Shockey to Saints for 2nd and 5th rd picks *Merge*

[kilz]

The Giants have reportedly agreed to trade Jeremy Shockey to the Saints in exchange for second- and fifth-round picks.

Source: FOXSports.com
Related: Saints

[1fisher]

The Giants have reportedly agreed to trade Jeremy Shockey to the Saints in exchange for second- and fifth-round picks.

Source: FOXSports.com
Related: Saints


:pray: Let it be true! :laugh2:

[dueyhemlock]

[quote=kilz;2152011]The Giants have reportedly agreed to trade Jeremy Shockey to the Saints in exchange for second- and fifth-round picks.

Source: FOXSports.com
Related: Saints[/quote


I'm glad this is happening.

Somewhere, Roy is smiling.

[stasheroo]

:pray: Let it be true! :laugh2:


Roy, is that you?

:confused:

[Alexander]

This doesn't change much in terms of our competition with New York. Boss did fairly well in Shockey's absence last year, even though he's far from the receiving threat. It does make New Orleans more of a threat for the NFC title.

In a way, it is sad. I was looking forward to Shockey being a distraction and pain in Eli's behind.

[CrazyCowboy]

this will help the Saints big time.

[InmanRoshi]

Shockey in that Saints offense is going to be devestating if he can stay healthy.

Doesn't really hurt the Giants that much. Kevin Boss looked like a stud last year as a rookie.

[Boysboy]

As we all know-one of Shockey's big strengths are his run blocking to seal off the outside edges(which is one of the Giants' bread and butter).

Pt being that this also happens to be Reggie Bush's biggest strengths-running on the edges away from the tackles.

If the Saints get him, Bush could very well make the All Pro team.

[Boysboy]

Shockey in that Saints offense is going to be devestating if he can stay healthy.

Doesn't really hurt the Giants that much. Kevin Boss looked like a stud last year as a rookie.

That and like I mentioned above, he will open up holes on the outside edges for Reggie Bush.

[Alexander]

If the Saints get him, Bush could very well make the All Pro team.

I doubt it.

[DCBoysfan]

If true, this gives S. Payton another weapon to deploy in his offense.

[DR.WARE]

im really happy shockey is gone. Eventhough boss looked like a good player, shockey is a bigger threat then he is

[bootsy]

Finally a player is LEAVING the division. Are Westbrook or Shepard next? I hope.

[windward]

I'd dare say that this makes the Saints the prohibitive favorites in the South, and a pretty big threat to our NFC championship hopes.

[bootsy]

I'd dare say that this makes the Saints the prohibitive favorites in the South, and a pretty big threat to our NFC championship hopes.
I don't think so. Shockey improves them but they still have no defense and no running game unless Deuce runs like crazy after that injury. That division always has a surprise team. I wouldn't be so quick to mark them down for the division title just yet.

[Chief]

Jeremy Shockey is leaving New York.


The Giants agreed to trade the tight end to the New Orleans Saints for second- and fifth-round draft picks, according to a report on FOXSports.com. The deal is pending league approval, and Shockey must also pass a physical.


The Saints had offered the Giants the same deal for Shockey prior to April's draft but were rebuffed.

The Saints and Giants had also previously discussed a three-team trade in which the Giants would have landed former Miami Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor, who was traded to the Washington Redskins on Sunday, the Saints would have acquired Shockey and the Dolphins would have received draft picks, according to SI.com.

[Hostile]

Yeah, The big Easy and Bourbon Street are a good place for him.

:p:

[neosapien23]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks the Giants got the better end of the deal. Shockey cannot block and he seems to cry about it whenever asked to do so. There is no denying his receiving talent, but make no mistake about it.....Jeremy Shockey is overrated and is not worth the headaches he brings at this point.

[Chocolate Lab]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks the Giants got the better end of the deal. Shockey cannot block and he seems to cry about it whenever asked to do so. There is no denying his receiving talent, but make no mistake about it.....Jeremy Shockey is overrated and is not worth the headaches he brings at this point.

Nope, I'm with you.

People always want to look at offensive stats and ignore things like blocking, being a team player, not being a distraction, etc.

And I don't know why, but I just have a hunch Shockey will have trouble staying healthy the next few years. He is a blown-up WR, after all.

[Boysboy]

I don't think so. Shockey improves them but they still have no defense and no running game unless Deuce runs like crazy after that injury. That division always has a surprise team. I wouldn't be so quick to mark them down for the division title just yet.

Tampa - won't be them b/c as history shows, the team that wins this division one year stinks it up the next.

Atlanta - bottom feaders in the entire league, and always will be.

Carolina - despite a questionable D(their Dline isn't once what it used to be), they nonetheless have a pretty dangerous O(with a healthy Delhomme, Steve Smith, signing DJ Hackett, drafting Jonathan Stewart, and drafting Jeff Otah to bolster their OL). With their weak schedule, their O is good enough for 10-11 wins.

If anything-it'll likely be a 2 team race.

[Idgit]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks the Giants got the better end of the deal. Shockey cannot block and he seems to cry about it whenever asked to do so. There is no denying his receiving talent, but make no mistake about it.....Jeremy Shockey is overrated and is not worth the headaches he brings at this point.


You're probably alone in that, yeah.
They would have had a better deal if they'd taken this year's #2, if that's what was offered before the draft. Saints with Shockey can contend this year.

[Alexander]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks the Giants got the better end of the deal. Shockey cannot block and he seems to cry about it whenever asked to do so. There is no denying his receiving talent, but make no mistake about it.....Jeremy Shockey is overrated and is not worth the headaches he brings at this point.

Without a doubt. He is a huge headache and the more he talks the worse it is for everyone else. He is a big time player if he's quiet and works hard, as he did in his rookie season.

Perhaps he makes a turn-around in New Orleans with a different coach and quarterback, but it was fairly clear the environment for him in New York was not working out. It bears watching.

[Boysboy]

You're probably alone in that, yeah.
They would have had a better deal if they'd taken this year's #2, if that's what was offered before the draft. Saints with Shockey can contend this year.

Yep-while I don't think Martellus Bennett is actually a "bust" like most Zoners here think, the Giants nonetheless should have gotten a #2 from them in the last draft, and used that on Bennett. Why? B/c MB fits Coughlin's run-first schemes alot better.

[Da Hammer]

Shouldnt the Saints be trying to improve their garbage Defense??? anyway good trade for the giants getting rid of shockey and getting 2 draft picks for him

[AbeBeta]

Wow, a 2 and a 5. That's it?

Shockey may be an a** but he's a very very good player.

[Da Hammer]

Wow, a 2 and a 5. That's it?

Shockey may be an a** but he's a very very good player.
What more did you expect them to get? Randy Moss is twice the player shockey is and shockey probably has a worse attitude than moss and the raiders only got a freakin 4th for him. if you ask me the Giants were lucky that anyone was willing to offer what the Saints offered

[cowboyjoe]

just on nfl network, the trade of shockey to saints is complete for a 2nd and a 5th pick

now the guys were talking about one more pro bowler, being Farve, maybe that deal gets done now

which leads me to now with 2 pro bowlers traded for 2nd rounders and late picks, could chad johnson now be traded or roy williams wr for detroit or bouldin, that looks like the going rate now, 2nd and 5th or 6th rounder, what do you guys think?

[gbrittain]

just on nfl network, the trade of shockey to saints is complete for a 2nd and a 5th pick

now the guys were talking about one more pro bowler, being Farve, maybe that deal gets done now

which leads me to now with 2 pro bowlers traded for 2nd rounders and late picks, could chad johnson now be traded or roy williams wr for detroit or bouldin, that looks like the going rate now, 2nd and 5th or 6th rounder, what do you guys think?

See this is what I am talking about. This is almost the same trade the Skins made.

The Skins gave up a 2nd and 6th for a 34 year old guy.

The Saints gave up a 2nd and 5th for a 27 year old guy.

A 2nd for a 34 year old guy is way too much. The Skins overpaid, end of story.

Not to say it will not work out for the Skins, I am sure it could, but Dallas may not need a 2nd WR either because Stanbach may be the next Anquan Boldin...if you know what I mean.

[Boyzmamacita]

I think the Bengals and Lions want at least a 1st rounder for Chad and Roy, respectively.

As far as Shockey, I'm glad it's done so people can stop speculating. The Saints have added an idiot to their roster. If that idiot makes them better, good for them.

[Ren]

Xmas came early for Roy this year

[apickmans]

See this is what I am talking about. This is almost the same trade the Skins made.

The Skins gave up a 2nd and 6th for a 34 year old guy.

The Saints gave up a 2nd and 5th for a 27 year old guy.

A 2nd for a 34 year old guy is way too much. The Skins overpaid, end of story.

Not to say it will not work out for the Skins, I am sure it could, but Dallas may not need a 2nd WR either because Stanbach may be the next Anquan Boldin...if you know what I mean.

What a horrible comparison. Teams covet Pro Bowl pass rushing DEs a lot more than pro bowl TEs. Especially when that certain TE is a headcase. End of story.

[bbgun]

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[Sam I Am]

What a horrible comparison. Teams covet Pro Bowl pass rushing DEs a lot more than pro bowl TEs. Especially when that certain TE is a headcase. End of story.

What teams covet is defined by what they pay for them. Top DEs get more than top TEs, but I'm willing to bet, if Witten was a free agent, he would bring top dollar. Great teammate, a great pass catching TE that is a highly skilled blocker to boot. He is basically a top notch recevier that is less of a deep threat than the top notch receivers, but more versatile than the top notch receivers.

[apickmans]

What teams covet is defined by what they pay for them. Top DEs get more than top TEs, but I'm willing to bet, if Witten was a free agent, he would bring top dollar. Great teammate, a great pass catching TE that is a highly skilled blocker to boot. He is basically a top notch recevier that is less of a deep threat than the top notch receivers, but more versatile than the top notch receivers.

I agree about the Witten part. Hes a great TE, but the guy was talking about Shockey in his attempted compariso , not Witten. As far as what teams covet more, you let me know when the last time a TE went #1 overall.

[NewJCowboy]

The Saints just became more of a threat to the Cowboys Superbowl chances. They might have the best offense in the NFC now.

[DezBRomo9]

Can you name their starting WR's?

This offense will have to avoid injuries again, and they will have to put together a secondary somehow...

[big dog cowboy]

Party at Roy's house tonight!!!

[big dog cowboy]

Can you name their starting WR's?

WR1 Marques Colston (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8001) David Patten (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4172) Terrance Copper (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7109)
WR2 Lance Moore (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7544) Devery Henderson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6809) Robert Meachem (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8281)

[InmanRoshi]

The Saints are probably the team that scares me the most in the NFC. They got off to a rough start last year after high expectations, but that offense was steam rolling people by the end of the eyar. They've quietly did a really nice job retooling that defense this offseason with Sedric Ellis, Jonathon Vilma, Bobby McCray and Randall Gay. Just keeping Jason David off the field could win them 2 more games this year. He made Jacque Reeves look like Aneas Williams in his prime.

Shockey and Bush are going to be a nightmare to defend, just because because there is no telling where Payton is going to line them up and motion them to.

[InmanRoshi]

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/7168/10230610db6.jpg

I laughed.

[goliadmike]

Shouldnt the Saints be trying to improve their garbage Defense??? anyway good trade for the giants getting rid of shockey and getting 2 draft picks for him

I agree Da Hammer, but they did try to upgrade their defense. The Saints could be scary this year. They drafted Sed in the middle acquired Vilma at middle linebacker and brought in Gay at cornerback. If Vilma is healthy, Gay is able to cover, and Sed provides a good push in the middle plus help stop the run they will be a force in the NFC. Now they have Shockey to mix in with Brees, Golston, Macallister, and Bush I think they definitely upgraded on the offensive side. With all they have going for them they do have a lot of questions on offense and defense.

Will Vilma, Macallister, and Mckinzie return to 100% after their injuries? Will Gay work out or be another Jason David? Is Meachem a bust? Will Devery Henderson learn to catch? Will their offensive line run block better this year? Does the defense believe in Gary Gibb’s system? Those are a whole lot of questions that need to be answered for them to step up, but in their division and their schedule I think they have a very good chance to take the South and quite possibly position themselves for home field.

[InmanRoshi]

Can you name their starting WR's?

Could you name them last year when they had the 3rd ranked passing offense in the NFL, or the year before when they had the 1st ranked passing offense in the NFL?

[Dallas]

I doubt it.


Agreed. People are still hoping that Bush turns it around.


We'll see.

[ajk23az]

THANK GOD! Roy will once again look like Ronnie Lott!!! :D

[Hoofbite]

Can you name their starting WR's?

This offense will have to avoid injuries again, and they will have to put together a secondary somehow...

Their secondary isn't in bad shape. They got Kenny Phillips and Terrell Thomas. Aaron Ross is improving and Sam madison is steady.

Plus they always have Nelly McQuarters back there.

They Secondary is improved and it doesn't really need to be that great because they have a consistent pass rush. They may need someone to fill in for The Gap snaps and production wise to keep their balance.

The NFC East this year is looking like it isn't going to be a Joke at all. I am glad to see Shockey take a hike but they are still a capable team.

[1fisher]

Roy, is that you?

:confused:

:muttley:

[gbrittain]

What a horrible comparison. Teams covet Pro Bowl pass rushing DEs a lot more than pro bowl TEs. Especially when that certain TE is a headcase. End of story.

Horrible because you don't like it.

End of story...is you overpaid. Is he is better than Daniels? Who isn't would be my question?

Is he a good addition for you guys. Absolutely.

Could all work out for you guys in the end? Definitely.

Could you have just flushed a 2nd for a 34 year old guy who may not have much left in the tank? Absolutely.

Maybe you could explain why a Pro Bowl DE was available for a 2nd round pick and nobody had offered anything better until the Redskins were in a desperate situation because they just lost their starting DE for the season.?

You paid too much.

[Erik_H]

This doesn't change much in terms of our competition with New York. Boss did fairly well in Shockey's absence last year, even though he's far from the receiving threat. It does make New Orleans more of a threat for the NFC title.

In a way, it is sad. I was looking forward to Shockey being a distraction and pain in Eli's behind.

Exactly. This is a good move for the Giants and for the Saints. Shockey is better off on a team outside of NY and will probably produce more. The Giants chemistry will improve without Shockey there. Win-Win for them.

That means lose-lose for us. I hate everything about it.

[CATCH17]

Agreed. People are still hoping that Bush turns it around.


We'll see.


His back is not completely against the wall.

He had a very very nice rookie year. He killed us too when we played them.

He got injured last season. His only knock right now for me is can he recover from an injury.

When he steps on the field he draws a lot of attention. Teams wouldn't try to find him on every play if he wasnt a threat.

[apickmans]

Horrible because you don't like it.

End of story...is you overpaid. Is he is better than Daniels? Who isn't would be my question?

Is he a good addition for you guys. Absolutely.

Could all work out for you guys in the end? Definitely.

Could you have just flushed a 2nd for a 34 year old guy who may not have much left in the tank? Absolutely.

Maybe you could explain why a Pro Bowl DE was available for a 2nd round pick and nobody had offered anything better until the Redskins were in a desperate situation because they just lost their starting DE for the season.?

You paid too much.

Your comparison was horrible because it was just that, horrible. You pretty much were saying we paid too much because we gave up a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old while the Saints gave up a 2nd rounder for a 27 year old. Maybe you didnt mean for it to come out that way, but it did. A Pro Bowl DE was available because he was in Parcell's doghouse and there was a risk he was going to retire after one year. Parcells HAD to get something for him. JT has assured the Skins front office that he will at least play out his contract. If Taylor only plays for one season then yes I agree that we have paid too much.

[Sam I Am]

Your comparison was horrible because it was just that, horrible. You pretty much were saying we paid too much because we gave up a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old while the Saints gave up a 2nd rounder for a 27 year old. Maybe you didnt mean for it to come out that way, but it did. A Pro Bowl DE was available because he was in Parcell's doghouse and there was a risk he was going to retire after one year. Parcells HAD to get something for him. JT has assured the Skins front office that he will at least play out his contract. If Taylor only plays for one season then yes I agree that we have paid too much.

To say it and do it are two different things. He isn't binded to do that.

The point remains, to get a Pro Bowl DE for a second around pick speaks volumes about the situation. He didn't play as well last year, and he seems preoccupied of sorts. He like Tiki Barber, has made it clear he is looking at his future right NOW and the NFL isn't part of it. The only reason I believe he is playing this year is because there is no way he will make $8M in Hollywood.

In other words, "...get while the gettin's good!"

He is still a good player, you (and we) won't know what you actually got until the season is underway.

[gbrittain]

Your comparison was horrible because it was just that, horrible. You pretty much were saying we paid too much because we gave up a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old while the Saints gave up a 2nd rounder for a 27 year old. Maybe you didnt mean for it to come out that way, but it did. A Pro Bowl DE was available because he was in Parcell's doghouse and there was a risk he was going to retire after one year. Parcells HAD to get something for him. JT has assured the Skins front office that he will at least play out his contract. If Taylor only plays for one season then yes I agree that we have paid too much.

Put it this way. I don't see too many teams giving 2nd round picks out for 34 year old players.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe that is the going rate.

I am hardly comfortable with Dallas relying heavily on a 34 year old WR, much less if Dallas would have traded a 2nd and 6th for him.

Parcells did indeed have to get something from him. I just find it interesting that he found a taker as soon as you guys got into trouble at DE.

As you said earlier, Pro Bowl DE are at a premium. So no other takers for a 2nd and 6th for a Pro Bowl DE? Must be some catch? Maybe...because he is 34 years old (when the season starts).

There are several scenarios that I can envision in which this trade will "work out" for you guys.

However, if I were a gambling man...and I am not, I would put the odds that this is a very expensive band aid when it is all said and done.

[BraveHeartFan]

Ha ha! I can not wait for the idiot Giants fans who honestly think this move is the best for them in the long run find out that Boss isn't all that great an option.

I keep hearing about how much of a stud he was but tell me again how many passes he caught during the playoffs? 2? 3?

Oh yeah. MUCH better option.

HA HA!

[Hoofbite]

Horrible because you don't like it.

End of story...is you overpaid. Is he is better than Daniels? Who isn't would be my question?

Is he a good addition for you guys. Absolutely.

Could all work out for you guys in the end? Definitely.

Could you have just flushed a 2nd for a 34 year old guy who may not have much left in the tank? Absolutely.

Maybe you could explain why a Pro Bowl DE was available for a 2nd round pick and nobody had offered anything better until the Redskins were in a desperate situation because they just lost their starting DE for the season.?

You paid too much.

I disagree.

2nd round for a guy whose gonna give you about 12 sacks is not a bad trade. Prior to Ware in 2006, anyone have a clue how long it had been since Dallas had a double-digit sack player. I think, and this is just off the top of my head, it was like 10 years. Thats just for 10 sacks. I realize that part of that was crappy management, drafting and such but that just goes to show you how hard it is to find sack specialists.

If they get a couple years of his recent play, its a great deal.

[gbrittain]

Ha ha! I can not wait for the idiot Giants fans who honestly think this move is the best for them in the long run find out that Boss isn't all that great an option.

I keep hearing about how much of a stud he was but tell me again how many passes he caught during the playoffs? 2? 3?

Oh yeah. MUCH better option.

HA HA!

Yeah, I don't really believe in the addition by subtraction theory in this case.

[ConcordCowboy]

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:laugh2:

[gbrittain]

I disagree.

2nd round for a guy whose gonna give you about 12 sacks is not a bad trade. Prior to Ware in 2006, anyone have a clue how long it had been since Dallas had a double-digit sack player. I think, and this is just off the top of my head, it was like 10 years. Thats just for 10 sacks. I realize that part of that was crappy management, drafting and such but that just goes to show you how hard it is to find sack specialists.

If they get a couple years of his recent play, its a great deal.

Well...now I disagree. :D

A 2nd for a 34 year old guy who produced in the past, but is no guarantee for the future due to age, is a concern.

When football players start hitting 34 and 35 years of age the fall can come hard and fast.

If it is any consoloation to Skin fans, I worry about TO. I really do. I know he is in shape, but things start happening when you are that age in the NFL and it is not alway predicatable.

Having said that we have to roll with what we got. I sure would not be in favor of Dallas buying an insurance plan for TO that went something like this: Wide Out, Pro Bowl player, 34 years old, - Yours for a 2nd and a 6th

I know there are exceptions and we can talk about them all day long...Brett Favre just to get the ball rolling.

Again, I am not saying the Skins should be banished to football hell for this trade. Well they should be banished to football hell, but not for this trade.

I just don't think it is a "super smart" trade.

[DaBoys4Life]

This is going to help the Saints a lot and the Giants are stupid for this one.

[5Stars]

Wow, same story, different day!

First, Jason signs with the Skins and now they are a big threat to the Cowboys...woe is me!

Now, Shockey signs with the Saints and now they are a big threat to the Cowboys for the SuperBowl...on noze...woe is me!

There sure are alot of fraidy-cats on this board!

Maybe tomorrow the 49'ers will trade for a disgruntled player and then...."oh no! Now the 49'ers are gonna spoil the Superbowl for the Cowboys"...Help me, help me, help me..."!!!

Wow...


Live in fear, and fear will come your way!!

[CATCH17]

Ha ha! I can not wait for the idiot Giants fans who honestly think this move is the best for them in the long run find out that Boss isn't all that great an option.

I keep hearing about how much of a stud he was but tell me again how many passes he caught during the playoffs? 2? 3?

Oh yeah. MUCH better option.

HA HA!

I gotta disagree.

I think they will be a better TEAM longterm without Shockey.

He is just to big of an idiot and goes completely sour at the wrong times.

I wouldn't take Shockey over a lot of TE's in the NFL because of it.

His play isnt good enough to back up his baggage.

[AbeBeta]

What more did you expect them to get? Randy Moss is twice the player shockey is and shockey probably has a worse attitude than moss and the raiders only got a freakin 4th for him. if you ask me the Giants were lucky that anyone was willing to offer what the Saints offered

Moss was coming off a three year stretch where his BEST season was 60 catches. He had several nagging injuries over that period that sapped his speed add to that repeated accusations (and admissions) that he did not give 100% and you've got low value for a guy who had turned 30.

Shockey is 27 and was having an outstanding year before he got injured last year. His performance never slipped and he's younger. That's why his value is so much higher.

[UVAwahoos]

The Saints just became legitimate contenders. I have no clue why they started out so poorly last year, but they certainly did not finish that way.

[5Stars]

The Saints just became legitimate contenders. I have no clue why they started out so poorly last year, but they certainly did not finish that way.


I'm confused?

I thought that Jason Taylor going to the Skins made them legitimate contenders?



:confused:

:bang2:

[DezBRomo9]

I was talking about the Saints...

[Nexx]

i love it how one player is going to dramatically improve both the redskins and saints. from the sounds of things we might as well give up the season because the saints and redskins are gonna be in the nfc championship game.

[TheCount]

i love it how one player is going to dramatically improve both the redskins and saints. from the sounds of things we might as well give up the season because the saints and redskins are gonna be in the nfc championship game.

Neither one of those teams are bad, so stop trying to be so dramatic.

Shockey is a big addition to the Saints, he's the best TE they've had in nearly forever.

[bbgun]

Will somebody please explain to me why Shockey was so unhappy in NY? He's a rich, good looking guy playing for the Super Bowl champions in the world's #1 media market. How can New Orleans beat that? Some people are just determined to be miserable.

[juck]

Saints r gonna be a thorn in our side.I despise them more than most.

[UVAwahoos]

I'm confused?

I thought that Jason Taylor going to the Skins made them legitimate contenders?



:confused:

:bang2:


I'm pretty sure that I never said that about the Skins. They still have a lot of questions to address. The Saints team that destroyed us at Texas Stadium two seasons ago hasn't really changed much and just spent an entire offseason getting better. Obviously, we got better also, but I'm just hoping that our team doesn't have the same mentality that you have because when you start thinking you're the best without question, teams like the Giants come in and defeat you in the playoffs on your home turf. Ring a bell?

I really do hope our team is not as arrogant as some of the fans have become. Some people on this board consider it a huge sin to even mention that another team could present us with a challenge this season. If you're that blindly in love with Dallas, than get off this site and start petitioning to Goodell to put us in the Super Bowl right now since apparently it's a foregone conclusion that we're going to win the NFC.

[Boysboy]

Will somebody please explain to me why Shockey was so unhappy in NY? He's a rich, good looking guy playing for the Super Bowl champions in the world's #1 media market. How can New Orleans beat that? Some people are just determined to be miserable.

Coughlin's system is a run-first. Shockey was unhappy how he was used in the offense-he wanted to be involved in the passing game more, but was asked to block more than he wanted.

With Payton's pass-happy schemes, he'll be used very properly there. And Reggie Bush's numbers will go UP, thanks to Shockey's blocking abilities.

[Boysboy]

The Saints just became legitimate contenders. I have no clue why they started out so poorly last year, but they certainly did not finish that way.

A couple of reasons...

1) They overachieved in '06, and ended up thinking bringing back their same roster in '07 + merely adding depth would put them over the top. Mark Simoneau at MLB? Scott Shanle at WLB? Yeah-they played great in '06, but please...

2) Like Parcells would say, "They ate the cheese". With all the hype from all the national sports media in the offseason over how they would win the Super Bowl, it's obvious they believed every word of their own press clippings.

After all, after starting 0-4, they DID bounce back to win 4 in a row and got back into the swing of things...until they ate the cheese again.

With that being said-unlike last year, they made all the necessary upgrades on D. Their secondary is still a question mark, but they should still win 11-12 games.

[5Stars]

I'm pretty sure that I never said that about the Skins. They still have a lot of questions to address. The Saints team that destroyed us at Texas Stadium two seasons ago hasn't really changed much and just spent an entire offseason getting better. Obviously, we got better also, but I'm just hoping that our team doesn't have the same mentality that you have because when you start thinking you're the best without question, teams like the Giants come in and defeat you in the playoffs on your home turf. Ring a bell?

I really do hope our team is not as arrogant as some of the fans have become. Some people on this board consider it a huge sin to even mention that another team could present us with a challenge this season. If you're that blindly in love with Dallas, than get off this site and start petitioning to Goodell to put us in the Super Bowl right now since apparently it's a foregone conclusion that we're going to win the NFC.

I don't live in the past about what happened last year.

And as far as arrogant? No...I replace that with "confidence"! I don't do the crybaby crap that "on no! Taylor to the Skins...Shockey to the Saints...now what" crap!

I stay positive about the Cowboys...I don't worry about anyone else. But, if it frets your little mind? Hey, go for it! ;)

[bbgun]

Coughlin's system is a run-first. Shockey was unhappy how he was used in the offense-he wanted to be involved in the passing game more, but was asked to block more than he wanted.

With Payton's pass-happy schemes, he'll be used very properly there. And Reggie Bush's numbers will go UP, thanks to Shockey's blocking abilities.

Ah, so it's all about him and his needs, not necessarily winning. Jason Taylor left a losing team; Shockey has no such excuses.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Two things...

Are the saints for real or are they doomed to just be the same old snakebit saints they have always been with a year or two of hope and good teams that seem to cycle through there every so many years?

Secondly I ashamed of my fellow cowboys brethren for not posting what we will miss about shockey...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/BrAinPaiNt/shockeyshocked.gif

[5Stars]

Two things...

Are the saints for real or are they doomed to just be the same old snakebit saints they have always been with a year or two of hope and good teams that seem to cycle through there every so many years?

Secondly I ashamed of my fellow cowboys brethren for not posting what we will miss about shockey...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/BrAinPaiNt/shockeyshocked.gif

:laugh2: :lmao: :laugh1:



Down in New Orleans, he will be drunk the night before a game!

[Big Country]

THANK GOD! Roy will once again look like Ronnie Lott!!! :D

that might be stretching it a bit there...

I disagree.

2nd round for a guy whose gonna give you about 12 sacks is not a bad trade. Prior to Ware in 2006, anyone have a clue how long it had been since Dallas had a double-digit sack player. I think, and this is just off the top of my head, it was like 10 years. Thats just for 10 sacks. I realize that part of that was crappy management, drafting and such but that just goes to show you how hard it is to find sack specialists.

If they get a couple years of his recent play, its a great deal.


No doubt right there... It never hurts my feelings to get a pass rusher... I've seen so many fail tho which is just hard to watch.... Remember the Tony Brackens draft where we opted to drop out of the 1st and select Kavika Fireball Pittman??:(

I'm glad we seem to be developing some guys from the draft in these years... Ware and Spencer especially.

[AmishCowboy]

I would like to think with our Additions in the Secondary we are in much better shape to play the Saints.

[arync]

atleast we don't have to worry about Roy covering him this year

[dueyhemlock]

I would like to think with our Additions in the Secondary we are in much better shape to play the Saints.


That Nov. game against Payton's Saints, he had plenty of experience against Bill's/ours defense.

Now he'll have to game plan for somewhat of the unknown (weaknesses, tendences, play calling). He'll have only game film and not actual experience against our upgraded and new defensive scheme.

[saintlyagenda31]

Shouldnt the Saints be trying to improve their garbage Defense??? anyway good trade for the giants getting rid of shockey and getting 2 draft picks for him


Do you realize N.O. picked up Jonathon Vilma, Sedrick Ellis, Bobby McCray, Randall Gay, and Tracy Porter. All these players will greatly help the defense.

[GimmeTheBall!]

The Giants have reportedly agreed to trade Jeremy Shockey to the Saints in exchange for second- and fifth-round picks.

Source: FOXSports.com
Related: Saints

All the glee at this trade is for no good reason.
GiANTS don't need Shockey anymore.
And do you realize what a second and fifth-round picks could do for a team?
Giants got a good deal.

[Boysboy]

All the glee at this trade is for no good reason.
GiANTS don't need Shockey anymore.
And do you realize what a second and fifth-round picks could do for a team?
Giants got a good deal.

Shockey's also going to be an UFA after this season as well.

What are the chances of the Giants, or even the Saints for that matter, of giving him a long-term, lucrative deal to HIS tastes?

[Bob Sacamano]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks the Giants got the better end of the deal. Shockey cannot block and he seems to cry about it whenever asked to do so. There is no denying his receiving talent, but make no mistake about it.....Jeremy Shockey is overrated and is not worth the headaches he brings at this point.

Nope, I'm with you.

People always want to look at offensive stats and ignore things like blocking, being a team player, not being a distraction, etc.

And I don't know why, but I just have a hunch Shockey will have trouble staying healthy the next few years. He is a blown-up WR, after all.

good points, the both of ya, I also read that Shockey was such a pain in the butt about getting the ball, and it affected Eli

[Bob Sacamano]

I would like to think with our Additions in the Secondary we are in much better shape to play the Saints.

:hammer:

we have 5, very talented corners

not to mention Henry will be matching up w/ the premier TEs, which includes Shockey, and our pass-rush is awesome

[Boysboy]

:hammer:

we have 5, very talented corners

not to mention Henry will be matching up w/ the premier TEs, which includes Shockey, and our pass-rush is awesome

We also got one corner wisely in the draft(Jenkins, instead of getting that overrated WR Jackson), and got another in a bargain basement deal(Pacman). I'm glad we didn't break the bank on a system guy like Asante.

[Hostile]

Do you realize N.O. picked up Jonathon Vilma, Sedrick Ellis, Bobby McCray, Randall Gay, and Tracy Porter. All these players will greatly help the defense.:welcome: to The Zone.

I expect the Saints to win that division this year and I do think they've improved their Defense.

[Bob Sacamano]

We also got one corner wisely in the draft(Jenkins, instead of getting that overrated WR Jackson), and got another in a bargain basement deal(Pacman). I'm glad we didn't break the bank on a system guy like Asante.

Jenkins is #4 on the list, Jones, #3

I'm glad we didn't break the bank on a zone-cover guy (Asante) too, since it seems we'll be having our corners play alot of man this year, thankfully