Redskins Philip Daniels carted off field w/torn ACL...done for year

[Gryphon]

Phillip Daniels DE Skins taken off field in cart
Skins first practice.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3497248

[Mansta54]

Phillip Daniels DE Skins taken off field in cart
Skins first practice.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/...tory?id=3497248

This hurts them cause their Dline wasn't very good with him, its gonna be terrible without him. And just think, they took 3 recievers with their first 3 picks in the draft. Who's idea was that?

[cobra]

Gee... hard to believe that if you rely on an injury prone 36 year old and ignore a replacement that you might actually be in this situation.

Way to go moron Redskins. Good job wasting 3 picks on recievers in the 2nd round.

They are going to be desperate for a LDE.

What do you think they would give for Spears for right now?

I'm thinking a 1st round pick.

[reddyuta]

Gee... hard to believe that if you rely on an injury prone 36 year old and ignore a replacement that you might actually be in this situation.

Way to go moron Redskins. Good job wasting 3 picks on recievers in the 2nd round.

They are going to be desperate for a LDE.

What do you think they would give for Spears for right now?

I'm thinking a 1st round pick.

lol.that made me laugh.

[tomson75]

Spears would play inside in a 4-3....and there is no way in hell we get a 1st for him.

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Gee... hard to believe that if you rely on an injury prone 36 year old and ignore a replacement that you might actually be in this situation.

Way to go moron Redskins. Good job wasting 3 picks on recievers in the 2nd round.

They are going to be desperate for a LDE.

What do you think they would give for Spears for right now?

I'm thinking a 1st round pick.

I like that idea.

Besides, not like we have to worry about facing him twice a year. :D

[sago1]

I'd want at least a first rounder and a 3rd rounder in 09. After all we giving up a legit start DE and sacrificing him to play with another division opponent. I might consider a 4th instead of a 3rd if we have a choice as to which rookie WR we can have off their roster. Sounds like a good deal to me.

[cobra]

Spears would play inside in a 4-3....and there is no way in hell we get a 1st for him.

Spears could play strong side DE in a 4-3. It's not that much different than a 3-4 DE. He would typically line up with the RT and TE on him and have to hold ground as the running game headed to him.

And as far as the 1st round pick goes, I wouldn't trade him to a division rival for less. Especially when that division rival is being run by a MORON like Snyder who gives away draft picks as if they are bags of chips and is desperate.

This is the idiot who gave up a 3rd for TJ Duckett and 2 2nds for Brandon Lloyd. We could get a 1st for Spears out of him. ;)

[Tovya]

This conversation is blasphemy. We all know the punishment for such a sin.

[CrazyCowboy]

part of the game--unfortunately

[WoodysGirl]

DANIELS OUT WITH KNEE INJURY

Posted by Mike Florio on July 20, 2008, 11:22 a.m.

Redskins defensive end Phillip Daniels hyperextended a knee on the first play of 7-on-7 drills. He was carted off the field and an MRI is being conducted.

Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post reports that Daniels, a 35-year-old starter, “looked bad” as he was leaving the practice field.

Previously, the Redskins had expressed no interest in Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor. If Daniels is out for an extended period of time, the ‘Skins might have to re-think their position.

IT BEGINS, FINALLY
Posted by Mike Florio on July 19, 2008, 5:58 p.m.
The offseason is officially over.

The Washington Redskins gathered on Saturday afternoon for a team meeting, and on Sunday morning they’ll be the first NFL team to have a real, live training camp practice in 2008.

Coach Jim Zorn said on Saturday that morning practices will be “heavy,” with players typically in full pads. The afternoon sessions will be less intense, and on some days veterans will practice only once per day.

“You will see some days will be a morning practice and a special teams practice in the afternoon,” Zorn said. “There won’t be anything else but special teams.”

Still, the experience will be more intense than the camps under Joe Gibbs, with more contact.

“I think our lines — they’ll have physical contact every day,” Zorn said. ”Our running backs and our linebackers [will have contact]. Even our defensive backs and receivers have to learn how to block or shed blockers downfield.

“It’s the live contact, where you’re taking a guy to the ground and leaving your feet — we have to watch that [to avoid injuries].”

Because of extensive offseason practices, which entail plenty of contact in T-shirts and shorts, training camp for most if not all teams generally isn’t the same grueling, physical hardship that it has been in past years.

Still, it can turn serious. Seven years ago, Vikings tackle Korey Stringer died due to practice in intense summer heat.

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[dcfanatic]

That sucks.

Reminds me of the LeCharles Bentley thing all over again.

I hate the Skins, but I hate injuries even more.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Sorry to hear that, hope it's not severe...

[Mansta54]

That sucks.

Reminds me of the LeCharles Bentley thing all over again.

I hate the Skins, but I hate injuries even more.

And just think, with their first 3 picks in the draft, they took 3 recievers knowing that their Oline was old and hurt all the time and their Dline has absolutely ZERO pass rush.. Their frtofc is a complete JOKE...

[bbgun]

This is weird. Here's ESPN headline:

Sources: Skins DE Daniels done, Taylor on radar

But when you click on the story, it doesn't mention Jason Taylor at all.

[WoodysGirl]

This is weird. Here's ESPN headline:

Sources: Skins DE Daniels done, Taylor on radar

But when you click on the story, it doesn't mention Jason Taylor at all.
When was the last time you checked the article?

Redskins defensive end Phillip Daniels suffered an injury Sunday to his anterior cruciate knee ligament, according to a source, a potentially season-ending injury that could lead to Jason Taylor coming to Washington.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3497248

[Star4Ever]

I find it funny (funny/strange, not ha ha) that almost every Foreskin fan on ES has posted that we won't go anywhere this year because we are due for the injury bug to bite us. Then they sustain a potentially serious injury on the first day of training camp. Irony? I never, ever want to see any player hurt, but I actually think many Foreskin fans silently hope our players will sustain injuries. Jealous much?

[ajk23az]

And the injuries for the old, fragile Skins' begins..

[theebs]

that sucks for them.

I wonder how dealings with cerrato/snyder and parcells would go.

Parcells has called that franchise out many times because of snyders meddling ways. I bet that snyder remembers all that too, the moron that he is.

If they did get jason taylor they then become a better team if he still wants to play football.

[Skinsmaniac]

One player doesn't make a team, and while fans (including me) constantly use injuries as an excuse, hopefully the team realizes that you just have to play with who you have available.

I thought the Fred Davis pick was extremely strange and would have been happy with a DE there, but I'm not going to complain if he was their highest rated player because I think it's best to look longterm and not what today's needs are.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Figures. One of our, if not the thinest position on our roster. If our front office really believes that we have a shot at doing something year (which with snyder in office, is almost always), then Taylor is going to be a real possibility. I don't like the fact of spending a first rounder on a 30 year old player. But, it sounds like this might be our only option at the moment.

I just hope this will not be a trend to come for the season.

[Skinsmaniac]

Figures. One of our, if not the thinest position on our roster. If our front office really believes that we have a shot at doing something year (which with snyder in office, is almost always), then Taylor is going to be a real possibility. I don't like the fact of spending a first rounder on a 30 year old player. But, it sounds like this might be our only option at the moment.

I just hope this will not be a trend to come for the season.
I would hate to get Jason Taylor. He's a great player, but he'd be way too expensive, in terms of draft picks, to acquire.

[Mansta54]

that sucks for them.

I wonder how dealings with cerrato/snyder and parcells would go.

Parcells has called that franchise out many times because of snyders meddling ways. I bet that snyder remembers all that too, the moron that he is.

If they did get jason taylor they then become a better team if he still wants to play football.

BP is about to have his way with them. I'm not to sure that JT will make them all that much better either. Big Flo handled him by himself last year.. Their D is hurtin without GW calling the shots like last year. Not to mention Rogers and Mcintosh coming off major surgeries and Washington stays hurt while Fletcher is close to 50yrs old. Getting JT won't make much of a difference...

[skinsngibbs4life]

BP is about to have his way with them. I'm not to sure that JT will make them all that much better either. Big Flo handled him by himself last year.. Their D is hurtin without GW calling the shots like last year. Not to mention Rogers and Mcintosh coming off major surgeries and Washington stays hurt while Fletcher is close to 50yrs old. Getting JT won't make much of a difference...

So without one down of football played you can already tell the skins will be "hurtin" without GW? Damn.

[zrinkill]

So without one down of football played you can already tell the skins will be "hurtin" without GW? Damn.

Is it necessary for me to link all the stupid predictions the Skins trolls on this board make about the Cowboys this year?

[Mansta54]

So without one down of football played you can already tell the skins will be "hurtin" without GW? Damn.

Oh no doubt about it. He was awesome for yall.. Deny it all you want but GW is only 1 of many reasons why yall are hurting and I'm not the only one who feels that way. Pick up any NFL publication or look at any NFL analyst picks and they all have yall finishing DEAD LAST in the east.. Truth hurts but deal with it...:laugh2:

[HeHateMe]

The worst part of training camp.

The only thing I hate about the preseason is stuff like this.

[jdnoyes]

BP has got to be licking his chops. I'm sure the price for Taylor just went up. JT may be an upgrade over Daniels, but not by much. Daniels is a tough underrated player. If the pay a #1 for a 30 something I want to retire soon to be an actor JT, thats a steep price to pay. Perhaps Fred Davis can play DE? :rolleyes:

[skinsngibbs4life]

Oh no doubt about it. He was awesome for yall.. Deny it all you want but GW is only 1 of many reasons why yall are hurting and I'm not the only one who feels that way. Pick up any NFL publication or look at any NFL analyst picks and they all have yall finishing DEAD LAST in the east.. Truth hurts but deal with it...:laugh2:
Truth is based on facts, not assumption. So I actually feel pretty fine right now.

the fact is, we don't know how the skins will perform on defense this year. They COULD do poorly, or they COULD do well. It's anyways guess. Blache coached underneath GW for 4 seasons. That is plenty of time for him to learn from and essentially install the same type of defense.

[5Stars]

Rub some dirt on it...!


:eek:

[skinsngibbs4life]

BP has got to be licking his chops. I'm sure the price for Taylor just went up. JT may be an upgrade over Daniels, but not by much. Daniels is a tough underrated player. If the pay a #1 for a 30 something I want to retire soon to be an actor JT, thats a steep price to pay. Perhaps Fred Davis can play DE? :rolleyes:

Tuna very well could drive this price up. But the skins have a couple things working in their favor. The age card can easily come into effect, and help the skins keep a reasonable price. If taylor is really that adamant about leaving, a holdout could also work with the skins, as long as they are okay with delaying the talks for a little while.

[EveryoneElse]

Thats unfortunate. Watch them land Jason taylor now.

[bbgun]

It's absolutely sweltering here in DC. I don't envy them in those pads.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Gee... hard to believe that if you rely on an injury prone 36 year old and ignore a replacement that you might actually be in this situation.

Way to go moron Redskins. Good job wasting 3 picks on recievers in the 2nd round.

They are going to be desperate for a LDE.

What do you think they would give for Spears for right now?

I'm thinking a 1st round pick.

injury prone? Daniels has played in every game in the last three years. And in 13 years has only missed signifigant time once.

[ThreeSportStar80]

They really should have drafted a DE end somewhere in the draft...

[sonnyboy]

I find it funny (funny/strange, not ha ha) that almost every Foreskin fan on ES has posted that we won't go anywhere this year because we are due for the injury bug to bite us. Then they sustain a potentially serious injury on the first day of training camp. Irony? I never, ever want to see any player hurt, but I actually think many Foreskin fans silently hope our players will sustain injuries. Jealous much?


Silently! Are you kidding me?
I've read this quote numerous times over at ES.....
"OH GOD, I HOPE TONY ROMO BLOWS OUT A KNEE"

When you're miserable because you know your team sucks, and the redskins do suck, the only hope you have is injury to your opponents.

[Mansta54]

Truth is based on facts, not assumption. So I actually feel pretty fine right now.

the fact is, we don't know how the skins will perform on defense this year. They COULD do poorly, or they COULD do well. It's anyways guess. Blache coached underneath GW for 4 seasons. That is plenty of time for him to learn from and essentially install the same type of defense.

Ok dude, keep hope alive.....:laugh2: Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.. I luv it!!!!!:lmao2:

[Mansta54]

Silently! Are you kidding me?
I've read this quote numerous times over at ES.....
"OH GOD, I HOPE TONY ROMO BLOWS OUT A KNEE"

When you're miserable because you know your team sucks, and the redskins do suck, the only hope you have is injury to your opponents.


:bow:

[skinsngibbs4life]

Ok dude, keep hope alive.....:laugh2: Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.. I luv it!!!!!:lmao2:
I will stay logical. Over the years I have realized that isn't one of your strong points, so maybe i'll just stop trying to talk real football and ending up in mindless circles.

[sonnyboy]

Figures. One of our, if not the thinest position on our roster. If our front office really believes that we have a shot at doing something year (which with snyder in office, is almost always), then Taylor is going to be a real possibility. I don't like the fact of spending a first rounder on a 30 year old player. But, it sounds like this might be our only option at the moment.

I just hope this will not be a trend to come for the season.

Oh god do I wish you were the skins GM.

Dear God would please make Vinny bag of donuts panic and give Miami what is certain to be a top 10 1st rd pick for Jason Taylor. Pleeeeeeease!:bow:

[miamicowboy21]

God this sucks. The foreskins will give miami whatever they want to get taylor. This isn't good.

[Mansta54]

I will stay logical. Over the years I have realized that isn't one of your strong points, so maybe i'll just stop trying to talk real football and ending up in mindless circles.

Dude, do what you feel. Whatever makes you happy and allows you to cope with the fact that your frtofc is the joke of the league and your team SUCKS and is projected to finish DEAD LAST by every analyst and NFL publication out there for 2008. Do what makes you feel better!!!:lmao2:

[Mansta54]

God this sucks. The foreskins will give miami whatever they want to get taylor. This isn't good.

Why does this suck and what's so bad about Miami stealing from the Foreskins.... It doesn't hurt us at all...

[zrinkill]

Why does this suck and what's so bad about Miami stealing from the Foreskins.... It doesn't hurt us at all...

I agree ..... Jason Taylor is not gonna help them more than Parcells is gonna rape them ..... (if a trade even happens .... which I doubt)

[sonnyboy]

God this sucks. The foreskins will give miami whatever they want to get taylor. This isn't good.


And this is bad why?

Listen, the skins are a non-factor. They are a last place finish waiting to happen. Jason Taylor will not help them. He doesn't play QB.

We can only hope they "give miami whatever they want to get taylor".
That means they'll most likely be given up a top pick.:)

[Gryphon]

Sources: Daniels has ACL injury, Skins consider Taylor trade with Dolphins
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
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Updated: July 20, 2008, 1:56 PM ET

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Redskins defensive end Phillip Daniels suffered an injury Sunday to his anterior cruciate knee ligament, according to a source, a potentially season-ending injury that could lead to Jason Taylor coming to Washington.



Daniels

Daniels hurt the knee during the team's first practice. He tried to jump over a teammate and came down on his knee. Daniels had to be carted off the field. Preliminary reports from the initial MRI indicated damage to the ACL and possibly more, according to a source.

Following the morning practice, the Redskins started working on trade discussions to replace him. According to another source, talks are underway with the Miami Dolphins for Taylor, who started the offseason by asking to go to a contending team.

With Daniels likely done for the season and Erasmus James starting camp on the physically unable to perform list recovering from knee problems, defensive end is the thinnest position on the Redskins. The Dolphins asked for a first-round choice for Taylor before the draft while he was competing in the "Dancing With The Stars" show on ABC. It is not know what the Redskins would offer the Dolphins for Taylor.

The 35-year-old Daniels is one of the team leaders on defense, and his loss would hurt the team. Demetric Evans is currently behind him on the team's depth chart.

The Redskins have not been in aggressive in free agency this season, so they would have no trouble handling Taylor's $8.1 million contract, but they also have the ability rework the deal. After signing all 10 draft choices before the start of camp, the Redskins have more than $9 million of cap room.

MB III and FJ = 2000 yards and 25 TD's.

[cwbyfan72]

I will stay logical. Over the years I have realized that isn't one of your strong points, so maybe i'll just stop trying to talk real football and ending up in mindless circles.

dude, we just had an 11 page verbal beating of a skin fan who thought he was talkin real football.

[Alexander]

Jason Taylor is not gonna help them more than Parcells is gonna rape them ..... (if a trade even happens .... which I doubt)

Coach Parcells schooled us on both his trades with Dallas, why should Washington be any different?

[sonnyboy]

The one thing that bothers me is that this happened this morning and I'm just hearing about it now.
Could've been wearing this smile all day!:laugh2:


FYI - I'm not happy the redskins sustained a key injury because I think it could help Dallas. This injury will have no effect on the Cowboys season, just as the skins will have no effect on it. They are of no consequence.

I'm happy because it sucks the enthusiasm and life out of the redskins fan. It causes them great pain and that's something I'm very much in favor of!

[Star4Ever]

Silently! Are you kidding me?
I've read this quote numerous times over at ES.....
"OH GOD, I HOPE TONY ROMO BLOWS OUT A KNEE"

When you're miserable because you know your team sucks, and the redskins do suck, the only hope you have is injury to your opponents.


Well, I was trying to be a little diplomatic. Anyone that reads any of my posts knows how much I detest ES and the scum that resides there.

[Mansta54]

Coach Parcells schooled us on both his trades with Dallas, why should Washington be any different?

Ahh, thats your opinion. I don't think we gave BP anything we actually wanted to keep..

[SacredStar]

I hate to see injuries on any team, and I hope Phillip is ok.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Dude, do what you feel. Whatever makes you happy and allows you to cope with the fact that your frtofc is the joke of the league and your team SUCKS and is projected to finish DEAD LAST by every analyst and NFL publication out there for 2008. Do what makes you feel better!!!:lmao2:
The same NFL publication that picked the Giants to finish last last year? I think I'll take my chances

[zrinkill]

Coach Parcells schooled us on both his trades with Dallas, why should Washington be any different?

I would say that Tashard Choice will be more valuable to us than Akin Ayodele and Anthony Fasano.

I do not think Bill cam out ahead in that regard.

[Alexander]

I don't think we gave BP anything we actually wanted to keep..

That's not the point. We didn't get value.

In the 1970s, we'd trade our backups like Craig Morton and come away smelling like a rose. We traded away three players who are likely to start for Miami and play pretty well for next to nothing.

[Alexander]

I would say that Tashard Choice will be more valuable to us than Akin Ayodele and Anthony Fasano.

:laugh2:

Is this a joke?

Choice will be fortunate to carry the ball 30 times this year. A special teamer is more valuable than two starters? And it isn't just about Ayodele and Fasano, there was Ferguson as well.

[Mansta54]

The same NFL publication that picked the Giants to finish last last year? I think I'll take my chances

Yep!! Those same publications and you have no choice but to take your chances cause all of them project yall DEAD LAST....

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

From what I'm hearing it looks like it will be a 2nd rd pick for Taylor.

[Beefullo]

Might be a blessing in disguise for them if they net Jason Taylor.

Then again, maybe it will be another case of the Skins wasting draft picks for veterans.

[Mansta54]

From what I'm hearing it looks like it will be a 2nd rd pick for Taylor.

Don't be suprised if it's a 1st after BP is done with Vinny and the Midget...

[Skinsmaniac]

From what I'm hearing it looks like it will be a 2nd rd pick for Taylor.
Washington Post says the Skins aren't interested. Also, another DE, second-year Alex Buzbee went down with an ankle injury.

[Mansta54]

Washington Post says the Skins aren't interested. Also, another DE, second-year Alex Buzbee went down with an ankle injury.

Damn dude, this isn't a good start... Wow!!!!!

[Skinsmaniac]

Damn dude, this isn't a good start... Wow!!!!!
It's not so much that Buzbee was expected to contribute much, but we need bodies on the DLine so that our other players don't get overworked.

[Nav22]

A special teamer is more valuable than two starters? And it isn't just about Ayodele and Fasano, there was Ferguson as well.Um... none of those guys would be starters on the 2008 Dallas Cowboys.

We rid ourselves of a large amount of cap space moving those players (especially Ferguson and Ayodele), players who would NOT crack our starting lineup.

The need for Ayodele (one of our very worst defensive starters in 2007, and a guy who would NOT see time as a backup on the nickel or dime) is minimized with the Zach Thomas acquisition, and the need for Ferguson is non-existent with the emergence of Jay Ratliff and the potential of Tank Johnson (who we are paying pennies for).

Ferguson likely wouldn't even be our 2nd string NT if he were here, and look how much he is due to make in 2008.

The trades worked out beautifully for both the Dolphins AND the Cowboys, unless if you think it's a GREAT idea to pay a bunch of money to backups who will hardly ever see the field...

But it's not surprising that casual fans would look at it and simply see the names switching teams, and think, "They screwed us!!!"

[Mansta54]

It's not so much that Buzbee was expected to contribute much, but we need bodies on the DLine so that our other players don't get overworked.

oh i agree, camp bodies.... That injury thing sucks tho...

[Mansta54]

Um... none of those guys would be starters on the 2008 Dallas Cowboys.

We rid ourselves of a large amount of cap space moving those players (especially Ferguson and Ayodele), players who would NOT crack our starting lineup.

The need for Ayodele (one of our very worst defensive starters in 2007, and a guy who would NOT see time as a backup on the nickel or dime) is minimized with the Zach Thomas acquisition, and the need for Ferguson is non-existent with the emergence of Jay Ratliff and the potential of Tank Johnson (who we are paying pennies for).

Ferguson likely wouldn't even be our 2nd string NT if he were here, and look how much he is due to make in 2008.

The trades worked out beautifully for both the Dolphins AND the Cowboys, unless if you think it's a GREAT idea to pay a bunch of money to backups who will hardly ever see the field...

But it's not surprising that casual fans would look at it and simply see the names switching teams, and think, "They screwed us!!!"

Good post!!! BP didn't get much from us at all.

[dogunwo]

:laugh2:

Is this a joke?

Choice will be fortunate to carry the ball 30 times this year. A special teamer is more valuable than two starters? And it isn't just about Ayodele and Fasano, there was Ferguson as well.
:hammer:

[Alexander]

Um... none of those guys would be starters on the 2008 Dallas Cowboys.

I didn't say they would be.

We rid ourselves of a large amount of cap space moving those players (especially Ferguson and Ayodele), players who would NOT crack our starting lineup.

We also weakened ourselves in two areas in terms of depth. We got what we could for both players and saved cap space. But we didn't get value or come out ahead. They did.

The need for Ayodele (one of our very worst defensive starters in 2007, and a guy who would NOT see time as a backup on the nickel or dime) is minimized with the Zach Thomas acquisition, and the need for Ferguson is non-existent with the emergence of Jay Ratliff and the potential of Tank Johnson (who we are paying pennies for).

Zach Thomas has to prove to me he can play a whole season. I am very far from fond of Ayodele. I was scratching my head about him when most of you were applauding the signing two years ago. But he's still quality depth. Better than what we have right now, which is nothing.



The trades worked out beautifully for both the Dolphins AND the Cowboys, unless if you think it's a GREAT idea to pay a bunch of money to backups who will hardly ever see the field...

But it's not surprising that casual fans would look at it and simply see the names switching teams, and think, "They screwed us!!!"

No, casual fans think we got away ahead because we lopped off cap dollars or got close to value for all three players.

Three starters for fourth and sixth round choices is robbery. Or at the very least a friendly and healthy discount.

[montgod]

Washington Post says the Skins aren't interested. Also, another DE, second-year Alex Buzbee went down with an ankle injury.

Even if they were, I don't think Jason Taylor is interested in going to the Skins. If he didn't want to go to GB and some other teams, there is no way he would want to go to Washington.

Moving on....

[Mansta54]

Even if they were, I don't think Jason Taylor is interested in going to the Skins. If he didn't want to go to GB and some other teams, there is no way he would want to go to Washington.

Moving on....

I agree!!! Can't see him wanting to go to a projected LOSER, although he may not have a choice in the matter....

[yeahyeah]

I dont want to celebrate a mans suffering cause thats not right.
HOWEVER...Its gonna be a loooong season....for the Skins.
Let the suckin commence foreskins!

I LOVE IT :D

[Nav22]

I didn't say they would be.You keep referring to these players as "starters", so did you mean that they will be starting for Miami? And if so, who cares? What Miami does with these players doesn't affect us.

WE don't need them. If a 1-15 bottom-feeder in another conference could use them and is willing to take those cap charges off our hands, let them.We also weakened ourselves in two areas in terms of depth.Like I said, Ayodele does not play on the nickel or dime packages. He doesn't have the coverage ability.

So where would he fit in that could justify his cap charge? He wouldn't.

Ferguson would likely be the 3rd string NT on the 2008 Cowboys. His cap hit would have been $5.62 million for the upcoming season.

Explain to me why the need for a 3rd string NT (who happens to be 33 years old and coming off a torn bicep that cost him his '07 season) is worth $5.62 million of our cap, please.

[bbgun]

A lot of guys will get hurt in camp or pre-season games. They'd be fools to "sell" so quickly.

[dmq]

What about Spears for a #1? Don't many on the board think he is more of a 4-3 DE?

[InmanRoshi]

Steve Walsh wasn't going to be a starter for us, but he was still an asset and Jimmy Johnson got value for his asset when he traded him to the Saints for three good picks.

You can bad mouth Ayodele all you want, but in return you're also insulting Bobby Carpenter and Kevin Burnett because they weren't good enough to beat him out in Wade or Parcells' scheme. Ayodele is a mediocre starter, but very good depth who has played several positions.

The trades seemed utterly pointless to me, and I don't know what the Cowboys got out of it. We traded for immediate cap room, but cap room isn't an issue immediately. We supposedly traded for extra draft picks, but then we had more draft picks than we knew what to do with and ended up trading them away for future picks. We traded Fassano away because he was just a backup TE, and then we draft another backup TE in the 2nd round. Fasano better prove to be utterly useless or Bennett better be a huge weapon for it to make any sense ... I have a feeling neither will happen ... or that angle doesn't make any sense either.

If you're just giving Ferguson away for a 7th round draft pick, why not bring him to camp as an insurance plan in case Ratliff or Tank blow out a knee in a preseason game. If he's not needed, just give him away for nothing in August instead of April.

[WoodysGirl]

What about Spears for a #1? Don't many on the board think he is more of a 4-3 DE?
Why in the world would the 'boys trade a starter to a division rival? No matter how many picks you might get in the process, I can't imagine any team doing that.

[Hoofbite]

So because they lost a guy who gets like 4 sacks a season, they feel the need to go after a guy who can get 12+?

I don't get that thought process. If they wanted Taylor at all, why in the hell would Daniels be the ro ?

You aren't as interested in trading for a player who can almost quadruple the sacks of Daniels until Daniels is hurt?

"Ya know, we could trade for Jason Taylor and get about 12 or 13 sacks from him. But, at second thought, I'd sure hate to lose Daniels 4 sacks in the process. Better hold off on the Taylor deal"

[InmanRoshi]

A lot of guys will get hurt in camp or pre-season games. They'd be fools to "sell" so quickly.

Yeah, but the Redskins might have the worst DE situation in the league and they have an owner/GM who might be the worst poker player in the league. They would be wise to strike while the iron is hot and Danny Boy is wound up and irrational.

[bbgun]

Why in the world would the 'boys trade a starter to a division rival? No matter how many picks you might get in the process, I can't imagine any team doing that.

Yet the Pats traded Bledsoe, still an elite QB, to Buffalo.

[tomson75]

What about Spears for a #1? Don't many on the board think he is more of a 4-3 DE?

I don't see how. I think most here think he's better suited to play tackle in the 4-3. I've even seen where many people think he's better suited to play the nose in our scheme. A 6'4" 305lb player that has trouble keeping his weight down isn't my ideal choice for a 4-3 DE. He's 30 lbs heavier than Daniels, and has marginal pass rush skills.

[Deep_Freeze]

You keep referring to these players as "starters", so did you mean that they will be starting for Miami? And if so, who cares? What Miami does with these players doesn't affect us.

WE don't need them. If a 1-15 bottom-feeder in another conference could use them and is willing to take those cap charges off our hands, let them.Like I said, Ayodele does not play on the nickel or dime packages. He doesn't have the coverage ability.

So where would he fit in that could justify his cap charge? He wouldn't.

Ferguson would likely be the 3rd string NT on the 2008 Cowboys. His cap hit would have been $5.62 million for the upcoming season.

Explain to me why the need for a 3rd string NT (who happens to be 33 years old and coming off a torn bicep that cost him his '07 season) is worth $5.62 million of our cap, please.

Well he is right though, we really didn't get much from them at all and they either started for us or never got the chance to (Fasano). Would Fergy start, who knows, thats a camp battle, but he by the very least could be the backup, allow us to move Rat to his natural DE spot, and cut Spears if we want. That alone makes me like having Fergy instead of our current situation.

True he is older, and you are really making a choice between Fergy and Spears, but I would prefer having Rat at his natural position. Spears needs to go, and it would have been much easier to do so with Fergy on the team even at his age.

I could care less about losing Akin or Fasano, but I really didn't like the Fergy trade at all.

[Nav22]

I think the decision on Ferguson was essentially made last year when we gave Ratliff his new deal and added Tank.

[JonJon]

They really should have drafted a DE end somewhere in the draft...

They did. They drafted DE Rob Jackson in the 7th round. According to some guys at ES.com, he should be an all-pro by week 2.

I actually think they got good value with Thomas and Kelly in round 2, but they really should have went after a DE much sooner.

[WoodysGirl]

Yet the Pats traded Bledsoe, still an elite QB, to Buffalo.
Funny, I didn't think of that trade nor did I think of Bledsoe as still being an elite QB.

[Alexander]

Well he is right though, we really didn't get much from them at all and they either started for us or never got the chance to (Fasano). Would Fergy start, who knows, thats a camp battle, but he by the very least could be the backup, allow us to move Rat to his natural DE spot, and cut Spears if we want. That alone makes me like having Fergy instead of our current situation.

True he is older, and you are really making a choice between Fergy and Spears, but I would prefer having Rat at his natural position. Spears needs to go, and it would have been much easier to do so with Fergy on the team even at his age.

I could care less about losing Akin or Fasano, but I really didn't like the Fergy trade at all.

IMO Ratliff needs to play end. Ferguson, even at his price would have been a starter if Ratliff went to end. At the very least, Ferguson would have been a good rotation player with Johnson for this year.

Fasano was very disappointing but trading him meant we felt compelled to spend a second round choice on Bennett, so how did we have a net gain again? As for Ayodele, we might wish we had him back if Thomas can't make it a full season. Neither had an appreciable cap charge that made it necessary to move them, particularly Fasano.

If this is indeed a team loading up for bear for a Super Bowl run, you have players at depth positions like some of these. But oh boy, we sure got those fourth and sixth round picks.

[Mansta54]

They did. They drafted DE Rob Jackson in the 7th round. According to some guys at ES.com, he should be an all-pro by week 2.

I actually think they got good value with Thomas and Kelly in round 2, but they really should have went after a DE much sooner.

It was ridiculous to take 3 recievers with their first 3 picks knowing that their Oline is old and injury prone. Not to mention that their Dline has absolutely no pass rush. The game is played inside out, you have to have the Oline and Dline intact first before you start throwing away picks on recievers.. That was such a foolish move but I'm not suprised coming from their Frtofc which is a complete JOKE..

[Alexander]

Steve Walsh wasn't going to be a starter for us, but he was still an asset and Jimmy Johnson got value for his asset when he traded him to the Saints for three good picks.

You can bad mouth Ayodele all you want, but in return you're also insulting Bobby Carpenter and Kevin Burnett because they weren't good enough to beat him out in Wade or Parcells' scheme. Ayodele is a mediocre starter, but very good depth who has played several positions.

The trades seemed utterly pointless to me, and I don't know what the Cowboys got out of it. We traded for immediate cap room, but cap room isn't an issue immediately. We supposedly traded for extra draft picks, but then we had more draft picks than we knew what to do with and ended up trading them away for future picks. We traded Fassano away because he was just a backup TE, and then we draft another backup TE in the 2nd round. Fasano better prove to be utterly useless or Bennett better be a huge weapon for it to make any sense ... I have a feeling neither will happen ... or that angle doesn't make any sense either.

If you're just giving Ferguson away for a 7th round draft pick, why not bring him to camp as an insurance plan in case Ratliff or Tank blow out a knee in a preseason game. If he's not needed, just give him away for nothing in August instead of April.

It was a matter of convenience and we did Miami a favor. There was no necessity or even value involved, unless you dig really deep for a silver lining.

I consider it part of the continuing payback for them to "allow" Garrett to come aboard.

[Alexander]

It was ridiculous to take 3 recievers with their first 3 picks knowing that their Oline is old and injury prone. Not to mention that their Dline has absolutely no pass rush. The game is played inside out, you have to have the Oline and Dline intact first before you start throwing away picks on recievers.. That was such a foolish move but I'm not suprised coming from their Frtofc which is a complete JOKE..

Both of their lines were in a trouble and they foolishly ignored both areas (I don't count the Northern Iowa OT as a serious move). They simply crossed their fingers and convinced themselves that wishing would just make it go away (like we did with WR).

I can't really dispute WR as a need for them. But taking another tight end like Davis was the most unintelligent move of all. Not only was it unnecessary, it was risky. He's not the most stable individual around and proved it by "sleeping" through an entire practice.

[bbgun]

Funny, I didn't think of that trade nor did I think of Bledsoe as still being an elite QB.

I'm sure most of the league did, Buffalo especially. He wasn't physically "done," but merely blocked by the Golden Boy. Shades of Morton to the Giants.

[Mansta54]

Both of their lines were in a trouble and they foolishly ignored both areas (I don't count the Northern Iowa OT as a serious move). They simply crossed their fingers and convinced themselves that wishing would just make it go away (like we did with WR).

I can't really dispute WR as a need for them. But taking another tight end like Davis was the most unintelligent move of all. Not only was it unnecessary, it was risky. He's not the most stable individual around and proved it by "sleeping" through an entire practice.

I totally disagree with this. Our young WR's have shown that they can at least play in the league, unlike any of their linemen. Crayton and Hurd can play, and Witten catches just as many balls as any WR. Don't think we crossed our fingers at all, there just wasn't any available who are better then what we already have...

[mbanx]

If the Skins are really interested in Taylor I hope like hell Parcells takes danny boy to the cleaners.

[Mansta54]

If the Skins are really interested in Taylor I hope like hell Parcells takes danny boy to the cleaners.

Well, the Midget and Vinny have proven that it doesn't take much to take them to the cleaners...:lmao2:

[Nav22]

More injuries for the Redskins...

Alex Buzbee, 2nd year DE, ruptured his right Achilles' tendon and is done for the year. He was hurt 30 minutes into the afternoon practice.

He didn't play much last year (if at all), so this can't be considered a big loss. But it obviously doesn't help their depth, with Daniels also possibly being done for the year.

Also, Fred Smoot sprained his left ankle. HC Jim Zorn says he hopes Smoot will be out less than a week.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/07/smoot_hurt_in_afternoon_practi.html

[UVAwahoos]

Tuna very well could drive this price up. But the skins have a couple things working in their favor. The age card can easily come into effect, and help the skins keep a reasonable price. If taylor is really that adamant about leaving, a holdout could also work with the skins, as long as they are okay with delaying the talks for a little while.

A couple problems. First, Taylor wants to play for a winner. If the decaying corpse of Joe Gibbs couldn't get it done in 4 seasons, I'm pretty sure that Jimmy Zorn and company know they're just there as a stopgap until Spurrier's contract with the Gamecocks runs out and Snyder can get back to recycling coaches. Second, the Redskins are lacking in some of the key positions required to be considered an "NFL franchise" like coach, QB, WR, O-line, now D-line (haha, just lovely), LB, SS, etc. So I'm not sure that it's even legal for the Dolphins to get into trade discussions with a pseudo-AFL team.

But you're right, if those things get ironed out, than I am sure the Skins have the potential to acquire him at "a reasonable price" like you said since that's how Snyder acquires every one of his players. On 2nd thought, you kids have really built a winner out there in DC. If only there were a WNFL league to really show off all your hard work...

[Pabst]

Ouch. Two linemen done for the year, on the very first day of training camp?

Buzbee, at least hes still got youth on his side, but I wouldn't be surprised if Daniels is done after an injury like that.

Tendon rips are hard to prevent and often freak-of-nature like injuries, but regardless, it makes me wonder about their strength and conditioning coaches to see two DL go down on the first day.

Best luck to them both of them in their rehabilitation, no one likes to see injuries, especially this early in the year.

[Kilyin]

Funny, I didn't think of that trade nor did I think of Bledsoe as still being an elite QB.

During no point in his career was Bledsoe ever 'elite'.

[WoodysGirl]

I'm sure most of the league did, Buffalo especially. He wasn't physically "done," but merely blocked by the Golden Boy. Shades of Morton to the Giants.
That's a good point. But by that time he wasn't a starter anymore. Tom Brady was the clear cut starter at that point and Bledsoe wasn't going to take being a backup kindly.

Putting it back onto the Cowboys, I still don't see why they would consider trading Spears to the 'Skins.

[bbgun]

During no point in his career was Bledsoe ever 'elite'.

You say that with the benefit of hindsight. At the time, the general consensus was that the Bills did not overpay.

[bbgun]

Putting it back onto the Cowboys, I still don't see why they would consider trading Spears to the 'Skins.

It would bother me less than trading them a player who has the ball in their hands on every play.

[Mansta54]

A couple problems. First, Taylor wants to play for a winner. If the decaying corpse of Joe Gibbs couldn't get it done in 4 seasons, I'm pretty sure that Jimmy Zorn and company know they're just there as a stopgap until Spurrier's contract with the Gamecocks runs out and Snyder can get back to recycling coaches. Second, the Redskins are lacking in some of the key positions required to be considered an "NFL franchise" like coach, QB, WR, O-line, now D-line (haha, just lovely), LB, SS, etc. So I'm not sure that it's even legal for the Dolphins to get into trade discussions with a pseudo-AFL team.

But you're right, if those things get ironed out, than I am sure the Skins have the potential to acquire him at "a reasonable price" like you said since that's how Snyder acquires every one of his players. On 2nd thought, you kids have really built a winner out there in DC. If only there were a WNFL league to really show off all your hard work...

Ouch!!!! I luv it.....:lmao2:

[tomson75]

It's times like this that I'm thankful for Juraszek. A great strength and conditioning coach can go a long way to prevent injuries. We have one of the best.

[Deep_Freeze]

IMO Ratliff needs to play end. Ferguson, even at his price would have been a starter if Ratliff went to end. At the very least, Ferguson would have been a good rotation player with Johnson for this year.

Fasano was very disappointing but trading him meant we felt compelled to spend a second round choice on Bennett, so how did we have a net gain again? As for Ayodele, we might wish we had him back if Thomas can't make it a full season. Neither had an appreciable cap charge that made it necessary to move them, particularly Fasano.

If this is indeed a team loading up for bear for a Super Bowl run, you have players at depth positions like some of these. But oh boy, we sure got those fourth and sixth round picks.

We pretty much agree on this, as we said similar things although I'm not really as upset over losing Fasano or Ayodele. I am upset over Bennett as I like Curtis and we didnt need a TE there, but thats a whole nother issue. I still don't like the Fergy trade, and not sure I ever will especially with the Spears situation.

[cobra]

Putting it back onto the Cowboys, I still don't see why they would consider trading Spears to the 'Skins.

Only if the price is right. That is, a 1st rounder.

Cause that will be a top 5 pick next year.

You don't help them out by giving them a starter for a throw away pick.

But if you can bleed your rival, do it. Spears won't make them great. But losing a 1st would hurt them bad and help us a lot.

[Deep_Freeze]

Only if the price is right. That is, a 1st rounder.

Cause that will be a top 5 pick next year.

You don't help them out by giving them a starter for a throw away pick.

But if you can bleed your rival, do it. Spears won't make them great. But losing a 1st would hurt them bad and help us a lot.
I seriously doubt that trade would happen, especially for a first.

Spears isn't the only DE to trade for in the league.

[AbeBeta]

Gee... hard to believe that if you rely on an injury prone 36 year old and ignore a replacement that you might actually be in this situation.

Injury prone? Daniels has one season with under 13 games played in a 12 year career. He's missed 1 game in the past 3 years.

Also, he is 35.

[TheSkaven]

If the Skins trade next year's first round pick for a player who has already announced that he will play only one more season, Snyder may actually outdo himself this time!

[Mansta54]

Injury prone? Daniels has one season with under 13 games played in a 12 year career. He's missed 1 game in the past 3 years.

Also, he is 35.

:clap: :suxskins:

[Mansta54]

If the Skins trade next year's first round pick for a player who has already announced that he will play only one more season, Snyder may actually outdo himself this time!

Well, don't be suprised when it happens. Any move the Midget makes wouldn't suprise me one bit... Remember, he's getting advice from Vinny..

[AbeBeta]

:clap: :suxskins:

I have no doubt about that.

I just hate when folks on this board post inaccurate information -- it makes us all look stupid.

[Mansta54]

I have no doubt about that.

I just hate when folks on this board post inaccurate information -- it makes us all look stupid.

Actually, it really doesn't. Its a fan forum, infact, a damn good one. Incorrect info happens sometimes but for the most part this board is great on posting accurate info... It doesn't make us look stupid at all... Relax and enjoy the board..

[skinsngibbs4life]

They did. They drafted DE Rob Jackson in the 7th round. According to some guys at ES.com, he should be an all-pro by week 2.

I actually think they got good value with Thomas and Kelly in round 2, but they really should have went after a DE much sooner.

This is a debate that has gone on for the last 10 years now. As for drafting a DE this year, I don't know how it would have made out situation that much better. You rarely find a rookie at DE that can come in right away and make a difference. Their play as a rookie would probably be along the lines of the players the skins have as a backup right now.

Now, if the skins would have drafted a decent DE within the last 10 years (rounds 1-4) then we might not be having the conversation about Taylor. Yet, here we are.

[Mansta54]

This is a debate that has gone on for the last 10 years now. As for drafting a DE this year, I don't know how it would have made out situation that much better. You rarely find a rookie at DE that can come in right away and make a difference. Their play as a rookie would probably be along the lines of the players the skins have as a backup right now.

Now, if the skins would have drafted a decent DE within the last 10 years (rounds 1-4) then we might not be having the conversation about Taylor. Yet, here we are.

Ahh, this can be said for those 3 recievers yall drafted with your first 3 picks. Recievers do absolutely JACK their first year or two in the league.. I still can't believe your frtofc did that, well, then again I can believe it....

[Nav22]

It has been confirmed: torn ACL for Daniels, done for year.

Perhaps the mods can update the thread title?

[skinsngibbs4life]

A couple problems. First, Taylor wants to play for a winner. If the decaying corpse of Joe Gibbs couldn't get it done in 4 seasons, I'm pretty sure that Jimmy Zorn and company know they're just there as a stopgap until Spurrier's contract with the Gamecocks runs out and Snyder can get back to recycling coaches. Second, the Redskins are lacking in some of the key positions required to be considered an "NFL franchise" like coach, QB, WR, O-line, now D-line (haha, just lovely), LB, SS, etc. So I'm not sure that it's even legal for the Dolphins to get into trade discussions with a pseudo-AFL team.

But you're right, if those things get ironed out, than I am sure the Skins have the potential to acquire him at "a reasonable price" like you said since that's how Snyder acquires every one of his players. On 2nd thought, you kids have really built a winner out there in DC. If only there were a WNFL league to really show off all your hard work...

What exactly is a winner considered? Do you actually have to win something in the playoffs to be considered a winner these days? If thats the case, there might be another team in these quarters that Taylor wouldn't want to go to as well.

And how to you consider the redskins LB core as hurting? They were one of the strongest aspects of this team last year. If your basing that on just McIntosh coming off an injury, thats laughable.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Ouch. Two linemen done for the year, on the very first day of training camp?

Buzbee, at least hes still got youth on his side, but I wouldn't be surprised if Daniels is done after an injury like that.

Tendon rips are hard to prevent and often freak-of-nature like injuries, but regardless, it makes me wonder about their strength and conditioning coaches to see two DL go down on the first day.

Best luck to them both of them in their rehabilitation, no one likes to see injuries, especially this early in the year.

All of these injuries seem to be reaccuring the last three years. Bubba Tyer better be on a short leash if this is a season long trend for the team.

[Bob Sacamano]

BP has got to be licking his chops. I'm sure the price for Taylor just went up. JT may be an upgrade over Daniels, but not by much. Daniels is a tough underrated player. If the pay a #1 for a 30 something I want to retire soon to be an actor JT, thats a steep price to pay. Perhaps Fred Davis can play DE? :rolleyes:

you have got to be kidding me

stupid, 1st year coach, going to tough TCs, the Redskins are going to be wiped out during crunch-time

but not suprising, since Zorn has no idea how to be a HC, much less an offensive coordinator, so he's trying instill a tough-guy policy

[IndianaCowboyFan]

You rarely find a rookie at DE that can come in right away and make a difference. Their play as a rookie would probably be along the lines of the players the skins have as a backup right now.

I don't know about that, I think Spencer could have played as well as Ellis if he played full time, especially at the end of the year.

[Angus]

This is a debate that has gone on for the last 10 years now. As for drafting a DE this year, I don't know how it would have made out situation that much better. You rarely find a rookie at DE that can come in right away and make a difference. Their play as a rookie would probably be along the lines of the players the skins have as a backup right now.

Now, if the skins would have drafted a decent DE within the last 10 years (rounds 1-4) then we might not be having the conversation about Taylor. Yet, here we are.

I was amused that there was sentiment on the ES board to acquire Chris Canty, even after posters there learned he was no longer in RFA status. Do you think your FO has made any move in that direction?

:star:

Well, I guess not since PFT say Glazer is reporting that the Skins have agreed with Parcells to acquire Taylor for a second round pick.

[Bob Sacamano]

Tuna very well could drive this price up. But the skins have a couple things working in their favor. The age card can easily come into effect, and help the skins keep a reasonable price. If taylor is really that adamant about leaving, a holdout could also work with the skins, as long as they are okay with delaying the talks for a little while.

you're not going to drive the asking price down, forget about it

[tomson75]

What exactly is a winner considered? Do you actually have to win something in the playoffs to be considered a winner these days? If thats the case, there might be another team in these quarters that Taylor wouldn't want to go to as well.


It's funny how fans of all 30 other NFL teams can clearly see the differences between our two teams...and yet not one of them agrees with this. I wonder why?

You really think that any FA in the league right now considers the Cowboys to be in the same situation as the skins? That's laughable.

[Mansta54]

What exactly is a winner considered? Do you actually have to win something in the playoffs to be considered a winner these days? If thats the case, there might be another team in these quarters that Taylor wouldn't want to go to as well.

And how to you consider the redskins LB core as hurting? They were one of the strongest aspects of this team last year. If your basing that on just McIntosh coming off an injury, thats laughable.

McIntosh coming off major knee surgery, Fletcher old as dirt, and Washington played injured all last season and really wasn't productive at all...

[skinsngibbs4life]

I don't know about that, I think Spencer could have played as well as Ellis if he played full time, especially at the end of the year.

RARELY is a funny term isn't? Always funny to see someone single out one instance from their team out of 20-25 lineman that get drafted every year,

[Bob Sacamano]

:laugh2:

Is this a joke?

Choice will be fortunate to carry the ball 30 times this year. A special teamer is more valuable than two starters? And it isn't just about Ayodele and Fasano, there was Ferguson as well.

Ayodele is an average starter

Fasano sucks in the redzone, which is what we want our #2 TE to be good at

what did you really expect to get for Ferguson? and it's not like he fit the scheme, he's not an upfield, pursuit player

[Mansta54]

RARELY is a funny term isn't? Always funny to see someone single out one instance from their team out of 20-25 lineman that get drafted every year,

Dude you can come on this board and front all you want but your BUMS are falling apart and are lead by a clueless HC. There's a reason yall are projected to finish DEAD LAST.. Your responses are amusing though..:lmao2:

[skinsngibbs4life]

McIntosh coming off major knee surgery, Fletcher old as dirt, and Washington played injured all last season and really wasn't productive at all...

Just because someone is old as dirt doesnt make them productive? Fletcher has put up over 100 tackles each of the last years, despite being "old as dirt":rolleyes: . Washington, despite missing a couple games last year, still performed well for the defense. If he was injured most of last year, im excited to see what he will do once healthy again, and put up numbers like he did his first year in washington. McIntosh is the only one that you can't completly vouge for, however, he is supposed to make a return before preseason begins. He came on well last year, I can't imagine his play will drop off too much from the injury. But then again, im not a doctor and I can't predict this stuff, so who knows

[Primetime42]

The deal is done.

Taylor headed to Washington.

[IndianaCowboyFan]

RARELY is a funny term isn't? Always funny to see someone single out one instance from their team out of 20-25 lineman that get drafted every year,

You stated rarely. Spencer was the last player in that position drafted and last year was his rookie year. I guess Dallas drafts better than "rarely", maybe the rarely only applies to the Skins.

[dogunwo]

What was Daniels doing on the field during 7 on 7 drills anyway?

[Bob Sacamano]

Steve Walsh wasn't going to be a starter for us, but he was still an asset and Jimmy Johnson got value for his asset when he traded him to the Saints for three good picks.

You can bad mouth Ayodele all you want, but in return you're also insulting Bobby Carpenter and Kevin Burnett because they weren't good enough to beat him out in Wade or Parcells' scheme. Ayodele is a mediocre starter, but very good depth who has played several positions.

The trades seemed utterly pointless to me, and I don't know what the Cowboys got out of it. We traded for immediate cap room, but cap room isn't an issue immediately. We supposedly traded for extra draft picks, but then we had more draft picks than we knew what to do with and ended up trading them away for future picks. We traded Fassano away because he was just a backup TE, and then we draft another backup TE in the 2nd round. Fasano better prove to be utterly useless or Bennett better be a huge weapon for it to make any sense ... I have a feeling neither will happen ... or that angle doesn't make any sense either.

If you're just giving Ferguson away for a 7th round draft pick, why not bring him to camp as an insurance plan in case Ratliff or Tank blow out a knee in a preseason game. If he's not needed, just give him away for nothing in August instead of April.

we got 2, 6ths for Ferg

and holding these trades to the Walsh trade is kind of ridiculous, because teams value draft picks much more than they did in the 80's and 90's because of the salary cap and the dearth of quality free agents

[Ren]

What was Daniels doing on the field during 7 on 7 drills anyway?

probably running drills without DBs

[VACowboy]

Sirius Radio says Taylor to DC for a 2nd rounder. They quote Glazer saying "It's a done deal."

[Bob Sacamano]

A couple problems. First, Taylor wants to play for a winner. If the decaying corpse of Joe Gibbs couldn't get it done in 4 seasons, I'm pretty sure that Jimmy Zorn and company know they're just there as a stopgap until Spurrier's contract with the Gamecocks runs out and Snyder can get back to recycling coaches. Second, the Redskins are lacking in some of the key positions required to be considered an "NFL franchise" like coach, QB, WR, O-line, now D-line (haha, just lovely), LB, SS, etc. So I'm not sure that it's even legal for the Dolphins to get into trade discussions with a pseudo-AFL team.

But you're right, if those things get ironed out, than I am sure the Skins have the potential to acquire him at "a reasonable price" like you said since that's how Snyder acquires every one of his players. On 2nd thought, you kids have really built a winner out there in DC. If only there were a WNFL league to really show off all your hard work...

:laugh2: :laugh1: :lmao2: :lmao: awesum

[skinsngibbs4life]

Skins trade 2009 2nd rounder and 2010 6th rounder for Taylor

[Bob Sacamano]

What was Daniels doing on the field during 7 on 7 drills anyway?

learning how to rush the passer

[Bob Sacamano]

Skins trade 2009 2nd rounder and 2010 6th rounder for Taylor

now you guys have something to rave out

1 great and 1 good DE

[Mansta54]

Skins trade 2009 2nd rounder and 2010 6th rounder for Taylor

I luv it!!! For a aging DE who only wants to play 1 more year.. Thats great!!!:lmao2:

[skinsngibbs4life]

I luv it!!! For a aging DE who only wants to play 1 more year.. Thats great!!!:lmao2:
I don't know whats in the water up in Germantown, but would you like to ship some of that down to me? I would love to tell the future.

[Mansta54]

I don't know whats in the water up in Germantown, but would you like to ship some of that down to me? I would love to tell the future.

Ahh, those were words out of Taylors mouth that he wanted to play just 1 more year.. He told his own future... By the way, the water is good here in Germantown though..:)

[Bob Sacamano]

Fred Smoot must be jumping up and down right now

[bigE79]

Ahh, those were words out of Taylors mouth that he wanted to play just 1 more year.. He told his own future... By the way, the water is good here in Germantown though..:):laugh2:

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't know whats in the water up in Germantown, but would you like to ship some of that down to me? I would love to tell the future.

Jason Taylor wants to get into broadcasting.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Ahh, those were words out of Taylors mouth that he wanted to play just 1 more year.. He told his own future... By the way, the water is good here in Germantown though..:)

That was on a 1-15 miami team. I think most players over 30 would want to retire after a 1-15 year

[sonnyboy]

Ahh, those were words out of Taylors mouth that he wanted to play just 1 more year.. He told his own future... By the way, the water is good here in Germantown though..:)

Dam, that's gonna leave a mark!;)

[sonnyboy]

Jason Taylor wants to get into broadcasting.

But first he's gonna git into dannyboy's pocket! ;)

[sonnyboy]

That was on a 1-15 miami team. I think most players over 30 would want to retire after a 1-15 year

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling your new boy JT is going to be replaying those same thoughts this December.:lmao2:

[Mansta54]

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling your new boy JT is going to be replaying those same thoughts this December.:lmao2:

Ouch!!!:lmao2:

[bigE79]

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling your new boy JT is going to be replaying those same thoughts this December.:lmao2:took the words right out of my mouth:bow:

[WoodysGirl]

Fred Smoot must be jumping up and down right now
Can't. He's got a bad ankle...

SMOOT GETS HURT, TOO
Posted by Mike Florio on July 20, 2008, 4:45 p.m.
They say bad things happen in threes. (And whoever the “they” is that came up with that one should go to hell. Three times.)

In Washington, it has proven to be true, at least for today. With defensive ends Phillip Daniels and Alex Buzbee already injured, cornerback Fred Smoot has suffered an apparent foot or ankle injury.

Smoot was “walking gingerly” after the injury.

[Kilyin]

Ouch... if this keeps up the Deadskins aren't going to have a team on opening day.

[Ren]

Can't. He's got a bad ankle...

SMOOT GETS HURT, TOO
Posted by Mike Florio on July 20, 2008, 4:45 p.m.
They say bad things happen in threes. (And whoever the “they” is that came up with that one should go to hell. Three times.)

In Washington, it has proven to be true, at least for today. With defensive ends Phillip Daniels and Alex Buzbee already injured, cornerback Fred Smoot has suffered an apparent foot or ankle injury.

Smoot was “walking gingerly” after the injury.

Too bad we don't have any aging CBs on our roster to offer while the skins still have draft picks next year :laugh2:

[sonnyboy]

Ouch... if this keeps up the Deadskins aren't going to have a team on opening day.


I believe that fact has been well established for some time now.:lmao2:

[AsthmaField]

Well, that should make Jason happy. I bet Zorn never lets Taylor walk into a room without saying hello in a friendly tone.

JT can't have anyone dissin' him.

That kind of mental toughness will fit right in at Redskins Park. :rolleyes:

[Star4Ever]

Um... none of those guys would be starters on the 2008 Dallas Cowboys.

We rid ourselves of a large amount of cap space moving those players (especially Ferguson and Ayodele), players who would NOT crack our starting lineup.

The need for Ayodele (one of our very worst defensive starters in 2007, and a guy who would NOT see time as a backup on the nickel or dime) is minimized with the Zach Thomas acquisition, and the need for Ferguson is non-existent with the emergence of Jay Ratliff and the potential of Tank Johnson (who we are paying pennies for).

Ferguson likely wouldn't even be our 2nd string NT if he were here, and look how much he is due to make in 2008.

The trades worked out beautifully for both the Dolphins AND the Cowboys, unless if you think it's a GREAT idea to pay a bunch of money to backups who will hardly ever see the field...

But it's not surprising that casual fans would look at it and simply see the names switching teams, and think, "They screwed us!!!"

Finally, someone who understands those two trades. We got rid of three bodies we didn't need/want that didnt' fit into our plans. More importantly, we got rid of their salaries and cleared up cap space.

[Star4Ever]

I didn't say they would be.



We also weakened ourselves in two areas in terms of depth. We got what we could for both players and saved cap space. But we didn't get value or come out ahead. They did.



Zach Thomas has to prove to me he can play a whole season. I am very far from fond of Ayodele. I was scratching my head about him when most of you were applauding the signing two years ago. But he's still quality depth. Better than what we have right now, which is nothing.



No, casual fans think we got away ahead because we lopped off cap dollars or got close to value for all three players.

Three starters for fourth and sixth round choices is robbery. Or at the very least a friendly and healthy discount.

Continue judging singing contests, because you don't know squat about the trades we made. We got rid of players (salaries) that wouldn't contribute this year and that didn't fit into our schemes since Parcells left. Just accept it and quit licking Parcell's balls.

[calico]

I hate hearing of training camp injuries....scares the **** out of me. I always hold my breath during training camp.

[sonnyboy]

I hate hearing of training camp injuries....scares the **** out of me. I always hold my breath during training camp.

Well I think its safe to hold your breath til the next redskin injury. :lmao2:

[skinfan2k]

Dude, do what you feel. Whatever makes you happy and allows you to cope with the fact that your frtofc is the joke of the league and your team SUCKS and is projected to finish DEAD LAST by every analyst and NFL publication out there for 2008. Do what makes you feel better!!!:lmao2:

those same analyst that thought the patriots were gonna win the superbowl, the chargers would be bad with norv.

[Boysboy]

As much as I hate the Skins, just hearing about injuries is the MOST GUTWRENCHING thing for ANY fan, regardless of the team.

I'd like to know-HOW can someone tear up their knee in NON-contact practices?!?

[TOOMBS]

this whole ordeal is a giant LOL


edit* I have so much to say about this but will save for a special moment

[Alexander]

learning how to rush the passer

It is unfortunate that Rob Petitti wasn't there to help him out.

[Bob Sacamano]

It is unfortunate that Rob Petitti wasn't there to help him out.

:muttley:

[bbgun]

It is unfortunate that Rob Petitti wasn't there to help him out.

Petitti Sr. has flagged this post.

[GimmeTheBall!]

Phillip Daniels DE Skins taken off field in cart
Skins first practice.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3497248

Way too early in the year to worry about the Skins line.
And waaaay too early for Cowboy fans to worry about it.

There are too many chumps like man boobs out there who are stepping up to put it to the 'Boys.

And for those here who appear gleeful, you may not be a Cowboy fan after all.
:starspin

[Bob Sacamano]

Petitti Sr. has flagged this post.

:lmao:

[Menace212]

The skins were fourth against the run...Not to shabby for a weak DL...In the top 10 for overall D....

[Hostile]

The skins were fourth against the run...Not to shabby for a weak DL...In the top 10 for overall D....Took you long enough to post.

:welcome:

[Sonny#9]

That kind of mental toughness will fit right in at Redskins Park. :rolleyes:

Yes, the mentally weak Redskins that repeatedly collapse down the stretch...:rolleyes:

[zrinkill]

Yes, the mentally weak Redskins that repeatedly collapse down the stretch...:rolleyes:

They have since 1991

[Menace212]

Don't remeber them falling apart last year with wins in Minn and gnats on the road....

Peterson was quoted as saying the skins D was the toughest in faced all year....27 yards...

[zrinkill]

Don't remeber them falling apart last year with wins in Minn and gnats on the road....

Peterson was quoted as saying the skins D was the toughest in faced all year....27 yards...

Did you boys win the Superbowl? Then you must have fell apart at the end of the year.

The last time you did not fall apart was in the season of 1991.

last time we did not was Jan 1996.