ESPN - Favre can come back not guaranteed starting job

[REDVOLUTION]

Thank you. Thank you.

I said this when he retired... why he retired.

Too easy to figure out if you ask me.

[Cochese]

You think the Packers brass is sick of watching Bretty boy tank every playoff game?

[DisabledMess]

Aaron Rodgers is better than him.

[utrunner07]

Aaron Rodgers is better than him.

really? how many full games has Rodgers even played? better yet how many quarters has rodgers played? yeah, not many at all. did you even watch Favre last year? I doubt it...

[utrunner07]

You think the Packers brass is sick of watching Bretty boy tank every playoff game?

:rolleyes:

[Cochese]

:rolleyes:

What? You got something to say, then say it.

[DisabledMess]

really? how many full games has Rodgers even played? better yet how many quarters has rodgers played? yeah, not many at all. did you even watch Favre last year? I doubt it...

Maybe you're right but Favre makes too many mistakes. He made them his whole career. I'm still stunned that he actually won a Super Bowl.

[Cochese]

Maybe you're right but Favre makes too many mistakes. He made them his whole career. I'm still stunned that he actually won a Super Bowl.

Thanks to Desmond "Hester" Howard.

[utrunner07]

What? You got something to say, then say it.


No one that has watched Favre for an extended period of time would think that Favre is not solid in the playoffs....

if you think Favre should just retire now, fine, I might agree with you...but to call him out on his playoff record or his abilities is absolutely ridiculous and ignorant.

[Cochese]

No one that has watched Favre for an extended period of time would think that Favre is not solid in the playoffs....

if you think Favre should just retire now, fine, I might agree with you...but to call him out on his playoff record or his abilities is absolutely ridiculous and ignorant.

An extended period of time, you mean like the last 10 years? Im talking about those amazing passes to Dawkins and Webster in OVERTIME, the 6 INT games, the 4 INT games and more.


Combined stats the past 10 years in the playoffs - 3-6 record, 16 TD, 18 INT

All hail lord Farve.

[utrunner07]

Maybe you're right but Favre makes too many mistakes. He made them his whole career. I'm still stunned that he actually won a Super Bowl.

Well he has won a super bowl, believe it or not. And he actually has a better TD-Int ratio than Troy Aikman...don't just repeat what you have heard...Favre makes no more mistakes than some other great QBs.

[Cochese]

Well he has won a super bowl, believe it or not. And he actually has a better TD-Int ratio than Troy Aikman...don't just repeat what you have heard...Favre makes no more mistakes than some other great QBs.

LOL, how many other greats have had a 6 INT playoff game?

[utrunner07]

LOL, how many other greats have had a 6 INT playoff game?
Good idea! Judge a QB who has played in over 250 games on a single game! Brilliant...

[Cochese]

Good idea! Judge a QB who has played in over 250 games on a single game! Brilliant...

Uh no, I actually made it pretty clear that Im judging him on 10 years of ineptitude in the playoffs, a post which you conveniently diddnt respond to.

[REDVOLUTION]

No one that has watched Favre for an extended period of time would think that Favre is not solid in the playoffs....
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Favre is tied for 1st place with 28 career playoff interceptions Jim Kelly (Kelly has 28).(Terry Bradshaw also has 26On January 20th, 2008 versus the New York Football Giants, Favre completes a pass early in the 4th quarter to Robert McQuarters, cornerback for the Giants. McQuarters then promptly fumbles the ball back to the Packers helping to spare Favre from further humiliation. Then on the second play in overtime, Lorenzo shows his true skills and completes a pass to Corey Webster, cornerback for the Giants, tying the career playoff interception mark of 28, and sealing his team’s fate to go home with yet another loss in the playoffs.



This is from a Dec 2005 article.

After the Super Bowl loss to the Broncos, Favre had a 9-4 post-season record and he had thrown for 3,098 yards and 23 touchdowns with 10 interceptions in those games. His passer rating of 92.0 was 2.7 points higher than his career regular-season rating.
Eight years later, his post-season record has fallen to 11-9 and his passer rating has dropped to 84.0. He has thrown 11 touchdown passes and 16 interceptions

So what is the win loss record now and what is the TD/INT ratio now... in the playoffs?



if you think Favre should just retire now, fine, I might agree with you...but to call him out on his playoff record or his abilities is absolutely ridiculous and ignorant

This could be taken as ignorant too.

[gbrittain]

Aaron Rodgers is better than him.

Really? And you know this how?

Is it the 59 passes he has thrown in his career or maybe the single TD pass he has thrown in his career?

I can understand wanting to move to the future, but I would not say Rodgers is better than him unless of course you have psychic abilities that you have not told us about yet.;)

[Cochese]

Really? And you know this how?



Rogers looked pretty good against us after Farve did his playoff performance impression.

[utrunner07]

Uh no, I actually made it pretty clear that Im judging him on 10 years of ineptitude in the playoffs, a post which you conveniently diddnt respond to.


Why just look at the last ten years? Because its easier for you to manipulate the stats like that. Its not all about the stats, they can be EASILY skewed....lets see Troy Aikman's last five years...
10TD - 13INT, 4-4.

Man Troy Aikman was terrible in the playoffs.

[utrunner07]

Rogers looked pretty good against us after Farve did his playoff performance impression.
:rolleyes: you will find after you watch a few more games that is not uncommon for a back up with some experience to come in and look good when a defense has game planned for a certain style QB and has to adjust to a completely new style.

[Cochese]

Why just look at the last ten years? Because its easier for you to manipulate the stats like that. Its not all about the stats, they can be EASILY skewed....lets see Troy Aikman's last five years...
10TD - 13INT, 4-4.

Really? I dont think the stats skew anything about a 6 INT game, a 4 INT game and two completely boneheaded interceptions in playoff overtime, but thats just me.

[gbrittain]

Rogers looked pretty good against us after Farve did his playoff performance impression.

Julius had a few good games too, which is more than a half.

We all know how that worked out.

[utrunner07]

Really? I dont think the stats skew anything about a 6 INT game, a 4 INT game and two completely boneheaded interceptions in playoff overtime, but thats just me.

So Aikman's last five years shows he was no good in the playoffs? Shoot in his last three playoff games Aikman was 2TD and 7 INT....AWFUL...why did we even want him around?

[Cochese]

So Aikman was terrible in the playoffs?

This is going nowhere.

3 time Champion, Super Bowl MVP.

Im also going to say that Cowboy fandom has reached a low when you are trying to belittle the accomplishments of an all time legend, who's playoff performances paved the way for THREE championships in order to prop up a lousy Green Bay Packer. Well done.

[utrunner07]

This is going nowhere.

3 time Champion, Super Bowl MVP.


No it is actually going somewhere just not where you want it to go...

1 time Champion, 3 time NFL MVP, (should have won another SB based soley on his performance)...also you will never be able to argue that the Packers team Favre was on were anywhere near the talent levels of Aikman's teams....

So yes this is going some where and yes you are wrong that Packer's "brass" are tired of watching Favre tank playoff games...

[FloridaRob]

Favre gets the ultimate blame for the playoff but if the team had been a little bit better then they could have won it without him having to do it by himself. People like to point to the Philly game in the playoffs but if the defense doesnt give up a 4th and 26 or if Sherman goes for it on 4th and inches, and other games there are other scenarios that left it all up for FAvre. In this past championship game, if Al harris wasnt schooled by Plaxico Burress in the art of catching a pass, then the team would have not left it all up to him.

Criticize him all you want (Mick) but in his career he NEVER played with a HOF offensive player. Can you say that about Aikman, Montana, YOung, etc. Would or could that have a made a differerence. I think so. So the responsibilty was his to pick up lesser players and make them very good. He did that time and time again. It would have been nice if he could have played with great players and HOF players like the other great Qbs have had the priviledge.

[Woods]

Let's get serious.

Favre was a great QB.

I have to admit, though, I am tired of the press fawning all over him.

Also, though Favre played well last year, I'm not sure how much more of top quality play he has left in him. Maybe that's one reason the Packers think it's time to move on with A Rodgers . . . . Favre's best days are probably well behind him.

[utrunner07]

Im also going to say that Cowboy fandom has reached a low when you are trying to belittle the accomplishments of an all time legend, who's playoff performances paved the way for THREE championships in order to prop up a lousy Green Bay Packer. Well done.

I could have chosen almost any QB and you would find that Favre has comparable stats, its just easy to choose Aikman becuase at least I think you have some experience with how good he was...you really don't care so much about belittling Aikman's accomplishments as you do at being proven wrong at every point.

[Cochese]

I could have chosen almost any QB and you would find that Favre has comparable stats, its just easy to choose Aikman becuase at least I think you have some experience with how good he was...you really don't care so much about belittling Aikman's accomplishments as you do at being proven wrong at every point.


You havent proven anyone wrong, in fact you claimed it was 'ignorant' to say that Farve tanks it in the playoffs and I showed you a DECADE worth of proof to back it up. If anything it is YOU who has been proven wrong.

[Nav22]

Um... Favre didn't retire because the Packers told him they wanted to start Rodgers. It's an interesting take, but still entirely inaccurate.

In fact, a few weeks after he retired, Favre changed his mind and the Packers were willing to bring him back. They were preparing a press conference to announce that #4 was un-retiring.

But Favre flip-flopped yet again and said he wants to stay retired. So the team moved forward, named Rodgers the starter, and drafted 2 QBs in the draft.

[Cochese]

1998 - Loss - 2 TD, 2 INT, 79.7 rating
1999 - No playoffs
2000 - No playoffs
2001 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 4 TD, 7 INT, 67.0 rating
2002 - Loss - 1 TD, 2 INT, 54.4 rating
2003 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 3 TD, 1 INT, 94.2 - Hey, Dawkins is WIDE open!!
2004 - Loss - 1 TD, 4 INT, 55.4 rating
2005 - No playoffs
2006 - No playoffs
2007 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 5 TD, 2 INT- Awesome pass to Corey Webster.

[utrunner07]

You havent proven anyone wrong, in fact you claimed it was 'ignorant' to say that Farve tanks it in the playoffs and I showed you a DECADE worth of proof to back it up. If anything it is YOU who has been proven wrong.

No, I am pretty sure by this point you know you were wrong. Favre had bad playoff games, so did Aikman, Young, Manning, Montana, Namath, Bradshaw, Ellway...(you get the point?)...also in your two games that you are holding onto so desperately, why don't you go back and look at a couple of those interceptions, you will find more than a couple were simply desperation picks at the end of the half/game...and if you wan't to look at his stats (which can do not show everything) at least look at his carear playoff stats instead of his last ten years....you've seen what happens when you do the same with Aikman and it aint pretty....so yes you are wrong and you can argue till you are 97 but it is not going to change the fact that you are wrong...

[utrunner07]

1998 - Loss - 2 TD, 2 INT, 79.7 rating
1999 - No playoffs
2000 - No playoffs
2001 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 4 TD, 7 INT, 67.0 rating
2002 - Loss - 1 TD, 2 INT, 54.4 rating
2003 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 3 TD, 1 INT, 94.2 - Hey, Dawkins is WIDE open!!
2004 - Loss - 1 TD, 4 INT, 55.4 rating
2005 - No playoffs
2006 - No playoffs
2007 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 5 TD, 2 INT- Awesome pass to Corey Webster.

sigh...we have been over this...what you thought if you typed it out like this it would make you right? No...does not work that way.

[Cochese]

sigh...we have been over this...what you thought if you typed it out like this it would make you right? No...does not work that way.

Lets see some support for what you are saying besides your opinion. You say I am wrong? PROVE IT! I am talking about Brett Favre, not Elway, Aikman, Montana, Young or ANYONE ELSE!

Ive given you a decades worth of bad performances and all you can do is tell me im wrong. Its a joke.

[utrunner07]

Lets see some support for what you are saying besides your opinion. You say I am wrong? PROVE IT! I am talking about Brett Favre, not Elway, Aikman, Montana, Young or ANYONE ELSE!

Prove it? Ok...Favre was great in the playoff! He was 39TD and 28INT, with MOST of those INTs comming in a couple of bad games that if you take out make him 36 TD and 18 INT...pretty dang good! Plus a super bowl and almost winning another....

then add onto that the level of talent around him (which was never up to his level)...he is one of the most solid playoff guys of all time!!!!
Proven.

(BTW it is truly ridiculous and meaningless to say someone is good with out comparing them to their competitors)

[Cochese]

Prove it? Ok...Favre was great in the playoff! He was 39TD and 28INT, with MOST of those INTs comming in a couple of bad games that if you take out make him 36 TD and 18 INT...pretty dang good! Plus a super bowl and almost winning another....

then add onto that the level of talent around him (which was never up to his level)...he is one of the most solid playoff guys of all time!!!!
Proven.

You can just take away 10 interceptions!! You dont get mulligans on bad games in the playoffs!! Of all the stupid ****.....

[utrunner07]

You can just take away 10 interceptions!! You dont get mulligans on bad games in the playoffs!! Of all the stupid ****.....

Lol, you are such a HYPOCRITE! YOUR ENTIRE PREMISE OF YOUR STATS WAS REMOVING HIS GREAT YEARS IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!! All I did was remove his two bad ones!!!!! (if you will notice I took out the 3 Tds from those games too)

You want to look at his entire career? Fine by me. but that is NOT what you were doing in looking at the last half of his career.

[Cochese]

Lol, you are such a HYPOCRITE! YOUR ENTIRE PREMISE OF YOUR STATS WAS REMOVING HIS GREAT YEARS IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!! All I did was remove his two bad ones!!!!! (if you will notice I took out the 3 Tds from those games too)

Can you even read? I said the Packers brass must be sick of watching Brett tank it in the playoffs, and gave a decades worth of evidence of him tanking it in the playoffs as proof. Anything else, you created.

Farve WAS great...in the 90's...

[utrunner07]

Can you even read? I said the Packers brass must be sick of watching Brett tank it in the playoffs, and gave a decades worth of evidence of him tanking it in the playoffs as proof. Anything else, you created.

Farve WAS great...in the 90's...

I can read.

Favre was 5TD and 2 INT in the playoffs this past year, and lost by a field goal playing on a very watered down offensive unit, pretty sure thats not tanking it.

[Cochese]

I can read.

Favre was 5TD and 2 INT in the playoffs this past year, and lost by a field goal playing on a very weak offensive unit, pretty sure thats not tanking it.

Lost by a field goal because he PASSED THE BALL DIRECTLY TO COREY WEBSTER!

[Cochese]

http://archive.profootballtalk.com/FavreThrow.jpg

[utrunner07]

Lost by a field goal because he PASSED THE BALL DIRECTLY TO COREY WEBSTER!

And one interception equates to tanking the playoffs? No, especially considering the team he was on.

I can gurantee you the reason the packers do not want favre back has nothing to do with him "tanking the playoffs".

Im done arguing with you, you go from one thing to another and every time it becomes obvious you are wrong you move on to something else, tiresome...just no you are wrong...that is enough.

[Kangaroo]

Maybe you're right but Favre makes too many mistakes. He made them his whole career. I'm still stunned that he actually won a Super Bowl.

He also played against dead slow that made a lot of stupid mistakes

Two reason why they won they had a running game and special team Farve only threw the ball 27 times 14/27 (that is only 51%) but he had no picks and 2 tds

He also ran a td in

Bledsoe threw it 48 times 25/48 had 2 td's but the picks where awful 4 yes some where trying to come back but he had two picks that where down right stupid he threw long and threw the ball to the inside of the sideline instead of over the top and to the outside shoulder of the wr

I also thought NE got away from the run to quickly when the kick when they let Greenbay go off in the 2nd qtr

[Cochese]

And one interception equates to tanking the playoffs? No, especially considering the team he was on.





No, 10 years of awful performances does!

Yea, poor Brett and his 13-3 Packers. No talent on that team.

[utrunner07]

No, 10 years of awful performances does!

Yea, poor Brett and his 13-3 Packers. No talent on that team.

"Im done arguing with you, you go from one thing to another and every time it becomes obvious you are wrong you move on to something else, "

case and point.

[Cochese]

He also played against dead slow that made a lot of stupid mistakes

Two reason why they won they had a running game and special team Farve only threw the ball 27 times 14/27 (that is only 51%) but he had no picks and 2 tds

He also ran a td in

Bledsoe threw it 48 times 25/48 had 2 td's but the picks where awful 4 yes some where trying to come back but he had two picks that where down right stupid he threw long and threw the ball to the inside of the sideline instead of over the top and to the outside shoulder of the wr

I also thought NE got away from the run to quickly when the kick when they let Greenbay go off in the 2nd qtr

Desmond Howard was flat out awesome that game. I wonder if he is on Bretts christmas card list?

[Cochese]

"Im done arguing with you, you go from one thing to another and every time it becomes obvious you are wrong you move on to something else, "

case and point.

Aww, I thought you were done! Obviously not.

[Kangaroo]

Desmond Howard was flat out awesome that game. I wonder if he is on Bretts christmas card list?

No argument there he had the single biggest impact by a special team player that I ever seen in a SuperBowl

[REDVOLUTION]

1998 - Loss - 2 TD, 2 INT, 79.7 rating
1999 - No playoffs
2000 - No playoffs
2001 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 4 TD, 7 INT, 67.0 rating
2002 - Loss - 1 TD, 2 INT, 54.4 rating
2003 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 3 TD, 1 INT, 94.2 - Hey, Dawkins is WIDE open!!
2004 - Loss - 1 TD, 4 INT, 55.4 rating
2005 - No playoffs
2006 - No playoffs
2007 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 5 TD, 2 INT- Awesome pass to Corey Webster.

12 TD
17 INT

Wow... in 3 of 6 playoff seasons he throws more INT's than TD's - for some thats a please disregard - WOW:rolleyes:




sigh...we have been over this...what you thought if you typed it out like this it would make you right? No...does not work that way.

Ok. Facts to prove a point dont work anymore... is that as of 2008? lmao


Lost by a field goal because he PASSED THE BALL DIRECTLY TO COREY WEBSTER!

Didnt he also hit McQuarters right in the numbers too!?!?



No, 10 years of awful performances does!

Yea, poor Brett and his 13-3 Packers. No talent on that team.

And I quote Brett Favre, "This the probably the MOST TALENTED team I have ever been on"

[CrazyCowboy]

Farve knows a thing or two about playing in the playoffs

[MichaelWinicki]

I think Farve is just another "It's all about me" player.

[CATCH17]

Brett Favre is one of the best Quarterbacks to ever play the game and he is still playing at a high level.

Put it like this...

If the Vikings get Favre they will win the division. If the Packers have Favre they will win the division.

[Sarge]

Aaron Rodgers is better than him.

............:rolleyes:

[Sarge]

Uh no, I actually made it pretty clear that Im judging him on 10 years of ineptitude in the playoffs, a post which you conveniently diddnt respond to.

So, you're not basing it on his all-time passing yards? Care to guess where he stands in the area?

[Kilyin]

since it's relevant to this thread too...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2143403&postcount=96

[Cochese]

So, you're not basing it on his all-time passing yards? Care to guess where he stands in the area?

How predictably tiresome.

This doesnt change the fact that he has been blowing it in huge games for the last decade...

NEXT.

[dogunwo]

Rogers looked pretty good against us after Farve did his playoff performance impression.
John freaking Kitna looked good against us last year.

[dogunwo]

Prove it? Ok...Favre was great in the playoff! He was 39TD and 28INT, with MOST of those INTs comming in a couple of bad games that if you take out make him 36 TD and 18 INT...pretty dang good! Plus a super bowl and almost winning another....

then add onto that the level of talent around him (which was never up to his level)...he is one of the most solid playoff guys of all time!!!!
Proven.

(BTW it is truly ridiculous and meaningless to say someone is good with out comparing them to their competitors)
I cannot stand it when people take out one play or stat line to make their point stronger. If you are going to take out the "worst" performance, than you have to take out the "best" one too, if you are going to chalk it up as an anomaly.

Same thing people did with Julius 77yd run against the Saints. Its part of the average, get over it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would tell Favre that he can find a trade partner in the AFC for at least a second rounder or he can come back and compete with Rodgers. They dont owe him a damn thing and they certainly dont need to just let him run off and improve a team in their own conference much less division.

[gbrittain]

In 16 years Brett Favre led the Packers to one Super Bowl victory and another Super Bowl defeat.

11 Playoff appearances.

4 Conference title games.

Lets see what happens in the post-Favre era.

I mean when Dallas lost Aikman, it was a breeze to replace him and the success we had.

Aarond Rodgers is going to have to be pretty good to "suck" the way Favre has.

[switzersflask]

Brett Favre is one of the best Quarterbacks to ever play the game and he is still playing at a high level.

Put it like this...

If the Vikings get Favre they will win the division. If the Packers have Favre they will win the division.

Captain Obvious here.

[REDVOLUTION]

I cannot stand it when people take out one play or stat line to make their point stronger.


How about when the SAME people ignore 3+ posts in a small 2 page thread showing the ineffective of said Deity?

:laugh2:

[utrunner07]

I cannot stand it when people take out one play or stat line to make their point stronger.

I did what he was doing, taking out the good years and just looking at the bad...I agree with you, you have to look at his whole career...just trying to make a point....

he did not get it...