Obama's Church: Hillary Cried Because White Supremacy Failed

[irvin88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

“When Hillary was crying … I really don’t believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought ‘This is mine. I’m Bill’s wife. I’m white. And this is mine’,” he said, shouting at times. “Then out of nowhere came, ‘Hey I’m Barack Obama’. And she said, ‘Oh damn! Where did you come from? I’m white! I’m entitled! There’s a black man stealing my show’!”

After that, he simulated Clinton crying and then said: “She wasn’t the only one crying. There was a whole lot of white people crying … I’m sorry. I don’t wanna get you in any more trouble. The live streaming just went out again.”

He also said at one point, “America has been raping people of color and America has to pay the price for the rape. “

[Bach]

:eek:

Not too surprised he is a typical Obama supporter.

[trickblue]

I'm disappointed this is the kind of thing that goes on in church pulpits in this nation...

I've never seen the like of hate being spewed out in the name of the Lord like this...

[ScipioCowboy]

I want to know where I can send my 401K.;)

[Cajuncowboy]

At some point, Obama will have to denounce his whole church. Unless he really believes all the stuff coming from the pulpit that he financially supports.

[SuspectCorner]

Is Father Mike a Catholic priest? Except for the attire I thought I was watching a Baptist minister...

[trickblue]

Is Father Mike a Catholic priest? Except for the attire I thought I was watching a Baptist minister...

ummm... no...

That would be a Charismatic minister...

I pray at some point in your life you would get SOMETHING right... you are about 0 for 10,000 at this point...

"obligatory pray for your soul stuff"... enjoy...

[ScipioCowboy]

At some point, Obama will have to denounce his whole church. Unless he really believes all the stuff coming from the pulpit that he financially supports.

One wonders if Obama's church isn't intentionally trying to sabotage him.

[SuspectCorner]

ummm... no...

That would be a Charismatic minister...

I pray at some point in your life you would get SOMETHING right... you are about 0 for 10,000 at this point...

"obligatory pray for your soul stuff"... enjoy...


Oh really.



"Priest Calls for Death of Gun Shop Owner"

On May 29th a Catholic Priest from Chicago's St. Sabina Church joined a rally in front of a gun shop and called for the owner of the shop and all pro-gun legislators to be "snuffed out", yet, the media is strangely silent on the "Father's" extreme comments -- words one would think would be explosive enough to get media coverage. Father Michael Pfleger, known the city over for his overt political activism, made the obscene comments while demonstrating with Jesse Jackson and his Organization Operation Push in front of Chuck's Gun Shop in Riverdale, a Chicago suburb.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/25660.html

[SuspectCorner]

Hey trick - where'd you go? No more personal insults? Not even snappy repartee?

[Bach]

I'm disappointed this is the kind of thing that goes on in church pulpits in this nation...

I've never seen the like of hate being spewed out in the name of the Lord like this...

I think it's safe to say that this isn't the norm. I wouldn't cast a generalize over most churches because Obama's is wacky.

[Doomsday101]

I think this priest was an embarrassment

[zrinkill]

Father Michael Pfleger, known the city over for his overt political activism, made the obscene comments while demonstrating with Jesse Jackson

The priest you are using as an example is partners with Jessie Jackson.


I do not think you made any case at all ...... again.


As a matter of fact

Father Pfleger's social activism has brought him recognition throughout Chicago and beyond. He has often collaborated and associated with African American religious, political and social activists such as Jeremiah Wright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright), Joseph Lowery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lowery), Jesse Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson), Cornel West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West), and Louis Farrakhan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan).

On March 28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_28), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008), Pfleger invited Jeremiah Wright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright), former pastor of presidential candidate Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama), to deliver a blessing at Saint Sabina during a visit by poet Maya Angelou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Angelou).

They are all on the same side.

[Hostile]

Oy.

We have met the enemy and he is us.

My gosh it's like they don't want him to win. When you're already being scrutinized it doesn't make sense to say and do such stupid stuff.

I feel for Barrack Obama. He must be thinking, "what the hell are they trying to do to me?"

[BrAinPaiNt]

Just think about high profile Preachers, Pastors or whatever title you wish to assign to them that have in some way wound up in political circles in one form or another.

We have Obamas guy. We recently had two associated with McCain (not saying they were HIS pastor/preachers) but associated with him.

We have Buchannon that is still in the media spotlight on a certain channel.

We had that one guy that was busted for prostitution and drugs a year or two back.

Maybe it is time for politicians to completely remove religious leaders from their political side of life.

[Vintage]

Whenever I walk into a Church, this is the stuff I half-expect to hear....

Sprinkle in some "money talk" aka give the church money, we like money, esp. your money with it....

[iceberg]

I think it's safe to say that this isn't the norm. I wouldn't cast a generalize over most churches because Obama's is wacky.

i wouldn't either. but it does make you wonder where their heart is if they listen to this all the time and believe it.

i've given obama the benefit of the doubt for a very long time on how he's handled this. but the more that comes out the harder it is to blow it off as rhetoric. if these types of hate events are held often at his church, why is he there listening to hate all the time?

i know people who do that and i don't wanna be around them. i sure don't want them running a country.

so if this church is the abnormal one out there - fine. no problem. but those are also called cults at times.

[iceberg]

Just think about high profile Preachers, Pastors or whatever title you wish to assign to them that have in some way wound up in political circles in one form or another.

We have Obamas guy. We recently had two associated with McCain (not saying they were HIS pastor/preachers) but associated with him.

We have Buchannon that is still in the media spotlight on a certain channel.

We had that one guy that was busted for prostitution and drugs a year or two back.

Maybe it is time for politicians to completely remove religious leaders from their political side of life.

funny you should mention that bp cause i was just wondering as i read back through this how much a "family man" it used to come across by coming out of church with his family. those images are kinda black and white kennedy'ish to me but that's just my imagination kicking in special effects.

but with religion getting more involved in politics, it does make it harder to mesh the two. when it was good, religion was reading the bible and hating evil. now it's a comedian up there putting on a show at times to setup the rage man who wants to hate your neighbor and put down the government.

gonna have to find an old school church to go to if you wanna run for office i suppose.

[iceberg]

ok, i did go back and watched the whole thing and the only thing that man accomplished was making me side with hillary.

hillary talks a LOT of smack. she lies but only when she speaks, but i have never heard her in my life heard her say "i'm white i'm entitled". i would be outraged with her if she did and i'm pretty torqued at a preacher making this a racial issue when i just does not have to be. he's the one stirring it up. he's implying things about hillary hoping it sticks just like people hate it when they imply things about obama and not doing the pledge because of a picture miscontrued.

that place is inciting anger and rage and if that's what obama wants to see and thinks that's what he has to fix, i have a big problem with that.

till today i would never have considered hillary over obama. now i just don't want either one but will see how this plays out for obama. if he doesn't reject what that jackwhipe was saying about entitlement to whitey, then i seriously question the motives behind him wanting to be president.

[Maikeru-sama]

Youtube is blocked here, so I am not aware of the content of the video or the context.

Preaching fire, brimstone and hatred is nothing but unfortunately, it is being presented as if this is something new.

I have already gone on record stating that Barack Obama doesn't have a chance of winning against John McCain.

I am somewhat suspicious of Barack Obama for very different reason but you all are kidding yourself if you think Bigots and Racist have not obtained some of the most powerful positions in the United States before, and that includes the Whitehouse.

[zrinkill]

I am somewhat suspicious of Barack Obama for very different reason but you all are kidding yourself if you think Bigots and Racist have not obtained some of the most powerful positions in the United States before, and that includes the Whitehouse.

I totally agree with that.

I do not question Obama's patriotism or his motives, I do not think Obama is a racist.

My problems with him are all founded in his policies and his election promises.

I am sure he is as good a man as you can be being a slimy politician in todays world.

Now if he wins the election I will stand beside him till he gives me reasons not to and will respect the Office of the Presidency.

[ScipioCowboy]

Hey trick - where'd you go? No more personal insults? Not even snappy repartee?

Save it. Trick has schooled you repeatedly. This minor error (assuming it is an error) changes nothing.

[SuspectCorner]

The priest you are using as an example is partners with Jessie Jackson.


I do not think you made any case at all ...... again.


As a matter of fact

Father Pfleger's social activism has brought him recognition throughout Chicago and beyond. He has often collaborated and associated with African American religious, political and social activists such as Jeremiah Wright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright), Joseph Lowery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lowery), Jesse Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson), Cornel West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West), and Louis Farrakhan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan).

On March 28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_28), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008), Pfleger invited Jeremiah Wright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright), former pastor of presidential candidate Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama), to deliver a blessing at Saint Sabina during a visit by poet Maya Angelou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Angelou).

They are all on the same side.

After viewing the vid I had the nerve to ask if "Father Mike" was a Catholic priest - for which I was insulted and, in so many words, told no.

So I then posted the evidence that he IS a Catholic priest. In your very own post you refer to him as a "priest".

Then you go on to say I didn't "make any case at all ...... again".

Why is that not surprising? :rolleyes:

[SuspectCorner]

Save it. Trick has schooled you repeatedly. This minor error (assuming it is an error) changes nothing.

Trick showed his bum by insulting me for having the audacity to ask if "Father Mike" was a Catholic priest. And now you show yours.

[iceberg]

Youtube is blocked here, so I am not aware of the content of the video or the context.

Preaching fire, brimstone and hatred is nothing but unfortunately, it is being presented as if this is something new.

I have already gone on record stating that Barack Obama doesn't have a chance of winning against John McCain.

I am somewhat suspicious of Barack Obama for very different reason but you all are kidding yourself if you think Bigots and Racist have not obtained some of the most powerful positions in the United States before, and that includes the Whitehouse.

he's basically a white preacher preaching to a lot of seemingly well to do people about how the white man has benefited from our forefathers sins and unless we're willing to give up our 401ks and comfy lifestyle, it's still not a fair world.

much applause from people who make good coin themselves and would not give up their worked for gains i'm sure.

then he goes off on how white people feel entitled to everything because they're white. hillary felt entitled to be president because she was white. then BARAK OBAMA CAME ALONG and a black man shot her down!!!

i don't doubt racist people are in high places. but at least they have enough sense to not spout it out to be used against them. if they do, they're just as stupid.

like i said, i instantly took hillarys side because i've never seen her say she's entitled cause she's white. crap is crap and i don't care where it comes from or who it's pointed it at. that's contrived bs and obama is taking a hit w/me (i'm sure he cares) if he stands by those statements.

i want us *all* to try and work together regardless of background or color. if you see black/white and fight black/white, i want no part of it.

[ScipioCowboy]

Trick showed his bum by insulting me for having the audacity to ask if "Father Mike" was a Catholic priest. And now you show yours.

Speaking of "showing yours," I have two points:

1) Whenever you feel the need to beat your chest in alleged victory over a particular point (i.e. refuting your opponent in one posting and then challening him over the same refutation in a seperate posting), you're simply revealing your own insecurities regarding the alleged victory.

2) I wasn't the one who chose to politicize a thread concerning fallen soldiers.

Physician, heal thyself!

[ConcordCowboy]

Man that is one screwed up church.

Pathetic.

[iceberg]

Man that is one screwed up church.

Pathetic.

on that we totally agree. : )

if that's how some people wanna live, great. but that kind of hate and "justice" i do not want in power. if they do this on a regular basis and obama is still there, i have to wonder why. up till now i've given him every benefit of doubt but i just can't stand one sided whining about how unfair life is because of who you are.

i felt dirty, but i support hillary on this one cause i've never seen her EVER say she's entitled to anything because she's white.

[DFWJC]

Is Father Mike a Catholic priest? Except for the attire I thought I was watching a Baptist minister...

Yes, amazingly, this dude is a Catholic priest. I saw a special on him about a month ago. He doesn't follow the normal Catholic approach though, that's for sure. I'm Protestant, but I do know Catholic priests are not suppossed to be the main act, but are to be mostly interchangable.

Anyone ever notice how this church seems to be more about glorifying the ministers (members or invited) than gloriying God?

[WoodysGirl]

May 30, 2008
Religion and politics: Do's and don'ts
With the end of the presidential primary season looming large, and the drag race that is the general election about to begin, I'd like to review the do's and don'ts for religious communities in the political arena.

First some assumptions:

1. I believe that religious communities should be fully engaged in addressing the moral and ethical issues of our day.

2. I also believe that the rules of non-partisanship required to maintain tax-exempt status are good ones and should be followed.

During election seasons we constantly see religious institutions and religious leaders of all persuasions getting into trouble for breaking the rules. We also see both politically liberal and conservative institutions being hyper-alert to their perceived opponents in enforcing the rules...sometimes justly, sometimes unjustly. Finally, we see politicians on both sides of the aisle showing blatant disregard for the rules and putting religious institutions at risk by their campaigning from the pulpit. It is not illegal for non-profit religious organizations to engage in partisan politics, but if they do, they risk losing their tax-exempt status.

Here are the basics of what religious institutions and religious leaders can and cannot do if they wish to retain their tax-exempt status. This comes from the Unitarian Universalist Association, Washington Office for Advocacy in their publication THE REAL RULES: Congregations and the IRS Guidelines On Advocacy, Lobbying, and Elections (http://www.uua.org/documents/washingtonoffice/real_rules.pdf). Much of the research for this publication was done by Houstonian, David May.

1. ISSUE ADVOCACY: Without limits on time, effort and expense, congregations and their representatives may engage in issue advocacy through activities such as educating and mobilizing congregants and the general public. Example : encouraging the public to show concern for global warming by reducing carbon emissions. Please note that issue advocacy is only acceptable if it does not involve political campaign intervention (see below).

2. LOBBYING: Within narrow limits on time, effort and expense, congregations and their representatives may engage in lobbying--defined by the IRS as advocating for or against specific pieces of legislation--as an "unsubstantial " portion of an organization's activities. The IRS has not provided a strict rule for what constitutes "unsubstantial," and evaluates on a case-by-case basis. However, courts and the IRS have ruled in the past that lobbying activity constituting 5% or less of total activities is acceptable. "Total activities" includes the total amount of money, staff, and volunteer time that goes into running the organization. While the 5% amount is not a strict rule, it can be used as a guidepost for an organization's lobbying activities. Example: encouraging a city council, state legislature, and/or Congress to pass a particular law to reduce carbon emissions.

3. POLITICAL CAMPAIGN INTERVENTION: There is a total limit on partisan activity, which the IRS calls political campaign intervention. Congregations and their representatives can do nothing that advocates for or against candidates for public office or political parties. This includes fundraising on behalf of candidates and donating meeting space, among other things. Example : supporting a particular candidate or party because of their stance on carbon emissions. Election-related activities such as candidate questionnaires and forums may be acceptable if certain guidelines are followed; consult section C., "Political (Electoral) Activities " of this guide for details.

Important Disclaimer: This resource is not intended to be formal legal advice; nor should it be used in place of legal counsel. It is intended to clarify Internal Revenue Service guidelines as they relate to religious organizations in the hope that more congregations will (1) choose to become involved in working for justice; and (2) know when it is important to seek legal advice.


I have taken the following Clergy Pledge (http://www.respectourfaith.org/clergypledge.html) created by the Texas Faith Network (http://www.tfn.org/site/PageServer?pagename=FaithNetwork). There is also a Layperson Pledge (http://www.respectourfaith.org/laypersonpledge.html) that you can endorse.

CLERGY PLEDGE
Because faith has always played a vital role in the public squares of Texas;

Because all religious traditions compel us to participate in the political decisions of our state;

Because God's concern is never fully represented in a single political party or candidate;

I PLEDGE TO PROMOTE FAITHFUL CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY BY:

- Ensuring that all political points of view are respected in my house of worship;
- Helping all members of my congregation to become informed about candidates and issues;
- Encouraging all members of my faith tradition to vote; and
- Inspiring the members of my congregation to let their faith convictions inform and infuse all of their actions in the public sphere.

I ALSO PLEDGE TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF MY CONGREGATION BY:

- Refraining from endorsing - or appearing to endorse - a candidate or political party in my capacity as a religious leader;
- Inviting all candidates to address my house of worship, if I invite any at all;
- Refusing to allow the distribution of partisan political literature in my congregation; and
- Avoiding the direct involvement of my congregation with partisan organizations or campaigns in any electioneering activities.


Blessings,

Rev Matt

Posted by Matt Tittle at May 30, 2008 09:36 AM

http://blogs.chron.com/keepthefaith/2008/05/religion_and_politics_dos_and.html

[Bach]

i felt dirty, but i support hillary on this one cause i've never seen her EVER say she's entitled to anything because she's white.

True. It's one thing to say Hillary almost felt the nomination was hers going into the campaign due to her name and then the high poll numbers a year ago.

But to say she felt entitled due to being white is ridiculous.

[DFWJC]

Whenever I walk into a Church, this is the stuff I half-expect to hear....

Sprinkle in some "money talk" aka give the church money, we like money, esp. your money with it....

Never once in my entire life have I been to a church that remotely resembles that. You have gone to the wrong places.

[gbrittain]

Never once in my entire life have I been to a church that remotely resembles that. You have gone to the wrong places.

Exactly.

My Dad as well as my Father In Law are both Pastors, and I can tell you the Churches they pastor are not about politics and money.

Lets remember that anyone can call themselves Christians, but that does not make it so.

All my life I have been lumped into the stereotypes that many people have about Christians and Churches.

Most of the Christians and Churches you see on TV are not even remotely representative of what I know to be a Christian or a Church.

[iceberg]

Exactly.

My Dad as well as my Father In Law are both Pastors, and I can tell you the Churches they pastor are not about politics and money.

Lets remember that anyone can call themselves Christians, but that does not make it so.

All my life I have been lumped into the stereotypes that many people have about Christians and Churches.

Most of the Christians and Churches you see on TV are not even remotely representative of what I know to be a Christian or a Church.

i was raised roman catholic and did the alterboy thing for awhile. read sermons in jr high during church summer camp for the congregation. in time i went another way but in all that time i rarely heard a priest raise their voice much more so than go through the ceremony and get a little emotinoal when off the cuff stuff happens.

never went to a church that advocated hating someone or putting them down so i feel better though.

now at the beginning of this dudes "rage", he made a joke about him not being interested in politics and the audience laughed. i would suppose at the "haha" joke of that statement. he's politically motivated and he seeks to divide.

i hate that combo.

[gbrittain]

i was raised roman catholic and did the alterboy thing for awhile. read sermons in jr high during church summer camp for the congregation. in time i went another way but in all that time i rarely heard a priest raise their voice much more so than go through the ceremony and get a little emotinoal when off the cuff stuff happens.

never went to a church that advocated hating someone or putting them down so i feel better though.

now at the beginning of this dudes "rage", he made a joke about him not being interested in politics and the audience laughed. i would suppose at the "haha" joke of that statement. he's politically motivated and he seeks to divide.

i hate that combo.

I agree 100%. It is sad really.

[Heisenberg]

I'm kind of burned out on the whole preacher and politics stuff.

If you're preaching politics from the pulpit, your tax exempt status should be revoked. Period. Keep that crap to yourself.

[burmafrd]

The Catholic church for a while came down hard on the far left priests who were espousing Liberation Theology, which was just a cover for extreme socialism and communism. They need to do the same to the other side as well. But then this is a church that tried to cover up widespread pedophilia as well.

[iceberg]

The Catholic church for a while came down hard on the far left priests who were espousing Liberation Theology, which was just a cover for extreme socialism and communism. They need to do the same to the other side as well. But then this is a church that tried to cover up widespread pedophilia as well.

i was a member of that faith for 25+ years.
i was an alter boy till i was 18
i went to a private catholic school for my entire elemtary years.

i never saw that.

you let the media yank your chain too much. yes it happened, yes it sucked, and yes those priests were sick and needed help. or to be shot. that's debatable.

if there were 100 bad priests, there are 10,000 good ones. you're letting not even 1% be "widespread" out of your own idiocy.

as usual.

[burmafrd]

Widespread it was and trying to deny it is a joke. And there are for all appearences a lot more then 100. And I notice you did not deny the cover up. Which to me is just about as bad as the pedophilia.


http://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2004_02_27_JohnJay/index.html

[SuspectCorner]

Widespread it was and trying to deny it is a joke. And there are for all appearences a lot more then 100. And I notice you did not deny the cover up. Which to me is just about as bad as the pedophilia.

I agree with burm. So it must be a cold day down there. :devil:

[iceberg]

Widespread it was and trying to deny it is a joke. And there are for all appearences a lot more then 100. And I notice you did not deny the cover up. Which to me is just about as bad as the pedophilia.


http://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2004_02_27_JohnJay/index.html

and from this article:
• The Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) reports a totalof 94,607 priests for the period 1960-2002. When we look at the time period covered by the CARA database, the number of priests with allegations of sexual abuse is 4,127. Thus, the percentage of priests [page 7 begins] accused for this time period is 4.3% if we rely on the CARA figures assessing the total number of priests.

so ~4% is widespread? terrible yes. inexcusable, yes. widespread? that's a personal call i would suppose so have at it cause we all know your gavel slamming is the final word on anything.