hilarious - AdamJT13 vrs tr1 regarding cowboys cap situation

[sonnyboy]

....our heavy weight AdamJT13 is tearing tr1 a new you know what over at ES.

[CowboyFan74]

Direct Link??

[sonnyboy]

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249480&page=17&pp=15

It's not pretty, that moron tried to take on Adam about a cap related issue in a thread I know he wishes he never started.

[theogt]

Conclusion -- bubba and tr1 are remarkably stupid.

[burmafrd]

How long before Adam is banned for making a skin troll look stupid? Art must be asleep.

[DallasFanSince86]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Adam had a few Redskins and Eagles fans agreeing with him and tr1 was still going at it.

[sonnyboy]

I think Adam may have called it a night himself, as I'm about to. Go back and read the whole thread, or at least the last 10 pages.

It's especially sweet if you know what an *** tr1 is. It's just page after page of tr1 making an *** of himself and our guy telling him exactly why.

[sonnyboy]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Adam had a few Redskins and Eagles fans agreeing with him and tr1 was still going at it.

I know its hysterical. Its like a fighter who's had more than enough and needs to stay down.

[DTK]

LOL. I've been keeping my eye on that one too. That TR1 guys is absolutley in love with the Cowboys. That's all he posts. He tries to spin things his way and he's too stupid to get out of his own way. I'd love to meet this clown face to face just to see how stupid he looks and sounds.

[theebs]

that was hillarious.

I havent been on that site since about thanksgiving of last year.

Its amazing how stupid tr1 and bubba are. That thread should be enough for everyone to see how goofy those guys are.

If that type of tail whipping happened to me I wouldnt be around to much anymore.

oh and watching them refute adams info is pretty hysterical. I wish adam would have shown them the article from this past season where TODD ARCHER used ADAMJT13 as a source for a correction on something he wrote concerning the salary cap. I believe Archer called him an expert.

then again, tr1 and bubba like much of the people on that site should stick to cowboys suck and jessica simpson threads, anything more than that and it gets a little to difficult for them.

[dragub]

Pure commedy.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249480

[dragub]

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Originally Posted by tr1
Oh, okay....the Skins HAVE to do it...the pukes ELECT to do it.



That's correct. But I suppose you could argue that the Redskins ELECT to do it rather than cut a bunch of players they'd rather keep. But when you're over the cap, you HAVE to do something to get under the cap. When you already have enough cap space, you don't HAVE to do it.


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So the pukes wouldn't have re-signed Flo had Romo not re-structured FIRST?


What are you talking about?

Flozell Adams re-signed on February 28. Romo didn't restructure until May 16.

Unless the Cowboys plan on making another big-name acquisition this offseason, they already had all of the cap room they needed for this season before restructuring Romo's contract.

And they certainly didn't restructure Leonard Davis' contract to create cap room this season, considering that it RAISED his cap number for this season by $750,000. They did it to create even more cap room NEXT season.


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Originally Posted by bubba9497
could the Pokes sign the extensions, resign FloSlo, and their rookies if they didn't restructure contracts?



Yes, they absolutely could. Adams was resigned back in February, as I already explained. Giving extensions to Owens and Barber CREATED cap room this season. On the other hand, restructuring Davis' contract USED cap room this season.

Again, the restructuring the Cowboys did -- Romo and Davis -- was done to create cap room NEXT season. They Cowboys DID NOT need to create any cap room in order to complete any of the contracts they recently gave out or to sign all of their draft picks. They already had more than enough.

As far as Ware and Hamlin, Ware won't be a free agent until 2010. And if that's an uncapped year, he'll be just a restricted free agent. And giving Hamlin a big new contract could create even more cap room this season.
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Originally Posted by tr1
The pukes had to give Newman and Barber a raise this year, or they'd be GONE next year. That FORCED the puke to restructure Romo and Davis...two guys whose ink on their contracts had barely dried from last year.

You guys thrive on semantics. The fact is, if the restructures didn't happen, there was no way the pukes would keep Newman and Barber happy.



That's absolutely false. Giving Barber and Newman new contracts used up a net $1,146,583. The Cowboys already had a cap cushion of more than that, not to mention that extending Terrell Owens' contract opened up another $2.945 million.

And as I've said several times, restructuring Davis' contract COST the Cowboys $750,000 of cap room this season, so they certainly weren't "forced" to restructure his contract.
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Originally Posted by bubba9497
If the Pokes restructured even though they didn't have to to accomplish what they wanted to do.... that would make them pretty **** stupid



Again, the restructurings were done to MAXIMIZE their cap room next season. Unless the CBA is extended before next March, cap room next year will be at a premium because of the 30 Percent Rule and other rules (such as the LTBE/NLTBE rule and the no-June-2 rule). Because of the opt-out, the day the Cowboys restructured the contracts of Romo and Davis (pushing cap charges from 2008 and 2009 into 2010 and beyond) was the last day teams could structure contracts that way.

Now, teams can't use that mechanism to create cap room in 2009, and any new contracts, restructurings or renegotiations that extend into 2010 must follow those rules that restrict how contracts are structured in 2009 and beyond.

It's not stupid to take advantage of a mechanism that allows you to create cap room this season and next season -- especially if next season ends up being the final year of the cap (not likely, but still possible).
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Originally Posted by tr1
You mean RESTRUCTURING Owens' contract...don't you?



No, restructuring is changing how money is paid in a contract without changing the length of the contract or the amount of the contract. In other words, the length stays the same and the amount stays the same, the only thing "restructured" is when money is paid or how it is paid.

Owens' contract was set to expire after the 2008 season. The Cowboys gave him more money just in a signing bonus than he was due to earn this season and extended his contract through 2011. That's a contract extension, not a restucturing.



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The fact is, to keep Barber and Newman, the pukes were FORCED to restructure.


That's absolutely false.
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Originally Posted by tr1
You're trying to make us believe that there was a possibility Jerruh would have extended Barber and Newman and left no cap for next year....but he CHOSE not to.

Nonsense.



Have you understood ANYTHING in this thread?

Extending Barber and Newman without restructuring Romo and Davis WOULD NOT have "left no cap" in 2009. It would have left more than $11 million of cap room -- not even including the contracts that automatically void (which will add another $5.7 million of cap room). Since when is $16.7 million of cap room -- or even $11 million -- a small amount? That's more than enough, especially considering that the only starters who aren't already signed for 2009 are Marc Colombo, Ken Hamlin, Chris Canty and Zach Thomas (if his contract voids). And that doesn't even take into account any leftover cap room from this season that will be pushed into 2009.

DO THE MATH. It's not complicated
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Originally Posted by tr1
I did the Ware math.


Ware won't be a free agent until 2010.


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There's a reason Jerruh did the restructuring...I guess you think it was just for kicks.


I already said why. He wanted to maximize the Cowboys' cap room this season and next. That's why.

You're trying to claim that the Cowboys had to restructure Romo and Davis in order to sign Barber and Newman, which is absolutely ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by tr1
Which means that Jerruh will want him locked up as soon as this season is over.



He doesn't HAVE to lock him up after this season. He's already under contract for 2009. If he wants to, he can. Or he can wait until after the 2009 season.


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Especially with the new rules coming down the pike.


The new rules already are here, which is why I said he probably will wait until the CBA is resolved. If there's no CBA extension, the Cowboys can wait to re-sign Ware in an uncapped season. If the CBA is extended before the 2010 league year, then those new rules likely go back to the old rules (depending on whether the new CBA changes anything).


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Do you really think this doesn't come into play during the negotiation of the restructure?


Like I said, I've NEVER seen a restructuring involve the payment of money that previously had been nonguaranteed incentives. If you want to pretend it comes into play, feel free.
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Originally Posted by Waldo da Magnificent
We know, we know. You cannot do basic math. You cannot follow a timeline of player signings, cap deadlines and restructures. You repeatedly change the subject and show no ability to follow a linear conversation.



It's hilarious watching his argument repeatedly change after he's been proven wrong.

First he claimed Dallas wouldn't have resigned Flozell Adams unless Romo restructured first. (Fact: Adams resigned almost three months before Romo restructured.)

Then he claimed signing Barber and Newman "forced" the Cowboys to restructure Romo and Davis. (Fact: The Cowboys would have had plenty of cap room for Barber and Newman, this season and next, even if Romo and Davis had never restructured.)

Then he claimed signing Barber and Newman without restructuring Romo and Davis would have "eaten up ALL of the cap for next year." (Fact: Even without Romo and Davis restructuring, the Cowboys would be more than $11 million under the projected 2009 cap right now -- not including the $5.7 million more they'll get from automatically voided contracts, the extra cap room pushed forward or any other moves that will save cap room).

Now his whole argument is based on Jerry Jones needing cap room in 2009 because he WANTS to re-sign Ware an entire year before Ware is scheduled to become a RESTRICTED free agent in an UNCAPPED year.

(Fact: If Jerry does WANT to re-sign Ware next season, he could give him the biggest contract ever for a linebacker and STILL have plenty of cap room left.)
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Originally Posted by tr1
Adams resigning left the pukes $4 million below the cap...or in puke fan speak, cap ***.



Since when is $4 million of cap room and every starter already either signed or tendered being in cap trouble?



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His signing along with the tenders to Barber, set up the restructures...but don't take my word for it, take cowboys.com's:

"Luis Dominguez, Mexico City: With the signings of Flo and Zach Thomas, the tenders issued to Marion Barber, Chris Canty and Joe Berger, and the franchise tag on Ken Hamlin, how much money is left to spend? The draft is still far away.

Mickey: It sure is, and maybe not far enough away after the Cowboys basically nailed their salary cap for $12 million to accomplish the above. It's my understanding they only have about $4 million left under the cap once Ferguson passes a physical to make that trade official, and that's certainly not enough to even fund their draft. They will have to clear some more cap space by either restructuring a few contracts or releasing a player or two with escalating base salaries to create some cap space if their accelerated signing bonus don't eat up the gains. The Cowboys just signed their big free agent of the off-season: Flozell Adams. "
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.c...5CCB9148368EFED (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=67D25D2E-E6A9-BA52-55CCB9148368EFED)


Mickey Spagnola has less knowledge about the cap than even you, hard as that might seem to believe. You might as well ask him to explain nuclear physics.

Even you understand that $4 million is far more than enough to "fund their draft," because -- unlike Spagnola -- you understand the Rule of 51 and how it applies to drafted players. Right?



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Barber's and Newman's extensions may have actually taken place right AFTER Romo and Davis' restructures. That's what allowed for those extensions.

"To aid in the re-signing of Pro Bowl running back Marion Barber -- now a starter -- and Pro Bowl cornerback Terence Newman, he reworked his contract, as did right guard Leonard Davis, to free up salary-cap space."

http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/695362.html (http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/695362.html)

You are the only person I know who dosen't think the restructures had anything to do with Barber and Newman. Again, from cowboys.com:

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To help facilitate the signings of Newman and Barber, the Cowboys did create more cap space for this year and next by making slight adjustments to the contracts of quarterback Tony Romo and guard Leonard Davis. Romo basically was paid $12 million in guaranteed money he was scheduled to receive over the next couple of years as signing bonus so the amount could be prorated over the life of the deal and turned some of Davis' base salary for next year into bonus money paid immediately. The moves created $3 million in cap space this year and $8 million next year."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.c...92831D55243B114 (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=0DD2FE98-BB93-C663-C92831D55243B114)


Both of those articles included faulty assumptions by uninformed writers. The article YOU posted at the beginning of this thread refutes the idea that the Cowboys had to restructure Romo and Davis in order to sign Barber and Newman.


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And now you admit that Jerruh will probably want to sign Ware next year...something you tried to dismiss.


I never said he probably will. I've said all along that he probably will wait until the CBA issue is resolved.

What I said was that IF Jerry WANTS to re-sign Ware, he can do it at any time. He won't HAVE to re-sign him next year, but he certainly can if he wants. He has plenty of cap room to do it, and he'll have plenty afterward.


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when you tell everyone you have a friend who feeds you inside information, well, I just gotta say, bull****.


And you would be completely wrong. If you know PCinOz at all (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/...php?userid=458) (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/member.php?userid=458)), ask him whether my information is correct. I've passed on a bunch of Redskins cap and contract information to him over the years. Or ask any of the fans of other teams (or members of the media) who have asked me for information over the years. I guarantee you won't find one who has found my information to be wrong.



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In your world, Jerruh pays guaranteed money for grins and giggles.


I've never said that. He has a purpose for restructuring contracts -- it's just not because he is "forced" to do it, as you claim.
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Originally Posted by tr1
I thought I was done with this thread, but I can't let some of this crap go unchallenged....consider the ego of an fan who thinks he knows more about the pukes and their $$$ than Mickey Spagnola!



YOU know more about the cap than Mickey Spagnola. Seriously. He's clueless about all things salary cap-related. I don't know how many times he said the Cowboys needed to have cap room in order to make their picks in the draft this year, which anyone with even a small amount of knowledge about the cap knows is wrong. And of course, I'm sure you also know WHY that's wrong.



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And, AGAIN, if it was plenty of room, why guarantee money for Romo and Davis?


To get even MORE cap room. How many times does it need to be said? The Cowboys DID NOT have to restructure Romo and Davis in order to sign Barber and Newman. Anyone who has basic math skills can figure that out.



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Even I understood Spags to say that the $4 was in addition to the rookie pool.


What Mickey said was, "It's my understanding they only have about $4 million left under the cap once Ferguson passes a physical to make that trade official, and that's certainly not enough to even fund their draft. They will have to clear some more cap space by either restructuring a few contracts or releasing a player or two with escalating base salaries to create some cap space if their accelerated signing bonus don't eat up the gains."

And you "understood" that to mean it was in addition to the rookie pool? (It wasn't -- the Cowboys had exactly $3,982,788 of cap room when Mickey wrote that.)

If you "understood" it was in addition to the rookie pool, why would you claim the Cowboys were in cap trouble? An extra $4 million in cap room would be more than enough to add a big-name wide receiver or anyone else the Cowboys wanted.

And if it was in addition to the rookie pool, why would he say "that's certainly not enough to even fund their draft"? Why would he say "they will have to clear some more cap space"?

It's obviously because he doesn't know as much about the cap as you or most other fans.

And of course, you know how the rookie pool and rookie signings affect the salary cap. You know why Mickey is wrong. You just don't want to admit it.


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Here's my guess: you're part of the organization


Wait a minute. A few posts ago, you said I don't have any inside information. Now you think I'm part of the organization?

Which is it? Do I have accurate information or not?


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And, I didn't see ANY RETRACTIONS to these stories. I guess you either didn't inform them they were wrong, or the blew you off. I guess, B.


I don't bother telling them they're wrong. The truth comes out eventually -- such as in the article YOU POSTED at the start of this thread.


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I just did.


Where, in your imagination?

Show ONE example of the cap information I've provided ANY fan of ANY team being wrong. Or show ONE person whom I've provided information who says it was wrong.



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I'm just glad you're not a Skins fan.


Me, too. So at least we agree on one thing.
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Originally Posted by tr1
I'm sorry, but Spagnola has it right.



He has what right? (What's your version THIS time of what he said?)

Do you think he said the Cowboys were $4 million under the cap on Feb. 29 in addition to the rookie pool (ie., actually more cap room than that, but the rookies would use all but $4 million)?

Or is that $4 million under the cap NOT including the rookies, who would use up some or all of that $4 million when they were signed?

And do you agree with Mickey that every team must have room under the cap -- $295,000 per draft choice -- in order to make each pick during the draft?

If you think Mickey is always correct, your answers to these questions should be obvious. And if you know about the salary cap, you know what the answers really are. So it's up to you to choose between the two.

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Let me ask you, did Romo and Davis restructure BEFORE Barber and Newman signed?


Romo restructured four days earlier, on May 16. Davis restructured the same day, May 20.



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If these were so independent of each other, why has Romo said that he restructured to help get these guys deals done?


He never said that.

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I quoted Cowboys.com and the Dallas Morning News. I haven't seen either of those sources print retractions.


The Dallas Morning News article is the one in the original post, and it refutes what was said in the DallasCowboys.com and Fort Worth Star-Telegram articles you posted.

Funny how the DMN story is also the only one of the three with details of the restructurings (the typo not withstanding).

What you read in the media is not always correct. The fact that you posted articles that contradict each other should make that obvious.


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I do know, that saying the Skins were 'forced' to do something the Pukes 'chose' to do - i.e., restructure to stay competitive by making room to sign players is *****


The Redskins were over the cap and HAD to do something to get under the cap, which meant cutting players and/or restructuring players. They did both. If they hadn't restructured anyone, they would have had to have cut even more players that they, in fact, did not cut. Apparently, those were players they wanted to keep. That's why I said they had to resutructure contracts and/or cut players they wanted to keep.

The Cowboys were never over the cap, so they didn't HAVE to restructure anyone.

See the difference?
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[AdamJT13]

This is the unfortunate part of having some media members who don't know much about the salary cap. They state something that's completely wrong -- even something as basic as whether a team needs cap room to make its draft picks -- and some people out there believe it. Tr1 believes the misinformation, even though he also posted an article from the DMN that refutes the misinformation he believes. Of course, he has to keep changing his argument everytime he's proven wrong.

I've gone through a similar thing with Cowboys fans who believe that Roy can't be cut this year because of the salary cap, or that cutting Roy right now would cost us cap room. Some people in the media have written it, so some people believe it. But in reality, it's completely wrong.

[VCDefectors]

This is the unfortunate part of having some media members who don't know much about the salary cap. They state something that's completely wrong -- even something as basic as whether a team needs cap room to make its draft picks -- and some people out there believe it. Tr1 believes the misinformation, even though he also posted an article from the DMN that refutes the misinformation he believes. Of course, he has to keep changing his argument everytime he's proven wrong.

I've gone through a similar thing with Cowboys fans who believe that Roy can't be cut this year because of the salary cap, or that cutting Roy right now would cost us cap room. Some people in the media have written it, so some people believe it. But in reality, it's completely wrong.

I've been over there long enough to know that when comes to those two, it really doesn't matter to them. They will do/say anything to get a rise out of you or any Cowboys fan. tr1, for example, will keep coming up with tripe just to keep you going. That's all part of his routine. Don't worry about it, Adam. Even 99% of the ES members know that you know your stuff.

[AdamJT13]

I've been over there long enough to know that when comes to those two, it really doesn't matter to them. They will do/say anything to get a rise out of you or any Cowboys fan. tr1, for example, will keep coming up with tripe just to keep you going. That's all part of his routine. Don't worry about it, Adam. Even 99% of the ES members know that you know your stuff.

I don't care what he thinks about me. I'm continuing in the thread only to see his reactions everytime he's cornered. At some point, I'm sure he knows he'll have to contradict himself.

[VCDefectors]

I don't care what he thinks about me. I'm continuing in the thread only to see his reactions everytime he's cornered. At some point, I'm sure he knows he'll have to contradict himself.

Oh he's aware of his misgivings about this stuff. That I can promise you. But he will just keep coming up with more jibberish just to keep you going. With other posters I've seen him do this to, he keeps going until it really gets ugly and personal. He's basically baits and gets people to step over the boundaries of the ES rules and get themselves banned. Of course, I'd seriously doubt that it would ever go that far. You've built up enough cred around football forums and your word carries a lot of weight. Good luck in any event!

[burmafrd]

Just goes to show you what a site that is that they allow garbage like tr1 to get away with crap like that.

[Idgit]

It is amusing to read, since nobody on that site can lay a glove on Adam, but it's painful, too, since tr1 isn't capable of taking a topic seriously. He's getting all of this good information about the cap and he's just doing his stupid rope-a-dope.

If any Redsk*n fan were capable of taking a poster here that far behind the woodshed, I'd be pm'ing our guy and asking him to stop making an *** of himself--and by extension--this forum, publicly.

[Beast_from_East]

I don't care what he thinks about me. I'm continuing in the thread only to see his reactions everytime he's cornered. At some point, I'm sure he knows he'll have to contradict himself.

You kicked his arse Adam, great job!!!

[THEHEREAFTER]

Pure comedy. The funniest part about the thread is that exposes skins fans insecurities on so many levels.

1. They can't stand the fact that a Cowboy fan is calmly and diligently exposing them without getting frustrated and lured into personal attacks.

2. Without anyone directly attacking Snyder and the skins cap mgmt., they're taking information about the Boys cap situation as a challenge or an insult to how they handle their cap.

[SDogo]

I got to about page 9 and really could not take any more.

[Yakuza Rich]

tr1 and Bubba are just a couple of trolls trying to start flame wars. Just about any other board they would be given the boot for being trolls. But at ES they are allowed to post until their heart is content.

Occasionaly you'll get a post here from a Skins fan claiming that most Skins fans can't stand tr1 and Bubba, but as long as ES keeps harboring them I can't help but think that Redskins fans over at the board agree with them and condone their behavior.

That's why I stopped posting over there a long time ago.



YAKUZA

[BuckyG]

Talk about a guy (tr1) bringing a knife to a gun fight--and a butter knife at that. Nice work, Adam.

[CrazyCowboy]

that is pretty entertaining for sure.....Go Cowboys!

[TOOMBS]

Tr1 is a troll, he knows he is a troll, the mods know he is a troll and most the posters on the board know he is a troll. He will never concede a point no matter how wrong he is. Basically though, he doesn't believe what he types, and only wants to bait people.

Bubba, on the other hand, is somehow much more pathetic. He actually believes everything he types and is a delusional homer *that is why he is a member of staff without mod powers.. they know he is so delusional that he will go insane and ban all non-skins fans*. A couple years ago someone started a thread asking who would you pick to be on your NFC-east all-star squad. Bubba picked 20 Redskins out of his 22 starters for his all NFC-east squad........rofl. He has since calmed down with his public display of homerism because his name had become synonymous with it. Like in Kingpin, "you just pulled a Munson" if you eff'd up. Well, even skins fans were saying, "you just pulled a bubba" if you said someone mind-numbingly homerish.

Tr1 must love that his lapdog runs to his defense every time in every issue...even when the others have realized that it is a losing battle.

[Vintage]

I forgot who it was....

But they tried to argue CBZ wasn't obsessed with ES.

Funny stuff.

[the kid 05]

in before the lock...

[FanSince61]

Kudos to Adam. Excellent job of presenting the facts in a calm manner and refuting their rambles. You have done it in a professional manner. You do not and have not resorted to their tactics.

:bow:

[adbutcher]

Nothing more pitiful than watching a fool not know he has lost.

Thanks Adam for some great Monday morning entertainment.:)

[DCBoysfan]

Now this is how you start a Mon. morning:D

[Cowboys22]

Adam

How about posting a timeline over there of all the signings and restructures and what the cap #'s were before and after them. Maybe even show what Dallas' cap would be right now without restructuring Romo and Davis and show how there would still be enough room to sign the rookies because of the rule of 51. I would love to see tr1's and bubba's response to that. By the way, I have never seen tr1 come back into a thread after posting he was done. I think you really got to him worse than anyone ever has.

[VACowboy]

I just spent an hour reading the whole thing, more time than I've spent on ES prior to this morning put together. And I want to tell you, Adam, that I appreciate what you do immensely. When it comes to cold, hard facts, you have no peer and I'm SO glad you're a Cowboys fan. When it comes to appreciation, I also owe some to the Zone admins. You guys and gals maintain an atmosphere of mature objectivity here, and having spent the past 60 minutes at ES, I can't tell you how good it feels to be able to flip a tab in my browser to a fan website where Cowboys and (a vast majority of the time) reality prevails.

[The30YardSlant]

Better be careful Adam, ES has a habit of banning people who own and abuse prominent members :laugh2:

[bedlamvr]

Adam does seem clued up on his stuff when it comes to the cowboys cap, I think everyone has their trusted cap analyst .

I do wonder though if it was Adam or pcOZ or westbrook36 who insisted in the last CBA mess that the redskins were screwed and then they came in undercap without cutting anyone of note . LaVar left but his knee was done...

I do have to ask though what was the point in posting an ES thread over here on CZ . TR1 and Bubba are redskin homers on a redskin board, they are like junk yard dogs . TR1 posts almost exclusivly in ATL to get arise out of you guys when Philly stories start coming in he will post about them .. he like pushing buttons . Bubba is his sidekick, thing is you guys keep going over there ( to Extreme Skins) to feed them the reaction they want . It is kind of sad really because it is hard to get a decent off season debate going when all conversations degenerate into yah boo arguments .

[zrinkill]

thing is you guys keep going over there ( to Extreme Skins) to feed them the reaction they want . It is kind of sad really.

Yes ..... its almost as sad as a Redskin fan joining a Cowboys board and starts preaching to Cowboy fans about being trolls.

[Zaxor]

That thread is very amusing on a couple of levels...:lmao2:

[wesleyc288]

he finally quit on the salary cap issue.....now he has resorted to our "playoff win" drought. Its about time he gave up

[firehawk350]

Adam does seem clued up on his stuff when it comes to the cowboys cap, I think everyone has their trusted cap analyst .

I do wonder though if it was Adam or pcOZ or westbrook36 who insisted in the last CBA mess that the redskins were screwed and then they came in undercap without cutting anyone of note . LaVar left but his knee was done...

I do have to ask though what was the point in posting an ES thread over here on CZ . TR1 and Bubba are redskin homers on a redskin board, they are like junk yard dogs . TR1 posts almost exclusivly in ATL to get arise out of you guys when Philly stories start coming in he will post about them .. he like pushing buttons . Bubba is his sidekick, thing is you guys keep going over there ( to Extreme Skins) to feed them the reaction they want . It is kind of sad really because it is hard to get a decent off season debate going when all conversations degenerate into yah boo arguments .
Honestly, it's a symbiotic relationship. Cowboys fans feed them their (Bubba and TR1's) desired reaction and the Cowboys fans, in return, get what they want (the feeling that they are superior). In short terms, Cowboys fans get to say, look how dumb Redskins fans are and TR1 and Bubba get to sit back and say, look how dumb Cowboys fans are. I see no reason why this equitable relationship should end.

[coach316]

Honestly, it's a symbiotic relationship. Cowboys fans feed them their (Bubba and TR1's) desired reaction and the Cowboys fans, in return, get what they want (the feeling that they are superior). In short terms, Cowboys fans get to say, look how dumb Redskins fans are and TR1 and Bubba get to sit back and say, look how dumb Cowboys fans are. I see no reason why this equitable relationship should end.

Well said.

But, I would think that someone over there at ES would want to put a muzzle on that so called "junk yard dog". He's making your forum and Redskins fans in general look bad. Wait...not just bad....atrocious.

[Sandyf]

AdamJT is so right about the media and what people believe. Most forget the media is there to sell ads and papers, the truth does not always translate into helping that end.

Good case in point, train wreck will get page one, kid winning national spelling bee probably won't make any news. When is the last time anyone saw something positive on page one!

I have kept a spreadsheet on the Cowboy salaries for the last ten years. It is not as accurate as what AdamJT has but usually fairly close. Without AdamJT and his numbers though it would be much further off. Just not that easy to obtain all the numbers over the net.

That is one reason that I read the stories on the players with a grain of salt when it comes to the salary cap. Most like Mickey, don't have a clue or a poor clue at best. You know writing is their thing not math and certainly not contracts. And it still surprises me how many people don't understand guaranteed money verses contract money, just two vastly different things.

I guess my main surprise is why anyone would be surprised at anything the guys on ES would say because knowledgable sports fans and posters on ES shouldn't be included in the same sentence.

[Walker]

Tri1 and bubba are never going to be able to walk the same after that.

[Hostile]

I gotta say I thoroughly enjoyed that for a couple of reasons.

First of all it is beyond amusing to me that the Washington Post gets so many things wrong, but the DMN and Mickey Spagnola are dead on Gospel truth. Did anyone else besides me find the irony of that hilarious?

How anyone can equate having to get under the cap with managing the cap is beyond me. Yes, Jerry and Stephen Jones have restructured deals and extended deals to make it possible to make future deals. Somehow this is the same as doing it because you are over the cap? How anyone can believe that, much less two guys, is really amusing.

Bubba actually believes tr1 owned Adam. :lmao2:

[THEHEREAFTER]

Honestly, it's a symbiotic relationship. Cowboys fans feed them their (Bubba and TR1's) desired reaction and the Cowboys fans, in return, get what they want (the feeling that they are superior). In short terms, Cowboys fans get to say, look how dumb Redskins fans are and TR1 and Bubba get to sit back and say, look how dumb Cowboys fans are. I see no reason why this equitable relationship should end.


Firehawk do you post at ES?

[5Stars]

Honestly, it's a symbiotic relationship. Cowboys fans feed them their (Bubba and TR1's) desired reaction and the Cowboys fans, in return, get what they want (the feeling that they are superior). In short terms, Cowboys fans get to say, look how dumb Redskins fans are and TR1 and Bubba get to sit back and say, look how dumb Cowboys fans are. I see no reason why this equitable relationship should end.





Iin this case it IS NOT equitable. tr1 (Tony Romo #1) and bubba (gum) are wrong and Adam is right when it comes to this discussion! One wrong and one right does not equate to "equitable".

It's pretty stupid when someone does not even know that they are stupid when it comes to things they know nothing about.


:rolleyes:

[iceberg]

It is amusing to read, since nobody on that site can lay a glove on Adam, but it's painful, too, since tr1 isn't capable of taking a topic seriously. He's getting all of this good information about the cap and he's just doing his stupid rope-a-dope.

If any Redsk*n fan were capable of taking a poster here that far behind the woodshed, I'd be pm'ing our guy and asking him to stop making an *** of himself--and by extension--this forum, publicly.

+1.

his overuse of "pukes" says he's just a skins homer and will talk trash till he dies. logic need not apply.

[gambit187]

That thread was hilarious, I have been reading it since it started. TR1 and Bubba sure are funny. Their bag of tricks almost has me signing back up on Extremeskins to give them hell.

[iceberg]

Honestly, it's a symbiotic relationship. Cowboys fans feed them their (Bubba and TR1's) desired reaction and the Cowboys fans, in return, get what they want (the feeling that they are superior). In short terms, Cowboys fans get to say, look how dumb Redskins fans are and TR1 and Bubba get to sit back and say, look how dumb Cowboys fans are. I see no reason why this equitable relationship should end.

well, there's a fraction of fans who are that way i'm sure. maybe a larger one than i'd even guess. but a vast majority can take the "team colored" glasses off for awhile and know where things sit and don't have to spin it to their favor.

but yea, there's always the jr high mindset of "my team is better than your team and it doesn't matter why, it just is". i'm sure their superfriends underoos with the little feet on them looks good at the team practices they watch from afar.

[iceberg]

That thread was hilarious, I have been reading it since it started. TR1 and Bubba sure are funny. Their bag of tricks almost has me signing back up on Extremeskins to give them hell.

you'd get banned quickly. but like the other skins fans said, it's a game some people choose to play just to play it. winning is all in the mind at that point anyway.

[gambit187]

you'd get banned quickly. but like the other skins fans said, it's a game some people choose to play just to play it. winning is all in the mind at that point anyway.


YEah i have already been banned under
cable187
gambit187
rogue187
#28forever
statboy.....I can come back under another name using one of my website email addresses, but its no longer worth it.

[sonnyboy]

YEah i have already been banned under
cable187
gambit187
rogue187
#28forever
statboy.....I can come back under another name using one of my website email addresses, but its no longer worth it.

Right there with you. Been banned under numerous Sonnyboy and Romo#1 variations. Hard to keep track.

I have a new identity under a new IP address. Planned to be a good boy, but got banned for 30 days last week.:laugh2:

[Pabst]

I read about the first ten pages. Usually I don't bother with ES, I simply don't have the patience to wade through the muck to find something worth reading.

But as I was reading this thread, I really kept thinking to myself "Why don't they understand what is being said? This is so simple." Maybe I've just read too much of Adams' cap information over the years, both here and on KFFL, and I can understand the cap rules somewhat easily.

What I can't understand, though, is how some people can be so incredibly dense, and I'm not only referring to tr1 and bubba. They are unique in their... dispositions, and I know many Skins fans are not akin to them. But, here someone is actively trying to educate them on the cap, and he is figuratively booed by most, although not all. It boggles me.

Sometimes I wonder if CBZ looks like ES to fans of other teams. I can't say for sure, as I am not one, but things definitelly seem a bit more civil and informative here.

[sonnyboy]

Can't believe this thread got 50 replies. Think that's a record for me.

I'd like to make a request of the almighty AdamJT13.

It's what you might call the nuclear bomb option for that salary cap thread.

If it's not too much work.
Why not list all the players that the Cowboys and Redskins have under contract for 2009?

We can see for ourselves how much we're paying D. Ware and compare that to how much they are still paying L. Arrington. We can see what Romo costs and compare that to what I'm sure they still owe M. Brunnell.

Oh and throw in all the dead money!;)
Then let's see tr1 tell us how much better the skins manage the cap!:laugh2:

[Hostile]

I read about the first ten pages. Usually I don't bother with ES, I simply don't have the patience to wade through the muck to find something worth reading.

But as I was reading this thread, I really kept thinking to myself "Why don't they understand what is being said? This is so simple." Maybe I've just read too much of Adams' cap information over the years, both here and on KFFL, and I can understand the cap rules somewhat easily.

What I can't understand, though, is how some people can be so incredibly dense, and I'm not only referring to tr1 and bubba. They are unique in their... dispositions, and I know many Skins fans are not akin to them. But, here someone is actively trying to educate them on the cap, and he is figuratively booed by most, although not all. It boggles me.

Sometimes I wonder if CBZ looks like ES to fans of other teams. I can't say for sure, as I am not one, but things definitelly seem a bit more civil and informative here.
It's simple only if you care about the truth. If you don't, then you have to create a bunch of wild speculation and call anything that refutes that speculation "nonsense."

I got 20 bucks in my pocket right now. I will offer it in a 10 to 1 odds bet with ANY Redskins fan. In other words if I lose all you will owe me is 2 bucks back.

I bet that 20 bucks against ANY Redskins fan's 2 bucks that Adam can get closer to the exact amount the Redskins are against the cap than Bubba and tr1 put together can calculate with their abacus and shoes off. I'll even go so far as to say slide rules and calculators won't help them.

They know there is a Cap. Adam actually gets it.

[Hostile]

Can't believe this thread got 50 replies. Think that's a record for me.

I'd like to make a request of the almighty AdamJT13.

It's what you might call the nuclear bomb option for that salary cap thread.

If it's not too much work.
Why not list all the players that the Cowboys and Redskins have under contract for 2009?

We can see for ourselves how much we're paying D. Ware and compare that to how much they are still paying L. Arrington. We can see what Romo costs and compare that to what I'm sure they still owe M. Brunnell.

Oh and throw in all the dead money!;)
Then let's see tr1 tell us how much better the skins manage the cap!:laugh2:You're cruel.

[sonnyboy]

I read about the first ten pages. Usually I don't bother with ES, I simply don't have the patience to wade through the muck to find something worth reading.

But as I was reading this thread, I really kept thinking to myself "Why don't they understand what is being said? This is so simple." Maybe I've just read too much of Adams' cap information over the years, both here and on KFFL, and I can understand the cap rules somewhat easily.

What I can't understand, though, is how some people can be so incredibly dense, and I'm not only referring to tr1 and bubba. They are unique in their... dispositions, and I know many Skins fans are not akin to them. But, here someone is actively trying to educate them on the cap, and he is figuratively booed by most, although not all. It boggles me.

Sometimes I wonder if CBZ looks like ES to fans of other teams. I can't say for sure, as I am not one, but things definitelly seem a bit more civil and informative here.

There is a very simple answer to that question. THE TRUTH HURTS.

They don't want to to hear the truth, THEY CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

The truth I'm referring to is that their all-time winning percentage against their most hated rival is .391.

The other more painful truth right now is that we are twice the team they are. We are a legit SB contender and they are an also ran.

Nobody outside of DC has anything good to say about their team. They see all the good press and prognostications the Cowboys are getting and it kills them! The Cowboys are everything they wish the skins could be.

[sonnyboy]

It's simple only if you care about the truth. If you don't, then you have to create a bunch of wild speculation and call anything that refutes that speculation "nonsense."

I got 20 bucks in my pocket right now. I will offer it in a 10 to 1 odds bet with ANY Redskins fan. In other words if I lose all you will owe me is 2 bucks back.

I bet that 20 bucks against ANY Redskins fan's 2 bucks that Adam can get closer to the exact amount the Redskins are against the cap than Bubba and tr1 put together can calculate with their abacus and shoes off. I'll even go so far as to say slide rules and calculators won't help them.

They know there is a Cap. Adam actually gets it.

Great minds think alike!:laugh2: Like I said Hos, THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

[Hostile]

Great minds think alike!:laugh2:Because we're very, very sick.

:grin:

Here's an analogy that even the simplest minded people should be able to grasp. It's about food storage.

Consumer A has a large pantry and keeps it stocked an rotated with a steady supply of food. He does this in case of an emergency, buys on sale, and is constantly looking ahead.

Consumer B waits until there is speculation that stores will not be able to sell food because the computers will nto know how to handle the Y2K date and goes out with other panic shoppers and buys despite high prices.


In the end, both have the same amount of food. Does anyone really think how they acquired the food is exactly equal and equally smart? Seriously?


That's the difference between how the two clubs are handling the Cap. One is patiently looking ahead and keeping the Cap managed. The other one waits until the last minute and then has to scramble like mad to make it.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Because we're very, very sick.

:grin:

Here's an analogy that even the simplest minded people should be able to grasp. It's about food storage.

Consumer A has a large pantry and keeps it stocked an rotated with a steady supply of food. He does this in case of an emergency, buys on sale, and is constantly looking ahead.

Consumer B waits until there is speculation that stores will not be able to sell food because the computers will nto know how to handle the Y2K date and goes out with other panic shoppers and buys despite high prices.


In the end, both have the same amount of food. Does anyone really think how they acquired the food is exactly equal and equally smart? Seriously?


That's the difference between how the two clubs are handling the Cap. One is patiently looking ahead and keeping the Cap managed. The other one waits until the last minute and then has to scramble like mad to make it.

Lol.. good analogy. :lmao2:

[Hostile]

Lol.. good analogy. :lmao2:By all means, use it over there if you wish.

[BAZ]

Has anybody got links to other Redskin forums? I refuse to believe that is the pinnacle of their fan base.

[THEHEREAFTER]

By all means, use it over there if you wish.

I try to tread lightly over there these days Hos... but I may in fact need to borrow this one. Well done.

[Hostile]

I try to tread lightly over there these days Hos... but I may in fact need to borrow this one. Well done.I understand.

It's yours if you want it.

[firehawk350]

Firehawk do you post at ES?
No, I have two posts over there to my name (firehawk157) and generally don't like the mob rules over there. Well the mob when it's pro-redskin. I get the hint if I criticized the Skins, I would get banned. No thanks.

[5Stars]

I understand.

It's yours if you want it.


They still won't understand, Hostile! No matter how they shop, if they buy potted meat or bologna they will still call it steak!!

It's a losing battle with those nimwits...


:cool:

[5Stars]

No, I have two posts over there to my name (firehawk157) and generally don't like the mob rules over there. Well the mob when it's pro-redskin. I get the hint if I criticized the Skins, I would get banned. No thanks.


Well then, you don't have to worry, right? I mean, you never do...so?

:laugh2:

[firehawk350]

Try hailredskins.com, that's where I post. I've heard good things about warpath.net (or com, I'm not 100% on it) as well.

[firehawk350]

On here, not really. I try to keep my critcism light because anything negative I say towards the Redskins would be blown way out of proportion and taken as the gospel truth ("even redskins fans think their franchise sucks!!!!11one!"). I also don't comment on threads that I don't believe to be egregiously erroneous.

[firehawk350]

well, there's a fraction of fans who are that way i'm sure. maybe a larger one than i'd even guess. but a vast majority can take the "team colored" glasses off for awhile and know where things sit and don't have to spin it to their favor.

but yea, there's always the jr high mindset of "my team is better than your team and it doesn't matter why, it just is". i'm sure their superfriends underoos with the little feet on them looks good at the team practices they watch from afar.
There's a bit of homerism in everybody honestly. It's just not something you can look at completely objectively. Stats aren't all that good at projecting performance either, so everyone will be slightly biased. However, like you say, a vast majority can admit flaws and faults and not spin bad moves. But there are the delusional as well.

[DallasDW00ds0n]

you killed them Adam

you killed the place and I loved it!

thanks for the laughs.

[firehawk350]

Here's an analogy that even the simplest minded people should be able to grasp. It's about food storage.

Consumer A has a large pantry and keeps it stocked an rotated with a steady supply of food. He does this in case of an emergency, buys on sale, and is constantly looking ahead.

Consumer B waits until there is speculation that stores will not be able to sell food because the computers will nto know how to handle the Y2K date and goes out with other panic shoppers and buys despite high prices.


In the end, both have the same amount of food. Does anyone really think how they acquired the food is exactly equal and equally smart? Seriously?


That's the difference between how the two clubs are handling the Cap. One is patiently looking ahead and keeping the Cap managed. The other one waits until the last minute and then has to scramble like mad to make it.

Not the best, because the Skins problem hasn't been cap management, it's been talent evaluation. If anything 06 and 07 were the worst FA markets to be in and Dallas has been spending a lot of money lately on contracts. I think a better analogy is Washington buys all the wrong groceries. We'll buy hamburger and hot dog buns... But you'd have a lot more credibility with analogy like that if you applied it to the Raiders.

[Hostile]

Not the best, because the Skins problem hasn't been cap management, it's been talent evaluation. If anything 06 and 07 were the worst FA markets to be in and Dallas has been spending a lot of money lately on contracts. I think a better analogy is Washington buys all the wrong groceries. We'll buy hamburger and hot dog buns... But you'd have a lot more credibility with analogy like that if you applied it to the Raiders.I will resist the dig that you set yourself up so perfectly for.

[sonnyboy]

Not the best, because the Skins problem hasn't been cap management, it's been talent evaluation. If anything 06 and 07 were the worst FA markets to be in and Dallas has been spending a lot of money lately on contracts. I think a better analogy is Washington buys all the wrong groceries. We'll buy hamburger and hot dog buns... But you'd have a lot more credibility with analogy like that if you applied it to the Raiders.


I can't resist it. You mean rotten hamburger and moldy hot dog buns:laugh2:

[firehawk350]

I read about the first ten pages. Usually I don't bother with ES, I simply don't have the patience to wade through the muck to find something worth reading.

But as I was reading this thread, I really kept thinking to myself "Why don't they understand what is being said? This is so simple." Maybe I've just read too much of Adams' cap information over the years, both here and on KFFL, and I can understand the cap rules somewhat easily.

What I can't understand, though, is how some people can be so incredibly dense, and I'm not only referring to tr1 and bubba. They are unique in their... dispositions, and I know many Skins fans are not akin to them. But, here someone is actively trying to educate them on the cap, and he is figuratively booed by most, although not all. It boggles me.

Sometimes I wonder if CBZ looks like ES to fans of other teams. I can't say for sure, as I am not one, but things definitelly seem a bit more civil and informative here.
There's some parallels, but very few sites rival ES in those regards. Still, you have the bleeding moron homers here that don't get called down, it comes with the territory.

[5Stars]

There's some parallels, but very few sites rival ES in those regards. Still, you have the bleeding moron homers here that don't get called down, it comes with the territory.




I'll bet you that more Cowboy fans around here that go to the extreme get jumped on by other Cowboy fans TONS more than over there at ES!

On ES if somone says that Snyder said the sky is green...well, dammit...it is GREEN!

Not here...I've seen it and participated in the beat down of Cowboy fans that say the craziest crap about our team...so have others.

Don't go there...


:cool:

[sonnyboy]

I'll bet you that more Cowboy fans around here that go to the extreme get jumped on by other Cowboy fans TONS more than over there at ES!

On ES if somone says that Snyder said the sky is green...well, dammit...it is GREEN!

Not here...I've seen it and participated in the beat down of Cowboy fans that say the craziest crap about our team...so have others.

Don't go there...


:cool:

That's what got me banned last week. An *** Cowboy fan jumped into a discussion I was having with some sort of garbage about me giving Cowboy fans a bad name.
I wanted to ring his freakin neck. Since I couldn't, I did the next worse thing and told him to stop "sucking up to the redskins trash".......
that got me a 30 day ban.

[bbgun]

Battle of the narcissists. Delicious.

[5Stars]

Battle of the narcissists. Delicious.


Post me a picture of one of them narcissists, bbgun!??


:D

[Idgit]

This thread's been updated on ES, for those who are following it. The ES mods are in a delimma: Adam's given them no reason for banning, yet he's singlehandedly embarrassing their board which is a bannable offense in any realistic interpretation of their convoluted policies. Some facts get ignored over and over again, and hilarity ensues. Highly recommended reading for anyone not nauseated by the horrific ES site color scheme.

[Idgit]

This thread's been updated on ES, for those who are following it. The ES mods are in a delimma: Adam's given them no reason for banning, yet he's singlehandedly embarrassing their board which is a bannable offense in any realistic interpretation of their convoluted policies. Some facts get ignored over and over again, and hilarity ensues. Highly recommended reading for anyone not nauseated by the horrific ES site color scheme.

And, on cue, the ES mods come in and start threatening to lock the thread. Sadly, they don't have the stones to call a TKO. This would just be an unexplained thread-lock.

[gambit187]

The Mods have finally closed the thread a.k.a. throwing in the towel for TR1 and Bubba. I guess they figured enough of the embarresment Adam was dishing out.

[dragub]

The Mods have finally closed the thread a.k.a. throwing in the towel for TR1 and Bubba. I guess they figured enough of the embarresment Adam was dishing out.

I am surprised mods there did not let tr1 have the final word on that thread
:lmao:

[VCDefectors]

The Mods have finally closed the thread a.k.a. throwing in the towel for TR1 and Bubba. I guess they figured enough of the embarresment Adam was dishing out.

That's pretty much how it goes over there. Rival fans typically don't get the last laugh over there. But anybody who saw it knows the score. In truth, the debate was over when Adam submitted his first post. I'm surprised the mods let it go on as far as they did.

[Silver Surfer]

I think TR1 should consider changing his name to the Black Knight. I kept visualizing that scene in Python's Holy Grail while reading the ES thread.....

[Hostile]

The Mods have finally closed the thread a.k.a. throwing in the towel for TR1 and Bubba. I guess they figured enough of the embarresment Adam was dishing out.Maybe it's just me, but I can't figure out why they closed it. Unless I didn't see a lot of deleted and edited threads because of rules violations It seemed like a pretty civil thread.

[Idgit]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't figure out why they closed it. Unless I didn't see a lot of deleted and edited threads because of rules violations It seemed like a pretty civil thread.

It's their sandbox and they want to preserve the right to look cool in their own sandbox. They don't have the perspective to realize they accomplish the opposite by locking perfectly good threads.

If ES were a prison, though, bubba and tr1 would be holding onto the lining of Adam's pockets while he walks through the yard. They'd be giving him their pudding each night at dinner time. The ES mods are the screws that just stopped a brutal yard beating and then looked the other way pretending nothing happened.

[Vintage]

I think CBZ should have a forum dedicted to the Redskins/ES
:bow:

[Yakuza Rich]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't figure out why they closed it. Unless I didn't see a lot of deleted and edited threads because of rules violations It seemed like a pretty civil thread.

Because they agree with Bubba and tr1 and condone their behavior. For every Skins fan that tries to tell me that Skins fans don't like tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, that thread proves the opposite.




YAKUZA

[burmafrd]

Just more proof of what a crap site ES is. Not like anyone with a brain needed any more proof.....

[gambit187]

The should rename the Around The NFL to Cowboy Articles With Skins Spin.

[MichaelWinicki]

Adam did a great job over there. He represented the Cowboy nation well. :)

[Bob Sacamano]

I forgot who it was....

But they tried to argue CBZ wasn't obsessed with ES.

Funny stuff.

I forgot to laugh

[Star4Ever]

Conclusion -- bubba and tr1 are remarkably stupid.

You're being far, far too kind to bubba and tr1 and way to hard on the word stuipd. They're just dumber than lint.

[Star4Ever]

Honestly, it's a symbiotic relationship. Cowboys fans feed them their (Bubba and TR1's) desired reaction and the Cowboys fans, in return, get what they want (the feeling that they are superior). In short terms, Cowboys fans get to say, look how dumb Redskins fans are and TR1 and Bubba get to sit back and say, look how dumb Cowboys fans are. I see no reason why this equitable relationship should end.

The fact that skins' fans, in particular the mods on ES, allow bubba and tr1 to continually spout their mindless drivel tells me all I need to know about them. They're extremely childish and not too bright. That having been said, I do wish ALL Cowboys fans would just stop posting there altogether. That would probably force tr1 and bubba to just off themselves. In addition, it really makes me sick how some Cowboys fans kiss so much *** over there. Grow a set boys.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the "Extremeskins Zone" ?

:)

[Idgit]

The fact that skins' fans, in particular the mods on ES, allow bubba and tr1 to continually spout their mindless drivel tells me all I need to know about them. They're extremely childish and not too bright. That having been said, I do wish ALL Cowboys fans would just stop posting there altogether. That would probably force tr1 and bubba to just off themselves. In addition, it really makes me sick how some Cowboys fans kiss so much *** over there. Grow a set boys.

They do keep a couple blue and silver house pets at ATN. I cringe when I read a post with a Cowboy fan preening for attention from the mouthbreathers in the ATN.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the "Extremeskins Zone" ?

:)

I forgot who it was....

But they tried to argue CBZ wasn't obsessed with ES.

Funny stuff.

I think CBZ should have a forum dedicted to the Redskins/ES
:bow:

Nothing wrong with Cowboy fans disliking a Redskins board. ES is an especially easy target b/c the board is so god-awful ugly, and they've got a a mentality over there that's like 'groupthink' without all the messy thinking. That place is a trainwreck where the victims wander around patting themselves on the back just for surviving the collision.

[Star4Ever]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the "Extremeskins Zone" ?

:)

Are you an ES poster? Have you ever been there? Probably 75% of the posts in ATN are Cowboy-related. You want to talk about being obsessed go on there and check it out.

[Star4Ever]

The bottom line is ES is a laughing stock and anyone that has ever been there knows it.

[Hostile]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the "Extremeskins Zone" ?

:)When I want your input on how to run this forum, I'll let you know.

;)

It's called a rivalry people. Look up the definition if you don't know what that means. There are Cowboys fans who enjoy bashing the Redskins. There are Redskins fans who enjoy bashing the Cowboys.

Oh my gosh, shock and awe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/sarcasm off]

[SkinsHokieFan]

When I want your input on how to run this forum, I'll let you know.

;)

It's called a rivalry people. Look up the definition if you don't know what that means. There are Cowboys fans who enjoy bashing the Redskins. There are Redskins fans who enjoy bashing the Cowboys.

[/sarcasm off]

Correct.

However, in the 6 years I have posted on ES, there have been probably a total of 1 thread about this particular website

Bashing the teams is one thing. The fan message board? A moderator who rarely posts anymore? (Art may have a total of 20 posts in the last year). That is where I find tons of humor in this :lmao2:

[Idgit]

Correct.

However, in the 6 years I have posted on ES, there have been probably a total of 1 thread about this particular website

Bashing the teams is one thing. The fan message board? A moderator who rarely posts anymore? (Art may have a total of 20 posts in the last year). That is where I find tons of humor in this :lmao2:

Clearly, you don't spend much time in your ATN forum. CZ is mentioned there daily.

Art is a bombastic cartoon character. And a few of his authoritarian rants are epic. So we make fun of him. If that's amusing to you, knock yourself out.

[Hostile]

Correct.

However, in the 6 years I have posted on ES, there have been probably a total of 1 thread about this particular website

Bashing the teams is one thing. The fan message board? A moderator who rarely posts anymore? (Art may have a total of 20 posts in the last year). That is where I find tons of humor in this :lmao2:That's funny. I visit there far less than you do and I've seen more than one thread. Hell, I've responded in several where someone claims they were banned here for no reason. I haven't been to ES in days. I'd almost be willing to bet you I can find more than 1 thread mentioning this place or something posted here in the ATN forum right now. Yet you've only seen 1 thread in 6 years. Remarkable.

Maybe if you pulled your head out of a dark smelly place or installed a window in your stomach you'd see more. ;)

Yeah, Art and ES are a target here and other Cowboys boards as well. I'd have to say that he brought that on himself and ES at the same time. I've seen him mocked on Giants and Eagles boards too. Not as much as here, but it's about the rivalry as I said already. You can feel free to disagree if you want.

Very few Mods I have ever seen on any message board ever acted the way he used to. "You will post what I tell you to, word for word. If you post anything other than this statement, you will be banned."

:flex:

I have never seen any other Mod on any other team's forum (and I have visited a lot of them) act like that. Then to see the sucking up to him applause when he does it.

Yeah, people are going to admire that.

Get real.

[Bob Sacamano]

I haven't seen a Redskin fan, not get owned

ever

[silverbear]

I haven't seen a Redskin fan, not get owned

ever

I just worry that Adam's gonna get arrested for child abuse...

If that happens, I'll be the first to take up a collection in here for his bail... :D

Can't believe I waited 102 posts to get into the ES bashing...

[Bob Sacamano]

I just worry that Adam's gonna get arrested for child abuse...

If that happens, I'll be the first to take up a collection in here for his bail... :D

Can't believe I waited 102 posts to get into the ES bashing...

I'll be his co-D and represent both of us lol

[silverbear]

I'll be his co-D and represent both of us lol

Then I'll get right to work bakin' y'all a cake with a file in it... :D

[DallasFanSince86]

Then I'll get right to work bakin' y'all a cake with a file in it... :D

:laugh2:

[silverbear]

:laugh2:

Don't laugh, I'm no cook, it'll probably taste like...

Well, let's just say it won't taste too good... :D

[Star4Ever]

Correct.

However, in the 6 years I have posted on ES, there have been probably a total of 1 thread about this particular website

Bashing the teams is one thing. The fan message board? A moderator who rarely posts anymore? (Art may have a total of 20 posts in the last year). That is where I find tons of humor in this :lmao2:
When a board is operated in the manner of ES, bashing is what you're going to get. Again: CESSPOOL!!!!!!

[Star4Ever]

Not only a cesspool, but one with a lot of "floaters", i.e. tr1, bubba, etc. They're right at home there.

[silverbear]

Perhaps we shouldn't be so hard on ES, maybe it DOES have a redeeming social value...

Think about it, if ES didn't exist, Art, Bubba and tr1 might be out molesting cocker spaniels...

Male cocker spaniels... I don't want to go into any more detail than that, it's just too disturbing a picture...

Come to think of it, I'll bet tr1 stands for "terminally retarded one"...

[Bob Sacamano]

Then I'll get right to work bakin' y'all a cake with a file in it... :D

bring Brainpaint in a low-cut piece to distract the guards too :laugh2:

[Biggems]

This is the unfortunate part of having some media members who don't know much about the salary cap. They state something that's completely wrong -- even something as basic as whether a team needs cap room to make its draft picks -- and some people out there believe it. Tr1 believes the misinformation, even though he also posted an article from the DMN that refutes the misinformation he believes. Of course, he has to keep changing his argument everytime he's proven wrong.

I've gone through a similar thing with Cowboys fans who believe that Roy can't be cut this year because of the salary cap, or that cutting Roy right now would cost us cap room. Some people in the media have written it, so some people believe it. But in reality, it's completely wrong.


Do you have the link to the Roy cap debate? I am interested in seeing what you have to say about how keeping him/cutting him affects our cap....I think it would be some very informative reading.

[silverbear]

bring Brainpaint in a low-cut piece to distract the guards too :laugh2:

Excellent suggestion... that should certainly give you the distraction you need...

Brain might have a problem going into a jail in his favorite costume, though... :D

[Bob Sacamano]

Excellent suggestion... that should certainly give you the distraction you need...

Brain might have a problem going into a jail in his favorite costume, though... :D

:muttley:

btw, turn it to Spike TV, MXC is on, it's hilarious

[silverbear]

:muttley:

btw, turn it to Spike TV, MXC is on, it's hilarious

I know Spike TV, my nephew is hooked on UFC, but what's "MXC"??

[Bob Sacamano]

I know Spike TV, my nephew is hooked on UFC, but what's "MXC"??

belated response

but it's this Japanese, action type of game show, where contestants, in 2 groups, compete against each other, doing all these physical challenges, but a studio in the US does voice-overs, it seems off the cuff type of commentary, but it's hilarious

basically they make fun of the show and American culture, mostly making fun of American culture, you gotta watch it

[Arch Stanton]

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Art for art sake........

[Big Dakota]

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Art for art sake........

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