How did you arrive at your political views?

[Heisenberg]

I've been wanting to start a thread like this for a while and figured why not now? I'm curious how everyone came to their current views on politics?

Me? I guess I would describe myself as fiscally conservative and socially liberal. In an ideal world, Libertarian would match me perfectly, but being a 3rd party which does a miserable job of promoting themselves, it's a wasted vote.

So then it becomes a question of which do I value more? Do I value fiscal conservatism more? There really isn't a party in power right now that values that anymore. So that really goes out the window at this point. If we're going to spend ourselves into more and more debt each year, I'd rather it get spent domestically.

Do I value social liberalism more? Does it really matter? There's only one party in power that seems to value that as much as I do.

So where does that leave me? Democrat. I guess.

[theogt]

Divine revelation, of course.

In the same boat as you, but I place much more emphasis on economic conservatism as to social liberalism, for purely personal reasons (I'm a straight white guy with a reasonably high earning potential).

[Maikeru-sama]

Divine revelation, of course.

In the same boat as you, but I place much more emphasis on economic conservatism as to social liberalism, for purely personal reasons (I'm a straight white guy with a reasonably high earning potential).

Is this sarcasm?

[iceberg]

life.

my parents tried to give me values they shared and i put that against how i saw the world around me.

bp taught me the rest. : )

[theogt]

Is this sarcasm?What?

[iceberg]

What?

now i'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Boredom and the need to argue about topics and things that will probably never have any direct effect on me...but mostly...boredom.:D

I too am more fiscally conservative while being social liberal. I think many have freedoms and rights to do things but are down trodden or put out because of others views on what others view as acceptable or natural. I also am very anti racist because I think I live in an area that is very racist on an everyday basis.
Luckily for me my parents were never racist and looked down on that aspect of things. Very lucky in that aspect as much of what keeps racism alive is kids growing up with parents or family that are racist and it just becomes natural to follow suit.

Concerning fiscal responsibility I have a real problem when it is preached while at the same time the people doing the preaching are spending like drunken sailors at a cat house. I have a problem when it seems they give a tax rebate check and instead of preaching responsibility it seems they want to motivate people to use the money on uneeded things in order to stimulate the economy.

An example of this was a thread 3-5 months ago when someone asked what everyone would do with their rebate check. The wide majority talked about getting stereos, speakers or some type of entertainment things. While only a handful talked about using the money to pay off some bills. I would think the responsible thing would be to pay off bills instead of just blowing the money. However everyone is entitled to use the money for what they want. I just found it odd.

But boredom and the occasional need to argue a great deal is why I am active in the political zone for the most part. However it bores me sometimes with repetition in some arguments and I will go some time without getting into it before I can go back to it.

[Cajuncowboy]

Boredom and the need to argue about topics and things that will probably never have any direct effect on me...but mostly...boredom.:D

I too am more fiscally conservative while being social liberal. I think many have freedoms and rights to do things but are down trodden or put out because of others views on what others view as acceptable or natural. I also am very anti racist because I think I live in an area that is very racist on an everyday basis.
Luckily for me my parents were never racist and looked down on that aspect of things. Very lucky in that aspect as much of what keeps racism alive is kids growing up with parents or family that are racist and it just becomes natural to follow suit.

Concerning fiscal responsibility I have a real problem when it is preached while at the same time the people doing the preaching are spending like drunken sailors at a cat house. I have a problem when it seems they give a tax rebate check and instead of preaching responsibility it seems they want to motivate people to use the money on uneeded things in order to stimulate the economy.

An example of this was a thread 3-5 months ago when someone asked what everyone would do with their rebate check. The wide majority talked about getting stereos, speakers or some type of entertainment things. While only a handful talked about using the money to pay off some bills. I would think the responsible thing would be to pay off bills instead of just blowing the money. However everyone is entitled to use the money for what they want. I just found it odd.

But boredom and the occasional need to argue a great deal is why I am active in the political zone for the most part. However it bores me sometimes with repetition in some arguments and I will go some time without getting into it before I can go back to it.

Man, I wanted one of those rebate thingys! :mad:

[Cajuncowboy]

How did you arrive at your political views?

I'm a reformed liberal.

I know, hard to believe ain't it???

[Hostile]

I started paying attention to politics when I was 16. So I have 28 years of observing that neither party really make any difference despite all their promises. Brought me to my political views that neither party cares enough to do anything. Especially if it means working with the other party to accomplish something. I like policies and people on both sides of the coin. I dislike policies and people on both sides of the coin.

[burmafrd]

Partly from my father who was pretty conservative but still a Democrat. Of course its pretty much illegal to be a conservative democrat anymore.
My mother is somewhat conservative but still a democrat. She is much more liberal then my father was though.
I studied history at an early age and then went to the University of Iowa where the liberals already were in control of the history and Poli sci departments in the late 70's. They were teaching back then that the cold war was all the US's fault and that the communists were just misunderstood and we were the bad guys. I knew that was BS and started arguing with them untill they threatened to lower my grades. I tried to do to the dean but he refused to do anything. Left with no choice I basically shut up and toed the line- BUT I hated it and began to hate them. I think that is pretty much when I became a hard core conservative.

[speedkilz88]

Jimmy Carter pretty much ruined any chances of me being a democrat and I was just a little kid.

[SuspectCorner]

Read them off the back of a cereal box.

[AtlCB]

My views are based on my life experiences. My father was in the military, and I joined the Navy after high school. I was honorably discharged and have been a civilian for quite some time working as an accountant. I have a lot of respect for those people who serve in the military, because of my time there. My time in the military has made me a little bitter towards the older democrats in Congress due to their history of voting against pay raises for the military while voting themselves huge payraises, since their paychecks that were 10 times greater than those lower ranked enlisted guys weren't enough to live on. :rolleyes: I was also a little bitter about the fact that people on welfare in Virginia at that time were making more money for doing nothing that I was working 80+ hours a week in the Navy. Bill Clinton had the guts to actually take on his own party to fix this issue.

From working in the military and doing a couple of accounting internships with the government, I was stunned by how inefficient the government was. At a county board of education office, I was stunned to see them using computer equipment that was over ten years old. Most tasks were still done by hand. The first company that I worked for was able to accomplish these same tasks using one-fifth the number that this government office was using. I also learned how promotions were handed out in the government system. These promotions were based more on seniority than merit.

While in the Navy, I saw how inefficient the unions made the big shipyard in Newport News. The shipyard let the union have whatever they wanted, since they would simply pass these costs onto the military. The shipyard also had considerable influence over the city, state, and federal government. The only govenment agency that the shipyard and the Navy actually feared was OSHA and the NRC.

Being an accountant, I am irked by the fact that Congress cannot balance the budget or keep accurate financial records. A company that cannot control its expenses and run itself efficiently will not stay in business very long. A corporation that cannot keep acceptable financial records will be shutdown by the very same federal government that cannot accomplish this same task themselves.

My main view of government is that they should only provide only certain necessary services - military, police, firefighting, infrastructure, etc. Socially, I do not believe the government should have the right to legislate morality to adults. You should have the freedom to do what you want as long as it doesn't interfere with the government of the rights of other citizens.

[ScipioCowboy]

Here's my take:

As we go through life, many of us pass through various political phases while maintaining a core set of beliefs that shape a constant underlying political identity.

In high school, I was a staunch Republican, an unreptenant political ideologue who supported all party-sponsored legislation and positions. In my mind, Republican was synomymous with good and Democrat with bad. Thankfully, my post-high school and college years brought with them a new wisdom, revealing the utter ludicrousy of my position; there were good and bad people on both sides of the political fence.

I eventually decided to reevaluate my core values. They were undoubtedly Christian, and I desired to be as -like as possible. But what exactly did it mean to be Christian? And how would I implement Christian values in my political life? These were questions I needed to answer myself, independent of a political party or any other group.

This journey of self-discovery was quite liberating. Fiscally, I moved closer towards the political center: I actually came to support labor unions; they have faults, but the country would be a far worse place without them. I became more open to the prospect of universal healthcare, though I have yet to encounter a proposed system I would support. I oppose most free trade and any other policies that encourage outsourcing. I now wholly support and understand the logic of imposing certain regulations on big corporation.

I remain very conservative on certain social issues such as abortion and gun control. I despise the Patriot Act and any other form of legislation that would make it easier for the government to spy and track citizens.

This past election marked the first time I voted for mostly Libertarian candidates.

[ologan]

I started paying attention to politics when I was 16. So I have 28 years of observing that neither party really make any difference despite all their promises. Brought me to my political views that neither party cares enough to do anything. Especially if it means working with the other party to accomplish something. I like policies and people on both sides of the coin. I dislike policies and people on both sides of the coin.

Whaaa....Your only 44? And all this time,I thought you were much older,and perhaps much wiser....Someone I could take life lessons from. I am soooo disappointed,and.....Naw,forget it. It's time to move on...The world is full of nothing but upstart kids!

[PosterChild]

Well, I'm pretty sure like most people my political views are a reflection of my values and life experience. I reject any party affiliation because political parties are self-perpetuating, power-hungry, soulless monsters. But if I had to choose affiliation I'd say the Libertarian Party mirrors my philosophies and values most closely.

[Cajuncowboy]

Read them off the back of a cereal box.

Fruit Loops I'll bet.

:D

[SuspectCorner]

Fruit Loops I'll bet.

:D

Silly capitalist - Marx is for kids! *




*and no, I'm not really a Marxist...

[CowboyFan74]

I just hate paying extortion/taxes to murders and thieves, errr I mean poli-tick-shuns....:mad:

[Yeagermeister]

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[SuspectCorner]

http://www.sydneywesterndarts.com/Sydneywesterndarts3_files/dartboard.jpeg

:lmao2: :lmao: :bow:

[ninja]

Conservative Republican. I rate Democrats even lower than Washington Redskin fans. Churchill said it nearly best: If at twenty you are not liberal, you have no heart. If at fifty you are not conservative, you have no head.

Although, I think Churchill had the ages slightly off. If at 12 you are not liberal, you have no heart. If at 20 you are not conservative, you have no head.

Take a look at the Left wingers and Democrats: Union freaks, lawyers, gays, feminazis, welfare receivers, etc. Do you really want to associate yourself with that bunch of freaks? I don't!

[Hostile]

Whaaa....Your only 44? And all this time,I thought you were much older,and perhaps much wiser....Someone I could take life lessons from. I am soooo disappointed,and.....Naw,forget it. It's time to move on...The world is full of nothing but upstart kids!I'm not sure if this I am old but not wise, or wise but not old.

:grin:

[The30YardSlant]

Many liberal political views go directly against my morals and values, thus I am a conservative

[theebs]

I started paying attention to politics when I was 16. So I have 28 years of observing that neither party really make any difference despite all their promises. Brought me to my political views that neither party cares enough to do anything. Especially if it means working with the other party to accomplish something. I like policies and people on both sides of the coin. I dislike policies and people on both sides of the coin.


I agree. They are all the same at the end of the day. Greedy egomaniacs.

Which is a perfect fit since all they really do (politicians) is sign forms to help corporations get more advantages and get wealthier. they are bought and paid for by the top corporations in this country and after there elections the givebacks start coming.

The more this continues and it will forever the further the country and the middle ground of this country evaporates.

yes go ahead and skewer me now.

[theebs]

Conservative Republican. I rate Democrats even lower than Washington Redskin fans. Churchill said it nearly best: If at twenty you are not liberal, you have no heart. If at fifty you are not conservative, you have no head.

Although, I think Churchill had the ages slightly off. If at 12 you are not liberal, you have no heart. If at 20 you are not conservative, you have no head.

Take a look at the Left wingers and Democrats: Union freaks, lawyers, gays, feminazis, welfare receivers, etc. Do you really want to associate yourself with that bunch of freaks? I don't!


wow nice to see that you have an open mind and judge people on an individual basis.

[peplaw06]

Conservative Republican. I rate Democrats even lower than Washington Redskin fans. Churchill said it nearly best: If at twenty you are not liberal, you have no heart. If at fifty you are not conservative, you have no head.

Although, I think Churchill had the ages slightly off. If at 12 you are not liberal, you have no heart. If at 20 you are not conservative, you have no head.

Take a look at the Left wingers and Democrats: Union freaks, lawyers, gays, feminazis, welfare receivers, etc. Do you really want to associate yourself with that bunch of freaks? I don't!

This post is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever heard. And that's coming from a conservative. You can't be a conservative, because you clearly have no head.

[Hostile]

I agree. They are all the same at the end of the day. Greedy egomaniacs.

Which is a perfect fit since all they really do (politicians) is sign forms to help corporations get more advantages and get wealthier. they are bought and paid for by the top corporations in this country and after there elections the givebacks start coming.

The more this continues and it will forever the further the country and the middle ground of this country evaporates.

yes go ahead and skewer me now.I honestly do believe that a vast majority of politicians get into politics thinking that they actually can make a difference. I think they get frustrated and simply join the crowd and become the rule rather the exception. It's truly a pity.

Maserati's motto is really true in politics. "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

[theebs]

I honestly do believe that a vast majority of politicians get into politics thinking that they actually can make a difference. I think they get frustrated and simply join the crowd and become the rule rather the exception. It's truly a pity.

Maserati's motto is really true in politics. "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."


there is no doubt about it.

To get elected you have to have power. To have power you have to have the backing of the wealthiest corps and individuals. Then you have to give back after there part is done.

I mean if your biggest contributor is a large financial institution and you get elected you in turn then owe them. They didnt give you money because they like your beliefs, but because of the belief that you will play your part in the game. Like the bankruptcy laws for instance. one hand washes the other.

in the meantime the middle is getting eaten away and will never come back.

and any politician who speaks his mind freely and has ideas different from the bought and paid for politicians just gets played in the media as kooks and nuts by both parties and there machine just eats them alive.

a person who runs for office with the best intentions of the individual in mind when it comes to issues like poverty, health care, insurance etc... has no chance. Those are the key kogs in getting elected, if you dont play the game you have no chance. Insurance and financial institutions dont exactly get behind candidates who look to expose there greedy slimy ways.

unfortunately the public just picks a side every 2 and 4 years and sits by for the medias news cycle to completely destroy everybody and then buys all the hoopla hook line and sinker.

[Doomsday101]

1st time voter I voted Democrat (Jimmy Carter) however was not much into politics at the time. As my interest increased in politics I found many of the same values and ideals within the Republican Party that were closer to my own view points.

[BrAinPaiNt]

1st time voter I voted Democrat (Jimmy Carter) however was not much into politics at the time. As my interest increased in politics I found many of the same values and ideals within the Republican Party that were closer to my own view points.

You voted for Carter...no wonder you are so bitter. I voted for W in his first run so I know the bitterness.:p:

[Doomsday101]

It had a bit less to do with Jimmy than it did the democratic platform. I don’t share the views of the liberals who run the Democratic Party. I will say there are some moderate democrats who I have sided with from time to time and yes there are some far right republicans who I have disagreed with but by and large my views are more in line with the GOP.

[Maikeru-sama]

Conservative Republican. I rate Democrats even lower than Washington Redskin fans. Churchill said it nearly best: If at twenty you are not liberal, you have no heart. If at fifty you are not conservative, you have no head.

Although, I think Churchill had the ages slightly off. If at 12 you are not liberal, you have no heart. If at 20 you are not conservative, you have no head.

Take a look at the Left wingers and Democrats: Union freaks, lawyers, gays, feminazis, welfare receivers, etc. Do you really want to associate yourself with that bunch of freaks? I don't!

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[zrinkill]

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That kinda looks like me .....:lmao2:

[Vintage]

In High School, I was a liberal.... (not on everything though; I opposed gay marriage then and have changed my opinion on that.... I was/still am anti-Death penalty, but the reason for that has changed drastically).

I still remain socially liberal (support legalizing marijuana, think the Drug Wars are epic failures/waste of tax money, support gay marriage).

I really do not like government intervention into people's lives, be it in the form of preventing freedoms/liberties and taxes/redistribution programs, etc....

I think the government has two roles to serve: protecting freedoms/liberties promised to us by the Constitutions and providing security from foreign invaders/foreign threats.

I tend to be Libertarian, but I side myself with the Republicans come election time... it bothers me to an extent....

Beyond that, the gov't can .


Edit: How did I get there? I was liberal in H.S. My H.S. math teacher one day was discussing politics with me (for the most part, I had no clue.... as we talked, I realized I had more in common with Conservatives than Liberals). I began switching over my Jr-Sr in H.S........College has basically reinforced that.

[REDVOLUTION]

I dont believe in the system.

Because the system is broken... I dont believe in the people.

If someone tries to change too much it rattles too many cages. Game over.


Therefore... I have no party.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I dont believe in the system.

Because the system is broken... I dont believe in the people.

If someone tries to change too much it rattles too many cages. Game over.


Therefore... I have no party.

You gotta fight, for your right...to paaaaarty.

Ok...some may not start singing that 80's song or know what I am babbling about but that is the song that popped in my head when I read your last line.:laugh2:

[braw]

Political view is so broad a subject. Three areas of politics are at work, in your social network, and party affiliation.

At work since you have to deal with different personalities I tend to be Liberal.

In my social network I tend to be conservative. You tend to deal with individuals of like mind( talk shop)

Now on party affiliation: non existent since in High school I read The Prince and Fountainhead. I view the political system consisting of the Capitalist (Owners of business) and Laborers (those that sell their sweat and/or time for money).

So then the capitalist # 1 controlable cost is labor. So are political systems job is to curtail labor cost by the product of creating( Democrate) and cutting jobs( Republican).

Thats when you see a Democrate in office he puts pressure on companies to create more jobs and more govt programs( Which are BS jobs with low level pay).

While a Republican in the last 30 years opperate on the tricle down effect from the top down. Tax breaks for Companies to help relief some of its debt or burden instead of closing the business allow it to downsize. Because you have high labor costs from big salaries( Have been with the company for 8 yrs and are receiving high benefits). Downsize allows the company to cut high paying jobs.

Then When Dems are in office the same company hires new people at a lower pay for the same job.

You know just like the NFL does with its Vets.

[AtlCB]

Political view is so broad a subject. Three areas of politics are at work, in your social network, and party affiliation.

At work since you have to deal with different personalities I tend to be Liberal.

In my social network I tend to be conservative. You tend to deal with individuals of like mind( talk shop)

Now on party affiliation: non existent since in High school I read The Prince and Fountainhead. I view the political system consisting of the Capitalist (Owners of business) and Laborers (those that sell their sweat and/or time for money).

So then the capitalist # 1 controlable cost is labor. So are political systems job is to curtail labor cost by the product of creating( Democrate) and cutting jobs( Republican).

Thats when you see a Democrate in office he puts pressure on companies to create more jobs and more govt programs( Which are BS jobs with low level pay).

While a Republican in the last 30 years opperate on the tricle down effect from the top down. Tax breaks for Companies to help relief some of its debt or burden instead of closing the business allow it to downsize. Because you have high labor costs from big salaries( Have been with the company for 8 yrs and are receiving high benefits). Downsize allows the company to cut high paying jobs.

Then When Dems are in office the same company hires new people at a lower pay for the same job.

You know just like the NFL does with its Vets.That doesn't always work. Unemployment rates were much higher during Carter's time in office that Reagan's. On the other hand, unemployment rates were lower during Clinton's term that either of the Bushs'.

The difference between the Repubs and Dems is that the Republicans want to use government to control your morality and Democrats want to use government to control your finances.

[zrinkill]

The difference between the Repubs and Dems is that the Republicans want to use government to control your morality and Democrats want to use government to control your finances.

:bow:

I am stealing that.

[braw]

That doesn't always work. Unemployment rates were much higher during Carter's time in office that Reagan's. On the other hand, unemployment rates were lower during Clinton's term that either of the Bushs'.

The difference between the Repubs and Dems is that the Republicans want to use government to control your morality and Democrats want to use government to control your finances.

You are correct but those numbers are different than my comment. Unemployment % are when you claim unemployment and when a company downsizes the people who were released are so experienced that they find a job usually at a pay cut so no need to claim unemployment.

When a Dem is in office those are BS low level jobs that people tend to claim unemployment instead of another BS job.

[AtlCB]

:bow:

I am stealing that.
Be my guest.




Just don't forget my royalties. :D

[justbob]

How did you arrive at your political views?

I'm a reformed liberal.

I know, hard to believe ain't it???

Glad you saw the light my brother:D

[justbob]

conservative socially and fiscally---brought up with certain values that I can find on the liberal side

[DFWJC]

Jimmy Carter pretty much ruined any chances of me being a democrat and I was just a little kid.

Well Mr Obama will be giving you another chance to vote for Jimmy Carter if you begin to miss those days.:D

[hank2k]

Well Mr Obama will be giving you another chance to vote for Jimmy Carter if you begin to miss those days.:D

Have you heard of the 90's?

You know, when a guy named Bush was ruining the country and a democrat had to rescue it?

When all the republican talking heads were saying doomsday was here cause Clinton won?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n6_v45/ai_13580874


When the opposite happened?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Bill_Clinton_Budget_+_Economy.htm

Obamas economic plan is pretty similar to HRC's
(http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/washington/2008/02/19/Clinton-and-Obama-Economic-Plans) so take the Jimmy Carter comparisons back to 1992. That playbook didnt work then and its not going to work now.

[DragonCowboy]

Interestingly it seems that people are becoming more and more on the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" side (which tends to be in line with the Libertarian Party).

If it wasn't such a useless party, I might actually vote for Barr.

[Bach]

I said to myself, "what would do?"

I then started voting for the most conservative candidate in the race.
:cool:

[Vintage]

I said to myself, "what would do?"

I then started voting for the most conservative candidate in the race.
:cool:

What a load of crap.....

[Bach]

What a load of crap.....

:nono:

[hank2k]

I said to myself, "what would do?"

I then started voting for the most conservative candidate in the race.
:cool:


was/is a liberal.:D :D

http://www.jesusisaliberal.org/

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1019-24.htm

http://jesuswasaliberal.blogspot.com/

http://www.right-wing-pseudo-christians.com/ -liberal-conservative.htm

[burmafrd]

but hank you would call someone who espoused the same views today a conservative.

[hank2k]

but hank you would call someone who espoused the same views today a conservative.



· In Matthew 25:31-46, proclaims that how you treat the hungry, the thirsty, the sick and other "least of these," is how you treat himself. And if you fail to help the "least of these," promises, he will send you to Hell.

The right wingers would call this " " guy a socialist.

[ScipioCowboy]

· In Matthew 25:31-46, proclaims that how you treat the hungry, the thirsty, the sick and other "least of these," is how you treat himself. And if you fail to help the "least of these," promises, he will send you to Hell.

The right wingers would call this " " guy a socialist.

"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk amoung you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord , that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread." 2 Thessalonians 3:13

There's a marked between the genuinely needy, to whom made reference, and the entitlement welfare state that certain people on the Left are endeavoring so tenaciously to create.

[hank2k]

"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk amoung you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord , that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread." 2 Thessalonians 3:13

There's a marked between the genuinely needy, to whom made reference, and the entitlement welfare state that certain people on the Left are endeavoring so tenaciously to create.

I agree, but that "certain people" quote IMHO includes only a small percentage of democrats (tho many repubs think its all of us).For example:
"At a certain point, welfare got separated from the idea of work," "There was the welfare rights movement, and people started talking as if you were just entitled to an income, whether you were trying or not. And ordinary working people — black and white — would hear that and say, 'Now hold on a second. I'm getting up at 4:30 in the morning and taking a bus two hours to get to a job, and you're telling me that you have a right to something,' and they resent it. Work has to be an important component of any anti-poverty agenda."

above said by noted welfare state proponent Barack Hussein Obama

[STAR GAZER]

there is no doubt about it.

To get elected you have to have power. To have power you have to have the backing of the wealthiest corps and individuals. Then you have to give back after there part is done.

I mean if your biggest contributor is a large financial institution and you get elected you in turn then owe them. They didnt give you money because they like your beliefs, but because of the belief that you will play your part in the game. Like the bankruptcy laws for instance. one hand washes the other.

in the meantime the middle is getting eaten away and will never come back.

and any politician who speaks his mind freely and has ideas different from the bought and paid for politicians just gets played in the media as kooks and nuts by both parties and there machine just eats them alive.

a person who runs for office with the best intentions of the individual in mind when it comes to issues like poverty, health care, insurance etc... has no chance. Those are the key kogs in getting elected, if you dont play the game you have no chance. Insurance and financial institutions dont exactly get behind candidates who look to expose there greedy slimy ways.

unfortunately the public just picks a side every 2 and 4 years and sits by for the medias news cycle to completely destroy everybody and then buys all the hoopla hook line and sinker.

Theebs, as soon as I saw this thread, I was going to say this very thing. It seems every time an election roles around, I start dwelling on this one issue. It's the root of all our problems. And when I realize no one is going to do anything about it, I just say to hell with the elections.

Campaign Finance Reform is critical to Americas future. The corporations decide what America's interests are. The Government is just a tool for Corporate America. Nearly every policy both domestic and international are motivated by the interests of big business.

We are destroying our fundamental principals of democracy. We once represented freedom. and human rights. Now, if either of these issues stand in the way of Big Blue, then people are going to pay the price with their blood. We have got to get our priorities straight. The last 50+ years have spoiled our principles.

I have some incredible documentaries that provide some serious insight. What is in the best interest of the American people, and National security, is taking a back seat to the preservation of corporate profits.

I'm tempted to upload these documentaries to Cowboys Media and make them available to this forum.

We have to begin a serious change starting with getting Big Brothers hands out of Big Blues pocket.:mad:

[Vintage]

Nothing like ruining a thread by bringing the bible into it, lol.....

[Maikeru-sama]

Nothing like ruining a thread by bringing the bible into it, lol.....

Tell me about.

Some people are just compelled to remind us of where they stand religiously, while conveniently forgetting about other 1,000,000 times they apprised us of it.

[Maikeru-sama]

We are destroying our fundamental principals of democracy. We once represented freedom. and human rights.


I agree with alot of what you said, however I do disagree with the above comment.

The United States has its fair share of problem but when compared to other countries, we still stack up pretty good with regards to Human Rights and Freedom.

Personally, the scariest thing about America right now is the educational system. If we do not get this institution under control, we are going to be in really big trouble.

[Cajuncowboy]

· In Matthew 25:31-46, proclaims that how you treat the hungry, the thirsty, the sick and other "least of these," is how you treat himself. And if you fail to help the "least of these," promises, he will send you to Hell.

The right wingers would call this " " guy a socialist.

No he was a compassionate conservative. :cool:

[Cajuncowboy]

Tell me about.

Some people are just compelled to remind us of where they stand religiously, while conveniently forgetting about other 1,000,000 times they apprised us of it.

Please take note that the first remark was made in jest somewhat, indicated by the smilie.

Also please take note that the ones who made it an issue was the liberals and thus the debate began.

Further, the thread was asking how you came to your political views. Why should this , if being serious, was the way someone came to those views,should it be any less credible than yours or anyone else's?

Seems kinda narrow minded to me to take exception to how one came to those views.

[Hostile]

At times we let this go. It's to the point in this thread that we can't.

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It's pretty obvious it got started as a joke, but naturally some see that as an invitation.