choice. :D

[quincyyyyy]

A weekend with Quincyyy, Or Hilary, or scouting placekickers. Your choice. :D


You wish... I give great massages.;)

[Hostile]

A weekend with Quincyyy, Or Hilary, or scouting placekickers. Your choice. :DThen I don't want to play any more. Not even a massage is worth that punishment.

[DragonCowboy]

I'm thinking Obama will have an advantage.

I really don't feel comfortable with Obama due to his inexperience. I suppose McCain might be the lesser of two evils at this point.

[CowboyFan74]

I predict that it won't matter which party wins. That stuff will still not get done and both sides will blame the otheer for the failure to fix stuff.




Blocks and balances, Mcain will be the lame duck..

[Ben_n_austin]

I think irrational fears and ostrich-like behavior combine to get McCain elected. Right now - I think I'll be voting for Obama.

I'm thinking I'll vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination [Obama or Clinton]. In the end, I think Hillary and Obama pull together to slip by McCain.


http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9701/26/dixon/dixon.jpg


... just a hunch. But that's what I'm hopin' for.

[Ben_n_austin]

On a serious note, after reading this thread I came to realize how sad this country has become. It's a shame that these are our candidates... is it not?


Vote Mike Gravel in 2008!~

[burmafrd]

Look at what every candidate has to go through. Then why should anyone wonder when our best and brightest have no interest in running for office.

Right now anyone can say anything they want to about a public figure and no one holds them accountable. Oh sure one side or the other screams about it if its bad enough but nothing happens. Unless you are like Imus or whoever and you dare to irritate the sensitive udder of a sacred cow.

[trickblue]

I predict I won't vote for either the GOP or Democrat nominee...

Barring some type of October surprise or major gaffe I think McCain will likely squeeze out a close victory...

I also think Hillary will publicly support Obama but the Clinton Machine will work behind the scenes to defeat him.

McCain could very well be a one term President given health and age and that's Hillary's only chance to become president. If Obama serves two terms, Hillary will be too old/old news...

[quincyyyyy]

I predict I won't vote for either the GOP or Democrat nominee...

Barring some type of October surprise or major gaffe I think McCain will likely squeeze out a close victory...

I also think Hillary will publicly support Obama but the Clinton Machine will work behind the scenes to defeat him.

McCain could very well be a one term President given health and age and that's Hillary's only chance to become president. If Obama serves two terms, Hillary will be too old/old news...

Thats why Obama is beating him in the polls?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

[AtlCB]

On a serious note, after reading this thread I came to realize how sad this country has become. It's a shame that these are our candidates... is it not?


Vote Mike Gravel in 2008!~You seem surprised:

Bush vs. Gore
Bush vs. Kerry
McCain vs. Obama/Hillary

:ralph:

[Doomsday101]

I'll be voting for McCain as for prediction I predict this is going to be a close race.

[Ben_n_austin]

You seem surprised:

Bush vs. Gore
Bush vs. Kerry
McCain vs. Obama/Hillary

:ralph:

Bush v. Clinton was a cool election, no?

[Hostile]

I'm thinking I'll vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination [Obama or Clinton]I am so shocked. NOT!

[Jordan55]

I'm thinking I'll vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination [Obama or Clinton]. In the end, I think Hillary and Obama pull together to slip by McCain.


http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9701/26/dixon/dixon.jpg


... just a hunch. But that's what I'm hopin' for.

I'm shocked! I never would have thought it. Can you say Appeaser, World opinion of us is so important.:bang2: The Jimmy Carter Syndrome comes back to haunt us.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/cartoons/toon052108.gif

[Jordan55]

Gots to love it!!!!
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm080519.jpg

[ZeroClub]

"Appeaser" or a Geezer?

You decide.

[Jordan55]

"Appeaser" or a Geezer?

You decide.

Not bad! I like it:laugh2:
Geezer, Please!

[quincyyyyy]

Gots to love it!!!!
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm080519.jpg

Appeaser is when you give up concessions. Obama just wants to open up a dialogue, he is not giving in to anyone's demands. I think you don't have a clear understanding of what appeasement means.

Plus its sort of ironic that Bush, whose family were literally nazi appeasers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush#Alleged_plot_to_overthrow_FDR), would have the hutzba to anyone a nazi appeaer.

[ConcordCowboy]

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[ConcordCowboy]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/m/k/1/mccain_mutiny.jpg

[ConcordCowboy]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/want2know/mccain.jpg

[burmafrd]

We know when the chips are down McCain has got the spine to do what it takes. Obama= no way to tell.

[ConcordCowboy]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2008/04/10/bell512.jpg

[AtlCB]

Bush v. Clinton was a cool election, no?I didn't like Bush Sr. I did like Clinton and Perot. Clinton v. Dole wasn't good, because I didn't like Dole. Reagan was great, but the losers that the Dems ran against him were horrible - Carter and Mondale (Mondale only won one state :lmao2: ). Bush Sr. v. Dukakis was really bad as well.

[Jordan55]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2008/04/10/bell512.jpg


Concord, all joking aside, if we pull out in Iraq, it will be the biggest blow to any prospect of democracy in the Middle East which will cause this country major political consequences in the future for our foreign policies towards that region. I'm sure you realize, that Muslim fanatics and al-Qaeda groups most assuredly will claim victory and will use our political stupidity to increase their presence in the region.

As I see it the choice is clear: we have to stay the course and continue supporting the current government in Iraq, until it can stand on its own two feet. Which seems alot closer to reality, then it once did prior to the surge.
Since a complete retreat without completing a stabilization of Iraq, can not be in our best national interest. I believe this policy, to be a true “ recipe for disaster.” which will force us back to the region in short period of time to clean up a far greater mess. The entire middle east region will be effected by the void we leave behind, with this cut and run political sell out.:mad:

[ConcordCowboy]

Concord, all joking aside, if we pull out in Iraq, it will be the biggest blow to any prospect of democracy in the Middle East which will cause this country major political consequences in the future for our foreign policies towards that region. I'm sure you realize, that Muslim fanatics and al-Qaeda groups most assuredly will claim victory and will use our political stupidity to increase their presence in the region.

As I see it the choice is clear: we have to stay the course and continue supporting the current government in Iraq, until it can stand on its own two feet. Which seems alot closer to reality, then it once did prior to the surge.
Since a complete retreat without completing a stabilization of Iraq, can not be in our best national interest. I believe this policy, to be a true “ recipe for disaster.” which will force us back to the region in short period of time to clean up a far greater mess. The entire middle east region will be effected by the void we leave behind, with this cut and run political sell out.:mad:

I have no problem staying there for awhile and stabilizing the Government and getting their troops ready but the time has come now five years later for the Government to sh#t or get off the pot.

I'm not for staying there for the next ten years or 100 if you listen to McCain ;) to get this done.

I think that as long as we stay there and aren't really ready to leave those guys will NEVER get off the pot.