Now she wants to be VP...

[vta]

Please go away. Please.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton on Tuesday told New York lawmakers she is open to being the running mate of Sen. Barack Obama, her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, two of the lawmakers told CNN.


Sen. Hillary Clinton trails Obama by 159 delegates and is 201 delegates shy of capturing the nomination.
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Rep. Charles Rangel, a senior member of the New York Democratic delegation, also told CNN, "I have reason to believe she is open to the [vice president] slot."

One of the sources added that former President Clinton has been privately pushing for a couple of weeks for his wife to be No. 2 on the ticket.

On Monday night, a close friend and advisor of the former first lady told CNN that Clinton will say tonight "that she will do whatever it takes" to put a Democrat in the White House. Barack Obama insiders saw that as an indication she would accept an offer to be his running mate if asked.

"In her speech [Tuesday] night, she will convey the message that first and foremost she is committed to Democrats winning in November and will do whatever she's asked to do," the Clinton advisor said.

"She will do whatever it takes to bring the party together to win and whatever is asked of her to make sure the Republicans are defeated," the advisor added.

[Hostile]

If I were him, I wouldn't touch that option with a 10 foot pole.

[vta]

He should chuckle. Then move on.

[Heisenberg]

He would repair some hard feelings, but hellllll no.

[Mavs Man]

I'm not sure how he would benefit from that.

Pass.

[JBond]

Why won't she go away? I can't take much more. Just go away, please!

[Doomsday101]

In ways this presents a problem. Obama now could almost be forced to have her on the ticket or else the deep seeded resentment some of the Hillary supporters have shown would only grow deeper if they feel she is being snubbed.

[BigDPlayer]

I am curious why some of you think having her on the ticket would be a bad idea? Is it due to her very substantial and long standing negatives?

I must admit I am torn on the idea. On one hand, she is a disgustingly cunning and manipulative politican that has shown, time and again, her willingness to do and say ANYTHING to win; up to and including blatant cheating and lying. On the other hand, having her on the ticket could help bring in women and hispanice and a whole heckuvalot of people that voted for her.

Question is do the negatives outweigh the positives? Further, would those people that she brings to the voting booth vote for Obama anyway?

[Hostile]

I am curious why some of you think having her on the ticket would be a bad idea? Is it due to her very substantial and long standing negatives?

I must admit I am torn on the idea. On one hand, she is a disgustingly cunning and manipulative politican that has shown, time and again, her willingness to do and say ANYTHING to win; up to and including blatant cheating and lying. On the other hand, having her on the ticket could help bring in women and hispanice and a whole heckuvalot of people that voted for her.

Question is do the negatives outweigh the positives? Further, would those people that she brings to the voting booth vote for Obama anyway?Because I do not want her to be President under any circumstance and I would not want anything to happen to Obama so that she could be.

[BigDPlayer]

Good answer! And I absolutely agree.

It also brings up my biggest fear about Obama... which is the possibility that he'll be assasinated.

[iceberg]

I am curious why some of you think having her on the ticket would be a bad idea? Is it due to her very substantial and long standing negatives?

I must admit I am torn on the idea. On one hand, she is a disgustingly cunning and manipulative politican that has shown, time and again, her willingness to do and say ANYTHING to win; up to and including blatant cheating and lying. On the other hand, having her on the ticket could help bring in women and hispanice and a whole heckuvalot of people that voted for her.

Question is do the negatives outweigh the positives? Further, would those people that she brings to the voting booth vote for Obama anyway?

because as mean, cold and callous as this may sound, i would not be surprised if the dems took the white house, obama ended up dead somehow inside 6 months.

you can almost see the betting begin in vegas.

[Maikeru-sama]

I have stated many times that an Obama/Clinton Ticket would sink like the Titanic.

Also, I do not believe this country is ready to have an African-American and a Woman occupying the White House at the same time, that is too much change, that is my personal belief.

Far from that, Barack Obama needs to fill the number two spot with someone that has some age on him/her, some skins on the wall and with more moderate views to counter his lack of experience and perception that he is extremely left wing.

Obama/Clinton 2008 would be a total disaster.

[BigDPlayer]

I understand what you are saying. That said, there are MANY on the left that would call Obama/Clinton the "Dream Ticket". What is it they are seeing that we are missing?

Personally, I think those on the left calling for the "Dream Ticket" are vastly underestimating the galvanizing power of Hillary Clinton to the right. Having her anywhere NEAR the ticket will do more than anything John McCain could to get out their vote.

I think having her on the ticket would do more bad than good... I just wonder what those calling it the "Dream Ticket" are sweeing that I'm not.

[Hostile]

I understand what you are saying. That said, there are MANY on the left that would call Obama/Clinton the "Dream Ticket". What is it they are seeing that we are missing?

Personally, I think those on the left calling for the "Dream Ticket" are vastly underestimating the galvanizing power of Hillary Clinton to the right. Having her anywhere NEAR the ticket will do more than anything John McCain could to get out their vote.

I think having her on the ticket would do more bad than good... I just wonder what those calling it the "Dream Ticket" are sweeing that I'm not.The two most powerful 2008 candidates united.

It might be a dream ticket, but I would hate it.

Bush Sr. had 8 years as Veep, and 4 as Pres. for 12 years.
Bill Clinton had 8 years.
Bush Jr. will have 8 years.

That is 28 years of Clinton and Bush in the White House in one capacity or another. 4 or 8 more years with her as Veep would be 36 years.

Enough is enough. Let her stay in the Senate in NY.

[Heisenberg]

I've had it explained to me by my dad. He's a life-long Republican and a faithful listener of Rush. He told me that he wasn't all that enthused with McCain and might not even bother voting this election UNLESS Hillary managed to win the nomination or get on the ticket somehow.

At that point he said he'd go door to door to make sure she never got there. There is a LOT of hatred for her on the right. Obama doesn't really inspire as much hatred. You won't get as much of the anti-vote out as you would if she were connected with the ticket and that might be the difference between winning and losing.

[BigDPlayer]

I think you're right on the money Ozzu.

[SuspectCorner]

I don't see Hillary. Bill Richardson or a moderate Dem.

[jimmy40]

Good answer! And I absolutely agree.

It also brings up my biggest fear about Obama... which is the possibility that he'll be assasinated.no kidding, by Hillary.

[Maikeru-sama]

It also brings up my biggest fear about Obama... which is the possibility that he'll be assasinated.

I must have missed this?

I have some relatives, most notably my brother who thinks he would be assasinated.

All I can say is that all hell would probably break lose if that were to happen.

However, I do not think he would be assasinated but he could because others have been.

[hank2k]

Despite what some may think,this is not really a national election. Some states are just out of reach for Obama (much of the south ) and in some states like CA and NY (full of liberals) McCain has no shot.

Really there are like 15 or so states (probably fewer) that are "in play" so the VP choice of either candidate could be someone who would help deliver those.

As for the polarizing effect of HRC and potential to galvanize the right , Im not so sure.

I believed this at one time, but the many people who are turning out to vote for her are white lower educated (comparatively)"bubba" types (see West Virginia and Kentucky) and women , 2 groups Obama needs to get on his side.

The real problem with HRC on the ticket is how to promote the "Change" agenda with her there.

Id kinda like to see Wesley Clarke if she isnt the choice.

[Hostile]

I must have missed this?

I have some relatives, most notably my brother who thinks he would be assasinated.

All I can say is that all hell would probably break lose if that were to happen.

However, I do not think he would be assasinated but he could because others have been.Chris Rock once joked about a Black President being assassinated. I think every President is a target for some wacko. I think racially motivated wackos are more dangerous.

I don't think he would be either, but I don't think so because I believe the Secret Service guys are better than ever.

[Maikeru-sama]

I believed this at one time, but the many people who are turning out to vote for her are white lower educated (comparatively)"bubba" types (see West Virginia and Kentucky) and women , 2 groups Obama needs to get on his side.

The real problem with HRC on the ticket is how to promote the "Change" agenda with her there.

Id kinda like to see Wesley Clarke if she isnt the choice.

Interesting. If someone were to come in here and refer to Blacks as the N word, you would be all up in arms.

Anyway, the only real boon Barack Obama would get is the bitter Hilary Supporters who may not vote or may decide to vote for McCain.

An Obama/Clinton ticket has absolutely no shot at winning and if I were McCain and a partisan Republican I would really be chomping at the bits if this were to happen.

This is why he won't do it, he won't shoot the idea down because you never want to burn bridges and you don't want to alienate people.

[hank2k]

Interesting. If someone were to come in here and refer to Blacks as the N word, you would be all up in arms.

Anyway, the only real boon Barack Obama would get is the bitter Hilary Supporters who may not vote or may decide to vote for McCain.

An Obama/Clinton ticket has absolutely no shot at winning and if I were McCain and a partisan Republican I would really be chomping at the bits if this were to happen.

This is why he won't do it, he won't shoot the idea down because you never want to burn bridges and you don't want to alienate people.


If HRC was on the ticket as veep,you're saying her supporters would vote for Mccain?

No way.

Bottom line, he (Obama)needs those people who voted for her to vote for him to beat McCain, especially in key swing states like PA and Ohio.

He also needs the Hispanic vote and she is much more popular with them than he is.

[Doomsday101]

If HRC was on the ticket as veep,you're saying her supporters would vote for Mccain?

No way.

Bottom line, he (Obama)needs those people who voted for her to vote for him to beat McCain, especially in key swing states like PA and Ohio.

He also needs the Hispanic vote and she is much more popular with them than he is.

Some of her supporters will vote for Obama and others will not. CNN was interviewing several Hillary supporters and not all are in Obama pocket and some even went as far as saying yes they will vote for McCain.

[hank2k]

Some of her supporters will vote for Obama and others will not. CNN was interviewing several Hillary supporters and not all are in Obama pocket and some even went as far as saying yes they will vote for McCain.

That is if HRC is not on the ticket. If she is of course they will vote for her/him.

[Doomsday101]

That is if HRC is not on the ticket. If she is of course they will vote for her/him.

I would think more would than wouldn't but some of HRC supporters went as far as saying they did not think America was ready for a black president. Those are not my words or views in was a few of her supporters views.

[Doomsday101]

I did find the comment from a liberal talk show host that was on CNN to be a bit funny when he said if Obama taps Hillary as a running mate he may also want to hire an official food taster.:laugh2:

[hank2k]

I would think more would than wouldn't but some of HRC supporters went as far as saying they did not think America was ready for a black president. Those are not my words or views in was a few of her supporters views.

That doesnt necessarily mean they wont vote for an OBama/HRC ticket, it just means they think there are still lots of racists out there who wont vote for him.

Either way, I dont see him winning without her really getting behind him and getting her supporters to vote for him.

Of course she could half heartedly back him and sabotage his election plans strengthening her for a 2012 run.

I wouldnt put it past her.

[Doomsday101]

That doesnt necessarily mean they wont vote for an OBama/HRC ticket, it just means they think there are still lots of racists out there who wont vote for him.

Either way, I dont see him winning without her really getting behind him and getting her supporters to vote for him.

Of course she could half heartedly back him and sabotage his election plans strengthening her for a 2012 run.

I wouldnt put it past her.

Look I'm only saying what they said when the question was asked to them. If you don't like it take it up with them. I'm only the messenger I could careless if Obama picks her or not and see both pro and con for the republicans with her on a ticket. But according to some HRC supporters no they will not vote for him if she is or is not on the ticket. Most will but not all

[DallasFanSince86]

Despite what some may think,this is not really a national election. Some states are just out of reach for Obama (much of the south ) and in some states like CA and NY (full of liberals) McCain has no shot.

Really there are like 15 or so states (probably fewer) that are "in play" so the VP choice of either candidate could be someone who would help deliver those.

As for the polarizing effect of HRC and potential to galvanize the right , Im not so sure.

I believed this at one time, but the many people who are turning out to vote for her are white lower educated (comparatively)"bubba" types (see West Virginia and Kentucky) and women , 2 groups Obama needs to get on his side.

The real problem with HRC on the ticket is how to promote the "Change" agenda with her there.

Id kinda like to see Wesley Clarke if she isnt the choice.

Interesting. If someone were to come in here and refer to Blacks as the N word, you would be all up in arms.

Anyway, the only real boon Barack Obama would get is the bitter Hilary Supporters who may not vote or may decide to vote for McCain.

An Obama/Clinton ticket has absolutely no shot at winning and if I were McCain and a partisan Republican I would really be chomping at the bits if this were to happen.

This is why he won't do it, he won't shoot the idea down because you never want to burn bridges and you don't want to alienate people.

We have have been called worst, or at least I have. :laugh2:

I did find the comment from a liberal talk show host that was on CNN to be a bit funny when he said if Obama taps Hillary as a running mate he may also want to hire an official food taster.:laugh2:

:laugh2:

He was telling the truth.:eek:

[hank2k]

Look I'm only saying what they said when the question was asked to them. If you don't like it take it up with them. I'm only the messenger I could careless if Obama picks her or not and see both pro and con for the republicans with her on a ticket. But according to some HRC supporters no they will not vote for him if she is or is not on the ticket. Most will but not all

I have not seen any HRC supporters state that if she is on the ticket, they will still not vote for him.

But I could be wrong.

[Maikeru-sama]

If HRC was on the ticket as veep,you're saying her supporters would vote for Mccain?

No way.

Bottom line, he (Obama)needs those people who voted for her to vote for him to beat McCain, especially in key swing states like PA and Ohio.

He also needs the Hispanic vote and she is much more popular with them than he is.

Yep. I don't think all of them would but based on what I have heard and what I have read, there is a faction in the Hillary Clinton camp who think she was railroaded and they were ashamed of some of the Democrats who did not speak out against some of the vitriol thrown Clinton's way because she was a woman.

I know the diatribe Chris Matthews went into a while back about Hilary Clinton is only a Presidential Candidate because Bill Clinton cheated on her was especially pointed to by the aforementioned people.

[Doomsday101]

I have not seen any HRC supporters state that if she is on the ticket, they will still not vote for him.

But I could be wrong.

Only saying what I saw in the interviews they were doing. Most Dem are going to vote for Obama no matter who is on the ticket as most political experts say people vote for Presidents not VP's. As for Hillary supporters most will support Obama just not all.

[Maikeru-sama]

Only saying what I saw in the interviews they were doing. Most Dem are going to vote for Obama no matter who is on the ticket as most political experts say people vote for Presidents not VP's. As for Hillary supporters most will support Obama just not all.

Yep, I saw that same segment.

People need to realize the Hilary/Obama primary season was extremely bitter and some may even vote Republican.

[Hostile]

Yep, I saw that same segment.

People need to realize the Hilary/Obama primary season was extremely bitter and some may even vote Republican.And risk being labled a neocon?

~shudder~

;)

[Doomsday101]

Yep, I saw that same segment.

People need to realize the Hilary/Obama primary season was extremely bitter and some may even vote Republican.

It was brutal and I think a point some have made makes sense. How would Obama feel about having Hillary and more importantly Bill Clinton and their baggage with him in the white house? I don't think that plays into his theme of change.

[Heisenberg]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh10/seftons/clintonstaked.jpg

[REDVOLUTION]

He would repair some hard feelings, but hellllll no.

You are not thinking big picture.

He would better his chances of being first black president. She would benefit by being first woman vice president.

They both actually need each other.

By doing this they unite the democratic party... long term.... as in by election day.


I'm not sure how he would benefit from that.

Pass.

See above.

[Doomsday101]

You are not thinking big picture.

He would better his chances of being first black president. She would benefit by being first woman vice president.

They both actually need each other.

By doing this they unite the democratic party... long term.... as in by election day.




See above.


Problem would be she would still be there along with Bill after the election is over. :laugh2: It also would be hard to sell his talk of change when he has the Clinton and their past baggage with them. Right now the object for both Obama and McCain is too sure up their base but just as importantly is to attract the swing vote.

[iceberg]

By doing this they unite the democratic party... long term.... as in by election day.


and party unity has been a motto for hillary for how long? if she were to do this it would not be to unite the party but to keep her hopes alive of being president should something happen to obama.

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh10/seftons/clintonstaked.jpg

:laugh2: I think we have a winner.

[Maikeru-sama]

and party unity has been a motto for hillary for how long? if she were to do this it would not be to unite the party but to keep her hopes alive of being president should something happen to obama.

:hammer:

[zrinkill]

Anyone seen Jtterell lately?

[sacase]

Chris Rock once joked about a Black President being assassinated. I think every President is a target for some wacko. I think racially motivated wackos are more dangerous.

I don't think he would be either, but I don't think so because I believe the Secret Service guys are better than ever.

Hos, it isn't some random wackjob that Obama has to worry about, its Hillary. Even the Secrect Service cannot protect Obama from her. I would not want her as my VP, that is like walking in Falluja with nothing but an American flag wrapped around you. Its not a question of if, its how and when.

Obama would have to have a person food tester, fresh sheets and underwear every day, strait out the pack. HE can't even think about going to london or he might get some Radiation poisoning. I would not want to have HRC anywhere near me.

[Hostile]

Hos, it isn't some random wackjob that Obama has to worry about, its Hillary. Even the Secrect Service cannot protect Obama from her. I would not want her as my VP, that is like walking in Falluja with nothing but an American flag wrapped around you. Its not a question of if, its how and when.

Obama would have to have a person food tester, fresh sheets and underwear every day, strait out the pack. HE can't even think about going to london or he might get some Radiation poisoning. I would not want to have HRC anywhere near me.I didn't want to say it for fear someone would be offended. I agree. I would never trust her.

[Doomsday101]

I didn't want to say it for fear someone would be offended. I agree. I would never trust her.

I agree. Obama may not have the same skills level to avoid sniper fire the way Hillary does. :lmao2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

I agree. Obama may not have the same skills level to avoid sniper fire the way Hillary does. :lmao2:

:laugh2: She has the ability to go back in time and change things...must be a power they give politicians because so many do it.

[SuspectCorner]

Few things should deter your average assassin more than the thought of Hillary ascending to the Presidency.

The "Hillary For VP" idea may have some practical merit after all. :)

[AtlCB]

Few things should deter your average assassin more than the thought of Hillary ascending to the Presidency.

The "Hillary For VP" idea may have some practical merit after all. :)

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

You have a point.