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05-21-2008, 12:44 AM

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From extremeskins......

tr1

Frankly, Betts is a better rounded rb than Barber could even dream of being

Newman is an average cb

Barber was SO good last year, he couldn't beat out Julius for the starting job UNTIL the LAST game of the season.

Jerry Jones is broke ( said before we signed even flo )

Betts is an all around better back than Barber.

Betts is faster, can catch passes and unlike Barber, can bust it for a long gain at any time.

Barber couldn't beat out Julius to be the starter.

bubba 9497

( On Barber ) Betts has proved he can handle being a starter and has topped the 1000 yard mark

There is soooo much more funny stuff being said over there right now. The story was first that Jerry was broke. Now that it has been proven otherwise he overpaid for average players. Also restructuring Romo is a skins move which makes us just as bad as the Skins FO.

Should bring a smile to your face.

:)

Clove

05-21-2008, 12:52 AM

You have homers in every teams fan base, but the Skins are worse than homers. They are straight ingnorant and mindless football spectators.

Bob Sacamano

05-21-2008, 12:57 AM

we'd probably have alot of the same if our rivals out-talented as much as we do the skins

jeez, what a worthless, untalented franchise

the kid 05

05-21-2008, 01:33 AM

the last one i find funny because barber got what? 9xx yards? as a back up imagine what he'll do as a starter

BAZ

05-21-2008, 08:28 AM

McCordsville Cowboy

05-21-2008, 08:33 AM

I cant stand those chumps....

VACowboy

05-21-2008, 08:35 AM

You have homers in every teams fan base, but the Skins are worse than homers. They are straight ingnorant and mindless football spectators.

This is SO true. The posters on ES are delusional.

05-21-2008, 09:03 AM

I think it's unfair to paint all Skin fans with the same brush as the posters on ES. There are a few decent ones on this board. And you have to think and post in a certain type of mentality not to get banned on there, so like, yeah, hardly shocking when you read dumb things.

Where are they getting the Jerry is broke from thing though?

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246784

Hamlin must be fuming by now...I hope the season starts without his re-structuring. Tick...tick...tick...

Oh, and welcome to cap hell, puke fans.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246234

Man, for a guy from a billionaire's family, he sure sounds like money is tight...but, money shouldn't be a problem for the pukes, right? They have more money than God...

No, it sounds like they just want to stiff their players...especially Hamlin...who is being a good soldier so far.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244794

Since Jerruh is low on cash, I'm sure this scenario fits nicely for him...otherwise, he'd have no excuse to give to puke nation about his inability to sign a couple of big-name FA's that could help the pukes.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244940

In that thread they go on and on about Jerry being broke and selling off some of the team to AT&T. No ****.

:laugh2:

Joe Rod

05-21-2008, 09:05 AM

Yeah, nothing but classy, informed posters on this board!

http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/films/anchorman/anchorman-quote.jpg

05-21-2008, 09:13 AM

Yeah, nothing but classy, informed posters on this board!

http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/films/anchorman/anchorman-quote.jpg

Fair enough.

However, I can guarantee you not one poster on cowboyszone would say Dan Synder is broke because he didn't sign any free agents this year.

adamknite

05-21-2008, 09:14 AM

Betts is faster, can catch passes and unlike Barber, can bust it for a long gain at any time.

The longest run of Betts career was 27 yards...... Barber's is 54.......

The longest reception Betts had was 40 yards, Barber's was 30 yards........

Betts' average was 3.6 per carry, Barber's was 4.8

ES posters are really comical sometimes. They should do stand up. Just make sure you don't give them any logical responses though, I hear they don't like that very well.

trickblue

05-21-2008, 09:23 AM

BehindEnemyLinez

05-21-2008, 09:26 AM

That's just a taste of what I hear on a daily basis from these deluded Deadkin fans here in the DC area. What I hear the most is how Romo is overrated and how T.O., Tank, and now PacMan are going to cause an implosion in the Boys' locker room (they've been saying that about Owens going on 4 years now-you have to love their persistence, I guess ;))!

CATCH17

05-21-2008, 09:27 AM

gbrittain

05-21-2008, 09:28 AM

You have homers in every teams fan base, but the Skins are worse than homers. They are straight ingnorant and mindless football spectators.

True...except these morons are moderators.

We the same thing on this board, but those people tend to be put in their place, these guys on the other hand set the tempo. Big difference.

EDIT: I think they are moderators...either way they are morons.

CATCH17

05-21-2008, 09:35 AM

bigE79

05-21-2008, 09:38 AM

I was just over there and i couldnt believe all the threads about the cowboys...COWBOY ENVY AT ITS BEST:laugh2: :laugh2:

05-21-2008, 09:42 AM

Someone please post on there that CATCH17 said the Cowboys have the best roster in the NFC so just live with it.

They are doing their best to find holes on our team... Guess what? We have less than anyone in the division/conference and we sure as hell have less than the stupid Redskins.

I told them that and was ignored.

After they mocked our draft I told them that we were the team that had a proven qb and talent and depth on the O and D lines. Was ignored.

Told them that pacman was better than any db on their roster.

Ignored.

Then banned for a month a few days later. When you call them out on their stupidity, they laugh it off, ignore you, or change the subject..... always.

:)

Clove

05-21-2008, 09:50 AM

Yeah not all of them are like that, but I'm amazed at the majority of them that are. But no, their are some very knowledgeable fans there, but they're certainly drowned out.

Star4Ever

05-21-2008, 10:21 AM

TR1, Bubba, Jumbo, and many others on ES (not all, but most )are a bunch of :bastid: s. Biggest bunch of morons on the planet.

thewireman

05-21-2008, 10:32 AM

I rarely go to ES but when I do its the same crap from this guy TR1. I seriously think he works for the Skins office. What 52 year old man is that starved for attention from a message board unless hes paid to be that way

FCBarca

05-21-2008, 10:35 AM

You have homers in every teams fan base, but the Skins are worse than homers. They are straight ingnorant and mindless football spectators.

Something about DC, I think ;)

05-21-2008, 10:40 AM

They have now started the new streak chant. 4 out of 6

Wow.

Idgit

05-21-2008, 10:53 AM

It's institutionalized insecurity. tr1 is playing a character and makes stuff up until he finds someone to take him seriously. Ignore him. Bubba is just a die hard fan who's not all that bright. He follows tr1 around and generally agrees with him, which makes his opinion a cartoon, too. Someone in one of the endless ES Cowboys thread described these two best:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00392/SNN22GX3AA_384_392813a.jpg

But it's all in fun, I think. Nobody on that board really believes that nonsense.

adamknite

05-21-2008, 10:55 AM

Whatever happened to that guy who claimed to be TR1 on these boards, said he was really a cowboys fan and tried to convince us to "accept him". Anybody remember that?

Or have I lost my mind?

Vintage

05-21-2008, 11:05 AM

LOL....

Nah. We aren't obsessed with ES....

zrinkill

05-21-2008, 11:06 AM

Whatever happened to that guy who claimed to be TR1 on these boards, said he was really a cowboys fan and tried to convince us to "accept him". Anybody remember that?

Or have I lost my mind?

I Bleed B&G

Hostile owned him so bad he ran away without being banned

InmanRoshi

05-21-2008, 11:13 AM

Also restructuring Romo is a skins move which makes us just as bad as the Skins FO.

Drafting, developing and retaining Pro Bowl talent in-house is the exact opposite of what the Skins FO does.

superpunk

05-21-2008, 11:17 AM

Posters on a Redskins fan site have derogatory things to say about our personnel moves?

This is more shocking than that time I found out Meryl Streep was a woman!

I'm sure there were plenty of quotes that said it was a good move, and they wish the Skins would keep their talent instead of letting it walk to sign older talent, and so on and so forth.

My suggestion would be to just not visit ES. When you visit ES, the terrorists win.

adamknite

05-21-2008, 11:34 AM

I Bleed B&G

Hostile owned him so bad he ran away without being banned

:laugh2:

Sonny#9

05-21-2008, 01:22 PM

Drafting, developing and retaining Pro Bowl talent in-house is the exact opposite of what the Skins FO does.

Ok -- when was the last time the Redskins let a Pro-Bowl talent walk away?

They didn't sign Dockery to an insane deal -- was he a Pro Bowler? The last one I can think of is Pierce, after the 2004 season. They locked Cooley, Taylor (RIP) and Betts up to very good deals. They didn't go crazy after Asante Samuel, or any of the severly overrated FAs this year. They made huge mistakes with AA and BL and Duckett in '06, and it cost them. However, in '07 they made very smart moves. As much as they get derided for being a thin team, they still had enough depth to make the playoffs despite missing 6 starters (Campbell -- do me a favor, and save me the Collins talk, he didn't face a pass defense higher then 25th I believe -- Jansen, R. Thomas, McIntosh, Taylor and Rogers).

While they have certainly made a ton of mistakes, for the paucity of picks, they have drafted VERY well the past couple years. And they had a very good draft this year -- we'll see how it plays out, but they got some outstanding value.

Hostile

05-21-2008, 01:36 PM

Ok -- when was the last time the Redskins let a Pro-Bowl talent walk away?

They didn't sign Dockery to an insane deal -- was he a Pro Bowler? The last one I can think of is Pierce, after the 2004 season. They locked Cooley, Taylor (RIP) and Betts up to very good deals. They didn't go crazy after Asante Samuel, or any of the severly overrated FAs this year. They made huge mistakes with AA and BL and Duckett in '06, and it cost them. However, in '07 they made very smart moves. As much as they get derided for being a thin team, they still had enough depth to make the playoffs despite missing 6 starters (Campbell -- do me a favor, and save me the Collins talk, he didn't face a pass defense higher then 25th I believe -- Jansen, R. Thomas, McIntosh, Taylor and Rogers).

While they have certainly made a ton of mistakes, for the paucity of picks, they have drafted VERY well the past couple years. And they had a very good draft this year -- we'll see how it plays out, but they got some outstanding value.Champ Bailey, Stephen Davis, and Antonio Pierce comes to mind immediately.

Sonny#9

05-21-2008, 01:52 PM

Champ Bailey, Stephen Davis, and Antonio Pierce coems to mind immediately.

You're absolutely right:

The last one I can think of is Pierce, after the 2004 season.

Bailey was traded -- albiet they should have received a 2nd rnd pick instead of giving one up -- for Portis. Who has been the catalyst for two runs to the playoffs in his time here. So it's not like they let him walk away for nothing.

And Davis was in 2003, under Spurrier's regime.

Most of these arguments are based in 2004 and before, and aren't what's going on now.

Star4Ever

05-21-2008, 02:39 PM

Sonny#9

05-21-2008, 02:51 PM

TR1 is simply an attention whore, an idiot, or both. He claims to be a huge Foreskin fan, yet 99% of his posts are Cowboy-related. His agenda is obvious. I seriously doubt he even has a job because all he seems to do is look for Cowboy-related information that he can spin. He posts crap, and then sits and waits for Cowboy fans to pounce. The problem is when Cowboy fans smack him stupid for his ridiculous posts, Jumbo and the other idiot moderators ban them for "violating the rules".

I am guess you're another one who was banned for "no reason?" The funny thing is, you're doing exactly what tr1 wants. He is an instigator, nothing more. tr1 gets more abuse, while deservedly so, and less support from the mods b/c he starts every situation he gets into. He opens the door. I don't see that at all.

I guess TR1, Bubba (TR1s boyfriend and emotional supporter), and the rest of the Merry Band of Idiots are immune from being banned. The real issue I have is why Dallas fans continually stay on the Foreskin board and kiss the ***** of the mods that reside there. It's pretty pathetic really. Grow a set guys, and let those reality-starved idiots post ridiculous crap amongst themselves. They get their jollies by baiting Dallas fans and then watching them get mad, and then banned. It's so damn obvious. If Dallas fans didn't post there, the board would simply die due to lack of interest.

What do you expect? It's a Redskins board! What do you want, 'Skins fans to bow down and sing the praises of the Cowboys?

You've clearly missed many of the very good debates there. I've had several long, and sometimes heated -- but all in good fun, conversations with very long-standing, knowledgeable 'Boys fans. The only fans that get banned there are the ones who aren't interested in argument and only want to stir up trouble.

And if I came here stirring up a hornets nest and expecting people to bow down and kiss the Skins arse, one, I would be completely delusional, and two, I wouldn't be here for very long. I know full well I am a guest here and try to actaccordingly.

Hostile

05-21-2008, 02:51 PM

You're absolutely right:

Bailey was traded -- albiet they should have received a 2nd rnd pick instead of giving one up -- for Portis. Who has been the catalyst for two runs to the playoffs in his time here. So it's not like they let him walk away for nothing.I never would have traded a top CB, much less with a day 1 Draft pick thrown in.

And Davis was in 2003, under Spurrier's regime.Trung Canidate was a friend of mine from UA. I still couldn't understand that move.

Most of these arguments are based in 2004 and before, and aren't what's going on now.The most baffling thing to me lately was your coaching search.

Maroon, black and yellow is classic.

Sonny#9

05-21-2008, 02:58 PM

I never would have traded a top CB, much less with a day 1 Draft pick thrown in.

Yes, they overpaid for Portis. While not an excuse, people don't realize that Bailey did not want to be in Washington. Hell, they never should have gotten rid of Schotty. I really liked the team (sans Tony Banks) at the end of that year.

Trung Canidate was a friend of mine from UA. I still couldn't understand that move.

See above...

The most baffling thing to me lately was your coaching search.

Maroon, black and yellow is classic.

I was beating my head on the desk at that search. While I like what Zorn is implementing so far, he's going to have to win A LOT of games to live that one down!

Star4Ever

05-21-2008, 03:00 PM

I am guess you're another one who was banned for "no reason?" The funny thing is, you're doing exactly what tr1 wants. He is an instigator, nothing more. tr1 gets more abuse, while deservedly so, and less support from the mods b/c he starts every situation he gets into. He opens the door. I don't see that at all.

What do you expect? It's a Redskins board! What do you want, 'Skins fans to bow down and sing the praises of the Cowboys?

You've clearly missed many of the very good debates there. I've had several long, and sometimes heated -- but all in good fun, conversations with very long-standing, knowledgeable 'Boys fans. The only fans that get banned there are the ones who aren't interested in argument and only want to stir up trouble.

And if I came here stirring up a hornets nest and expecting people to bow down and kiss the Skins arse, one, I would be completely delusional, and two, I wouldn't be here for very long. I know full well I am a guest here and try to actaccordingly.

Clearly you don't even pay much attention to your own team's board. There have been many Cowboy fans that have been banned simply for arguing football. They are banned simply because they do not walk the line and agree with TR1, Bubba, and the rest of the crew. I know it to be a fact. If you want to deny it, you're just as stupid as the rest on that board.

Sonny#9

05-21-2008, 03:04 PM

Clearly you don't even pay much attention to your own team's board. There have been many Cowboy fans that have been banned simply for arguing football. They are banned simply because they do not walk the line and agree with TR1, Bubba, and the rest of the crew. I know it to be a fact. If you want to deny it, you're just as stupid as the rest on that board.

You know, you're absolutely right -- that MUST be the reason for the many, many more Cowboys fans on ES then Skins fans here. There's just no intelligent discussion over there whatsoever. And you know what -- I've been banned from there before. For calling a Cowboys fan a *******, repeatedly. So take that for what it's worth.

Some people just need to be ignored...

Hostile

05-21-2008, 03:06 PM

Yes, they overpaid for Portis. While not an excuse, people don't realize that Bailey did not want to be in Washington. Hell, they never should have gotten rid of Schotty. I really liked the team (sans Tony Banks) at the end of that year.

See above...

I was beating my head on the desk at that search. While I like what Zorn is implementing so far, he's going to have to win A LOT of games to live that one down!I agree about Marty-ball.

Zorn will never live that down in my eyes. If a Cowboys fan says something like that, no one cares. The Head Coach is a totally different situation. A highlight of my off season. I had tears in my eyes from laughing at my friend James over that. His cussing tirade was classic.

Sonny#9

05-21-2008, 03:11 PM

I agree about Marty-ball.

The other thing I was thinking about is, if Schottenheimer (sp) stayed on, and they still drafted Ramsey -- I believe he could have been a pretty solid QB. What killed him were Spurrier and Kim Helton's assinine blocking schemes. Which is why I am very, very grateful Buges has stayed on.

Zorn will never live that down in my eyes. If a Cowboys fan says something like that, no one cares. The Head Coach is a totally different situation. A highlight of my off season. I had tears in my eyes from laughing at my friend James over that. His cussing tirade was classic.

Yeah -- I would have a hard time in letting a 'Boys HC live that one down. I don't let Phillips live down anything of the dumb things he's said, and they weren't half as dumb as that...

Hostile

05-21-2008, 03:14 PM

The other thing I was thinking about is, if Schottenheimer (sp) stayed on, and they still drafted Ramsey -- I believe he could have been a pretty solid QB. What killed him were Spurrier and Kim Helton's assinine blocking schemes. Which is why I am very, very grateful Buges has stayed on.

Yeah -- I would have a hard time in letting a 'Boys HC live that one down. I don't let Phillips live down anything of the dumb things he's said, and they weren't half as dumb as that...I actually liked Patrick Ramsey a lot. He was one tough kid. I respected that. I felt bad for him. No win situation. The beating probably ruined him.

Bob Sacamano

05-21-2008, 07:55 PM

You're absolutely right:

Bailey was traded -- albiet they should have received a 2nd rnd pick instead of giving one up -- for Portis. Who has been the catalyst for two runs to the playoffs in his time here. So it's not like they let him walk away for nothing.

And Davis was in 2003, under Spurrier's regime.

Most of these arguments are based in 2004 and before, and aren't what's going on now.

that's because you have so few talent on your roster

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 08:14 AM

that's because you have so few talent on your roster

Right, like you wouldn't take Moss, Portis, Landry, Samules, Springs, Cooley, Thomas, Sellers, Fletcher, or McIntosh on the Cowboys. Like you wouldn't be signing the praises of Thomas, Kelly, Davis et al if they were drafted by the Cowboys. Let's be realistic here.

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 08:39 AM

I actually liked Patrick Ramsey a lot. He was one tough kid. I respected that. I felt bad for him. No win situation. The beating probably ruined him.

I was very excited when they drafted Ramsey. I thought he was going to be a good one -- he had the toughness, arm, intelligence. He just got beat. Spurrier ruined him. Much like David Carr. It could be said he got Ramseyed

Hostile

05-22-2008, 08:48 AM

I was very excited when they drafted Ramsey. I thought he was going to be a good one -- he had the toughness, arm, intelligence. He just got beat. Spurrier ruined him. Much like David Carr. It could be said he got RamseyedI agree with every word.

the kid 05

05-22-2008, 08:53 AM

Right, like you wouldn't take Moss, Portis, Landry, Samules, Springs, Cooley, Thomas, Sellers, Fletcher, or McIntosh on the Cowboys. Like you wouldn't be signing the praises of Thomas, Kelly, Davis et al if they were drafted by the Cowboys. Let's be realistic here.

only persons i would take from the skins is Landry but thats cuz i have had a man crush on him since i seen him play at LSU. i like the players we have at the our positions better then yours

superpunk

05-22-2008, 10:05 AM

Right, like you wouldn't take Moss, Portis, Landry, Samules, Springs, Cooley, Thomas, Sellers, Fletcher, or McIntosh on the Cowboys. Like you wouldn't be signing the praises of Thomas, Kelly, Davis et al if they were drafted by the Cowboys. Let's be realistic here.

Realistically, if you take all those players and line them up next to the Cowboys players playing the same position, you would pick a Cowboy - every time.

The only position that might not be true of is Thomas (if you compared him to Kosier instead of Davis) and RB and FB. The Cowboys are just plain better across the board, and the results reflect that.

thewireman

05-22-2008, 10:28 AM

Right, like you wouldn't take Moss, Portis, Landry, Samules, Springs, Cooley, Thomas, Sellers, Fletcher, or McIntosh on the Cowboys. Like you wouldn't be signing the praises of Thomas, Kelly, Davis et al if they were drafted by the Cowboys. Let's be realistic here.

Now is this the running back Portis, or the cross dressing alter ego Portis?

Theres only 3 players on that list you made that I would take, Portis to play behind Barber...until I see how Felix does and to see Portis cross dress, Cooley to play behind Witten and Springs because, well his dad was a Cowboy and Springs is really a Cowboy stuck playing for the skins

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 10:46 AM

Realistically, if you take all those players and line them up next to the Cowboys players playing the same position, you would pick a Cowboy - every time.

The only position that might not be true of is Thomas (if you compared him to Kosier instead of Davis) and RB and FB. The Cowboys are just plain better across the board, and the results reflect that.

Everytime? Ok:

Samules or Flozell -- anyone objective would say that it's debatable. Flozell has been inconsistent, Samules has his issues with speed rushers. However, both play at a very high level.

Cooley and Witten -- I have to give the nod to Witten here, obviously. But, I would say Cooley is just as good (compare their numbers after 4 years -- very similar.) I think Cooley is a bigger threat in the Red zone (6 more TDs in 1 less year).

Yes, I'd take Thomas over Leonard Davis -- but another one that is debatable. Thomas is the most underrated lineman in the league, and that's not an exaggeration.

Landry over Hamlin and Williams without a doubt. Anyone who says otherwise is an out-and-out homer.

Portis over Barber -- until Barber proves he can carry the load, like Portis has, this is a no-brainer. And I have been very complementary of Barber here.

Moss over Crayton -- if Moss is your 2nd receiver, you beat the Giants. (And before you compare Moss to TO, save it. Moss is not a #1 receiver. He's played like one in the past, but he is a #2. Hopefully with Thomas can take that mantle...and soon!!)

And if you don't like Mike Sellers, you're not a football fan.

superpunk

05-22-2008, 11:04 AM

Everytime? Ok:

Samules or Flozell -- anyone objective would say that it's debatable. Flozell has been inconsistent, Samules has his issues with speed rushers. However, both play at a very high level.

Cooley and Witten -- I have to give the nod to Witten here, obviously. But, I would say Cooley is just as good (compare their numbers after 4 years -- very similar.) I think Cooley is a bigger threat in the Red zone (6 more TDs in 1 less year).

Yes, I'd take Thomas over Leonard Davis -- but another one that is debatable. Thomas is the most underrated lineman in the league, and that's not an exaggeration.

Landry over Hamlin and Williams without a doubt. Anyone who says otherwise is an out-and-out homer.

Portis over Barber -- until Barber proves he can carry the load, like Portis has, this is a no-brainer. And I have been very complementary of Barber here.

Moss over Crayton -- if Moss is your 2nd receiver, you beat the Giants. (And before you compare Moss to TO, save it. Moss is not a #1 receiver. He's played like one in the past, but he is a #2. Hopefully with Thomas can take that mantle...and soon!!)

And if you don't like Mike Sellers, you're not a football fan.
Yes. Everytime.

I already gave up RB and FB. And Thomas over Kosier, even though they don't play the same position. That gives you 2-3 players who would start for the Cowboys - and RB is debatable, at the very least. I don't care how you classify Moss - he is your #1 receiver. He would not be so here.

Across the board, the Cowboys are just better. Giving up Landry and Fletcher, the Redskins have 4-5 players who would start for the Cowboys. Outside of that, the Skins are just outclassed talent-wise by the Cowboys.

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 11:14 AM

Yes. Everytime.

the Redskins have 4-5 players who would start for the Cowboys.

Well, if the Redskins have 4-5 players, then it wouldn't be "everytime" would it?

And there are several other players that Cowboys fans underrate b/c they have an indian on the side of their helmet instead of a star, that'd you'd love to have. But I am not going to go into it.

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 11:15 AM

I agree with every word.

Well I AM very knowledgeable :D

superpunk

05-22-2008, 11:20 AM

Well, if the Redskins have 4-5 players, then it wouldn't be "everytime" would it?

And there are several other players that Cowboys fans underrate b/c they have an indian on the side of their helmet instead of a star, that'd you'd love to have. But I am not going to go into it.

Noone outside of those I mentioned.

Yes, I'd love to have Santana Moss as a #2 WR. But that's not his position on the Redskins, so there's no reason to compare him to our #2 receiver. Randle El over Crayton is a toss up, so I guess we can stretch it to 5-6.

5-6 starters for the Skins would start for Dallas at their respective positions. Rande El, Laron Landry, London Fletcher, Randy Thomas (at LG), Clinton Portis, and Mike Sellers. Noone else has the talent to crack the starting lineup for the Cowboys. These are just facts. There's a reason we went 13-3 and had 13 pro-bowlers while the Redskins crept into the playoffs on the back of a career backup - vastly more talent. You can criticize probowl selections all you want, and certainly there was 1 or 2 Cowboys that didn't deserve their berth, but the proof is in the pudding. Dallas has far more talent than Washington. There's no denying it.

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 11:30 AM

Noone outside of those I mentioned.

So you're saying that Samules, Jansen, Marcus Washington and Shawn Springs would have a prayer beating out, Adams, Columbo, James/Thomas/Ellis, or Henry respectively?

I think many people -- some on the Cowboys coaching staff -- would probably disagree with you. But to each their own.

superpunk

05-22-2008, 11:39 AM

So you're saying that Samules, Jansen, Marcus Washington and Shawn Springs would have a prayer beating out, Adams, Columbo, James/Thomas/Ellis, or Henry respectively?

I think many people -- some on the Cowboys coaching staff -- would probably disagree with you. But to each their own.

I forgot about Jansen. Altho I don't think he has enough left to compete with Colombo.

And Springs is not your #2 corner. To the others - no. Samuels is a good player, but he doesn't have it like Adams does, at least not for the past two years when Adams has played like a top 3 LT.

There's no shame in not being as talented as the Cowboys. The Skins have a very talented team - but it simply doesn't compare talent-wise with the Cowboys. Very few teams do, and certainly none in the NFC. This is a team that went 13-3 in the toughest division in football. They have a scary amount of talent. Washington is also a talented team, evidenced by making the playoffs last season in that tough division, and having enough talent for Todd Collins to be a winner with.

But stacked up against the Cowboys, they simply can't compare.

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 12:02 PM

I forgot about Jansen. Altho I don't think he has enough left to compete with Colombo.

Jansen when healthy was one of the best RTs in the game. Injuries have taken their toll on him. One more year out of him -- give Buges time to develop Heyer.

And Springs is not your #2 corner.

Why the designation of #1 and #2 -- you said start. Springs would most certainly start over Henry.

To the others - no. Samuels is a good player, but he doesn't have it like Adams does, at least not for the past two years when Adams has played like a top 3 LT.

Samules is more athletic, gets to the 2nd level better, and is much more technically sound then Adams. When they are both playing at the top of their game, Samules is the better player.

There's no shame in not being as talented as the Cowboys. The Skins have a very talented team - but it simply doesn't compare talent-wise with the Cowboys. Very few teams do, and certainly none in the NFC. This is a team that went 13-3 in the toughest division in football. They have a scary amount of talent. Washington is also a talented team, evidenced by making the playoffs last season in that tough division, and having enough talent for Todd Collins to be a winner with.

But stacked up against the Cowboys, they simply can't compare.

I guess we'll see as the season plays out I guess. There are too many questions right now revolving around them to really predict anything. But then again -- the Giants were "predicted" to finish dead last in the division last year. AND you do know what has followed ever Giants Super Bowl right? :D

the kid 05

05-22-2008, 12:05 PM

Everytime? Ok:

Samules or Flozell -- anyone objective would say that it's debatable. Flozell has been inconsistent, Samules has his issues with speed rushers. However, both play at a very high level.

Cooley and Witten -- I have to give the nod to Witten here, obviously. But, I would say Cooley is just as good (compare their numbers after 4 years -- very similar.) I think Cooley is a bigger threat in the Red zone (6 more TDs in 1 less year).

Yes, I'd take Thomas over Leonard Davis -- but another one that is debatable. Thomas is the most underrated lineman in the league, and that's not an exaggeration.

Landry over Hamlin and Williams without a doubt. Anyone who says otherwise is an out-and-out homer.

Portis over Barber -- until Barber proves he can carry the load, like Portis has, this is a no-brainer. And I have been very complementary of Barber here.

Moss over Crayton -- if Moss is your 2nd receiver, you beat the Giants. (And before you compare Moss to TO, save it. Moss is not a #1 receiver. He's played like one in the past, but he is a #2. Hopefully with Thomas can take that mantle...and soon!!)

And if you don't like Mike Sellers, you're not a football fan.

wait a minuite wait a minute...why are you saying moss over crayton? why your number 1 vrs our number 2 (or 3 baring a comeback by TG)

superpunk

05-22-2008, 12:21 PM

Why the designation of #1 and #2 -- you said start. Springs would most certainly start over Henry.

because that's the way these things work. Don't play dumb.

Samules is more athletic, gets to the 2nd level better, and is much more technically sound then Adams. When they are both playing at the top of their game, Samules is the better player.

Samuels hasn't been at the top of his game for some time. Adams has been elite for two years. Even if both are playing as well as they're capable, Adams is probably the better player.

I guess we'll see as the season plays out I guess. There are too many questions right now revolving around them to really predict anything. But then again -- the Giants were "predicted" to finish dead last in the division last year. AND you do know what has followed ever Giants Super Bowl right? :D

We've already seen. We're not talking about results. We're talking about talent. And as it stands, the Redskins cannot compete talent-wise with the Cowboys. Like I said - very few teams can. These are just facts, and you know they're true, no matter how badly you want to deny it.

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 12:37 PM

Samuels hasn't been at the top of his game for some time. Adams has been elite for two years. Even if both are playing as well as they're capable, Adams is probably the better player.

Based on what?

Samules Scouting Report: He is an excellent athlete with tremendous lateral explosiveness that often allows him to out-quick his opponents and beat defenders with great position and outstanding technique. His physical abilities make him a terrific player in space who has the balance and quick feet to win position, the patient, well-timed punch to knock the defender off his move and the arm extension to slide and maintain control. He is able to both deep-set and quick-set edge rushers and his body control allows for excellent recovery skills on the rare occasion he is out of position. He is susceptible to playing too high and getting on his heels against a powerful bull-rusher. He is very athletic in the run game and has explosive snap in his hips when drive blocking, although he gets lazy at times and fails to get movement at the point of attack. When he is on his game he takes great angles, using quickness to get the backside cut-off or moving through to the second level. Overall, Samuels has few flaws in his game, and when he is focused and motivated he can be dominant.

Adams: Adams is huge, has long arms and can engulf defenders. He has tremendous power for a left tackle. He is almost impossible to move out of the hole when he locks on. He has the size, strength and hands to dominate at the point of attack. He can be quick off the ball and will win most battles when he lands his initial punch. He doesn't get beaten by power often. His length makes him tough to get by. He routinely pushes defenders past the pocket. He moves well for his size, but Adams is far from a prototype athlete for left tackle. He struggles to redirect and sometimes overextends outside. He has some problems against good double moves and spin moves. His footwork and technique can get a little sloppy. He doesn't always play with good leverage or knee bend. He can be lazy out of his stance and on pass sets. He relies too much on his size and strength. He doesn't offer much on the second level and generally struggles in space. He doesn't pay enough attention to detail.

We've already seen. We're not talking about results. We're talking about talent. And as it stands, the Redskins cannot compete talent-wise with the Cowboys. Like I said - very few teams can. These are just facts, and you know they're true, no matter how badly you want to deny it.

I am not denying the Cowboys are not a talented team. They had a good year last year. However there are some on here that have stated the Skins have "no talent," which is ludicrous. And besides, it's the offseason -- what else are we going to do?

Here's another fun fact -- very few teams who make a 4-or-more-win jump in one season -- like both the Redskins (5-11 to 9-7) and Cowboys did last year (9-7 to 13-3) -- come close to repeating that success -- some fail utterly and miss the playoffs entirely incl. the 2004 Cowboys (fell from 10-6 to 6-10) 2006 Redskins (fell from 10-6 to 5-11), and the Saints last year (fell from 10-6 to 7-9). Such is life in todays NFL -- it leaves everything open to questioning and debate.

superpunk

05-22-2008, 12:42 PM

I am not denying the Cowboys are not a talented team. They had a good year last year. However there are some on here that have stated the Skins have "no talent," which is ludicrous. And besides, it's the offseason -- what else are we going to do?

Here's another fun fact -- very few teams who make a 4-or-more-win jump in one season -- like both the Redskins (5-11 to 9-7) and Cowboys did last year (9-7 to 13-3) -- come close to repeating that success -- some fail utterly and miss the playoffs entirely incl. the 2004 Cowboys (fell from 10-6 to 6-10) 2006 Redskins (fell from 10-6 to 5-11), and the Saints last year (fell from 10-6 to 7-9). Such is life in todays NFL -- it leaves everything open to questioning and debate.
Those were teams that caught lightning in a bottle. For the Cowboys, they had a ridiculously easy schedule and a paper tiger defense that was exposed. The Redskins had a similar fall, and could do the same thing this season after their lightning in a bottle experiment from last season. In fact, I would pretty much expect it given their talent-level coupled with the new regime. These things take time, and this is alot of change for Washington. Dallas, OTOH, has been building towards this for awhile. The teams you mentioned went from losing records to winning - not so with Dallas. You can expect them to suffer a similar fall - I certainly don't expect them to win 13 games again - but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

This isn't a team that caught the league by surprise and skated by on an easy schedule. This is an enormously talented team that has been building toward this for 4 years. There's no lightning in a bottle here, nothing like the 2006 or 2008 Redskins will be - this is a fantastically talented team finally playing to their talent level. You can expect that to continue for some time - and you should.

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 01:53 PM

You can expect them to suffer a similar fall - I certainly don't expect them to win 13 games again - but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Here's a question for you -- what happens if TO goes down?

...nothing like the 2006 or 2008 Redskins will be.

A little early for predictions don't you think?

Yakuza Rich

05-22-2008, 01:55 PM

Jerry broke?

"That's a good one." - Arnold Schwarzenegger

And lemme guess, Bubba completely went along with it.

For a guy that's so broke, I'm amazed he was able to give Barber and Newman new contracts.

I'm starting to believe that tr1 may be Skip Bayless.

YAKUZA

superpunk

05-22-2008, 01:58 PM

Here's a question for you -- what happens if TO goes down?

This is a stupid question. What happens if Peyton goes down? Romo? Brady? Moss?

Injuries change things. We're not talking about hypothetical injury-fairy-land magical scenarios, though - are we? We're talking about how talented teams are, and how that lends to consistent winning.

Obviously injuries change your expectations. Do you have any other startling revelations you'd like to share with the rest of us?

A little early for predictions don't you think?

I clearly showed how the scenarios were different. This was a winning (playoff) team that simply won more. Nothing like a team that catches fire at season's end only to suffer a predictable fall back to normalcy the following season.

Yakuza Rich

05-22-2008, 02:06 PM

Here's another fun fact -- very few teams who make a 4-or-more-win jump in one season -- like both the Redskins (5-11 to 9-7) and Cowboys did last year (9-7 to 13-3) -- come close to repeating that success -- some fail utterly and miss the playoffs entirely incl. the 2004 Cowboys (fell from 10-6 to 6-10) 2006 Redskins (fell from 10-6 to 5-11), and the Saints last year (fell from 10-6 to 7-9). Such is life in todays NFL -- it leaves everything open to questioning and debate.

It's a bit of a convoluted argument. Yes, those teams did improve by 4 wins, but in these cases you just mentioned they were far from a 13-3 record. They also didn't have records similar to 18-14 the two seasons prior. Meaning that in 2005 and 2006 the Cowboys were a pretty good, playoff caliber team that turned into a great team (at least a great team for the regular season). These other teams were mediocre teams to begin with that had the jump to one good year (which was 1 win better than Dallas' 2005 & 2006 seasons).

This ain't even the 2006 Ravens who went 13-3 that season as the Ravens went 15-17 the two seasons prior. Dallas is probably more in line with Chargers who made a 5 game jump from 2005 to 2006 (going 14-2 in '06) as the Chargers went 21-11 in '04 & '05.

And of course it's completely plausible to have a dip in wins after a 13 win season because it's just plain tough to win 13 games two years in a row. If you look at the teams that have the dip in wins, it's usually due to an injured starting Quarterback or just a plethora of injuries to the entire team. Anything can happen, but if Romo stays healthy I like Dallas' chances. And I'd say the same about any team that had posted a similar record to Dallas' from 2005-2007.

YAKUZA

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 02:08 PM

Do you have any other startling revelations you'd like to share with the rest of us?

Clearly, you do:

nothing like the 2006 or 2008 Redskins will be

So how will the 2008 Redskins be?

[/quote]I clearly showed how the scenarios were different. This was a winning (playoff) team that simply won more. Nothing like a team that catches fire at season's end only to suffer a predictable fall back to normalcy the following season.[/quote]

Actually, this was winning REGULAR SEASON team, if you want to get technical.

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 02:13 PM

it's usually due to an injured starting Quarterback or just a plethora of injuries to the entire team. Anything can happen

That's the real trick there isn't it?

but if Romo stays healthy I like Dallas' chances. And I'd say the same about any team that had posted a similar record to Dallas' from 2005-2007.

I'd say it's just as important -- if not more-so -- that TO stay healthy.

Yakuza Rich

05-22-2008, 02:55 PM

I'd say it's just as important -- if not more-so -- that TO stay healthy.

Perhaps. But I don't think history shows that with WR's.

Here's a run down of key team WR's and their record when they went injured for a year:

Andre Reed (injured '95) - team record was 10-6

Herman Moore (injured '99) - team went from 5-11 to 8-8

Sterling Sharpe (injured '95) - team went from 9-7 to 11-5

Andre Johnson (injured '07) - teamwent from 6-10 to 8-8

Marvin Harrison (injured '07) - team went from 12-4 to 13-3

Randy Moss (injured '04) - team went from 9-7 to 8-8

Jerry Rice (injured '97) - team went from 12-4 to 13-3

There's probably some I missed. I didn't put Javon Walker, whose Green Bay team got much worse when he got injured because Donald Driver was their #1 WR the year before anyway.

It's not to say that Owens isn't important and I'd be hard pressed to see Dallas go to the Super Bowl without him. But judging from history, keeping Romo healthy should be far more important than worrying about Owens. Also, we don't know what Terry Glenn is going to give Dallas. But if Owens were to get hurt, then you'd likely see a much more run oriented team. If Felix Jones is as good as advertised and Barber can make the transition to starting tailback, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Dallas can be a quality team that focuses more on the run.

YAKUZA

Sonny#9

05-22-2008, 03:08 PM

Perhaps. But I don't think history shows that with WR's.

It's not to say that Owens isn't important and I'd be hard pressed to see Dallas go to the Super Bowl without him. But judging from history, keeping Romo healthy should be far more important than worrying about Owens. Also, we don't know what Terry Glenn is going to give Dallas. But if Owens were to get hurt, then you'd likely see a much more run oriented team. If Felix Jones is as good as advertised and Barber can make the transition to starting tailback, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Dallas can be a quality team that focuses more on the run.

I wouldn't bank on Terry Glenn. First off, he doesn't have the reputation of being tough, and very few players come back from microfracture surgery, especially at his age.

Here's why I put the emphasis on TO. At least Brad Johnson can come and and not lose the game. And as much as I hate to admit it, Romo is a good qb. But really -- do you really want your starting receivers to be Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin or Sam Hurd? I'd much rather have Johnson throwing to TO then Romo throwing to those receivers.

Case in point -- look at what TO did for McNabb.

superpunk

05-22-2008, 03:14 PM

Clearly, you do:

So how will the 2008 Redskins be?

Actually, this was winning REGULAR SEASON team, if you want to get technical.

Don't try to change the subject with some stupid tangent.

Rampage

05-22-2008, 05:38 PM

here's another one from the well known "tr1"
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247332

The Pukes Will Have A Losing Season This Year...

Gosh, I've given this a lot of thought and...well, I can't see them having a winning record. Sorry puke fans.

Teams that try to stay pat usually stumble badly. The pukes' o-line had an outstanding season last year, but the likelihood of repeating those performances is not likely. Columbo's knees will simply not hold up. Gurode will continue to have problems snapping in the shotgun, and Big and Flo are starting to realize that they're multi-millionaires who might not be too enthusiastic when the wheels begin to fall off.

Let's face it, Romo is a choker. His highs in qb ratings are only equaled by his horrific lows. Expect more Buffalo-type games from him - without the comeback.

TO is a fossil. Glenn has a knee that doesn't work...and Crayton is a choker. Do I need to go on about those WRs? I can.

On the defense, did any of those linemen have a sack? Forgive me, I just can't remember.

Look for Demarcus Where to disappear in at least three games...more if Ellis, the defensive fossil goes down. It's time for puke fans to admit that Where's success comes from Ellis being on the field (see 2006.)

And, since the pass rush will suffer this year, look for some record-breaking performances against that secondary. I won't discuss Roy because everyone in the free world knows about his inability to cover, so let's talk dbs.

Newman played through his injury last year to his credit. He deserves some respect, but Henry is a joke...as most puke fans know. That's why Jerruh rushed out to sign a criminal...a criminal who's been out of football for a year...and who wasn't that good when he played. The guy gambles...and in this defense, he doesn't need to...he should pretty much sit back and wait. When he gambles, he sets himself up for a big play against him. Look for Jones to be featured on many other teams' highlight films.

Oh, and I expect Hamlin to play like he did for Seattle...average.

And did I mention the pukes' dreadful STs? Parcells basically ripped the heart out of that unit. To think they'll be as adequate as they were last year is hoping against hope.

Should be fun.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Star4Ever

05-23-2008, 10:22 AM

I wouldn't bank on Terry Glenn. First off, he doesn't have the reputation of being tough, and very few players come back from microfracture surgery, especially at his age.

Here's why I put the emphasis on TO. At least Brad Johnson can come and and not lose the game. And as much as I hate to admit it, Romo is a good qb. But really -- do you really want your starting receivers to be Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin or Sam Hurd? I'd much rather have Johnson throwing to TO then Romo throwing to those receivers.

Case in point -- look at what TO did for McNabb.

The problem with your post is that Glenn has not had microfracture surgery. He's going to have to have it done at some point, but he has not had it to this point. He had two scopes before he season las year to clean out some debris. Also, I have no idea where you got the info. that Gleen doesn't have a reputation for being tough??????

Star4Ever

05-23-2008, 10:25 AM

I wouldn't bank on Terry Glenn. First off, he doesn't have the reputation of being tough, and very few players come back from microfracture surgery, especially at his age.

Here's why I put the emphasis on TO. At least Brad Johnson can come and and not lose the game. And as much as I hate to admit it, Romo is a good qb. But really -- do you really want your starting receivers to be Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin or Sam Hurd? I'd much rather have Johnson throwing to TO then Romo throwing to those receivers.

Case in point -- look at what TO did for McNabb.

What's your point? Every team in the league would suffer if they lost their best WR. You seem to think Dallas is the only team this applies to. How would N.E. fare without Moss, especially since Stallworth walked this off-season? The Colts weren't as effective last year without Harrison. It goes on and on.

Sonny#9

05-23-2008, 10:51 AM

What's your point? Every team in the league would suffer if they lost their best WR. You seem to think Dallas is the only team this applies to. How would N.E. fare without Moss, especially since Stallworth walked this off-season? The Colts weren't as effective last year without Harrison. It goes on and on.

Maybe you should go back take a second look. I said TO is as important as Romo, if not more so.

Which would you rather have: Johnson throwing to TO, or Romo throwing to Hurd/Austin/Crayton?

In my opinion TO is your offensive MVP.

Sonny#9

05-23-2008, 10:54 AM

The problem with your post is that Glenn has not had microfracture surgery. He's going to have to have it done at some point, but he has not had it to this point. He had two scopes before he season las year to clean out some debris. Also, I have no idea where you got the info. that Gleen doesn't have a reputation for being tough??????

My bad -- I thought he had it already. And yes, Glenn is very soft. Anyone outside of Dallas who watches the games can see this.

the kid 05

05-23-2008, 12:48 PM

why the hell do redskins fans call us pukes? it has nothing to do with the cowboys...

Sonny#9

05-23-2008, 12:56 PM

why the hell do redskins fans call us pukes? it has nothing to do with the cowboys...

It's a derivative of Cowpokes, or 'Pokes...it's almost as funny as calling the Redskins the Foreskins or what have you...that is to say it's not.

Seven

05-23-2008, 01:46 PM

here's another one from the well known "tr1"
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247332

Gosh, I've given this a lot of thought.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Started off with a lie. We know the above statement is impossible for skin fans..............soooo busted.

Star4Ever

05-23-2008, 09:36 PM

My bad -- I thought he had it already. And yes, Glenn is very soft. Anyone outside of Dallas who watches the games can see this.

What I do know about Glenn is that he's a game changer if he's remotely healthy. He's one of the best deep threats in the game, even at his age. Will he be health enough to show it? No one seems to know at this point, but the news our of Valley Ranch has been positive.

sago1

05-25-2008, 02:50 PM

Why are we even arguing with a Redskins fan. I read ES fairly often cause it's so funny. Also read other boards like the Giants, etc. Most fans of other teams believe their players are among the best. Lions believe they have the talent to win the SB in 08 and that they just as good as the top teams. Hmm.

Skins fans believe the same thing. They also believe that their young QB is just as good as Romo with similar stats. Of course after he lost to us, many were all over him. They fell in love with Collins and he became their savior. Admit he played well for them until the Seattle game. I do respect the Skins for the way they pulled together after losing their starting CB in the manner they did. As a Cowboy fan, I can't imagine how bad it would feel to lose one of our starters -- emotionally, etc.

But I also laugh when I read all the names they call us & our QB; Homo for Romo is priceless considering his off field activities/success. Shoot if anybody's seen Cooley in his clinging short shorts & to call Romo a Homo, funny funny people.

Anyway, I guess I should be nice to Skins fans cause they convinced me, after living in the D.C. area for a few years, to become a Cowboy fan. Geez, I hated Allen & his paranoid brain & also Skins believe everybody hates them and the refs/NFL are all out to do them in. It was a relif to watch Staubach and see a normal human being on the football field.

Ha, I still laugh when I remember reading a few weeks back a Redskin fan posting on ES asking the question whether the Skins were still a premier team. If you gotta ask that question, then the obvious answer is NO.

firehawk350

05-26-2008, 04:17 PM

But I also laugh when I read all the names they call us & our QB; Homo for Romo is priceless considering his off field activities/success. Shoot if anybody's seen Cooley in his clinging short shorts & to call Romo a Homo, funny funny people.

Not to get off on too much of a tangent, Cooley wrangled himself a threesome with two cheerleaders, so probably he isn't the best Redskin to call gay.

And Sean Taylor was a safety, not a CB. Not that it really matters, we all knew who you were talking about.

firehawk350

05-26-2008, 04:30 PM

Perhaps. But I don't think history shows that with WR's.

Here's a run down of key team WR's and their record when they went injured for a year:

Andre Reed (injured '95) - team record was 10-6

Herman Moore (injured '99) - team went from 5-11 to 8-8

Sterling Sharpe (injured '95) - team went from 9-7 to 11-5

Andre Johnson (injured '07) - teamwent from 6-10 to 8-8[/quote]

Which will happen when you dump David Carr for Matt Schaub and your DL goes from porous to dominant (Mario Williams and Amobi Okoye will be dominant for years)

Marvin Harrison (injured '07) - team went from 12-4 to 13-3

Romo is no Peyton and Crayton is DEFINITELY no Reggie Wayne...

Randy Moss (injured '04) - team went from 9-7 to 8-8

Not really sure why you are putting this...

Jerry Rice (injured '97) - team went from 12-4 to 13-3

Gee golly, I wonder who was the other receiver that stepped up for Rice? It wasn't TO, was it???

It's not to say that Owens isn't important and I'd be hard pressed to see Dallas go to the Super Bowl without him. But judging from history, keeping Romo healthy should be far more important than worrying about Owens. Also, we don't know what Terry Glenn is going to give Dallas. But if Owens were to get hurt, then you'd likely see a much more run oriented team. If Felix Jones is as good as advertised and Barber can make the transition to starting tailback, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Dallas can be a quality team that focuses more on the run.

Possibly, let's just say that without TO, Romo hasn't done well so far. I wonder why Jerry hasn't at least engaged TO in contract talks, the 09 Cowboys look a bit one-dimensional with out him (and even that one dimension isn't that good).

tomson75

05-26-2008, 04:43 PM

Firesquawk, here's a little snippet you should read :D :

Moving on to the homosexual nonsense they like to reference. The last time I checked Brokeback Mountain was a movie. In other words, fiction. For those who don't know (apparently many Skins fans) that means "not real." I haven't seen it and probably never will. It just doesn't interest me at all. However, I did read previews of the movie.

First of all it takes place in Wyoming, not Texas. Second of all they are sheep herders. That's right, sheep, not cows. The hat does not make you a cowboy any more than putting on a fireman's helmet would make you a fireman.

Apparently in the nation's capital people are not aware of the hatred between sheep herders and cattle ranchers. Uh, they hate each other. Ever heard of the Lincoln County Range Wars? Billy the Kid, Pat Garrett, and all the actual History? All of that was about sheep versus cows. There's a range war in Arizona that I wrote about that was even bigger and bloodier. It set Arizona statehood back 30 years it was so violent. Ask me via PMs if you're interested in knowing more.

The simple truth is anyone who calls a sheep herder a cowboy is out of his freaking mind. The word is cowboy and it implies working with bovine. For those not in tune with the Latin, that means cows. The silliest thing about this remains that it was a damned movie, not real life. Let's talk about real life.

First of all let's put to rest the Troy Aikman allegations. Those were started by none other than Skip Bayless. You want to know why he's so bitter against Dallas? Folks he lost his job because of those allegations. His own fault for printing lies. That's right, it isn't true as has been proven many times over. The weak stuff about Tony Homo is about as 6th grade as it gets. Oh wow, you changed a letter in his name. How original.

I told you there was truth to be shared to expose this weak smack. Let's share it. The first athlete to ever "come out of the closet" was RB Dave Kopay in 1975. Dave played for 5 teams in a 9 year career. He wrote a book after coming out wherein he revealed he had a homosexual relationship while a member of the Redskins, with a teammate on the Redskins, Jerry Smith. Jerry Smith was an All Pro TE who played for the Redskins for 13 years. He was the first professional athlete to die from AIDS.

Now, I'm not suggesting either of these players should be bashed for their lifestyle and certainly not for Smith's death. I'm merely suggesting that it's rather stupid to sling mud about homosexuality when probably the dirtiest mud is on your team. What's more damning here folks? Tony Homo, or an actual documented homosexual relationship?

In fact, according to Dave Kopay, the Assistant General Manager of the Redskins in his years there "came out" after he left the team. So this homosexuality they joke about extended from the locker room to the front office on their team.

Hey, I told you their smack talk on these subjects was weak because it showed they don't know squat about their own team.

"And now you know.......the rest of the story.

Paul Harvey......good day."

firehawk350

05-26-2008, 05:05 PM

Sonny#9

05-27-2008, 10:20 AM

What I do know about Glenn is that he's a game changer if he's remotely healthy. He's one of the best deep threats in the game, even at his age. Will he be health enough to show it? No one seems to know at this point, but the news our of Valley Ranch has been positive.

Even at his age? He has some serious issues with his knees. Overcoming issues that require microfacture surgery at 34 is rare at best. I will grant you that he WAS a great deep threat -- but no longer. One needs knees to run. Glenn's are shot. I would be surprised if he plays 25% of the offensive snaps next year.

tomson75

05-27-2008, 10:52 AM

I didn't call Romo gay, I was just saying that Cooley isn't gay himself. Or at least, doesn't warrant an allegation as such.

And if we are talking about the current, the Cowboys deserve the label as being criminals given you have the poster boy of NFL criminality on your roster.

As for gay, I could care less as long as they produce on the field. I don't see how it affects anything. Do you?

That's laughable. I've been to numerous bars, dives and upscale, to watch cowboys games. One thing all skins fans have in common, whether educated or not, is the love of a good "Tony Homo" joke. Its retarded. Its Ironic. Its gay of the culprits themselves. I've called out dozens of your brethren on it, and haven't received a intelligent response in return to date.

The current Cowboys deserve a "criminal" label? That's more ridiculous than your first statement. One guy makes the whole team "criminal". Two guys? What about the fact that the Cowboys players have started, or champion, numerous charitable organizations? What about the fact that the "criminals" that have come here tend to turn their lives, and their attitudes, around? Your being swayed by the perception of our team, and I can't blame you, because its overpowering....something that can't be said for yours....because no one cares.

...and as far as being queer in the NFL. I don't have a problem with that, personally, but its still amusing that your team paved the road.

Bob Sacamano

05-27-2008, 01:04 PM

SkinsHokieFan

05-29-2008, 09:17 PM

The funny thing is how obsessed this board is with ES

You may never see a post on CZ posted on ES :)

But again, playoff wins do help in that matter, we don't worry about messageboards, just winning games

firehawk350

05-29-2008, 09:44 PM

Maybe that came out stronger than intended, if you want to go pointing fingers saying who is criminals, it's best to start with the mirror. Having one extremely troubled player in the 80s definitely doesn't mean the Skins are criminals...

Either way, when I first heard Tony Romo, in my head, I went through a quick lil monologue...

"Romo, that sounds like Homo!!! I should make fun of him to my brother (Cowboys fan)... Tony Homo! Wait, that's lame. That's like if somebody was named Tony Here, and just calling him Tony Queer. Okay, how can I turn this potential into real humor??? Hmmmm... Tony... Uhhh... Tony... DAMNIT! I can't... Oh well..."

Either way, it's just a pun. Who cares? Foreskins... Tony Homo... Dallass... Michael Gayhan... Puns are the lowest form of humor and just about any pun is going to be lame (with the exception of one, but that must wait)

Hostile

05-29-2008, 09:44 PM

firehawk350

05-29-2008, 09:46 PM

You can't be serious with this. No one is this naive.
To be filed under good-natured trash-talk maybe??? I don't think he REALLY thinks this...

SkinsHokieFan

05-29-2008, 10:02 PM

You can't be serious with this. No one is this naive.

Point me out the next time ES'rs cross post CZ and have a multipage thread

Or the next time a poster on CZ is talked about as much as Art and Tr1 are over here

The way they are under the skins (no pun intended) of cowboy fans is laughable. And opposing fans don't have their posts deleted on ES either ;)

And really, you can't be serious with thinking my trash talk is serious, can you?

firehawk350

05-29-2008, 10:09 PM

Point me out the next time ES'rs cross post CZ and have a multipage thread

Or the next time a poster on CZ is talked about as much as Art and Tr1 are over here

The way they are under the skins (no pun intended) of cowboy fans is laughable. And opposing fans don't have their posts deleted on ES either ;)

And really, you can't be serious with thinking my trash talk is serious, can you?
Are you serious asking if he's serious about you being serious?

SkinsHokieFan

05-29-2008, 10:10 PM

Are you serious asking if he's serious about you being serious?

Never been more serious in my life about the seriousness of this serious situation

Sonny#9

05-30-2008, 07:28 AM

Or the next time a poster on CZ is talked about as much as Art and Tr1 are over here

I would go so far as to say some Cowboys fans over here are obsessed with ES, Art (who RARELY posts anymore), tr1 and Bubba. My personal favorite are the I-got-banned-for-nothing crowd!

firehawk350

05-30-2008, 09:50 AM

Never been more serious in my life about the seriousness of this serious situation
http://www.hfstival.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10148/normal_Internet-SeriousBusiness.jpg

cobra

05-30-2008, 04:40 PM

5 > 3

You can go home now.

Rampage

05-30-2008, 05:25 PM

I would go so far as to say some Cowboys fans over here are obsessed with ES, Art (who RARELY posts anymore), tr1 and Bubba. My personal favorite are the I-got-banned-for-nothing crowd!
skins fans at ES don't have to make threads about posters from here cause none of us are dumb blind homers to the point of tr1,bubba, and whoever art is.

5 > 3

You can go home now.
5>2 and a half.

SkinsHokieFan

05-30-2008, 07:04 PM

skins fans at ES don't have to make threads about posters from here cause none of us are dumb blind homers to the point of tr1,bubba, and whoever art is.

I'd just say its because nobody is obsessed over there with internet posters. But thats just me

5>2 and a half.

December 28th, 1996. I was still in 9th grade then.

About 2 weeks ago, I got my masters degree :)

Sonny#9

05-30-2008, 10:55 PM

skins fans at ES don't have to make threads about posters from here cause none of us are dumb blind homers to the point of tr1,bubba, and whoever art is.

Are you so insecure that you have to attack what these so-called blind homers are saying on their message board? If they're such idiots, why do you care what they say?

And yes there are blind homers here. I ignore them. For the most part, I ignore their homeristic drivel. I have very little interest in getting into a flame war anymore. I am too old :)

The question is, what do you let "idiot homer Skins fans" get to you?

Sonny#9

05-30-2008, 10:57 PM

I'd just say its because nobody is obsessed over there with internet posters. But thats just me

December 28th, 1996. I was still in 9th grade then.

About 2 weeks ago, I got my masters degree :)

but...but...but...f-f-ive Super Bowls...they're the GREATEST!! (actually "tied" for second greatest -- the Packers have 6 championships since the Cowboys inception in 1960, and 12 overall.)

cobra

05-31-2008, 12:05 AM

You still here? Maybe I stuttered. Let me try this again:

5 > 3

Get it? Until you can compete, you really ought to learn to shut your whole and go try to trash talk to someone inferior to you.

Super Bowls = point of playing.

We have won the NFL 5 times. You have not.

That means, by any definition of the word, that your franchise is inferior.

Inferior.

Got it?

5 > 3 MEANS Cowboys > Redskins. It means you are inferior. Lesser things do not have the right to talk trash to superior things. Doing so only makes you look like an idiot.

It's almost pathetic as some lesser country like Belarus trying to talk trash to the United States.

QUIT TRYING TO TALK TRASH. YOUR TEAM IS DEMONSTRABLY AND IRREFUTABLY INFERIOR.

SkinsHokieFan

05-31-2008, 01:29 PM

but...but...but...f-f-ive Super Bowls...they're the GREATEST!! (actually "tied" for second greatest -- the Packers have 6 championships since the Cowboys inception in 1960, and 12 overall.)

The best team EVER. I bow down to a team that I haven't seen win a playoff game since I was in 9th grade

Rampage

05-31-2008, 02:15 PM

Are you so insecure that you have to attack what these so-called blind homers are saying on their message board? If they're such idiots, why do you care what they say?

And yes there are blind homers here. I ignore them. For the most part, I ignore their homeristic drivel. I have very little interest in getting into a flame war anymore. I am too old :)

The question is, what do you let "idiot homer Skins fans" get to you?
they don't get to me. sometimes when i'm bored i'll go over there and see how tr1 is twisting a new cowboys article to make us look bad. it's good for a laugh. see you're just like tr1 trying to get a rise out of me with your little "are you insecure line?" it's so funny the jealousy and hatred coming from skins fans.

cobra

05-31-2008, 03:18 PM

The best team EVER. I bow down to a team that I haven't seen win a playoff game since I was in 9th grade

Whether we are or are not the best team ever is not the issue.

The issue in this thread is that we are superior to your team. Your team is inferior to our team. Irrefutable fact. It's amazing you can't admit it.

Instead, you'll change the subject.

FACT: The Redskins are an inferior franchise to the Cowboys.

Refute it without snark or .

cobra

05-31-2008, 03:25 PM

SkinsHokieFan

06-01-2008, 11:17 AM

While the only point here is that we are undeniably a superior franchise to the Redskins, the case can be made that we are the most successful NFL franchise, and therefore the greatest. See here:

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/records/playoffs/team/games

Most Seasons making the playoffs:
Tie for first place: Dallas and NYG (28)

Most consecutive seasons making the playoffs:
First place: Dallas (9)
Second Place: Dallas (8)

Most games in the playoffs:
First Place: Dallas (55)
Second Place: Pittsburgh (46)

Most playoff games won:
First Place: Dallas (32)
Second Place: Pittsburgh (28)

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/records/superbowls/team/games

Most Super Bowl Appearances
First Place: Dallas (8)
Second Place: Denver/Pitt (6)

Most Super Bowl Won
First Place tie: Dallas, Pittsburgh, San Fran (5)

We are leading the entire NFL in Playoffs and Super Bowls, appearances and wins. That means we either are the greatest NFL team or that we are at least in the argument as greatest NFL team.

Know which team isn't even in the argument? The inferior Redskins (noticeably absent from those lists).

To be quite honest, I could care less about Cowboy accomplishments. Its nice to pat yourself on the back. Generally, secure fans don't need to constantly remind themselves of their own greatness

Here is a fun fact for you (since you are all about facts)

The Redskins are 2-0 in NFC Championship games vs the Cowboys. 26-3 in 1972 and 31-17 in January of 1983. (Oh of course, one of those was during a strike year so a head to head matchup with the Cowboys doesn't count)

Quite honestly, its the only thing that matters to me, because head to head when all the chips are on the line, we have taken care of business :)

What is even more hysterical, is the obsession with a fan messageboard, that posters on this board have. That gets me the greatest laugh

Seven

06-01-2008, 01:15 PM

The best team EVER. I bow down to a team that I haven't seen win a playoff game since I was in 9th grade

Which by the way, I heard was thee best three years of your life.........;)

superpunk

06-01-2008, 02:40 PM

Quite honestly, its the only thing that matters to me, because head to head when all the chips are on the line, we have taken care of business :)

It's the only thing that matters to you because it's the only thing the Redskins have the advantage at - which if you're keeping score at home, makes it like 20-1. Don't pretend there's any other reason why it's the only thing that matters.

firehawk350

06-01-2008, 04:31 PM

Wait, you mean Skins fans are cherry-picking different stats to show that THEIR team is best? Of all the low-down dirty things... Surely, nobody else in the history of the world is guilty of such a crime.

Who the f cares honestly? You have a great history, congrats. Woo-hoo! Good for Dallas! The Skins have a decent history too. Hooray! Woo-hoo! Now if only we can roll that into something that matters...

Hostile

06-01-2008, 05:03 PM

Seven

06-02-2008, 01:28 AM

Who the f cares honestly? You have a great history, congrats. Woo-hoo! Good for Dallas! The Skins have a decent history too. Hooray! Woo-hoo! Now if only we can roll that into something that matters...

You'd be insane not to agree with this. (as of late) Nice post.

Sonny#9

06-02-2008, 08:44 AM

To be quite honest, I could care less about Cowboy accomplishments. Its nice to pat yourself on the back. Generally, secure fans don't need to constantly remind themselves of their own greatness

Here is a fun fact for you (since you are all about facts)

The Redskins are 2-0 in NFC Championship games vs the Cowboys. 26-3 in 1972 and 31-17 in January of 1983. (Oh of course, one of those was during a strike year so a head to head matchup with the Cowboys doesn't count)

Quite honestly, its the only thing that matters to me, because head to head when all the chips are on the line, we have taken care of business :)

What is even more hysterical, is the obsession with a fan messageboard, that posters on this board have. That gets me the greatest laugh

Notice he forgot one: consecutive playoff losses: 6 (tied for NFL Record). Most likely b/c it's current...

No one loves to pat themselves on the back for what happened 30 years ago then the Cowboys. I know several Steelers fans, and none of them are as self-aggrandizing as Cowboys fans. Plus these types of arguments are saved for those with limited grasp of football, or anything really going on with their team. Typically bandwagon-type fans.

zrinkill

06-02-2008, 09:39 AM

Great post, now watch the green eyed responses.

They have been coming fast and furious.

:lmao2:

Hostile

06-02-2008, 11:34 AM

They have been coming fast and furious.

:lmao2:I noticed. You know what is funny? These numbers don't matter because it is not their team. But you know as well as I do that if it were their team these numbers would be the whole point.

kapolani

06-02-2008, 11:51 AM

Notice he forgot one: consecutive playoff losses: 6 (tied for NFL Record). Most likely b/c it's current...

No one loves to pat themselves on the back for what happened 30 years ago then the Cowboys. I know several Steelers fans, and none of them are as self-aggrandizing as Cowboys fans. Plus these types of arguments are saved for those with limited grasp of football, or anything really going on with their team. Typically bandwagon-type fans.

When was the last time the Foreskins have dominated a decade?

When was the last time the Foreskins won 3 superbowls in a 4 year span?

Of course we like to pat ourselves on the backs. Past successes are called accomplishments. You play the game to win superbowls. You play the game to be the best in the league. You play the game to be world champions.

No matter how you try to break it down:

5 > 3

Sonny#9

06-02-2008, 12:34 PM

When was the last time the Foreskins have dominated a decade?

When was the last time the Foreskins won 3 superbowls in a 4 year span?

Of course we like to pat ourselves on the backs. Past successes are called accomplishments. You play the game to win superbowls. You play the game to be the best in the league. You play the game to be world champions.

No matter how you try to break it down:

5 > 3

You know who is obsessed with the past?

Old people. And those morbidly depressed about the present.

kapolani

06-02-2008, 12:52 PM

You know who is obsessed with the past?

Old people. And those morbidly depressed about the present.

Lol.

I'm in my 30's. Served my country for 5 years before going to college.

Now, I'm a senior software engineer pulling in a 6 figure salary.

I'm getting married this weekend. After our wedding we are going to Europe for a month for our honeymoon.

Me depressed about the present?

Hardly...

Oh, were you talking about football?

Let's see:

13-3 last year. We have a young, quickly rising star as QB - whose claim to fame isn't 'he shows great poise.'

Loaded defense that has gotten significantly better in the off season.

Loaded offense that is still improving and added more weapons into the mix.

Naw. No depression here.

I would, however, be depressed if:

1) I had a QB that people are still questioning if he has what it takes to be decent in this league (see JC's numbers. no improvement).

2) Had a new head coach.

3) Had a QB that had to learn a new system. A system, which in fact, is reliant on a QB that can make quick decisions, make short-medium accurate passes, all of which Jason 'Poise' Campbell hasn't shown he's able to do on a consistent basis.

4) I had an owner and FO that hasn't been getting it done since taking control of the team. (winning percentage isn't even .500 since Snyder bought the team).

Not depressed here - not depressed in the least...

Hostile

06-02-2008, 12:58 PM

You know who is obsessed with the past?

Old people. And those morbidly depressed about the present.:laugh2:

Says the guy with the username and number tribute to Mr. Sonny Jurgenson, 1957 to 1974.

kapolani

06-02-2008, 01:13 PM

:laugh2:

Says the guy with the username and number tribute to Mr. Sonny Jurgenson, 1957 to 1974.

http://home.md.metrocast.net/~rlee/pics/ohsnap.gif

Sonny#9

06-02-2008, 01:33 PM

Now, I'm a senior software engineer pulling in a 6 figure salary.

Congratulations? I really never understand people who post their resume on a message board.

Oh, were you talking about football?

Let's see:

13-3 last year. We have a young, quickly rising star as QB - whose claim to fame isn't 'he shows great poise.'

Loaded defense that has gotten significantly better in the off season.

Loaded offense that is still improving and added more weapons into the mix.

Naw. No depression here.

I would, however, be depressed if:

You're absolutely right -- this is probably the most talented team in the NFC. Yet they still can't get it done when it counts the most.

Not to mention is Phillips the type of coach you want running the show with all of the distractions already popping up: Ellis, Pacman Jones, Williams, Newman v. Williams, Hard Knocks, etc?

If Terrell Owens stays healthy, there is no reason this team shouldn't win less then 12 games. But then again, that's not their main problem is it?

1) I had a QB that people are still questioning if he has what it takes to be decent in this league (see JC's numbers. no improvement).

2) Had a new head coach.

3) Had a QB that had to learn a new system. A system, which in fact, is reliant on a QB that can make quick decisions, make short-medium accurate passes, all of which Jason 'Poise' Campbell hasn't shown he's able to do on a consistent basis.

4) I had an owner and FO that hasn't been getting it done since taking control of the team. (winning percentage isn't even .500 since Snyder bought the team).

Not depressed here - not depressed in the least...

1. The only people that are questioning Campbell are Cowboys fans (oh please, compare him to Quincy Carter...I love that one...). Everyone else says he's doing just fine. And his numbers did improve, especially his accuracy numbers -- 53.1% to 60%. That's a pretty significant jump. Admittedly, he probably will never put up the same numbers as Romo -- the good ones or the bad ones.

2. I have no idea what Zorn is bringing to the table, so we'll see there. This is a complete crap-shoot. You have as much evidence that he is going to fail as I do that he is going to succeed. He could be Andy Reid. He could be Rich Kotite.

3. It's actually not a new offense. He played quite well in College in the WCO. He also has much bigger targets this year. I am very excited about this season. Do I expect a whole lot? Nope. I would be ecstatic with 9-10 wins. I am very happy with the direction this team is going.

4. Here's the clincher...Bash Snyder, but Jones wasted the talent of three hall-of-famers with asinine coaching hires. That was one of the greatest teams ever -- and Jones' ego undermined the whole thing. And, in the time Snyder has owned the Redskins, Jones has fared little better. Then there is that whole NFL-Record-tying 6-consecutive playoff losses thing. 11 years, my friend. The fact is, The St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals have there one and only playoff win in almost 60 years over the Cowboys, at Texas Stadium.

Sonny#9

06-02-2008, 01:35 PM

:laugh2:

Says the guy with the username and number tribute to Mr. Sonny Jurgenson, 1957 to 1974.

Well you got me there...but then again not only was he a Redskin great, but he was a redheaded great. Us daywalkers need to stick together. :D

Hostile

06-02-2008, 01:36 PM

Well you got me there...but then again not only was he a Redskin great, but he was a redheaded great. Us daywalkers need to stick together. :D;)

I rarely miss. Rub some dirt on it.

kapolani

06-02-2008, 01:55 PM

Congratulations? I really never understand people who post their resume on a message board.

It was my retort to your assertion that I was either:

1) Old.
2) Depressed about my present.

You're absolutely right -- this is probably the most talented team in the NFC. Yet they still can't get it done when it counts the most.

Agreed. They haven't been able to put it together - yet. But, I don't recall the Skins accomplishing anything either 'when it counted the most.'

Not to mention is Phillips the type of coach you want running the show with all of the distractions already popping up: Ellis, Pacman Jones, Williams, Newman v. Williams, Hard Knocks, etc?

Meh. Who's to say? Parcells had to deal with it - we all know what type of coach he is - and he couldn't get it done.

If Terrell Owens stays healthy, there is no reason this team shouldn't win less then 12 games. But then again, that's not their main problem is it?

TO will be fine. If there's one thing we can be certain of with TO - he keeps himself in phenomenal shape. His work ethic can't questioned. His desire to win can't be questioned.

1. The only people that are questioning Campbell are Cowboys fans (oh please, compare him to Quincy Carter...I love that one...). Everyone else says he's doing just fine. And his numbers did improve, especially his accuracy numbers -- 53.1% to 60%. That's a pretty significant jump. Admittedly, he probably will never put up the same numbers as Romo -- the good ones or the bad ones.

Oh come on. I don't have the link, but there were a few articles questioning if JC is right for the job - one even originating out of the Post.

2. I have no idea what Zorn is bringing to the table, so we'll see there. This is a complete crap-shoot. You have as much evidence that he is going to fail as I do that he is going to succeed. He could be Andy Reid. He could be Rich Kotite.

Most of the evidence shows that when a new coach comes in and a new system is installed - growing pains follow.

3. It's actually not a new offense. He played quite well in College in the WCO. He also has much bigger targets this year. I am very excited about this season. Do I expect a whole lot? Nope. I would be ecstatic with 9-10 wins. I am very happy with the direction this team is going.

It is a new offense. It's a pro-style offense. JC hasn't shown that he can play in any offense with consistency.

And, lest we forget, doing well in college does not mean you're going to do well in the NFL. JC was going up against inferior talent for the most part when he played in college. Not to mention that he had a pair of 1k yard rushers in his back field.

4. Here's the clincher...Bash Snyder, but Jones wasted the talent of three hall-of-famers with asinine coaching hires. That was one of the greatest teams ever -- and Jones' ego undermined the whole thing. And, in the time Snyder has owned the Redskins, Jones has fared little better. Then there is that whole NFL-Record-tying 6-consecutive playoff losses thing. 11 years, my friend. The fact is, The St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals have there one and only playoff win in almost 60 years over the Cowboys, at Texas Stadium.

The major difference that you seem to be forgetting though:

JJ has won 3 superbowls since he took control of the team.

I'll leave you with this:

Jan. 7, 2006 NFC Wild Card Washington 17, Tampa Bay 10
Jan. 8, 2000 NFC Wild Card Washington 27, Detroit 13

Your team has won 2 playoff games in the last 15 years. Two playoff games. If that lights your fire and gets you out of bed every morning then that's not saying much...

Sonny#9

06-02-2008, 02:27 PM

It was my retort to your assertion that I was either:

1) Old.
2) Depressed about my present.

It was a joke, but whatever. I'm happy to argue football anytime.

Agreed. They haven't been able to put it together - yet. But, I don't recall the Skins accomplishing anything either 'when it counted the most.'

I personally think the Redskins overachieved last year -- especially accounting for the injuries they suffered. But then again the Redskins haven't been favored with win either.

Meh. Who's to say? Parcells had to deal with it - we all know what type of coach he is - and he couldn't get it done.

I think Parcells had this team on the cusp. Remember what he took over? Perhaps he could have avoided the distractions that precluded their playoff loss to the Giants last year, but that's a moot point.

I think the way Phillips handles the distractions is going to be a story worth watching.

TO will be fine. If there's one thing we can be certain of with TO - he keeps himself in phenomenal shape. His work ethic can't questioned. His desire to win can't be questioned.

I agree with you there -- but he's going to be 35. While he's in great shape, sooner or later, time catches up with us all. He is a rare talent, but there are VERY small handful that were productive after 35. Are you comfortable with a WR corps of Crayton, Hurd, Austin and Stanbeck?

Oh come on. I don't have the link, but there were a few articles questioning if JC is right for the job - one even originating out of the Post.

If it was Sally Jenkins, it isn't worth the paper it's written on...I'd like to see the link if possible.

Most of the evidence shows that when a new coach comes in and a new system is installed - growing pains follow.

Very true, for the most part. The defense though should be the same, if not better. I am looking forward to what Zorn is going to do with this offense. I certainly think he has more weapons.

And, lest we forget, doing well in college does not mean you're going to do well in the NFL. JC was going up against inferior talent for the most part when he played in college. Not to mention that he had a pair of 1k yard rushers in his back field.

Again, agreed, however he has shown the capability to run that kind of offense. And Portis and Betts are both 1000 yrd backs.

The major difference that you seem to be forgetting though:

JJ has won 3 superbowls since he took control of the team.

Yes he did. And he ripped it to shreds. Your comment was since Snyder took over the team, he hasn't done squat. Well, in the same time frame, neither has Jones.

Jan. 7, 2006 NFC Wild Card Washington 17, Tampa Bay 10
Jan. 8, 2000 NFC Wild Card Washington 27, Detroit 13

Dec. 28, 1996 NFC Wild Card Dallas 40, Minnesota 15

That's all I am going to say...it ain't much...but she's got it where it counts :)