Brett Favre

[DallasDW00ds0n]

I bet ten bucks if Favre is in fact released, he goes to the Vikings.

If he went to the Vikes that would be very scary.

[Cochese]

I bet ten bucks if Favre is in fact released, he goes to the Vikings.

If he went to the Vikes that would be very scary.

Why would it be scary? You seen this guy in crunchtime the past decade or so?

[DallasDW00ds0n]

That team is driven by Peterson, throw in Favre...you'd be lying if you honestly believed that...

[Cochese]

Combined stats the past 10 years in the playoffs - 3-6 record, 16 TD, 18 INT

You are scared of that?

Not to mention the fact that the games he actually played decently in were capped off by two of the most insane passes you will ever see in a football game (Dawkins, Webster)

[DallasDW00ds0n]

so by your theory Romo is not a good QB

[SALADIN]

and I'll bet ten bucks he'll throw 3 Int's vs Green Bay in the NFC Wild Card game.

[Cochese]

so by your theory Romo is not a good QB

What is this sentence fragment crap? I dont even understand what you are trying to say.

[DallasDW00ds0n]

What is this sentence fragment crap? I dont even understand what you are trying to say.

You are referrencing his playoff play as scale of whether or not hes a good QB. You are not scared of Favre because you said hes been less than good in crunch time. Can you not argue that with Romo? So by your standards, Romo, who has been less than great in "crunch time," is nothing to be scared of?

[Boysboy]

Combined stats the past 10 years in the playoffs - 3-6 record, 16 TD, 18 INT

You are scared of that?

Not to mention the fact that the games he actually played decently in were capped off by two of the most insane passes you will ever see in a football game (Dawkins, Webster)

Favre actually wasn't the goat in the Philly game-it was b/c their idiot DC made a horrendous soft zone playcall on 4th and 26(when, in fact, Philly's OL was getting manhandled on almost every play).

Against the Giants-Webster actually made a pretty good play.

[Cochese]

Favre actually wasn't the goat in the Philly game-it was b/c their idiot DC made a horrendous soft zone playcall on 4th and 26(when, in fact, Philly's OL was getting manhandled on almost every play).

Against the Giants-Webster actually made a pretty good play.

Throwing it up to Dawkins makes someone else the goat?!

As for the Webster play...who does Brett throw to? The guy in acres of space on the left? The guy breaking across the middle?

Aw hell no, this is the greatest QB EVA!

http://archive.profootballtalk.com/FavreThrow.jpg

[Boysboy]

Throwing it up to Dawkins makes someone else the goat?!


It happened in OT-the 4th and 26th miracle happened at the end of regulation.

The latter should never have happened-otherwise, the former, obviously, wouldn't have happened at all.

[Cochese]

It happened in OT-the 4th and 26th miracle happened at the end of regulation.

The latter should never have happened-otherwise, the former, obviously, wouldn't have happened at all.

Time to bust out the Brett Favre excuse-o-matic?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FZxzeBxTz_Y

[DisabledMess]

Time to bust out the Brett Favre excuse-o-matic?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FZxzeBxTz_Y

That's where I meant to throw. The field is too wet. Ninja's stole my game plan. That was a pretty funny video.

[CrazyCowboy]

just read the skins want him.......I want be able to pull for Farve if that happens

[JackMagist]

just read the skins want him.......I want (won't?) be able to pull for Farve if that happensI quit pulling for Favre long ago...I so hate Drama Queens and Favre is the biggest DQ out there.

[HTownCowboysFan]

Let's sign him!!!!








;)

[DaBoys4Life]

Farve is nothing but media hype and a QB that had a longer career than the norm. If you look at his stats from this year they we're amazing how ever these were career numbers and he wasn't Brett Farve the gunslinger. He was a system QB that benefited from the system in Green Bay it didn't hurt that his WR had the highest YAC in the NFL. If you disregard this year stats and look at the past 3 season I think it's clear or was clear that brett farves career was heading down the drain. However because he has become immortalized as a Packer they had their hads tied. Right now the franchise belongs to Green Bay and it's no longer about Brett Farve they need to move on and Farve needs to die in obscurity some where (not really just leave the game alone)

[peplaw06]

Farve is nothing but media hype and a QB that had a longer career than the norm. If you look at his stats from this year they we're amazing how ever these were career numbers and he wasn't Brett Farve the gunslinger. He was a system QB that benefited from the system in Green Bay it didn't hurt that his WR had the highest YAC in the NFL. If you disregard this year stats and look at the past 3 season I think it's clear or was clear that brett farves career was heading down the drain. However because he has become immortalized as a Packer they had their hads tied. Right now the franchise belongs to Green Bay and it's no longer about Brett Farve they need to move on and Farve needs to die in obscurity some where (not really just leave the game alone)Congratulations!!! You have 1,725 posts and this is ridiculous opinion number 1,000.

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[JackMagist]

Congratulations!!! You have 1,725 posts and this is ridiculous opinion number 1,000.

http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/doing_it_wrong_skaters.jpgNot everyone can compete with your 7000 ridiculous posts.

[dbair1967]

I bet ten bucks if Favre is in fact released, he goes to the Vikings.

If he went to the Vikes that would be very scary.

not really...they still have several holes...and he sux in the playoffs anyway, if they manged to get there

David

[utrunner07]

If you disregard this year stats and look at the past 3 season I think it's clear or was clear that brett farves career was heading down the drain.

yeah lets just ignore his good year and just focus on the bad years...that makes since...

you know Tony had a great year last year but if you disregard last years stats he is unproven and unpredictable...:rolleyes:

the Favre hatred on this board is AMAZING...and makes the Favre bashers look very ignorant

he was a GREAT QB, he has fallen a little bit but is still a good QB...on top of that he is a solid guy that loved the game and played all out every game...why the hate?

[utrunner07]

and he sux in the playoffs anyway, if they manged to get there

David

Um...he was just as good as Aikman in the playoffs...and I am pretty sure we can all agree Aikman did not suck in the playoffs.

[DaBoys4Life]

yeah lets just ignore his good year and just focus on the bad years...that makes since...

you know Tony had a great year last year but if you disregard last years stats he is unproven and unpredictable...:rolleyes:

the Favre hatred on this board is AMAZING...and makes the Favre bashers look very ignorant

he was a GREAT QB, he has fallen a little bit but is still a good QB...on top of that he is a solid guy that loved the game and played all out every game...why the hate?

No that's not true I think people are trying to view his previous season as some type of indicator of a Brett Farve revival when infact he has never been that good in his career and if you look back the past 3 season he wasn't good at all. I seriously question his love of the game as oppossed to him trying to get every major QB stat possible.

[DaBoys4Life]

Congratulations!!! You have 1,725 posts and this is ridiculous opinion number 1,000.

http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/doing_it_wrong_skaters.jpg

Just because you say my POV is ridiculous doesn't make it so.

[Hoofbite]

If Favre goes to the Vikings they are a playoff caliber team with a dominant running game and a very good defense, especially run defense.

Anyone who says that Favre would not make that team better just doesn't know their *** from a hole in the ground.

[utrunner07]

I seriously question his love of the game as oppossed to him trying to get every major QB stat possible.


Were you ever a high level athlete? Not high school or the company softball league...but college or minor league?

BTW, he has pretty much every major QB stat now any way.

[DaBoys4Life]

Were you ever a high level athlete? Not high school or the company softball league...but college or minor league?

BTW, he has pretty much every major QB stat now any way.

and he retired right afterwards. No I wasn't why does that matteR?

Anywayz i find it funny that his qoute on qoute love for the game hasn't been anything more than media hype. But what ever blindly follow what :espn: tells you

[utrunner07]

and he retired right afterwards. No I wasn't why does that matteR?

Anywayz i find it funny that his qoute on qoute love for the game hasn't been anything more than media hype. But what ever blindly follow what :espn: tells you


First if you have no experience at that level then you have NO idea what it is like to play a sport that you love for years and then have to end it one day...it is a VERY difficult decision for a lot of people, but is something that you would not understand unless you have dedicated hours upon hours year after year to it...

Second, you can tell Favre loves the game just by the way he plays and the passion he has...its does not require a doctorate in psychology to see that. You could see how much it hurt him to leave the game when he retired during his press conference....would not expect you to understand something like that though.

Third I have not watched ESPN in months, its probably been since the super bowl that I have watched an entire sports center. But you keep arguing against something just becuase ESPN says it and you want to be different...

And it is: quote un quote, and typically when you are writing you use the actually quotation marks ""....

The level of bashing and hatred for one of the all time classiest and most passionate players the NFL has seen on threads like these is absolutely disgusting and pathetic.

[yeahyeah]

I bet ten bucks if Favre is in fact released, he goes to the Vikings.

If he went to the Vikes that would be very scary.


I agree and that is where he WILL go if GB releases him. I dont like the thought one bit either.

[dbair1967]

Um...he was just as good as Aikman in the playoffs...and I am pretty sure we can all agree Aikman did not suck in the playoffs.

no, he wasnt

Aikman had basically 2 subpar games in all his playoff career.....Favre had many more than that, including rhe 6 int debacle

David

[DWhite Fan]

Second, you can tell Favre loves the game just by the way he plays and the passion he has...its does not require a doctorate in psychology to see that. You could see how much it hurt him to leave the game when he retired during his press conference....would not expect you to understand something like that though.

The level of bashing and hatred for one of the all time classiest and most passionate players the NFL has seen on threads like these is absolutely disgusting and pathetic.

I agree. Favre has lost a step, but he is still among the top 10 or 11 QBs in the league. If he wants to play, the league and the Packers should let him. As I have said in another thread, I would love to see Brett wearing a purple jersey playing against the Packers at Lambeau. That would be prime time TV at its finest:)

[Big Dakota]

Yet another stupid thread.

[DaBoys4Life]

First if you have no experience at that level then you have NO idea what it is like to play a sport that you love for years and then have to end it one day...it is a VERY difficult decision for a lot of people, but is something that you would not understand unless you have dedicated hours upon hours year after year to it...

All things must come to an end and football is something most end whether he wants it to or not 18 years it far to long. For a job where he outlive expectations and the standard life of a QB. Don't forget he decided to retire....

Second, you can tell Favre loves the game just by the way he plays and the passion he has...its does not require a doctorate in psychology to see that. You could see how much it hurt him to leave the game when he retired during his press conference....would not expect you to understand something like that though.

I see an old man that is old and was struggling to keep it together last season. He is old worn and tired he has outlived his usefullness and it's time for him to move on.


Third I have not watched ESPN in months, its probably been since the super bowl that I have watched an entire sports center. But you keep arguing against something just becuase ESPN says it and you want to be different...


Ook but you still believe the Farve the Golden boy and how much he loves the game. I don't see him as that type of person.


And it is: quote un quote, and typically when you are writing you use the actually quotation marks ""....

The level of bashing and hatred for one of the all time classiest and most passionate players the NFL has seen on threads like these is absolutely disgusting and pathetic.


He was addicted to pain killers and acohol.... I wonder how classy that is..... :rolleyes:

[utrunner07]

no, he wasnt

Aikman had basically 2 subpar games in all his playoff career.



lol, come on you know better than that...

[utrunner07]

1. All things must come to an end and football is something most end whether he wants it to or not 18 years it far to long. For a job where he outlive expectations and the standard life of a QB. Don't forget he decided to retire....

2. I see an old man that is old and was struggling to keep it together last season. He is old worn and tired he has outlived his usefullness and it's time for him to move on.

3. Ook but you still believe the Farve the Golden boy and how much he loves the game. I don't see him as that type of person.

4. He was addicted to pain killers and acohol.... I wonder how classy that is..... :rolleyes:

I agree with you (at least to an extent) on 1 and 2 but I don't blame at all for still having that desire to play...

On three, I guess we will disagree then, no way of knowing for sure either way, you may be right, but in the past he has loved the game, I think he still does, just an opinion.

4. Everyone makes mistakes, and he overcame his. He was always classy on the field and on the camera and always very well respected by those that knew him, that says a lot.

[5Stars]

lol, come on you know better than that...


I thought I heard that Aikman was one of the best, if not the best, percentage wise in the playoffs? I mean, come on here! Three SuperBowls compared to one for CheeseHead? It does not add up....

[dbair1967]

lol, come on you know better than that...

lol...ok you take Favor...I'll take Aikman and whip your teams arse almost everytime

Aikman= money in big games

Favre= not so much

David

[utrunner07]

lol...ok you take Favor...I'll take Aikman and whip your teams arse almost everytime

Aikman= money in big games

Favre= not so much

David

First of all I will take Favre on the early 90s Cowboys teams over Aikman on the two Green Bay Super Bowl teams any day....

Second your original statement was "and he [Favre] sux in the playoffs anyway" --- so my question to you. Does Favre suck in the playoffs or does he have a few bad games just like any other QB?

(I recognize that Favre makes more mistakes than Aikman, Favre was also on a less talented team than Aikman, take it for what its worth)

[Gryphon]

Fans picketing outside of Lambeau Field (per NFL Network) demanding that Packers management give Favre the starting job back. They also said a march is planned for sometime this week in Milwaukee. There is website that is going to be launched called "bringbackfavre.com" (or something similar).

[5Stars]

Fans picketing outside of Lambeau Field (per NFL Network) demanding that Packers management give Favre the starting job back. They also said a march is planned for sometime this week in Milwaukee. There is website that is going to be launched called "bringbackfavre.com" (or something similar).


:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:


Some moldey cheese up in that neck of the woods!!

Hey, I'm cool with Favre coming back...not my problem! And, if management caves into the demands of the fans (the actual owners of the team)...then they are just as wishy-washy as the great CheesHead his bad self!!

[DaBoys4Life]

Fans picketing outside of Lambeau Field (per NFL Network) demanding that Packers management give Favre the starting job back. They also said a march is planned for sometime this week in Milwaukee. There is website that is going to be launched called "bringbackfavre.com" (or something similar).

utrunner is going to spearhead the movement.

[Fletch]

I bet ten bucks if Favre is in fact released, he goes to the Vikings.

If he went to the Vikes that would be very scary.

I don't think he'd be as scary as he was with Green Bay last year. No way he tops or comes close to the production he had last year with the Vikes.

[big dog cowboy]

Um...he was just as good as Aikman in the playoffs...and I am pretty sure we can all agree Aikman did not suck in the playoffs.
Not really.

[dbair1967]

First of all I will take Favre on the early 90s Cowboys teams over Aikman on the two Green Bay Super Bowl teams any day....

Second your original statement was "and he [Favre] sux in the playoffs anyway" --- so my question to you. Does Favre suck in the playoffs or does he have a few bad games just like any other QB?

(I recognize that Favre makes more mistakes than Aikman, Favre was also on a less talented team than Aikman, take it for what its worth)

Like I said, I'll take Aikman any day of the week over Favre, and we'd have never won 3 super bowls (and come close to a 4th staright) with Favre instead of Aikman...

Favre would have never fit in Norv Turner's/Zampese's timing, precision based offense...on the other hand, I do think Aikman would have been an ideal fit for the west coast offense and probably would have had some huge numbers had he been in a pass first scheme

David

[FloridaRob]

...
I see an old man that is old and was struggling to keep it together last season. He is old worn and tired he has outlived his usefullness and it's time for him to move on.


...

You have got to be kidding. The guy at 38 throws for over 4000 yrds , 30 TDs+-, has the best completion percentage in his career, led the team in a number of 4th quarter comebacks, took the team to the NFC championship game, finished 2nd in the MVP of the league behind Bradys once in a lifetime performance, and "he looked old, worn and tired." I would bet that every QB in the league hope when they turn 38 they are as "old, worn and tired" as Favre was last year. Heck, I bet every Qb in the league outside of Manning or Brady, would settle for the performance Favre had any year.

I have not done the research but has any QB in history ever had the numbers that Favre had last year. At 38 yrs old. Old, worn and tired. Even the most ardent FAvre haters would have to come up with different adjectives because those don't apply.

[FloridaRob]

Like I said, I'll take Aikman any day of the week over Favre, and we'd have never won 3 super bowls (and come close to a 4th staright) with Favre instead of Aikman...

...

If GB had not beaten Arizona the last game of 1988, that scenario may have played out. Packers had the 1st round pick until the last game of the year. They decided to beat ARizona. Aikman would have been the first choice by the Packers. Would the Cowboys have selected Tony Mandarich???? Or Barry Sanders? Funny how one game might have changed the futuree of two franchises. If Aikrman goes to Green Bay, who goes to Dallas. IF Sanders goes to Dallas, there would be no Emmit Smith. The Football Gods were with you....

[utrunner07]

utrunner is going to spearhead the movement.
:) good call! i am heading up the Dallas division...so far its me...

[FloridaRob]

:) good call! i am heading up the Dallas division...so far its me...

utrunner07 is my new best friend. :)

[peplaw06]

Farve is nothing but media hype and a QB that had a longer career than the norm.Yeah because media hype alone can make you a first ballot hall of famer... no matter how much you suck. :rolleyes: If you look at his stats from this year they we're amazing how ever these were career numbers and he wasn't Brett Farve the gunslinger. Based on QB rating alone, this was his third best year. He's had a QB rating over 90.0 for eight seasons in his career.... over 16 seasons.

1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2007...

(Note: Yes, I KNOW he technically played for 17. I'm not counting his two game rookie season in Atlanta where he attempted all of 4 passes)
He was a system QB that benefited from the system in Green Bay it didn't hurt that his WR had the highest YAC in the NFL. I think this is the worst argument against a player's stats that is EVER used. He stayed in GB for 16 seasons... so far. He's worked under numerous Head Coaches and Offensive Coordinators, and many different systems, or at least variations of the system. Sure his best seasons were in the WCO when he had decent WRs, but you can make that argument about any offensive skill player. It's the same with Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt. They benefited from the system and an all time great OL. Do you feel Aikman was overrated because he happened to play in a great system with great teammates?

The people who make that same argument catch the same amount of ridicule as far as I'm concerned. It's intellectually lazy, and a cop out bashing of someone who in the end, is just a guy you don't like. If you disregard this year stats and look at the past 3 season I think it's clear or was clear that brett farves career was heading down the drain.If you disregard the best seasons of any player, they're going to appear to suck. But no right minded person does that.

And it's not like Favre had the best talent he ever had around him this past season. It was leagues behind the talent he had during their run to two SBs. It was basically Donald Driver and a bunch of cast offs. But he had his best year ever in Completion %, 3rd best in QB rating, and 3rd best in yards.

And not to mention, only two seasons before this one were subpar for him. In 2004, he threw for 30 TDs (more than 2007's 28), completed 64% of his passes, threw for 4,000 yards AGAIN (he's now done it 5 times), and had a QB rating of 92.4.

But you're right, if you ignore this past one, the two before it were subpar. Therefore, he sucks. :rolleyes:However because he has become immortalized as a Packer they had their hads tied. Right now the franchise belongs to Green Bay and it's no longer about Brett Farve they need to move on and Farve needs to die in obscurity some where (not really just leave the game alone)I think you just don't like the guy, and you wish he'd leave. It's obvious the Packers fanbase doesn't agree with you... they're picketing outside Lambeau.

Just because you say my POV is ridiculous doesn't make it so.Yeah, looks pretty ridiculous to me.

[peplaw06]

Not everyone can compete with your 7000 ridiculous posts.Don't short change yourself there.

[utrunner07]

Yeah because media hype alone can make you a first ballot hall of famer... no matter how much you suck. :rolleyes: Based on QB rating alone, this was his third best year. He's had a QB rating over 90.0 for eight seasons in his career.... over 16 seasons.

1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2007...

(Note: Yes, I KNOW he technically played for 17. I'm not counting his two game rookie season in Atlanta where he attempted all of 4 passes)
I think this is the worst argument against a player's stats that is EVER used. He stayed in GB for 16 seasons... so far. He's worked under numerous Head Coaches and Offensive Coordinators, and many different systems, or at least variations of the system. Sure his best seasons were in the WCO when he had decent WRs, but you can make that argument about any offensive skill player. It's the same with Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt. They benefited from the system and an all time great OL. Do you feel Aikman was overrated because he happened to play in a great system with great teammates?

The people who make that same argument catch the same amount of ridicule as far as I'm concerned. It's intellectually lazy, and a cop out bashing of someone who in the end, is just a guy you don't like. If you disregard the best seasons of any player, they're going to appear to suck. But no right minded person does that.

And it's not like Favre had the best talent he ever had around him this past season. It was leagues behind the talent he had during their run to two SBs. It was basically Donald Driver and a bunch of cast offs. But he had his best year ever in Completion %, 3rd best in QB rating, and 3rd best in yards.

And not to mention, only two seasons before this one were subpar for him. In 2004, he threw for 30 TDs (more than 2007's 28), completed 64% of his passes, threw for 4,000 yards AGAIN (he's now done it 5 times), and had a QB rating of 92.4.

But you're right, if you ignore this past one, the two before it were subpar. Therefore, he sucks. :rolleyes:I think you just don't like the guy, and you wish he'd leave. It's obvious the Packers fanbase doesn't agree with you... they're picketing outside Lambeau.

Yeah, looks pretty ridiculous to me.

Very well said! I doubt it will get through to any of them though...they are blinded by their Favre hatred..

[MWILL]

Very well said! I doubt it will get through to any of them though...they are blinded by their Favre hatred..


Blinded by their Favre hatred? Oh please. :rolleyes:

The media OVER-HYPES this guy. It's as if this guy does nothing wrong.
He can throw 6-8 INT's in a playoff game (GB vs. Rams I'm sure Packer fans can't forget that one), and all you hear is
"Don't worry Bret, you'll do better next time."
"He's playing like a Kid out there"
"Why retire this guy can play for another 3 yrs"
but when T.O. wears a Santa hat after they lose the Christmas game.
It's a distraction. C'mon people.

Bret is a good QB, but I can't trust him in the playoffs
(ya know, when It really counts)

What's his playoff record?

Did u see how he played against Dallas this year? Bret was going to be pulled out of that game if he kept throwing bonehead INT's.

Did u see how Bret played against the Giants? Not good.

Did Bret throw a Killer Interception in that game when it counted? Yes

Was that game in GB? Yes.

Was that 2007 team good enough to get to the SB? Yes, only because Dallas was eliminated. Farve can't win in Dallas.

Do I hate Bret? No, but he needs to be treated just like the rest of the QB's in the league. Stop with this favortism. That means you Madden & the media. Packer fans I'll give u a pass only cause he's YOUR QB....well backup QB now.

[DaBoys4Life]

Yeah because media hype alone can make you a first ballot hall of famer... no matter how much you suck. :rolleyes: Based on QB rating alone, this was his third best year. He's had a QB rating over 90.0 for eight seasons in his career.... over 16 seasons.

1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2007...


QB rating is the most meaningless QB stat their is I think something like there's only 3 QB's in the HoF with a QB rating over 70 but i could be mistaken but i think i heard that some where.


(Note: Yes, I KNOW he technically played for 17. I'm not counting his two game rookie season in Atlanta where he attempted all of 4 passes)
I think this is the worst argument against a player's stats that is EVER used. He stayed in GB for 16 seasons... so far. He's worked under numerous Head Coaches and Offensive Coordinators, and many different systems, or at least variations of the system. Sure his best seasons were in the WCO when he had decent WRs, but you can make that argument about any offensive skill player. It's the same with Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt. They benefited from the system and an all time great OL. Do you feel Aikman was overrated because he happened to play in a great system with great teammates?


What I mean he benefited by the system was that he was no longer the gun slinger whipping the ball down the field. 200+ of his compeltions were under 10 yards I'm not convinced that he can still perform at a high level. It just seems that a lot of teams do that dink and dunk crap and the only difference with Green Bay is their WR YAC.

The people who make that same argument catch the same amount of ridicule as far as I'm concerned. It's intellectually lazy, and a cop out bashing of someone who in the end, is just a guy you don't like. If you disregard the best seasons of any player, they're going to appear to suck. But no right minded person does that.

I'm just saying his career was in the decline and was going down hill and the he has this magical resurgent career and all of a sudden he is the greatest thing since slice bread......

And it's not like Favre had the best talent he ever had around him this past season. It was leagues behind the talent he had during their run to two SBs. It was basically Donald Driver and a bunch of cast offs. But he had his best year ever in Completion %, 3rd best in QB rating, and 3rd best in yards.

I don't think you can consider Greg Jennings a cast off but w.e. floats your boat.

And not to mention, only two seasons before this one were subpar for him. In 2004, he threw for 30 TDs (more than 2007's 28), completed 64% of his passes, threw for 4,000 yards AGAIN (he's now done it 5 times), and had a QB rating of 92.4.

Yea your right I looked at the stats and saw that he did have a good season in 04.


But you're right, if you ignore this past one, the two before it were subpar. Therefore, he sucks. :rolleyes:I think you just don't like the guy, and you wish he'd leave. It's obvious the Packers fanbase doesn't agree with you... they're picketing outside Lambeau.

Yeah, looks pretty ridiculous to me.


A lot of the packer fan base would allow brett farve to spit in their face and they would accept it. Picketting for a QB..... like what is the management supposed to do with a guy like this that has been enshrined in Packer fandom like this. He's been toying around with retirement for a while now and when he finally does it he goes oh noes I want a do over. He has power of the franchise and no player should have as much power as he does in Green Bay.


You have got to be kidding. The guy at 38 throws for over 4000 yrds , 30 TDs+-, has the best completion percentage in his career, led the team in a number of 4th quarter comebacks, took the team to the NFC championship game, finished 2nd in the MVP of the league behind Bradys once in a lifetime performance, and "he looked old, worn and tired." I would bet that every QB in the league hope when they turn 38 they are as "old, worn and tired" as Favre was last year. Heck, I bet every Qb in the league outside of Manning or Brady, would settle for the performance Favre had any year.

I have not done the research but has any QB in history ever had the numbers that Favre had last year. At 38 yrs old. Old, worn and tired. Even the most ardent FAvre haters would have to come up with different adjectives because those don't apply.


Romo had a better season than Farve did yet farve had more MVP votes....go figure. Look at his press conference after game he is old tired and worn physically and mentally drained. He is a shrewed old man holding and playing for stats only.

[Heisenberg]

I don't think Favre is overrated in the least. I think he deserves all the accolades he gets.

However, for anyone who thinks he's as good as Aikman was in the playoffs? That's just silly.

[iceberg]

I bet ten bucks if Favre is in fact released, he goes to the Vikings.

If he went to the Vikes that would be very scary.

when TO whined about his contract and wanted out, he was an evil evil man. can't do what he said he'd do. won't honor the agreement.

now favre spent 2-3 years holding the team hostage while he pulled a parcells and had to go find the inner strength to go on making millions a year and then he finally walks away into the sunset.

sort of.

now he wants back, wants to start and if he can't have his way he'll WAH a lot. favre needs to put his diapers back on, shove a pacifier in, and stay retired and get the hell of my TV once and for all. if he wants back, unretire and go play backup and finish your contract.

[peplaw06]

QB rating is the most meaningless QB stat their is I think something like there's only 3 QB's in the HoF with a QB rating over 70 but i could be mistaken but i think i heard that some where.Read: I don't know ho they come up with a QB rating, therefore, it is meaningless.

You may need to go ask Adam, theo, or percy howard how important QB rating is. They're more knowledgeable than I am, but I do know that QB rating is probably the least meaningless stat out there.


What I mean he benefited by the system was that he was no longer the gun slinger whipping the ball down the field. 200+ of his compeltions were under 10 yards I'm not convinced that he can still perform at a high level. It just seems that a lot of teams do that dink and dunk crap and the only difference with Green Bay is their WR YAC.Speaking of meaningless stats... 200 or more out of 356 completions under 10 yards?? Say it ain't so!!!

Favre's YPA was tied for 3rd highest in the league at 7.8, behind Brady's 8.3, Romo's 8.1, and tied with Peyton's 7.8.

And YAC is a good stat for QBs too. It's not like the worst QBs in the league all have a bunch of WRs at the top of the YAC list. A lot of YAC is the QB getting the ball to guys in space who can make something happen. All of those 4 QBs at the top of the YPA list had a number of WRs at the top of the YAC list.

It's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about with stats.

[utrunner07]

Blinded by their Favre hatred? Oh please. :rolleyes:

The media OVER-HYPES this guy. It's as if this guy does nothing wrong.
He can throw 6-8 INT's in a playoff game (GB vs. Rams I'm sure Packer fans can't forget that one), and all you hear is
"Don't worry Bret, you'll do better next time."
"He's playing like a Kid out there"
"Why retire this guy can play for another 3 yrs"
but when T.O. wears a Santa hat after they lose the Christmas game.
It's a distraction. C'mon people.

Bret is a good QB, but I can't trust him in the playoffs
(ya know, when It really counts)

What's his playoff record?

Did u see how he played against Dallas this year? Bret was going to be pulled out of that game if he kept throwing bonehead INT's.

Did u see how Bret played against the Giants? Not good.

Did Bret throw a Killer Interception in that game when it counted? Yes

Was that game in GB? Yes.

Was that 2007 team good enough to get to the SB? Yes, only because Dallas was eliminated. Farve can't win in Dallas.

Do I hate Bret? No, but he needs to be treated just like the rest of the QB's in the league. Stop with this favortism. That means you Madden & the media. Packer fans I'll give u a pass only cause he's YOUR QB....well backup QB now.

I would be careful talking about stuff that you don't know very much about...your entire argument here is VERY weak.


The media OVER-HYPES this guy. It's as if this guy does nothing wrong.
Ok so you hate him becuase the media over hypes him. Ok. How many records does Favre hold...oh yeah...how important to his team is he....oh yeah...does he play for one of the legendary teams in football...oh yeah...maybe he is not so over hyped....

He can throw 6-8 INT's in a playoff game (GB vs. Rams I'm sure Packer fans can't forget that one), and all you hear is
"Don't worry Bret, you'll do better next time."
"He's playing like a Kid out there"

Ah the much fabled 6 Interception game (BTW it was 6 if you are going to argue like you know something you might want to make sure you know the facts)...yeah you keep focusing on ONE game, just like all the other haters. I have said it before, you can easily pick out one of Aikman's playoff games and just looking at that one say he must have sucked...and no after a bad game the media did not get down on Aikman. Why? Because like Favre they knew it was a fluke.

"Why retire this guy can play for another 3 yrs"

Well everyone said he should have retired before last year and look what happened.

but when T.O. wears a Santa hat after they lose the Christmas game.
It's a distraction. C'mon people.

Wow...this comparison is absolutely absurd....comparing a players on the field play to what someone does off the field? What? I don't even know what you would try to accomplish by comparing the two...what a pathetic argument...becuase wearing a Santa hat = throwing interceptions? :banghead:

Bret is a good QB, but I can't trust him in the playoffs
(ya know, when It really counts)

Who cares if you can trust him? Do you trust Tony Romo? You sure better say you don't becuase Favre is better in the playoffs than Romo has been.

What's his playoff record?

Lol, I really doubt you know. 12 wins and 10 losses.

Did u see how he played against Dallas this year? Bret was going to be pulled out of that game if he kept throwing bonehead INT's.

Wow you talk to Packer Management? You know he was going to be pulled? Wow!

Did u see how Bret played against the Giants? Not good.

Did you see how Romo played? What's your point?

Did Bret throw a Killer Interception in that game when it counted? Yes

Was that game in GB? Yes.

Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Joe Namath, Peyton Manning...all have had similar interceptions....AT HOME:eek:

Was that 2007 team good enough to get to the SB? Yes, only because Dallas was eliminated. Farve can't win in Dallas.

Ok well then Favre really must suck if he can take his team to the superbowl even if Dallas was eliminated...

No, but he needs to be treated just like the rest of the QB's in the league. Stop with this favortism.

I tell you what, when every other QB in the league holds the majority of the passing records then he can be treated like the rest...until then maybe you need to realize that he has almost every major passing record and is going to get hyped becuase of it.....(plus lots of other reasons)

[5Stars]

when TO whined about his contract and wanted out, he was an evil evil man. can't do what he said he'd do. won't honor the agreement.

now favre spent 2-3 years holding the team hostage while he pulled a parcells and had to go find the inner strength to go on making millions a year and then he finally walks away into the sunset.

sort of.

now he wants back, wants to start and if he can't have his way he'll WAH a lot. favre needs to put his diapers back on, shove a pacifier in, and stay retired and get the hell of my TV once and for all. if he wants back, unretire and go play backup and finish your contract.


Thank you very much! I couldn't have said it better...!!


:bow:

[Doomsday101]

If Brett wants to return then he should. In my own opinion I think it would be better for him to stay retired but I understand the reasons why he would want to continue. Most of these guys have been playing this game since they were kids it is what they know and as the season is getting closer so is his desire to compete. I think he still has the talent to play the game at a high level. I don't think this is about money but the love he has for the game.

[iceberg]

If Brett wants to return then he should. In my own opinion I think it would be better for him to stay retired but I understand the reasons why he would want to continue. Most of these guys have been playing this game since they were kids it is what they know and as the season is getting closer so is his desire to compete. I think he still has the talent to play the game at a high level. I don't think this is about money but the love he has for the game.

if he loved the game, he'd not consider retirement year in and year out. he would not have retired and then suddenly when life went on without him, he wants back in.

i've always respected favre the player but favre the person needs to slap a pad on it and shut up.

[REDVOLUTION]

First of all I will take Favre on the early 90s Cowboys teams over Aikman on the two Green Bay Super Bowl teams any day....

Second your original statement was "and he [Favre] sux in the playoffs anyway" --- so my question to you. Does Favre suck in the playoffs or does he have a few bad games just like any other QB?

(I recognize that Favre makes more mistakes than Aikman, Favre was also on a less talented team than Aikman, take it for what its worth)


Wow... just wow.

Aikman is known for his Great decision making. Favre is not.

No way we win 3 with Favre at the helm. Emmitt would get less caries too.



Wake and smell the Colombian Beans.



Favre: "I think this is most talented team I have ever been on"

[peplaw06]

now favre spent 2-3 years holding the team hostage while he pulled a parcells and had to go find the inner strength to go on making millions a year and then he finally walks away into the sunset.

sort of.I'm not a big fan of Favre's actions either.... I just don't feel sorry for Green Bay, or believe they're "being held hostage." Favre's one of the all-time greats, and if the Packers believe he can still play at a high level, of course they're going to want him to play as long as he can get it done. I don't feel sorry for them because he's indecisive, they're benefiting by not having to turn the reins over to an inexperienced guy. And if he's learning something every day sitting behind Favre, then all the better for them when Favre leaves.

I mainly got into this thread though because of some people's refusal to consider him an all-time great QB. That's pure lunacy.

[iceberg]

I'm not a big fan of Favre's actions either.... I just don't feel sorry for Green Bay, or believe they're "being held hostage." Favre's one of the all-time greats, and if the Packers believe he can still play at a high level, of course they're going to want him to play as long as he can get it done. I don't feel sorry for them because he's indecisive, they're benefiting by not having to turn the reins over to an inexperienced guy. And if he's learning something every day sitting behind Favre, then all the better for them when Favre leaves.

I mainly got into this thread though because of some people's refusal to consider him an all-time great QB. That's pure lunacy.

if i were management and at the end of the last 2-3 years i had to wait for favre to go on a sabbatical to see if he could go another year, i'd get tired of it. hostage may be harsh, but geez dude...chit or get. i'm not sure why he can't make up his mind but he seems to cry out if the spotlight isn't on him.

this has nothing to do with him the player. he's a 1st ballot HOF easy. now if they had a whiner-boy-HOF he'd be in the running for that at this rate as well.

i think green bay had enough and if favre wants to come back as a backup, good. i'm on the management side of this cause favre needs to stop the drama-fest every year. he's now gunning KISS for the most times any major celebrity can retire from their chosen field and just be kidding.

i don't think green bay should be forced into a trade OR making him the starter if they've spent all this time getting aaron rogers up and going FINALLY. i hope they don't cave into the great favre who seems to be relying on his rep and history to get his way.

he never could make up his mind on the field and made crap up as he went and now he can't make up his mind off the field either.

favre is one of the greatest to play the game. he's also one of the biggest prima donnas and i'm just tired of favre-TV.

[DaBoys4Life]

I'm not a big fan of Favre's actions either.... I just don't feel sorry for Green Bay, or believe they're "being held hostage." Favre's one of the all-time greats, and if the Packers believe he can still play at a high level, of course they're going to want him to play as long as he can get it done. I don't feel sorry for them because he's indecisive, they're benefiting by not having to turn the reins over to an inexperienced guy. And if he's learning something every day sitting behind Favre, then all the better for them when Favre leaves.

I mainly got into this thread though because of some people's refusal to consider him an all-time great QB. That's pure lunacy.

he's not in my top 10... He wasn't even the best QB in the game while he was playing.....:rolleyes:

[Doomsday101]

if he loved the game, he'd not consider retirement year in and year out. he would not have retired and then suddenly when life went on without him, he wants back in.

i've always respected favre the player but favre the person needs to slap a pad on it and shut up.

I think he has paid his dues. It is up to GB if they want him back or not and from my understanding the Pack appear to be ready to move on with Rogers.

Pack can let Brett move on and I think they will and there are some teams out there who clearly could use a vet QB to bridge the gap until they have a QB they feel is ready to take over.

[bbgun]

From Steve Czaban's blog:


The true colors have come out.

Brett Favre: Hero. Legend. Iron Man.

Diva.

And let's throw in "phony" while we are at it.

I warned people when I gave Brett the benefit of the doubt at his teary press conference: "If he's just kidding....."

Well, here we are, and I think any columnist in America who doesn't rip this narcissistic hillbilly for the crap he's attempting to pull, need to pull their own head out of the clouds.

Brett Favre is Chad Johnson without the gold teeth. He's Terrell Owens without the Sharpie fetish. He's just as bad as any athlete today who pouts and stomps until he gets his way - EXACTLY his way - no matter what harm comes to his team because of it.

Sorry Favre fans. Truth hurts. You gave this guy unconditional love, and he's spitting on it.

Go ahead, write the angry emails at me. Say it was all the Packers' fault. Blame Ted Thompson. Do whatever makes you feel better.

Truth is, though, this guy left YOU. You and the legion of faithful Packer fans who excused his numerous game-killing INTs with the feeble excuse of "Brett Being Brett." Or you covered for him by saying "he doesn't have the weapons."

Memo to Brett. Grow up. It's sorta late, but never TOO late. Apologize first for having done this. Then make your best honest case as to what you really want right now. It's your only hope to save any sort of face.

Professional football teams don't come installed with doggie doors for legendary QBs to just come and go as they please. While you think your incredible career has "earned" you the right to do crap like this, fact is, it hasn't. The men you walked away from in tears in March, had the task of marching forward without you.

This involves great responsibility and risk. They had no choice.

You did, however, and despite urgings to consider carefully, you took the cop out route.

Retire now. Scoop up all the hero salutes and video montages. And hell, you'll figure the rest out later. Right? I mean, you are BRETT FAVRE, right? If the Pack wouldn't take you back on a 10 minute heads-up, then surely a half dozen other teams would.

Asking for what you REALLY wanted would have made you feel cheap, right Brett? "I want to play for somebody else." Wouldn't have been that hard to say. But then again, it would have put the burden on you. Why do you want to leave? What could have made you stay?

You would have to explain yourself, and take some heat, and hell, The Legend doesn't do that, does he? Better to just "retire" and then try to whipsaw the team into a stupid and awkward position, and walk out on the tab.

This is just plain ugly. Legacy dented. Not ruined, but when you look at the Favre statue, it'll be hard not to notice this one.

[Doomsday101]

I think from GB perspective they should go with Rogers, I think playing a mind game with him would not be good for him or GB in the long run. However I don't fault Brett for not wanting to hang them up. This was not a ploy to get more money and no one is forcing GB to keep him. If someone is willing to bring in Brett for a year or 2 they clearly would be getting a QB that has some game left. Why anyone else is offended by Brett doing this is beyond me.

[Arch Stanton]

he's not in my top 10... He wasn't even the best QB in the game while he was playing.....:rolleyes:

Wow, just wow! He was the outright winner of the league MVP for two years and shared it with Barry Sanders for a third and he wasn't the best QB playing at anytime during his career? :confused:

[iceberg]

I think he has paid his dues. It is up to GB if they want him back or not and from my understanding the Pack appear to be ready to move on with Rogers.

Pack can let Brett move on and I think they will and there are some teams out there who clearly could use a vet QB to bridge the gap until they have a QB they feel is ready to take over.

why? why should they let him move on if they'd like him in a backup role?

as for dues...he's made his millions too. i'm not that concerned about him anymore.

[Doomsday101]

why? why should they let him move on if they'd like him in a backup role?

as for dues...he's made his millions too. i'm not that concerned about him anymore.

I think they will let him move on, I don't think they intend on punishing him because he had a change of heart and I don't think they want to delay Rogers any longer. Could GB take a hardnose approach and say you either stay retired or you play backup? sure they could but I think they respect him more than that. For me I don't have an issue about Favre returning if that is what he wants to do

[MWILL]

I would be careful talking about stuff that you don't know very much about...your entire argument here is VERY weak.


The media OVER-HYPES this guy. It's as if this guy does nothing wrong.
Ok so you hate him becuase the media over hypes him. Ok. How many records does Favre hold...oh yeah...how important to his team is he....oh yeah...does he play for one of the legendary teams in football...oh yeah...maybe he is not so over hyped....

He can throw 6-8 INT's in a playoff game (GB vs. Rams I'm sure Packer fans can't forget that one), and all you hear is
"Don't worry Bret, you'll do better next time."
"He's playing like a Kid out there"

Ah the much fabled 6 Interception game (BTW it was 6 if you are going to argue like you know something you might want to make sure you know the facts)...yeah you keep focusing on ONE game, just like all the other haters. I have said it before, you can easily pick out one of Aikman's playoff games and just looking at that one say he must have sucked...and no after a bad game the media did not get down on Aikman. Why? Because like Favre they knew it was a fluke.

"Why retire this guy can play for another 3 yrs"

Well everyone said he should have retired before last year and look what happened.

but when T.O. wears a Santa hat after they lose the Christmas game.
It's a distraction. C'mon people.

Wow...this comparison is absolutely absurd....comparing a players on the field play to what someone does off the field? What? I don't even know what you would try to accomplish by comparing the two...what a pathetic argument...becuase wearing a Santa hat = throwing interceptions? :banghead:

Bret is a good QB, but I can't trust him in the playoffs
(ya know, when It really counts)

Who cares if you can trust him? Do you trust Tony Romo? You sure better say you don't becuase Favre is better in the playoffs than Romo has been.

What's his playoff record?

Lol, I really doubt you know. 12 wins and 10 losses.

Did u see how he played against Dallas this year? Bret was going to be pulled out of that game if he kept throwing bonehead INT's.

Wow you talk to Packer Management? You know he was going to be pulled? Wow!

Did u see how Bret played against the Giants? Not good.

Did you see how Romo played? What's your point?

Did Bret throw a Killer Interception in that game when it counted? Yes

Was that game in GB? Yes.

Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Joe Namath, Peyton Manning...all have had similar interceptions....AT HOME:eek:

Was that 2007 team good enough to get to the SB? Yes, only because Dallas was eliminated. Farve can't win in Dallas.

Ok well then Favre really must suck if he can take his team to the superbowl even if Dallas was eliminated...

No, but he needs to be treated just like the rest of the QB's in the league. Stop with this favortism.

I tell you what, when every other QB in the league holds the majority of the passing records then he can be treated like the rest...until then maybe you need to realize that he has almost every major passing record and is going to get hyped becuase of it.....(plus lots of other reasons)


The Farve lovers are coming out of the woodworks because he had finally had a decent season. Where were guys a couple of seasons ago?

Ok so you hate him becuase the media over hypes him. Ok. How many records does Favre hold...oh yeah...how important to his team is he....oh yeah...does he play for one of the legendary teams in football...oh yeah...maybe he is not so over hyped....
I don't care about his passing records it's about championships (that's why GB IS a legendary team) maybe you haven't figured that out yet.

I don't hate Farve. I've already typed that.

I'm pretty sure Farve is sick and tired of getting his butt kissed on a daily basis by the media.

If you noticed in my 1st argument i never compared Romo and Farve.
Cause Romo's career is just starting.

If u want to compare Aikman & Bret we can do that.
IMO Aikman makes the SMARTER decisions on the field than Bret.
If u disagree with that comment....Your Crazy!

As far as stats go. I HATE THEM!!
Therefore, I don't us them as often (or at all).

:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

[MWILL]

Wow... just wow.

Aikman is known for his Great decision making. Favre is not.

No way we win 3 with Favre at the helm. Emmitt would get less caries too.



Wake and smell the Colombian Beans.



Favre: "I think this is most talented team I have ever been on"


YoMick! Why can't Packers fans see through this?

Rogers might be a better QB, but I don't see the fans letting "Lord" Farve go in thier minds.

BTW, are a Farve Hater (like Farve Lovers like to call Cowboys fans here) or are YOU just tired of Fare-TV?

:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin Championship for every star!!

[FloridaRob]

The Farve lovers are coming out of the woodworks because he had finally had a decent season. Where were guys a couple of seasons ago?

Ok so you hate him becuase the media over hypes him. Ok. How many records does Favre hold...oh yeah...how important to his team is he....oh yeah...does he play for one of the legendary teams in football...oh yeah...maybe he is not so over hyped....
I don't care about his passing records it's about championships (that's why GB IS a legendary team) maybe you haven't figured that out yet.

I don't hate Farve. I've already typed that.

I'm pretty sure Farve is sick and tired of getting his butt kissed on a daily basis by the media.

If you noticed in my 1st argument i never compared Romo and Farve.
Cause Romo's career is just starting.

If u want to compare Aikman & Bret we can do that.
IMO Aikman makes the SMARTER decisions on the field than Bret.
If u disagree with that comment....Your Crazy!

As far as stats go. I HATE THEM!!
Therefore, I don't us them as often (or at all).

:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

actualy the quality of the player is not measured by championships. Marino is one of the best ever. How many championships does he have. If Elway would not have won Super Bowls the last two years would he have still have been considered one of the best ever. Absolutely. The championships were icing on the cake to a stellar career. Championships are more a result of the complete team and how they are playing at that time. The final stats are what defines the quality of a player. Barrry Sanders is known as one of the greatest RBs of all times. How many championships does he have. Jim Kelley has none, he was one of the greatest Ever. It just so happened his team did not measure up against the Dallas Buzzsaws of the 90s. JIm Plunkett was a nothing QB until he went to a great team. STeve Young was a nothing QB until he went to a great team. Championships are for the team. STats define the player.

Favre is one of the greatest players in the history of the game. He has the
records and the trophys to prove it.

[FloridaRob]

Wow... just wow.

Aikman is known for his Great decision making. Favre is not.

No way we win 3 with Favre at the helm. Emmitt would get less caries too.



Wake and smell the Colombian Beans.



Favre: "I think this is most talented team I have ever been on"

Aikman played with pereniall pro bowl players on his offensive line, A Hof WR, A HOF Rb, please tell me that Aikman would have done great with the Robert Brooks, Antonio Freemans, Dorsey Levens of the world. I know you think your guy can do no wrong, But your guy did have HOFers and perenial pro offensive line players. FAvre didnt. Favre did mroe with less than any QB in history. And at 38 yrs old had a season most other QBs only dream about. Not bad for an old washed up, worn out tired has been like you like to call him.

[Chief]

From Steve Czaban's blog:


The true colors have come out.

Brett Favre: Hero. Legend. Iron Man.

Diva.

And let's throw in "phony" while we are at it.

I warned people when I gave Brett the benefit of the doubt at his teary press conference: "If he's just kidding....."

Well, here we are, and I think any columnist in America who doesn't rip this narcissistic hillbilly for the crap he's attempting to pull, need to pull their own head out of the clouds.

Brett Favre is Chad Johnson without the gold teeth.


I've been saying this for a long time.

[REDVOLUTION]

YoMick! Why can't Packers fans see through this?

Rogers might be a better QB, but I don't see the fans letting "Lord" Farve go in thier minds.

BTW, are a Farve Hater (like Farve Lovers like to call Cowboys fans here) or are YOU just tired of Fare-TV?


They dont want to. Its blind unadulterated homerism.
I am the BIGGEST T.O. HOMER on the site and I STILL call him out for the negative. It can be done.

Rogers is not better. But they also dont know what he can deliver if anything for a season. That needs to known.


Absolutely do not hate Favre. No way, he is a good guy and a good QB.
I just cant watch and listen to him being lauded like the next coming of __________(insert grandness here) lol

When he has cost him team ALOT of BIG games due to his poor decision making.... its all about HIM throwing the Game Winning TD.... Aikman hands the ball off to Emmitt..... JUST TO GET THE WIN.



Aikman played with pereniall pro bowl players on his offensive line, A Hof WR, A HOF Rb, please tell me that Aikman would have done great with the Robert Brooks, Antonio Freemans, Dorsey Levens of the world. I know you think your guy can do no wrong, But your guy did have HOFers and perenial pro offensive line players. FAvre didnt. Favre did mroe with less than any QB in history. And at 38 yrs old had a season most other QBs only dream about. Not bad for an old washed up, worn out tired has been like you like to call him.


Please, please..... please stop.

Favre lost the games he played us in the 90's before they even played them.
And I quote "who do we play next? Oh, Dallas... pack our bags... season is over" HE HAS SAID THAT.

Romo had a season that most other Qb's dream about too... what of it?
Favre if nothing is consistent. When you need him to win that playoff game. FORGET IT!

[FloridaRob]

They dont want to. Its blind unadulterated homerism.
I am the BIGGEST T.O. HOMER on the site and I STILL call him out for the negative. It can be done.

Rogers is not better. But they also dont know what he can deliver if anything for a season. That needs to known.


Absolutely do not hate Favre. No way, he is a good guy and a good QB.
I just cant watch and listen to him being lauded like the next coming of __________(insert grandness here) lol

When he has cost him team ALOT of BIG games due to his poor decision making.... its all about HIM throwing the Game Winning TD.... Aikman hands the ball off to Emmitt..... JUST TO GET THE WIN.






Please, please..... please stop.

Favre lost the games he played us in the 90's before they even played them.
And I quote "who do we play next? Oh, Dallas... pack our bags... season is over" HE HAS SAID THAT.

Romo had a season that most other Qb's dream about too... what of it?
Favre if nothing is consistent. When you need him to win that playoff game. FORGET IT!

Dallas teams in the 90s were better teams than Green Bays> No question about it. And if Dallas would have played Green Bay in 96, Dallas would have lost too. Green Bays teams were better. Constantly putting all the blame on a QB because of a TEAMs failures is beyond ridiculous. Green Bay lost to Atlanta when the only player left on offense was Favre. No WRs, No Tes, No RBs, and both tackles were out of the game. But it was all Favres fault. Green bay lost to the Rams in St Louis when they had the greatest show on turf. Nobody could stop that team. Green Bay got down early and Favre had a horrible game. IF Favre threw for 450 yards in that game, they still lose. Green Bay at Philly when GreenBay had the game won except for a horrible 4th and 26 play and Shermans 4th and 1 choke job of a call. But because of those two plays FAvre gets the blame for the pick at the end. The funny thing about that play was earleir in the game, Favre threw the exact same pass that JavonWalker went up and got and scored a TD. The 2nd time at the end of the same the same play was called and WAlker ran a different route. But I guess that is FAvres fault too. This past championship game, the Giants were a buzzsaw as the Cowboys found out earlier and the Patriots found out later. Give them credit for a great game plan. Even if Favre doesnt throw the pick, the Giants still win the game. The Packers could not move it late against the Giants. I blame Al Harris or the defensive coordinators lack of adjustments more for that game than anybody else. But like clockwork, you blame Favre.

MIck, You really don't like FAvre. He is one of the greatest Players not just QBs to ever play the game. HIstory will prove that. Your rants about him won't change.

[REDVOLUTION]

Dallas teams in the 90s were better teams than Green Bays> No question about it. And if Dallas would have played Green Bay in 96, Dallas would have lost too. Green Bays teams were better. Constantly putting all the blame on a QB because of a TEAMs failures is beyond ridiculous.

Green Bay lost to Atlanta when the only player left on offense was Favre. No WRs, No Tes, No RBs, and both tackles were out of the game. But it was all Favres fault. Green bay lost to the Rams in St Louis when they had the greatest show on turf. Nobody could stop that team. Green Bay got down early and Favre had a horrible game. IF Favre threw for 450 yards in that game, they still lose. Green Bay at Philly when GreenBay had the game won except for a horrible 4th and 26 play and Shermans 4th and 1 choke job of a call. But because of those two plays FAvre gets the blame for the pick at the end. The funny thing about that play was earleir in the game, Favre threw the exact same pass that JavonWalker went up and got and scored a TD. The 2nd time at the end of the same the same play was called and WAlker ran a different route. But I guess that is FAvres fault too. This past championship game, the Giants were a buzzsaw as the Cowboys found out earlier and the Patriots found out later. Give them credit for a great game plan. Even if Favre doesnt throw the pick, the Giants still win the game. The Packers could not move it late against the Giants. I blame Al Harris or the defensive coordinators lack of adjustments more for that game than anybody else. But like clockwork, you blame Favre.

MIck, You really don't like FAvre. He is one of the greatest Players not just QBs to ever play the game. HIstory will prove that. Your rants about him won't change.



What?


Let me get this straight. He blocked... then threw and caught the ball...... gtf outta here?!?!
:lmao2:



You telling me I dont like Favre doesnt nothing for your poor arguments. I dont dislike him at all.


Neither will your inaccuracies.

[FloridaRob]

What?


Let me get this straight. He blocked... then threw and caught the ball...... gtf outta here?!?!
:lmao2:



You telling me I dont like Favre doesnt nothing for your poor arguments. I dont dislike him at all.





What are you talking about with the running, blocking, etc. Dallas teams were better in the early 90s. No? Green Bays team in 96 was better than DAllas. No? The WRs Glenn and driver were hurt and both tackles were out of the Atlanta game, and Ahman Green was also hurt. No he didnt do it all but he should have with the group he had left to play with. But he should ahve been SuperBrett and won it in spite of the horrible talent left for him to play with that playoff game.

As opposed to your ommisions. I love how you said, "Aikman would have not have made a bad decision, he would have just turned around and handed the ball to Emmit Smith to win the game." No kidding Sherlock. The only problem wtih that is Favre never had an Emmit Smith to turn around and hand the ball to, or a HOF Michael Irvin, or a perenial pro bowl line. Would have loved to see how Aikman would have done with the Edgar Bennets, Dorsey Levens, and noname offensive line, and Antonio Freemans and Bill Schroeders of the world. Aikman played with great players as well as being great himself. Favre played with good to very good players who he made look better than they really were.

As I said, not only one of the greatest QBs ever, but one of the greatest Players EVer in the history of the game.
[/quote]

[MWILL]

actualy the quality of the player is not measured by championships. Marino is one of the best ever. How many championships does he have. If Elway would not have won Super Bowls the last two years would he have still have been considered one of the best ever. Absolutely. The championships were icing on the cake to a stellar career. Championships are more a result of the complete team and how they are playing at that time. The final stats are what defines the quality of a player. Barrry Sanders is known as one of the greatest RBs of all times. How many championships does he have. Jim Kelley has none, he was one of the greatest Ever. It just so happened his team did not measure up against the Dallas Buzzsaws of the 90s. JIm Plunkett was a nothing QB until he went to a great team. STeve Young was a nothing QB until he went to a great team. Championships are for the team. STats define the player.

Favre is one of the greatest players in the history of the game. He has the
records and the trophys to prove it.

I understand what your saying.

Championships ARE a result of a team effort.

In the past 5-6 seasons Farve has not been the same in my eyes.

One of the records he's been known for is his INT's. I believe he is on top of that list now.

He has been killing GB from getting further in the playoffs from his bad decisoin making in recent years.

Farve had a good season last year, but he threw a ball that ended thier season. Their were no excuses this year for GB (and Dallas) Bret had a better team this year.

Does Bret has the records? Yes.

Is he a Hall-of-Famer? Yes.

Do I like his style of playing? No.

Despite Farve's records, retirement, & comebacks, the Packers are still going a different direction (should've done that a few years ago IMO).

That should say something. Shouldn't it?

[MWILL]

They dont want to. Its blind unadulterated homerism.
I am the BIGGEST T.O. HOMER on the site and I STILL call him out for the negative. It can be done.

Rogers is not better. But they also dont know what he can deliver if anything for a season. That needs to known.


Absolutely do not hate Favre. No way, he is a good guy and a good QB.
I just cant watch and listen to him being lauded like the next coming of __________(insert grandness here) lol

When he has cost him team ALOT of BIG games due to his poor decision making.... its all about HIM throwing the Game Winning TD.... Aikman hands the ball off to Emmitt..... JUST TO GET THE WIN.



I feel the same way about Farve too. :starspin

[REDVOLUTION]

As opposed to your ommisions. I love how you said, "Aikman would have not have made a bad decision, he would have just turned around and handed the ball to Emmit Smith to win the game." No kidding Sherlock. The only problem wtih that is Favre never had an Emmit Smith to turn around and hand the ball to, or a HOF Michael Irvin, or a perenial pro bowl line. Would have loved to see how Aikman would have done with the Edgar Bennets, Dorsey Levens, and noname offensive line, and Antonio Freemans and Bill Schroeders of the world. Aikman played with great players as well as being great himself. Favre played with good to very good players who he made look better than they really were.

As I said, not only one of the greatest QBs ever, but one of the greatest Players EVer in the history of the game.
[/quote]




:laugh2:

Stop with the:

"Favre was the only great player on the team"
"he didnt have any help"
"he left his superman cape at home for certain games", please.

Plenty of championships have been won with lesser QB's(making better decisions than Favre) and lesser supporting casts.

[FloridaRob]

:laugh2:

Stop with the:

"Favre was the only great player on the team"
"he didnt have any help"
"he left his superman cape at home for certain games", please.

Plenty of championships have been won with lesser QB's(making better decisions than Favre) and lesser supporting casts.[/quote]

well, in fact he was the only GREAT player on the team. Please point to the other possible HOF fame players he had on offense.

He didn't have a lot of help in a lot of games, what is your point?

He NEVER left his Superman cape at home for any game, but even Superman lost a few battles.

Plenty of championships are won with lesser QBs. I agree. The Dilfers of the world support that. But none of the teams you speak of were QB driven as the Packers teams have been since Favre has been there. Ron Wolf used to decribe the Packers offense as a QB driven system. Looking back at those lesser Qbs you speak of that have won championships---those teams were great defensive or great running games. Please show me a team in NFL history that has a QB driven Offensive scheme similar to the Packers, that had a lesser QB and won. I don't see one....

[REDVOLUTION]

The "Favre" Wars :lmao2:

[peplaw06]

he's not in my top 10... He wasn't even the best QB in the game while he was playing.....:rolleyes:I'll take this as the white flag on the statistical argument.

http://media.g4tv.com/images/blog/2007/12/06/633325462873135493.jpg

[peplaw06]

if i were management and at the end of the last 2-3 years i had to wait for favre to go on a sabbatical to see if he could go another year, i'd get tired of it. hostage may be harsh, but geez dude...chit or get. i'm not sure why he can't make up his mind but he seems to cry out if the spotlight isn't on him.

this has nothing to do with him the player. he's a 1st ballot HOF easy. now if they had a whiner-boy-HOF he'd be in the running for that at this rate as well.

i think green bay had enough and if favre wants to come back as a backup, good. i'm on the management side of this cause favre needs to stop the drama-fest every year. he's now gunning KISS for the most times any major celebrity can retire from their chosen field and just be kidding.

i don't think green bay should be forced into a trade OR making him the starter if they've spent all this time getting aaron rogers up and going FINALLY. i hope they don't cave into the great favre who seems to be relying on his rep and history to get his way.

he never could make up his mind on the field and made crap up as he went and now he can't make up his mind off the field either.

favre is one of the greatest to play the game. he's also one of the biggest prima donnas and i'm just tired of favre-TV.It's just as simple for Green Bay. If they want him back, bring him back. If they don't, then they can release or trade him.

I can't for the life of me figure out why they DON'T want him. But hey, it's their team. I'll assume they have a valid reason for not wanting him. Why not trade the guy, then? Last month he was retired... meaning GB was getting nothing for his services, and he was gone. Now they could possibly get something for the guy, when they clearly don't want him? No brainer right?

And they can pick the team he goes to, to boot. Trade him to Kansas City for a 4th rounder. They get a draft pick they wouldn't have otherwise, and they don't have to face him twice a year, and not likely to face him in the playoffs.

But no Green Bay is being stubborn. Brett was stubborn and indecisive, so they're returning the favor. Makes everyone look like a bunch of children.

They don't want him, but they don't want him playing elsewhere. Who's holding who hostage again?

[iceberg]

It's just as simple for Green Bay. If they want him back, bring him back. If they don't, then they can release or trade him.

I can't for the life of me figure out why they DON'T want him. But hey, it's their team. I'll assume they have a valid reason for not wanting him. Why not trade the guy, then? Last month he was retired... meaning GB was getting nothing for his services, and he was gone. Now they could possibly get something for the guy, when they clearly don't want him? No brainer right?

And they can pick the team he goes to, to boot. Trade him to Kansas City for a 4th rounder. They get a draft pick they wouldn't have otherwise, and they don't have to face him twice a year, and not likely to face him in the playoffs.

But no Green Bay is being stubborn. Brett was stubborn and indecisive, so they're returning the favor. Makes everyone look like a bunch of children.

They don't want him, but they don't want him playing elsewhere. Who's holding who hostage again?

who signed that contract to begin with?

[peplaw06]

who signed that contract to begin with?The Packers and Favre.

[FloridaRob]

they have not said they would not trade him, only they would not release him the reason they do not want him back is because all the offseason work done, they have tweaked the offense to use more of Aaron Rodgers skills. Rodgers has not missed any OTAs, has been in Green bay, having weekly get together with his teammates at his house. Over the past few years, Favre has been off to himself, not associating with many of his teamates (big age difference) and I think once the team moved on (with his retirement and subsequent possible unretirement) they decided it would be unfair to Aaron Rodgers. And they can say he can come back all they want but the Packers will not have FAvre come back and play QB again. Not as a starter and not as a backup.

To bring back Favre now after the whole offseason of getting Rodgers ready to play, they would lose Rodgers as a leader. And who could blame him.

After watching the interview on Gretas show, it looks like Christie Brinkley has a better chance of reconciling with her ex husband Cook than Brett has of reconciling with the Packers. Sad ending for sure....

If Minny wants him, tell them to send the Packers Adrian Peterson and it is a done deal.

[MWILL]

:laugh2:

Stop with the:

"Favre was the only great player on the team"
"he didnt have any help"
"he left his superman cape at home for certain games", please.

Plenty of championships have been won with lesser QB's(making better decisions than Favre) and lesser supporting casts.

well, in fact he was the only GREAT player on the team. Please point to the other possible HOF fame players he had on offense.

He didn't have a lot of help in a lot of games, what is your point?

He NEVER left his Superman cape at home for any game, but even Superman lost a few battles.

Plenty of championships are won with lesser QBs. I agree. The Dilfers of the world support that. But none of the teams you speak of were QB driven as the Packers teams have been since Favre has been there. Ron Wolf used to decribe the Packers offense as a QB driven system. Looking back at those lesser Qbs you speak of that have won championships---those teams were great defensive or great running games. Please show me a team in NFL history that has a QB driven Offensive scheme similar to the Packers, that had a lesser QB and won. I don't see one....[/quote]

These excuses for Farve needs to stop. :banghead:

I've seen two teams that had a bunch of nobodys one year, then win the SB the next. The Ravens & Rams

Two teams that started that thier (soon to be S.B.) seasons with no Hall-of-Famers & no true stars.

Kurt wasn't Kurt, Faulk wasn't Faulk, Holt wasn't Holt, Reed wasn't Reed, Lewis wasn't Lewis....etc..

Their careers were made during their S.B. runs.

In 2007 I felt GB was in that same mold of those two teams (with the exception of some FA pickups) that would surprise some teams.

RB Grant was coming on, you had WR's that can get the job done.
The "D" was improved and you have a HOF QB.

All Bret had to do is not mess it up and guess what....he did.
Trent Dilfer & Kurt Warner didn't mess their chances up. Both not HOF QB's either.

Bret had weapons: Bubba Franks, A. Freeman, Good "O" Line, A. Green.
if you can't score with these guys on your team......you won't win.

You say it was a QB driven scheme. Well if you had a QB that likes to take too many risks on the field, you would think the coaching staff would change that scheme years ago....or maybe they did and Bret didn't listen. Who knows?


:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

[iceberg]

The Packers and Favre.

and he's being held hostage by being asked to do what he said he'd do or is he being a whinerboy because he's not getting his way?

[peplaw06]

and he's being held hostage by being asked to do what he said he'd do or is he being a whinerboy because he's not getting his way?Again, I never said I liked Favre's actions. But Green Bay management is being just as childish as he is. Therefore, I don't feel sorry for them.

If Favre is expected to be held to what he said he was going to do, then Green Bay better pay him his $13 million, whether or not they want him back. He petitions for reinstatement, Green Bay has his rights, they better pay him. Sounds like they'd rather pay him $13 million and make him sit behind Aaron Rodgers out of spite, than get something for him and get rid of that salary. Makes a lot of cap management sense, doesn't it?

[iceberg]

Again, I never said I liked Favre's actions. But Green Bay management is being just as childish as he is. Therefore, I don't feel sorry for them.

If Favre is expected to be held to what he said he was going to do, then Green Bay better pay him his $13 million, whether or not they want him back. He petitions for reinstatement, Green Bay has his rights, they better pay him. Sounds like they'd rather pay him $13 million and make him sit behind Aaron Rodgers out of spite, than get something for him and get rid of that salary. Makes a lot of cap management sense, doesn't it?

none of this makes any sense. but if a team were to allow a player to "retire" for the summer and come back and go team shopping, what control does a team have over their players in the end?

i fully admit i'm going to be jaded in this cause i hate the prima donna attitude favre is going through. play, don't play. retire, don't retire. for whatever reason he's grown to be one of the biggest attention whores in the league and i'm just sick of him and want him to shut up and do something NOT on my tv.

by "hostage" favre would do that to a degree with his whole "can i go on" he'd pull at the end of every year so he could schedule a press conference (ie, LOOK AT ME!!!) and say yes, madden, i'll make you happy for another year. that's a dramafied statement, yes. i don't think he let it roll to where the team couldn't adequately plan one way or another, no. that would be self-serving of my own views to say that.

but at this point i see no reason why green bay should just bow down to the great favre and give the child the candy he's asking for. we all railed on TO when he wanted to go to another team and get out of his contract, and TO was an evil man for doing that. favre however, can pretty much beat up a boy scout AND the old lady he's helping across the street and still be a good guy.

so at this point if anyone can dig up the video of favre getting slammed well after the play by *i think* a chicago bears player, that would make my day.

[peplaw06]

none of this makes any sense. but if a team were to allow a player to "retire" for the summer and come back and go team shopping, what control does a team have over their players in the end?Simple... they don't have a lot of control. It's just like if someone under contract intends to force a trade or hold out. They can do that without actually retiring. And in the end, it's the same scenario. The team can also cut a guy without paying him what they agreed to in the contract.

That's now the state of the NFL with the way contracts are allowed to be done. If the team or the players don't like it, then they need to address it at the CBA meetings.

i fully admit i'm going to be jaded in this cause i hate the prima donna attitude favre is going through. play, don't play. retire, don't retire. for whatever reason he's grown to be one of the biggest attention whores in the league and i'm just sick of him and want him to shut up and do something NOT on my tv.

by "hostage" favre would do that to a degree with his whole "can i go on" he'd pull at the end of every year so he could schedule a press conference (ie, LOOK AT ME!!!) and say yes, madden, i'll make you happy for another year. that's a dramafied statement, yes. i don't think he let it roll to where the team couldn't adequately plan one way or another, no. that would be self-serving of my own views to say that.We're in agreement here. I just don't absolve the team of the part they're playing in all of this.

but at this point i see no reason why green bay should just bow down to the great favre and give the child the candy he's asking for. we all railed on TO when he wanted to go to another team and get out of his contract, and TO was an evil man for doing that. favre however, can pretty much beat up a boy scout AND the old lady he's helping across the street and still be a good guy.I don't equate the Packers organization to boy scouts or old ladies. And no, I didn't like what TO did either. But I hate the Eagles, so I didn't exactly think he was evil. He was a scary dude when he was on the other side.

so at this point if anyone can dig up the video of favre getting slammed well after the play by *i think* a chicago bears player, that would make my day.With the state of NFL contracts, I don't blame any player for doing what they feel is necessary to do their business and look out for their best interests. It's a business.

I also believe what Favre said about feeling like Green Bay was forcing him to make a quick decision this offseason, and he felt like his hand was forced. I think this whole thing is a big mess too, just don't believe that one side is fully to blame.

[iceberg]

i understand where you're coming from pep. i just don't see green bay management doing the LOOK AT ME at the end of every year. as for "forcing a quick decision" i don't think a yearly pilgramage to the alter of inner strength and self realization he's done for the last 3-4 years to be quick.

maybe they just got tired of the game and moved on. should they let favre go? maybe. maybe it is spite to hold on and force something else.

like i said before - if i were management, i'd tire of the "can i go on" questions as the end of every year. hard to plan long term when your golden boy plays that card every year. maybe cutting him would just end the drama but cutting an icon is a PR hit as well. giving him what he wants? i'd not do it just because i'm a stubborn spud and don't want to allow anyone after him to do that w/o seeing i won't just give into demands.

like parcells at the end of the last few years - "can i go on?" it gets old. if you don't know sit down till you figure it out. i put ellis in to the "shut up and play" category also. his drama is self-serving and whiney.

how long is "long enough" and if you need to prep your franchise for the future how long do you need "if" favre were to decide say NOW he didn't want to play anymore.

i see more the management side of this having to deal with a "malcontent" (for lack of a better word right now) and just wanting to move on past the beauty pageant without building a rep you can come and go as you please.

however i do agree that's the nature of the game today by contract, so it's a game on and off the field, i suppose. maybe this is why my overall "love" for football has waned over the years.

[FloridaRob]

rumor here in Fla is that Favre was having dinner with Bruce Allen, GM of the Bucs, last night. REportedly a trade is in the works for Favre to go to Tampa for Chris Sims and a 2nd round pick.

Stay tuned. No link!!!

[ABQCOWBOY]

rumor here in Fla is that Favre was having dinner with Bruce Allen, GM of the Bucs, last night. REportedly a trade is in the works for Favre to go to Tampa for Chris Sims and a 2nd round pick.

Stay tuned. No link!!!

Well, that would make sense. Gruden has history with Favre. He was in Green Bay in the early 90s and he runs a WCO, which would fit Favre. I could see it happening in Tampa Bay. It's a very short hop from Tampa to Guflport Ms., which is where I believe Favre lives. That's maybe an hour and a half flight, if that. Tampa has a ton of cap space, if I'm not mistaken.

This could be a rumor that has some legs.

[REDVOLUTION]

they have not said they would not trade him, only they would not release him the reason they do not want him back is because all the offseason work done, they have tweaked the offense to use more of Aaron Rodgers skills. Rodgers has not missed any OTAs, has been in Green bay, having weekly get together with his teammates at his house.

I dont believe they are that far ahead in preparing for Rodgers at QB. Thats now why they dont want him back.




All Bret had to do is not mess it up and guess what....he did.
Trent Dilfer & Kurt Warner didn't mess their chances up. Both not HOF QB's either.

Bret had weapons: Bubba Franks, A. Freeman, Good "O" Line, A. Green.
if you can't score with these guys on your team......you won't win.

You say it was a QB driven scheme. Well if you had a QB that likes to take too many risks on the field, you would think the coaching staff would change that scheme years ago....or maybe they did and Bret didn't listen. Who knows?


That is the essence of my argument about Brett and his shortcomings.

The last part is very possible.... how many times did Holmgren have that look on his face after Brett threw an INT? (he was probably supposed to hand off or something)



rumor here in Fla is that Favre was having dinner with Bruce Allen, GM of the Bucs, last night. REportedly a trade is in the works for Favre to go to Tampa for Chris Sims and a 2nd round pick.

Stay tuned. No link!!!


Interesting.... I dont see it though.