Ok it's that time again...

[jem88]

Music suggestions are needed. Been busy and not had time to uncover new stuff lately. I have listened to the new Beck, which sounds great as well as the most recent Black Keys. But other than that, not much new.

Abersonc, I'm looking at you buddy....


BTW, picked up Jane's Addiction Ritual De Lo Habitual on vinyl today. Great buy! And am now listening to Flowers of Guatemala by REM. Great song with a great guitar spare guitar solo!

[ninja]

The new music today stinks. Stick with the Beatles, Stones, Zep, Who, Eagles, Creedence Clearwater, Doobie Bros, Skynyrd, etc.

Glad to see you are still around. Long time no see.:)

[irvin88]

Kid Rock's "Rock n' Roll " is pretty solid.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Here are 4 of my playlists. You might have to go into each one to see the whole list for each.

Maybe you will see something of interest.

http://www.playlist.com/playlist/user/23502748

[big dog cowboy]

The new Motley Crue just rocks the house as well as the new Judas Priest.

[Wimbo]

http://pandora.com/

[AbeBeta]

Music suggestions are needed. Been busy and not had time to uncover new stuff lately. I have listened to the new Beck, which sounds great as well as the most recent Black Keys. But other than that, not much new.

Abersonc, I'm looking at you buddy....


Let's see -- still digging Nick Cave's Dig Lazarus Dig (I celebrate his entire catalog). The new Hold Steady is out tuesday and continues a string of great work. Fleet Foxes' album and ep are very good. Getting into the new Wolf Parade and Sigur Ros. I like recent country-ish albums by Pete Molinari (I guess that is more "folk"), Hayes Carll, and Bonnie "Prince" Billy too.

I forgot to pick up the new Beck last week but plan to do that today and will check out the Black Keys.

Been listening to a ton of Tom Waits - he continues to amaze me at every turn.

Be interested to hear what folks are enjoying.

[REDVOLUTION]

Music suggestions are needed. Been busy and not had time to uncover new stuff lately. I have listened to the new Beck, which sounds great as well as the most recent Black Keys. But other than that, not much new.

Abersonc, I'm looking at you buddy....


BTW, picked up Jane's Addiction Ritual De Lo Habitual on vinyl today. Great buy! And am now listening to Flowers of Guatemala by REM. Great song with a great guitar spare guitar solo!

You gotta have that song Paralyzer. Great rockin' song.



The new music today stinks.


While I am very nostalgic in my music tastes as well.... there is good music out there today lol


The new Motley Crue just rocks the house as well as the new Judas Priest.

Seriously?
Did they go back to their old style 80's sound? Those bands did REALLY rock at one time...

[AbeBeta]

The new music today stinks. Stick with the Beatles, Stones, Zep, Who, Eagles, Creedence Clearwater, Doobie Bros, Skynyrd, etc.

Glad to see you are still around. Long time no see.:)

There is so much great new music every year -- people need to break out of their shells and try NEW stuff.

[ninja]

There is so much great new music every year -- people need to break out of their shells and try NEW stuff.

Comparatively speaking, today's music is nothing compared to the past, imo.

Maybe it is because the times have changed. What was it about the 60's and 70's that brought out the best in music? Did Vietnam, the draft, the beginning of drug use and free love, youth rebellion, etc. affect the music so much? Today's music is lacking something. Today's culture is lacking something. Today's musicians seem to lack substance. Today's musician seems to be all about image and money.

New stuff? Such as?

[vta]

Not exactly new, but Jeff Buckley's a big favorite of mine, if you hadn't heard him. Some of the songs released after his death are great. Vancouver is a great song.

[AbeBeta]

Comparatively speaking, today's music is nothing compared to the past, imo.

Maybe it is because the times have changed. What was it about the 60's and 70's that brought out the best in music? Did Vietnam, the draft, the beginning of drug use and free love, youth rebellion, etc. affect the music so much? Today's music is lacking something. Today's culture is lacking something. Today's musicians seem to lack substance. Today's musician seems to be all about image and money.

New stuff? Such as?

Any new music will compare poorly to the past as most people see it b/c the past stuff is the distilled best of that era and the new stuff you have to work through to find the gems.

See my post earlier for good stuff that is recent

[peplaw06]

Any new music will compare poorly to the past as most people see it b/c the past stuff is the distilled best of that era and the new stuff you have to work through to find the gems.

See my post earlier for good stuff that is recentI kind of agree with both of you. There is some good music out now, but as far as great bands go... Back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, there were just some bands that transcended music, many of them are STILL touring and recording albums. I look at the bands that have surfaced in the past 10 years, and I just don't see that type of band.

But there's some Indie stuff surfacing now that is great stuff, just have a hard time believing the bands/artists will take off and be like the great bands of the past.

[theogt]

Pshaw....early 90s rock rules all.

[AbeBeta]

I kind of agree with both of you. There is some good music out now, but as far as great bands go... Back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, there were just some bands that transcended music, many of them are STILL touring and recording albums. I look at the bands that have surfaced in the past 10 years, and I just don't see that type of band.

Sure, but we recognize those bands from the 60s and 70s because they lasted and folks still listen to them (and we have an entire catalog to examine). I think it is far easier for people to keep listening to old stuff without giving the new bands the time of day - that ultimately hurts the industry.

But one thing we need to remember is that the bands who transcended mostly do so retrospectively as their legend grows. For example, I was a kid when the Clash was big - by "big" that meant that young folks would be talking about their albums and the critics loved them. But you didn't hear them much on the radio really until the end of their careers. Of course, now everyone sees them as one of the most important bands of their era.

[REDVOLUTION]

For example, I was a kid when the Clash was big - by "big" that meant that young folks would be talking about their albums and the critics loved them. But you didn't hear them much on the radio really until the end of their careers. Of course, now everyone sees them as one of the most important bands of their era.



Really?

This I did not know.

I didnt think the Clash was big then.... now.... at all.

[AbeBeta]

Really?

This I did not know.

I didnt think the Clash was big then.... now.... at all.

Are you serious?

[REDVOLUTION]

Are you serious?

They have ONE hit, right?

[vta]

They have ONE hit, right?

You can hear the Clash regularly on the radio now a days. I frequently hear Train in Vain and London Calling on the 'Classic Rock' Station and the 'Alternative Rock' station.

[AbeBeta]

They have ONE hit, right?

How many "hits" did Zeppelin have?

Here's a hint. One single broke the top 10.

[AbeBeta]

You can hear the Clash regularly on the radio now a days. I frequently hear Train in Vain and London Calling on the 'Classic Rock' Station and the 'Alternative Rock' station.

Should I Stay or Should I Go, Rock the Casbah, Magnificent Seven, Clampdown... all things I've heard on the radio recently. MIA sampled Straight to Hell heavily on her last album...

[REDVOLUTION]

How many "hits" did Zeppelin have?

Here's a hint. One single broke the top 10.



Fair enough.

But I know you are not comparing Zep to the Clash.

Not even in the same universe. Seriously.

[AbeBeta]

Fair enough.

But I know you are not comparing Zep to the Clash.

Not even in the same universe. Seriously.

As far as influence they are absolutely in the same universe. They influenced different types of music but they are absolutely in the same universe. Lyrically, the Clash absolutely destroy Plant's moronic Lord of the Ring inspired drivel.

[REDVOLUTION]

As far as influence they are absolutely in the same universe. They influenced different types of music but they are absolutely in the same universe. Lyrically, the Clash absolutely destroy Plant's moronic Lord of the Ring inspired drivel.


The Clash had the advantage of being "Punk"... a relatively small and unknown category compared the history of the ROCK category. The achieve higher status via default.


Moronic... lol

[AbeBeta]

The Clash had the advantage of being "Punk"... a relatively small and unknown category compared the history of the ROCK category. The achieve higher status via default.


Moronic... lol

Actually being "punk" is a disadvantage as the Clash's particular brand of it was informed and highly political. That pretty much takes a ton of the knucklehead fans out of the mix. But hey, those folks still had blues-stealing Zeppelin.

[ninja]

How many "hits" did Zeppelin have?

Here's a hint. One single broke the top 10.

Thanks for this piece of trivia. I did not know Zep had only one top ten song. That is amazing. Unbelievable. Learn something new every day.

[REDVOLUTION]

Actually being "punk" is a disadvantage as the Clash's particular brand of it was informed and highly political. That pretty much takes a ton of the knucklehead fans out of the mix. But hey, those folks still had blues-stealing Zeppelin.


lol

Yes, a disadvantage because we know that "any attention/controversy" is good attention :rolleyes:

Blues-stealing? lol

My friend... there really isnt any "original" material... everyone steals from someone else. You being as smart as you are... I though you would know that.

[theogt]

How many "hits" did Zeppelin have?

Here's a hint. One single broke the top 10.Apparently Stairway to Heaven was never released as a single, but is pretty much undisputed the most important rock song EVER.

[AbeBeta]

Apparently Stairway to Heaven was never released as a single, but is pretty much undisputed the most important rock song EVER.

Rolling Stone says different

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/500songs

Of course, you could make an argument for many of those top 50 songs as the best ever but that certainly plays against "undisputed"

[theogt]

Rolling Stone says different

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/500songs

Of course, you could make an argument for many of those top 50 songs as the best ever but that certainly plays against "undisputed"Wow. That's an amazingly horrible list. Seems more like the Peter King offseason lists used to just invoke chatter than anything else. Objectively ****ty.

Of course it was most likely a joke considering the first two song/bands have "Rolling Stone" in the name. "Satisfaction" the #2 greatest song of all time? Mmmm.....yes, disputed ... by idiots.

[AbeBeta]

Wow. That's an amazingly horrible list. Seems more like the Peter King offseason lists used to just invoke chatter than anything else. Objectively ****ty.

Of course it was most likely a joke considering the first two song/bands have "Rolling Stone" in the name. "Satisfaction" the #2 greatest song of all time? Mmmm.....yes, disputed ... by idiots.

That list comes from a poll of 172 musicians including Joni Mitchell and Elvis Costello. They didn't report who the other 170 were but you can't argue RS bias since they weren't doing the rating.

Do I agree totally with the list -- of course not. But it does make the point that "undisputed greatest rock song ever" is not so undisputed.

[vta]

These 'Calssic Rock' bands are products of a generation that's still influential, that's all. In the 60's, Beatles fans were probably hearing that that noise will never match Ray Noble and Glenn Miller.

No band can lay claim to being greatest ever, because people all have different tastes. Personally, if I hear another Zeppelin song, I'm going vomit. Same with most of Aerosmith, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pink Floyd.

[theogt]

That list comes from a poll of 172 musicians including Joni Mitchell and Elvis Costello. They didn't report who the other 170 were but you can't argue RS bias since they weren't doing the rating.

Do I agree totally with the list -- of course not. But it does make the point that "undisputed greatest rock song ever" is not so undisputed.It's the obvious choice, so you know the "rockers" had to be original and pick something else.

It's undisputed.

[AbeBeta]

It's the obvious choice, so you know the "rockers" had to be original and pick something else.

It's undisputed.

What do undisputed mean?

Like others, I'd be happy to never hear that song again. Musically it is great but lyrically, although better than most of Plant's words, it is a bit weak.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I always found the clash boring.

Just not my thing.

If I was going to listen to punk, it would not be the clash.

I would rather listen to the misfits or ramones if I want to listen to that genre.

Sue me....but the clash bore the heck out of me.

[AbeBeta]

I always found the clash boring.

Just not my thing.

If I was going to listen to punk, it would not be the clash.

I would rather listen to the misfits or ramones if I want to listen to that genre.

Sue me....but the clash bore the heck out of me.

Not liking them is fine.

Denying their importance like others in the thread are doing is what I find silly.

[theogt]

What do undisputed mean?

Like others, I'd be happy to never hear that song again. Musically it is great but lyrically, although better than most of Plant's words, it is a bit weak.I'm not particularly fond of it myself.

Regardless, The Clash are hardly "important."

[BrAinPaiNt]

Not liking them is fine.

Denying their importance like others in the thread are doing is what I find silly.

Sex Pistols
Misfits
Black Flag
The Ramones

I could see any of those being just as big in the genre some bigger as far as influence goes concerning punk. The biggest being the Ramones as they influenced a good deal of british punk.

Sorry...I don't care for the clash, sure they were big in the genre, sure they have influenced music. I just don't see them as being any bigger or more influential then the the other bands I listed...but that is me.

The thing that the Clash get more of was radio play compared to the others, mainly because they were more radio friendly and their style of music was not as abrasive as the others. Basically they were more commercially acceptable and in that aspect they achieved more success and in doing so I guess you could argue they helped open up punk to more and there lies the influence. However if you sit and think about it...because they were so commercial in their musical sound, because they were getting radio play on some mainstream stations...it kind of goes against what punk was all about...being non conformist and non commercial.

Just something to think about. I think they are highly overrated among the punk bands because to me they did not sound like most punk bands...they sounded more like 80's pop bands but they just had more meaningful lyrics.

Sue me.

[AbeBeta]

Regardless, The Clash are hardly "important."

Except for being one of the biggest influences on nearly every band that has followed...

[AbeBeta]

Sex Pistols
Misfits
Black Flag
The Ramones

I could see any of those being just as big in the genre some bigger as far as influence goes concerning punk. The biggest being the Ramones as they influenced a good deal of british punk.

Sorry...I don't care for the clash, sure they were big in the genre, sure they have influenced music. I just don't see them as being any bigger or more influential then the the other bands I listed...but that is me.

The thing that the Clash get more of was radio play compared to the others, mainly because they were more radio friendly and their style of music was not as abrasive as the others. Basically they were more commercially acceptable and in that aspect they achieved more success and in doing so I guess you could argue they helped open up punk to more and there lies the influence. However if you sit and think about it...because they were so commercial in their musical sound, because they were getting radio play on some mainstream stations...it kind of goes against what punk was all about...being non conformist and non commercial.

Just something to think about. I think they are highly overrated among the punk bands because to me they did not sound like most punk bands...they sounded more like 80's pop bands but they just had more meaningful lyrics.

Sue me.


Oh, I'll agree the Ramones were highly influential -- the funny thing is they are at least as "radio friendly" if not more than the Clash - especially in the U.S. as (mostly) Joey was so completely seeped in the Brill Building sound. That was a pop band if ever there was one.

Pistols -- their influence was more cultural than anything -- not that Bollocks isn't a great album. But there is only 1 album there.

Misfit and Black Flag aren't just a blip on the scene compared to the Clash. I don't really see either influencing so many other bands. They likely influenced the harder core stuff more, but they don't have the broad influence of the Clash.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Oh, I'll agree the Ramones were highly influential -- the funny thing is they are at least as "radio friendly" if not more than the Clash - especially in the U.S. as (mostly) Joey was so completely seeped in the Brill Building sound. That was a pop band if ever there was one.

Pistols -- their influence was more cultural than anything -- not that Bollocks isn't a great album. But there is only 1 album there.

Misfit and Black Flag aren't just a blip on the scene compared to the Clash. I don't really see either influencing so many other bands. They likely influenced the harder core stuff more, but they don't have the broad influence of the Clash.

Problem is...no Ramones, probably no Clash...so who would be more influential and important as an influence on punk?

If I remember correctly there were loads of wanna be punkers, who eventually got to be punkers, waiting for the Ramones when they came to London back in the day. Not sure about the clash but I do remember seeing that some members of the sex pistols even talked to the ramones and seen them as idols.

[Duane]

Not exactly new, but Jeff Buckley's a big favorite of mine, if you hadn't heard him. Some of the songs released after his death are great. Vancouver is a great song.

:hammer:

Grace is just absolutely amazing as well. I always get chills listening to it.

[AbeBeta]

Problem is...no Ramones, probably no Clash...so who would be more influential and important as an influence on punk?

If I remember correctly there were loads of wanna be punkers, who eventually got to be punkers, waiting for the Ramones when they came to London back in the day. Not sure about the clash but I do remember seeing that some members of the sex pistols even talked to the ramones and seen them as idols.

Ramones, Clash, and Sex Pistols all idolized one another -- as the story goes the guys from the Clash and Pistols snuck into that Ramones show together through a bathroom window.

I think we are talking about two different things here -- you are focus on "influence on punk" whereas I'm talking about influence on music in general.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Ramones, Clash, and Sex Pistols all idolized one another -- as the story goes the guys from the Clash and Pistols snuck into that Ramones show together through a bathroom window.

I think we are talking about two different things here -- you are focus on "influence on punk" whereas I'm talking about influence on music in general.

Influence of one to influence another, who influences another and so on.

Where would it end? To say the clash was the one who influenced so many is to not give the credit to the ones that influenced them. And if someone had a profound influence on them...should they not get the credit as well?

Either way...the clash are boring. Have nowhere near the influence as other bands before them on music.

Nowhere near the influence of say the beetles, zep, stones, black sabbath, clapton, van halen and so on or you can go back further and talk about who those groups were influenced by like a great deal of blues artists whose never got the credit they deserved at that time because they were black and america did not want to play too much black music. So many were better known overseas.

So in the grand scheme of things...meh on the clash...sure they had influence, but not to the extent of many other bands and maybe not even the most influence in their own genre.

In other words, the clash are over rated IMO.:cool:

[AbeBeta]

Influence of one to influence another, who influences another and so on.

Where would it end? To say the clash was the one who influenced so many is to not give the credit to the ones that influenced them. And if someone had a profound influence on them...should they not get the credit as well?

Either way...the clash are boring. Have nowhere near the influence as other bands before them on music.

Nowhere near the influence of say the beetles, zep, stones, black sabbath, clapton, van halen and so on or you can go back further and talk about who those groups were influenced by like a great deal of blues artists whose never got the credit they deserved at that time because they were black and america did not want to play too much black music. So many were better known overseas.

So in the grand scheme of things...meh on the clash...sure they had influence, but not to the extent of many other bands and maybe not even the most influence in their own genre.

In other words, the clash are over rated IMO.:cool:

I think perceptions of their influence come down to what you listen to now. For the bands I'm into the Clash are clearly a top influence as would be Joy Division and more recently the Pixies. But that seems to be a more alternative bent than the folks you are citing -- e.g., Clapton.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think perceptions of their influence come down to what you listen to now. For the bands I'm into the Clash are clearly a top influence as would be Joy Division and more recently the Pixies. But that seems to be a more alternative bent than the folks you are citing -- e.g., Clapton.

Well you listen a minority genre it would seem...so how much of an influence were they if they seemed to influence a minority of bands.

I have actually found that for the most part, like an earlier poster indicated and you jumped onto, newer music today just does not stack up. Once again I said for the most part, not all.

Actually I think the only CDs I have bought this year have been in a genre that is not that main stream and I could not even find a radio station (am/fm not on the net) in my neck of the woods that would even consider playing either of them.

That genre is kind of death metal but it has split into so many categories that who knows what it is actually called from the CDs I have gotten this year.

Behemoth - the apostasy
Amon Amarth - With Oden on our Side
Nile - Ityphallic

----

Now if I listen to radio station in the car it seems like if they are playing a newer song, more times than not it just seems generic. If I watch MTV, well when I come home the wife is watching it, It seems the same. Generic or some kind of rap and dance stuff.
Heck even my beloved hardcore metal from days gone by seems to be generic now. The 3 bands I mentioned have their own niche they created, even if the words are silly.

Music today just not seem to be as good as it was at one time. Not as much originality. I think a great deal of it can be blamed on the music industry finding a band that works and trying to copy it from other bands and so on. Most of the main stream pop now days sounds like pre packaged bubble gum tennie bopper stuff to me.

[AbeBeta]

Well you listen a minority genre it would seem...so how much of an influence were they if they seemed to influence a minority of bands.

I have actually found that for the most part, like an earlier poster indicated and you jumped onto, newer music today just does not stack up. Once again I said for the most part, not all.

Actually I think the only CDs I have bought this year have been in a genre that is not that main stream and I could not even find a radio station (am/fm not on the net) in my neck of the woods that would even consider playing either of them.

That genre is kind of death metal but it has split into so many categories that who knows what it is actually called from the CDs I have gotten this year.

Behemoth - the apostasy
Amon Amarth - With Oden on our Side
Nile - Ityphallic

----

Now if I listen to radio station in the car it seems like if they are playing a newer song, more times than not it just seems generic. If I watch MTV, well when I come home the wife is watching it, It seems the same. Generic or some kind of rap and dance stuff.
Heck even my beloved hardcore metal from days gone by seems to be generic now. The 3 bands I mentioned have their own niche they created, even if the words are silly.

Music today just not seem to be as good as it was at one time. Not as much originality. I think a great deal of it can be blamed on the music industry finding a band that works and trying to copy it from other bands and so on. Most of the main stream pop now days sounds like pre packaged bubble gum tennie bopper stuff to me.

Oh I don't disagree that radio sucks -- but I think one of my original points was that radio sucks because people insist on listening to older music. How long would it have to take you to hear 20 new bands on the radio?

As my initial post indicated - there are a ton of good CDs out there right now. Doubt you'd hear any of them on the radio.

I think if folks are honest with themselves, most who say "nothing new is good" aren't putting the same sort of effort into finding new stuff as they were in the past -- you likely don't have as many friends passing stuff on to you, etc. We all naturally close off to new stuff at some point but there is a value to opening back up.

[vta]

:hammer:

Grace is just absolutely amazing as well. I always get chills listening to it.

Grace is fantastic. The guy was just overall a great talent. Too bad he had to die; who know's what other kind of things he would have done?

[REDVOLUTION]

Not liking them is fine.

Denying their importance like others in the thread are doing is what I find silly.

So is trying to put them above Zeppelin.
I am not even a Zeppelin homer and I know that the Clash arent/werent/never will be MORE influential than Zep.

Fine, you like the Clash a whole lot and you have Favre-erized them. I respect that but you cant post it as fact. People are too smart for that.


I'm not particularly fond of it myself.

Regardless, The Clash are hardly "important."

Perhaps in their Genre there is a significant amouht of importance. Thats all I could see.



Except for being one of the biggest influences on nearly every band that has followed...

Laughable.


Problem is...no Ramones, probably no Clash...so who would be more influential and important as an influence on punk?

Makes sense to me.

[AbeBeta]

Laughable.


Tell me what "genre" you follow then. Because certainly for the huge and now totally mainstream genre called alternative, the Clash are one of the major touchstones.

[REDVOLUTION]

Tell me what "genre" you follow then. Because certainly for the huge and now totally mainstream genre called alternative, the Clash are one of the major touchstones.


Eclectic would describe my following in music.

With that said.


If you can find me a few reputable sources that validates your post...

Except for being one of the biggest influences on nearly every band that has followed...

... and places them ahead of Zeppelin... then I will concede my argument.

[AbeBeta]

Eclectic would describe my following in music.

With that said.


If you can find me a few reputable sources that validates your post...



... and places them ahead of Zeppelin... then I will concede my argument.

What exactly would you consider a "reputable" source?

[jem88]

The new music today stinks. Stick with the Beatles, Stones, Zep, Who, Eagles, Creedence Clearwater, Doobie Bros, Skynyrd, etc.

Glad to see you are still around. Long time no see.:) Can't argue with that list (although I'm not the biggest Doobie Bros fan.) It certainly has been a long time!

[jem88]

Should I Stay or Should I Go, Rock the Casbah, Magnificent Seven, Clampdown... all things I've heard on the radio recently. MIA sampled Straight to Hell heavily on her last album...
And the funny thing is that 3 of those tunes are pretty sub-par by the Clash's standards. Clampdown of course is a classic.

Quick Clash top 5 (in no order)

Bankrobber
Rudy Can't Fail
White Man in Hammersmith Palais
Guns of Brixton
Safe European Home

[jem88]

I'm not particularly fond of it myself.

Regardless, The Clash are hardly "important."
That's just ridiculous.

[jem88]

Saying The Clash isn't important is the musical equivalent of saying Terence Newman isn't a good CB. It's that ridiculous.

And by the way, I'm a huge Zeppelin fan. I actually couldn't choose between The Clash and Led Zeppelin

[REDVOLUTION]

What exactly would you consider a "reputable" source?

If you are going to elevate their status to an unreasonable level then YOU need to be able to back it up with something. Figure it out.



Saying The Clash isn't important is the musical equivalent of saying Terence Newman isn't a good CB. It's that ridiculous.

And by the way, I'm a huge Zeppelin fan. I actually couldn't choose between The Clash and Led Zeppelin

I dont think I have ever said they werent important anywhere in this thread. My dispute is the inflated view of who they were and how influential/important they were/are.... however it wants to be stated.


The latter part of your post is baffling. But hey... thats why we have preferences.

[AbeBeta]

If you are going to elevate their status to an unreasonable level then YOU need to be able to back it up with something. Figure it out.



Here's quote from arguably the world's biggest band...

"The Clash was the greatest rock band. They wrote the rule book for U2." Bono

Influential?

[jem88]

If you are going to elevate their status to an unreasonable level then YOU need to be able to back it up with something. Figure it out.





I dont think I have ever said they werent important anywhere in this thread. My dispute is the inflated view of who they were and how influential/important they were/are.... however it wants to be stated.


The latter part of your post is baffling. But hey... thats why we have preferences. It really shouldn't be baffling. Numerous critics have voted London Calling as the most important album of the 1980's; A documentary on the late Joe Strummer was in cinemas recently. The Clash are widely considered to be one of the most important/influential bands of all time. There's really no inflation going on.

[REDVOLUTION]

Here's quote from arguably the world's biggest band...

"The Clash was the greatest rock band. They wrote the rule book for U2." Bono

Influential?


Before I respond.... Is that a serious response? U2?



It really shouldn't be baffling. Numerous critics have voted London Calling as the most important album of the 1980's; A documentary on the late Joe Strummer was in cinemas recently. The Clash are widely considered to be one of the most important/influential bands of all time. There's really no inflation going on.


Your reponse doesnt fit what is baffling to me.

Ok... what baffled me is you not being to choose the better of the two between Zep and Clash.

No biggie though.

[jem88]

Before I respond.... Is that a serious response? U2?






Your reponse doesnt fit what is baffling to me.

Ok... what baffled me is you not being to choose the better of the two between Zep and Clash.

No biggie though. That's exactly what I referring to. Anyways, it's all subjective I guess.

[Duane]

I just recently got into Dinosaur Jr and have found a band that I really missed out on the first time around in the late 80s early 90s. As alway the greatest hits album is a good place to start and "Ear-Bleeding Country: The Best of Dinosaur Jr." has a pretty nice selection of their music although it isn't comprehensive.

[AbeBeta]

Before I respond.... Is that a serious response? U2?


Again, tell me what you consider a legit source.

U2 is arguably one of the most successful bands of the last decade or two.

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Again, tell me what you consider a legit source.

U2 is arguably one of the most successful bands of the last decade or two.


The Defense rests.... motion for thread closure... :laugh2:

[AbeBeta]

The Defense rests.... motion for thread closure... :laugh2:

Unless you want to actually make a substantive point you should probably just stay out of the thread.

[vta]

I'd have to file it under the Things I Don't Get thread that was started, but yes, U2 is arguably one of the most successful modern bands of the last two decades. I personally hate them and just don't get it, but I cant deny their success. They set a record, before the Stones beat it, two years ago for concert revenue and attendance.

They are very popular.

[REDVOLUTION]

Unless you want to actually make a substantive point you should probably just stay out of the thread.


I want to understand how anyone can put the Clash above Led Zeppelin. You have not and can not make a good argument for that.

My point is: You are wrong about the significance of the Clash... especially if you are going to say they are more influential than Led Zeppelin.


The consensus goes to... Led Zep NOT the Clash or U2

[AbeBeta]

I want to understand how anyone can put the Clash above Led Zeppelin. You have not and can not make a good argument for that.

My point is: You are wrong about the significance of the Clash... especially if you are going to say they are more influential than Led Zeppelin.


The consensus goes to... Led Zep NOT the Clash or U2

Never said MORE, said absolutely in the same universe. I don't see any evidence for your "consensus" view presented.

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Except for being one of the biggest influences on nearly every band that has followed...

This is STILL an outrageous post.


As far as influence they are absolutely in the same universe. They influenced different types of music but they are absolutely in the same universe.

Lyrically, the Clash absolutely destroy Plant's moronic Lord of the Ring inspired drivel.


"There aint no good guy... there aint no bad guy.... we just disagree"



I would like to hear from a non-biased poster as to the strength of the lyrics of the two bands.


Here's quote from arguably the world's biggest band...

"The Clash was the greatest rock band. They wrote the rule book for U2." Bono

Influential?

Sorry... Bono and U2 are not in the Top 10.

[REDVOLUTION]

Actually being "punk" is a disadvantage as the Clash's particular brand of it was informed and highly political. That pretty much takes a ton of the knucklehead fans out of the mix. But hey, those folks still had blues-stealing Zeppelin.

So in the above comment you give more credit to the Clash and less to Zep. Who is more important here? I know its not a tie?

Do tell?



Except for being one of the biggest influences on nearly every band that has followed...

Again I will ask.... on your "biggest influences on nearly every band that has followed" LIST.... who rates where? Where do you have Zep and where do you have the Clash?

[AbeBeta]

Again I will ask.... on your "biggest influences on nearly every band that has followed" LIST.... who rates where? Where do you have Zep and where do you have the Clash?

As I noted before, it clearly depends on the genre of music. Why don't you be a little proactive here and tell me exactly what current bands YOU see as being influenced by Zeppelin. Bands that released albums in the last few years....

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As I noted before, it clearly depends on the genre of music. Why don't you be a little proactive here and tell me exactly what current bands YOU see as being influenced by Zeppelin. Bands that released albums in the last few years....


I am tired of grabbing your quotes to ask you to verify or validate something... cause clearly you cant... and have not tried to.

Oh so now it depends on the genre of music when before you said ALL.



Pound for pound - Zep beats the Clash. Its not even close.

[AbeBeta]

I am tired of grabbing your quotes to ask you to verify or validate something... cause clearly you cant... and have not tried to.

Oh so now it depends on the genre of music when before you said ALL.



Pound for pound - Zep beats the Clash. Its not even close.

Pound for pound, you can't make an argument to save your life.

Read my posts before you claim "now this" or "now that"

And again, you tell me what sort of "proof" you want -- clearly you won't say what you would accept as proof because that negates your ability to claim something isn't valid.

You can't even name a single band that put out an album recently that was influenced by Zeppelin? Yet you claim to know about musical influences?

Why do you even bother posting if you aren't going to try to even have a discussion?

[REDVOLUTION]

Pound for pound, you can't make an argument to save your life.

Read my posts before you claim "now this" or "now that"

And again, you tell me what sort of "proof" you want -- clearly you won't say what you would accept as proof because that negates your ability to claim something isn't valid.

You can't even name a single band that put out an album recently that was influenced by Zeppelin? Yet you claim to know about musical influences?

Why do you even bother posting if you aren't going to try to even have a discussion?


Wow... lots of inaccuracies there.

Have you read your posts alone?
You skirt all the questions.

[AbeBeta]

Wow... lots of inaccuracies there.

Have you read your posts alone?
You skirt all the questions.

Yawn.

You can't even seem to name a single band.

Thanks for making my point.

Now can everyone get back to making music recommendations or do we have to listen to more of Mick's drivel?

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Yawn.

You can't even seem to name a single band.

Thanks for making my point.

Now can everyone get back to making music recommendations or do we have to listen to more of Mick's drivel?


You can end it right here at "who is/was more influential"??... but you wont. Please, please... just tell me/us who is more influential. The Clash or Led Zeppelin.

My bet is you wont answer it.

[AbeBeta]

You can end it right here at "who is/was more influential"??... but you wont. Please, please... just tell me/us who is more influential. The Clash or Led Zeppelin.

My bet is you wont answer it.

Again, they are both in the same universe of influential-ness.

The Clash has clearly been more influential on punk, alternative (which is a HUGE genre), rap, and even reggae where artists routinely cover their work.

Zeppelin more influential on straight ahead rock and roll and more blues inspired rock.

But perhaps we can look to what is rapidly becoming the most critically acclaimed release of the week for answers. That release is the Hold Steady's Stay Positive where in one tune they ask us to "Raise a toast to saint Joe Strummer, I think he might have been our only decent teacher" and then later, in another song, say "They used to think it was so cute
When she said "'Dyer Maker.' All the boys knew it was a joke about Jamaica"

Seems according to them both are clearly in the same universe.

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Except for being one of the biggest influences on nearly every band that has followed...


So with the below post you rescind the above post correct?



The Clash has clearly been more influential on punk, alternative (which is a HUGE genre), rap, and even reggae where artists routinely cover their work.

Zeppelin more influential on straight ahead rock and roll and more blues inspired rock.

[AbeBeta]

So with the below post you rescind the above post correct?

not at all -- because those were the genres that took off after punk.

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not at all -- because those were the genres that took off after punk.


Yeah nice try. "nearly every" and then naming "genre's" doesnt fly.


Just say you believe that The Clash is/was more influential than Zep and it can end.


:lmao2:

[AbeBeta]

Yeah nice try. "nearly every" and then naming "genre's" doesnt fly.


Just say you believe that The Clash is/was more influential than Zep and it can end.


:lmao2:

Do you want to continue to be a or would you like to come into threads like this to actually learn about new music?

All you've done in this thread is act like a pedantic little baby who shouts "Zeppelin Rules!" I've made my point about the influence of the Clash and you keep trying to make this about something else. You clearly were wrong in saying the Clash and Zeppelin are not in the same universe.

Take it if you want. Leave it if you want. Either way, stop ruining discussions about things like music that you clearly know nothing about.

[REDVOLUTION]

Do you want to continue to be a or would you like to come into threads like this to actually learn about new music?

All you've done in this thread is act like a pedantic little baby who shouts "Zeppelin Rules!" I've made my point about the influence of the Clash and you keep trying to make this about something else. You clearly were wrong in saying the Clash and Zeppelin are not in the same universe.

Take it if you want. Leave it if you want. Either way, stop ruining discussions about things like music that you clearly know nothing about.



The namecalling is not necessary.

You think the Clash are/were more important/influential than they are... certainly not in same universe as Zep.... and I am not a Zep Rules fan.

The Clash are 2nd rate compared to Zep.

[jem88]

The namecalling is not necessary.

You think the Clash are/were more important/influential than they are... certainly not in same universe as Zep.... and I am not a Zep Rules fan.

The Clash are 2nd rate compared to Zep. They are both first rate. And in the spirit of fairness, here are my top five Zep tunes (check earlier for The Clash top 5):

- When The Levee Breaks
- Four Sticks
- Black Dog
- The Rain Song
- Kashmir

[AbeBeta]

The namecalling is not necessary.


Don't act like one and you won't get called one.

[REDVOLUTION]

Don't act like one and you won't get called one.


Getting owned. Again.

I got you once before. You cant handle. I understand.

[AbeBeta]

Getting owned. Again.

I got you once before. You cant handle. I understand.

Your bragging continues to show how ignorant you truly are.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Watch the name calling please.