Vinny Cerrato of the Skins...

[Fletch]

Jason is healthy enough to honor his two remaining years of his origninal contract (Dolphins) with the Redskins. Then cited that Jason could very well play longer with the Skins. News or not?

Personally, I could care less. Bring Dancing Boy on. Flozell, if he plays like he should, will shut his arse down.

[5Stars]

Jason is healthy enough to honor his two remaining years of his origninal contract (Dolphins) with the Redskins. Then cited that Jason could very well play longer with the Skins. News or not?

Personally, I could care less. Bring Dancing Boy on. Flozell, if he plays like he should, will shut his arse down.


Did I hear that Jason is going to play the opposite side of Flozell? I thought I heard something like that...the Skins are going to switch him? Or....do I just don't know what the heck I'm talking about?

:confused:

[AsthmaField]

Did I hear that Jason is going to play the opposite side of Flozell? I thought I heard something like that...the Skins are going to switch him? Or....do I just don't know what the heck I'm talking about?

:confused:


Taylor is light and not great against the run, so the right DE position is where he fits. Unfortunately for the Redskins, Andre Carter is even worse against the run, so he will have to stay at RDE and Taylor will have to play LDE on the strongside.

On pass plays, Colombo might have some trouble with Taylor, however on run plays... the TE and Colombo are going to wear Taylor's arse out.

He's going to be sick of Barber by the 4th.

[5Stars]

Taylor is light and not great against the run, so the right DE position is where he fits. Unfortunately for the Redskins, Andre Carter is even worse against the run, so he will have to stay at RDE and Taylor will have to play LDE on the strongside.

On pass plays, Colombo might have some trouble with Taylor, however on run plays... the TE and Colombo are going to wear Taylor's arse out.

He's going to be sick of Barber by the 4th.


Thanks...that's what I thought I read.
;)

It's all in the game plan on how to eliminate Taylor...that is why I don't have the FEAR that other Cowboy fans have about this move. I bet that when the Boyz play the Stinks they run at Jason constantly during the first half until his bad azzz is thinking, "why did I come to the Redskins for this abuse"?

[CrazyCowboy]

Adams shut him down last yr,

[5Stars]

Adams shut him down last yr,


Really? Wow, never heard that one!

:confused:














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[Mansta54]

Really? Wow, never heard that one!

:confused:













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:lmao2: That cat kills me. He does have a impressive post count tho.:lmao2:

[5Stars]

:lmao2: That cat kills me. He does have a impressive post count tho.:lmao2:



Nice post. Please post again.

[AsthmaField]

Thanks...that's what I thought I read.
;)

It's all in the game plan on how to eliminate Taylor...that is why I don't have the FEAR that other Cowboy fans have about this move. I bet that when the Boyz play the Stinks they run at Jason constantly during the first half until his bad azzz is thinking, "why did I come to the Redskins for this abuse"?


At left DE, Strahan was much more problematic for Dallas than Taylor will be. Strahan is a very good pass rusher, just like Taylor... but he's WAY better against the run than Taylor ever could be.

If we have to have one of those guys in the East, I'd rather it be Jason Taylor.

We should be fine playing against him. If he starts giving Colombo problems in the pass game, we'll just get the TE to help out some in pass protection. However, who is going to help Taylor out when Garrett calls a strongside run and Colombo locks on to his skinny arse?

"Excuse me Mr. Taylor... would you like some bacon with that pancake"? :D

[Mansta54]

Nice post. Please post again.

You have to agree, he gets straight to the point. No beating around the bush for that guy... Check his post count....:lmao2:

[Yakuza Rich]

Taylor will be playing the strongside, so Colombo has to shut him down.





YAKUZA

[5Stars]

At left DE, Strahan was much more problematic for Dallas than Taylor will be. Strahan is a very good pass rusher, just like Taylor... but he's WAY better against the run than Taylor ever could be.

If we have to have one of those guys in the East, I'd rather it be Jason Taylor.

We should be fine playing against him. If he starts giving Colombo problems in the pass game, we'll just get the TE to help out some in pass protection. However, who is going to help Taylor out when Garrett calls a strongside run and Colombo locks on to his skinny arse?

"Excuse me Mr. Taylor... would you like some bacon with that pancake"? :D


Exactely!!! ;) And with the pulling guard? Oh ****tt....Taylor is going to be outta there!

Taylor to the RedSkins actually means nothing to me. But, to other Cowboy fans...."on noez....we are in trouble....no, no , no ...mamma!"


;)

[BraveHeartFan]

I'm really not worried about the pass rush he might bring there. Their D-Line isn't much better, if it even is, than Miami's and he didn't do anything against us last year when we played the Dolphins. He has no one in Washington to take the pressure off him so Marc will have no trouble getting a little extra help from a runningback.

It's still an upgrade for the Skins but it won't do anything dramatic in terms of what we'll be able to do against their defense.

[Sammemphis]

Don't care about the Skins? I think everyone needs to get off their high-horse and think about the facts. The Skins almost beat us at home last year and spanked us in DC. Maybe having Taylor on defense means they beat us at home and spanke us in DC. Ever think of that?

[Bob Sacamano]

Taylor will be playing the strongside, so Colombo has to shut him down.





YAKUZA

that's the side I run to when playing the skins, even though Colombo is merely average run-blocking

he'll wear down Taylor though, neutralizing that pass-rush he brings

[bbailey423]

the skins we extend his contract before the end of the season or at seasons end....they cannot afford to take the 8m cap hit he will bring next year....the only reason they could this year is because they did not spend any money in free agency. He will probably get a 4 year extension next year and play 3 of them

[Sonny#9]

He has no one in Washington to take the pressure off him so Marc will have no trouble getting a little extra help from a runningback.

It's still an upgrade for the Skins but it won't do anything dramatic in terms of what we'll be able to do against their defense.

Did everyone forget Andre Carter had 10.5 sacks and 55 total tackles last year?

As far as the rush defense -- the Redskins were #4 in Rush defense, and #3 in YPC. So I really don't know where you're getting how easy it's going to be to run on the Redskins next year.

Also, ok, so, Flozell Adams had one good game against Taylor -- The Skins held Barber to 43 total yards last year -- does that mean he's never going to run well against us?

[Hostile]

Don't care about the Skins? I think everyone needs to get off their high-horse and think about the facts. The Skins almost beat us at home last year and spanked us in DC. Maybe having Taylor on defense means they beat us at home and spanke us in DC. Ever think of that?:welcome: to The Zone

It is okay to confess if you are a Skins fan. Not saying you are, but that's a strange first post if you aren't.

[1fisher]

Don't care about the Skins? I think everyone needs to get off their high-horse and think about the facts. The Skins almost beat us at home last year and spanked us in DC. Maybe having Taylor on defense means they beat us at home and spanke us in DC. Ever think of that?


Welcome..... I think???:(


You from Memphis, TN?

[1fisher]

Did everyone forget Andre Carter had 10.5 sacks and 55 total tackles last year?

As far as the rush defense -- the Redskins were #4 in Rush defense, and #3 in YPC. So I really don't know where you're getting how easy it's going to be to run on the Redskins next year.

Also, ok, so, Flozell Adams had one good game against Taylor -- The Skins held Barber to 43 total yards last year -- does that mean he's never going to run well against us?


Yea and that was with Greg Williams calling the shots on "D".... how will that change this season with a new d-coord?


Too many questions, Sonny!

[dargonking999]

He may be healthy now, but lets see how healthy he is at the end of the season, when he realizes just how bad the skins suck

[Sonny#9]

Yea and that was with Greg Williams calling the shots on "D".... how will that change this season with a new d-coord?


Too many questions, Sonny!

Honestly, very little is going to change on defense. Greg Blanche moves from "Defensive Coordinator/D-line Coach" to Defensive Coordinator. John Palermo steps in a D-line coach. All other coaches, as well as the system, remain in place.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yea and that was with Greg Williams calling the shots on "D".... how will that change this season with a new d-coord?


Too many questions, Sonny!

I'd be far more worried if Blache had not been a d-coordinator earlier this decade with the Bears and did not produce a top 10 defense there as well. Oh he also was a coach with the Skins last year

Not really worried about coaching. More worried about if McIntosh and Rogers can come back and play at a high level. Those 2 guys are huge question marks as far as I am concerned

[Skinsmaniac]

I'd be far more worried if Blache had not been a d-coordinator earlier this decade with the Bears and did not produce a top 10 defense there as well. Oh he also was a coach with the Skins last year

Not really worried about coaching. More worried about if McIntosh and Rogers can come back and play at a high level. Those 2 guys are huge question marks as far as I am concerned
Blache's record with the Bears isn't very good. I think the loss of Williams will hurt. We'll still be a better-than-average defense, but I don't expect to be top 5 anymore.

[Hostile]

Blache's record with the Bears isn't very good. I think the loss of Williams will hurt. We'll still be a better-than-average defense, but I don't expect to be top 5 anymore.I'll go out on a limb and say you'll rank between 12th and 18th. Growing pains.

[dargonking999]

I'll go out on a limb and say you'll rank between 12th and 18th. Growing pains.

That aint a limb

i'll go out on a real limb, and say there defense falls all the way to bottom 10.

[Bob Sacamano]

Honestly, very little is going to change on defense. Greg Blanche moves from "Defensive Coordinator/D-line Coach" to Defensive Coordinator. John Palermo steps in a D-line coach. All other coaches, as well as the system, remain in place.

nothing much will change on D other than you getting weaker on the line in defending against the run

the line stopping the run, and clogging up lanes, was a big part of your defense's success

[SkinsHokieFan]

I'll go out on a limb and say you'll rank between 12th and 18th. Growing pains.

Wouldn't surprise me at all, considering you have 3 starters from last season's opener either not 100 percent or dead

Jason Taylor will have an impact on the pass rush, and despite everyone's opinion here, will play just fine against the run. Your boy Laron Landry will be a year better

Will that make up for 3 starters (who each had pretty good seasons up to the point they were playing), well I am not too sure

[Bizwah]

nothing much will change on D other than you getting weaker on the line in defending against the run

the line stopping the run, and clogging up lanes, was a big part of your defense's success

This is true.....and Williams was great at calling run and pass blitzes.

The Skin's defense reminds me of the ones we had early in the decade. We always were near the top statistically. But it wasn't really dominating. We didn't produce sacks or turnovers.

We just didn't really dominate games....we simply slowed it down.

[AtlCB]

I actually don't see how this works for the Deadskins. Both of their defensive ends will be a little over 250 lbs. Teams are going to run all over them!

[Sonny#9]

I actually don't see how this works for the Deadskins. Both of their defensive ends will be a little over 250 lbs. Teams are going to run all over them!

Really? The loss of one player is going to transform a unit that held the #1 rushing team in the league last year to 76 yards to a defense that teams are going to "run all over?" How so?

I didn't realize Phillip Daniels was so special! Silly me!

[Mansta54]

Really? The loss of one player is going to transform a unit that held the #1 rushing team in the league last year to 76 yards to a defense that teams are going to "run all over?" How so?

I didn't realize Phillip Daniels was so special! Silly me!

You're really underestimating the importance of GW. He was absolute key to your D. He was extremely aggressive, intellegent, and knew how to compensate for your weaknesses. GW had the utmust respect from his defensive players and the entire team, that was even more obvious from the disappointment of the players when he wasn't choosen as HC. Well, he's now in Jacksonville. HUGE loss for your defense!!! I don't care how long Blache coached under GW or if yall are running virtually the same D as GW or not, BLACHE ISN'T GW. PERIOD!!!!!!

Your secondary will get beat like a drum. Springs, your best CB is old, injury prone and we saw how TO just flatout ABUSED him in BIG D. Rogers is coming off major knee surgery and actually sucks even when healthy, Smuut is avg at best. Landry is very good and aggressive but has to stop making boneheaded personal fouls in crucial situations. Kid has game though. Hell, I don't even know your other safety, Dougherty or something like that. The death of ST, may he R.I.P., makes your secondary avg at best.

Your LB's are in trouble too. Fletcher, who is very good is what, 65yrs old. McIntosh is coming off major surgery and Washington is getting old and stays hurt as well. His play dropped off last year too.

Your Dline scares nobody and thats with a 34yr old JT who has one foot in retirement and headed to Hollywood. Both him and Carter are light in the arse and will get pushed around in the physical NFC East. Pop in the tape of the Boyz n Miami last year and watch BIG Flo absolutely DOMINATE JT. He's gonna find out real quick that the NFC East is much more physical then the AFC. The loss of GW and the issues that I just listed are major and will be devastating to your D this year. I'm sure you'll disagree and thats cool but just be around during the season. It's gonna be fun, I can't wait!!!:laugh2: Oh yeah, by the way,:suxskins: .

[Aikmaniac]

I'd really like to see a Taylor vs. Emmitt dance off. The Skins-Boys rivalry would reach new heights.

[Chocolate Lab]

Okay, question. Why would the Skins move Taylor to the left side rather than the far inferior and bigger Carter?

Maybe even though he's bigger, Carter is worse against the run?

[Sonny#9]

Okay, question. Why would the Skins move Taylor to the left side rather than the far inferior and bigger Carter?

Maybe even though he's bigger, Carter is worse against the run?

Carter had 55 tackles last year -- so I don't think he's as horrible as some say.

This was posted on Redskins.com by Gary Fitzgerald:

During 2-minutte drills, Jason Taylor came in for a series on the first-team defense and lined up at right defensive end.

Later, Andre Carter was lined up at right defensive end with the first-team defense.


What does this mean?


Defensive coordinator Greg Blache may use Taylor and Carter at different spots on the line, depending on the offensive formation and the situation.


That's what Taylor offers: the versatility to create mismatches.

[AsthmaField]

Really? The loss of one player is going to transform a unit that held the #1 rushing team in the league last year to 76 yards to a defense that teams are going to "run all over?" How so?

I didn't realize Phillip Daniels was so special! Silly me!


Not only are you underestimating what Gregg Williams meant to your team... but you are also overestimating your own defense.

I watched the Washington/Minn game last year and T. Jackson was just atrocious in that game. He literally couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that night. Their coach was so frustrated, I thought he might pull out what little hair he had. Jackson threw INT's from the get-go and he was afraid to let him even throw it after a while.

When a team has a QB like that... who is off as bad as he was that night... then any good defensive coordinator will line up 9 men in the box and stop ANY running back. And Gregg Williams is way better than just good. Peterson didn't have a chance in that game.

Give Minn a decent QB in that game and there's no way you guys stop Peterson.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Incredible that Gregg (second G for genius) is now hailed as a defensive mastermind on this board after 4 years of bashing here :)

GW was terrific for our D, and Blache will be just fine as well. GW's biggest issue was his utter inability to adjust (See the Pats game) mid game. If the originial game plan wasn't working, well the D was gonna get shredded.

His credibility took a major hit after the 2006 campaign where the D was atrocious

But nice that some Cowboy fans here can give a Redskin coach some credit, I am actually pleasently surprised

[SkinsHokieFan]

Give Minn a decent QB in that game and there's no way you guys stop Peterson.

Give the Redskins a decent safety against the Cowboys in November, and there is no way TO has 4 TD's.

Give Tony Romo stickem, and there is no way he fumbles away a FG

Give Dan Marino a decent running back in the 1980s, and there is no way he goes winless in the Superbowl

See how absurd your comment is? Tavaris Jackson was the Vikings weakness, and the Redskins D took advantage of that

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't remember anyone ever bashing Gregg Williams. Everyone knew he was a very good coach.

[Hostile]

I don't remember anyone ever bashing Gregg Williams. Everyone knew he was a very good coach.I agree. He and Jim Johnson have my respect as top notch DCs, and the Giants guy is getting there quickly. IMO, the loss of Gregg Williams will be the Redskins Achilles heel in 2008.

[SkinsHokieFan]

You're really underestimating the importance of GW. He was absolute key to your D. He was extremely aggressive, intellegent, and knew how to compensate for your weaknesses. GW had the utmust respect from his defensive players and the entire team, that was even more obvious from the disappointment of the players when he wasn't choosen as HC. Well, he's now in Jacksonville. HUGE loss for your defense!!! I don't care how long Blache coached under GW or if yall are running virtually the same D as GW or not, BLACHE ISN'T GW. PERIOD!!!!!!

.

Man I wonder how you felt about Williams 8 months ago? Of course if he had the "utmost respect" of the defense, articles like this would not come out, would they:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2672668

Some highlights of our most respected leader (according to Cowboy fans)

But it was a blind confidence, and when Pierce became a free agent after the 2004 season, and talks began to stall, Williams, according to Redskins sources, claimed Pierce was "replaceable." It was the first hint of arrogance under the new Gibbs regime, a sense that Williams felt it was his system, not the players, that dominated offenses. Cornerback Fred Smoot was also a free agent at the time, and again, Williams felt Smoot was expendable, even though losing a starting linebacker and a starting corner would necessitate an extensive defensive overhaul.Well, that was power, and when it came time to recruit prospective free agents, Williams was heard bragging that he made more money than the head coaches he was recruiting against, that he carried more lumber than some head coaches in the league. Whether it was true or not, he believed it, and the players believed it, and that's how this all started heading downhill.
The problem, according to a notable Redskins player, is a scheme, a staff and a play-calling regimen that is flawed and predictable, and a sense that Williams is on too much of a power trip to adjust."Why are we the 30th defense in the league? I think coaches got arrogant, I think Gregg got arrogant," the player said Tuesday, asking not to be identified. "They thought they figured it all out. They thought, 'We can win with scheme, we don't need players.' Don't be mistaken, this is a player-driven game, and so you need players. Any time in life when somebody thinks they've got it all figured out, it's going to come and get you. It's going to come and get you … the sentiment is a lot of guys are mad because the coaches think it's all about them. They think they're f------ geniuses, thinking they can just let guys go and get away with handling people badly." Williams, in the meantime, has not backed off of calling the Cover 2, perhaps out of stubbornness. And the rest of the league has clearly caught on.
"Guys are saying teams have figured Gregg out, his M.O.," the Redskins defender said. "They know he's going to play the run with Cover 2. They know he's going to come and blitz [leaving corners on an island] on third down, and none of our blitzes are getting there anymore. We're trying to get too cute, we're trying to reinvent the wheel, instead of understanding what wins football games.
Should I post anymore of the utmostly respected leader?

Now to GW's credit, he adjusted very well last year, utilized Sean Taylor perfectly and turned that ship around from the disaster of 2006. I certainly thought he was a terrific D-coordinator and was sorry to see him go, but he wasn't going to stay as a d-coordinator. But to think losing GW will cause this D to fall into the lower ten defenses in the NFL, is simply wishful thinking on your part

[AsthmaField]

Give the Redskins a decent safety against the Cowboys in November, and there is no way TO has 4 TD's.

Give Tony Romo stickem, and there is no way he fumbles away a FG

Give Dan Marino a decent running back in the 1980s, and there is no way he goes winless in the Superbowl

See how absurd your comment is? Tavaris Jackson was the Vikings weakness, and the Redskins D took advantage of that


Then you guys shouldn't brag about shutting down Peterson. Just like I wouldn't brag about TO beating Doughty.

Nearly any defense could shut down any running back if they didn't have to worry about the pass at all. And really, how often will that happen? Not very. There are just a few QB's in the NFL that are as inept as Jackson... and one of those is Washington's QB, so your defense will never get to face him.

[AsthmaField]

I agree. He and Jim Johnson have my respect as top notch DCs, and the Giants guy is getting there quickly. IMO, the loss of Gregg Williams will be the Redskins Achilles heel in 2008.

I have always said that Gregg Williams is one of the best coordinators around. Head coach? I don't know about that... but the guy can coach defense with anyone.

I've said that ever since he went to DC. I've even said that on Redskin boards.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Then you guys shouldn't brag about shutting down Peterson. Just like I wouldn't brag about TO beating Doughty.

Nearly any defense could shut down any running back if they didn't have to worry about the pass at all. And really, how often will that happen? Not very. There are just a few QB's in the NFL that are as inept as Jackson... and one of those is Washington's QB, so your defense will never get to face him.

Point being, how was Peterson running before the Redskins game?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8261

He had 116 yards 2 weeks before against Detroit on 15 carries

78 yards on 20 carries the week before against Chicago

And 296 yards on 30 carries a few weeks earlier against a very talented San Diego D

Who was the QB during those games, and why did the Redskins D stop him?

[Hostile]

I have always said that Gregg Williams is one of the best coordinators around. Head coach? I don't know about that... but the guy can coach defense with anyone.

I've said that ever since he went to DC. I've even said that on Redskin boards.I am picking Jacksonville over the Colts in that Division and he is a large part of the reason why. That Defense was already very good. With some of his schemes they have no excuse not to be among the top 5 in 2008.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I don't remember anyone ever bashing Gregg Williams. Everyone knew he was a very good coach.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84754

Bashing? No

The gushing that I am seeing in this thread for Gregg Williams. Certainly not

Staying on topic, the defense collapsing from number 8 to the low 20s is not my concern this season, and a drop off to the mid teens will not be due to coaching, but more so due to if Rogers and McIntosh are unable to return to form, and Reed Doughty proves to be what I think he is, a very good special teams player and a marginal SS at best

[AsthmaField]

He had 116 yards 2 weeks before against Detroit on 15 carries

Detroit? Really?

78 yards on 20 carries the week before against Chicago

Chicago? In 2007? Really? Did you even notice how poorly their defense played last season?

And 296 yards on 30 carries a few weeks earlier against a very talented San Diego D

The key prhase here would be, "A few weeks earlier". In the early part of the season, the San Diego defense was having serious trouble switching from Wade Phillips scheme over to their current coordinator's schemes. They played it completely differently than they did under Phillips and it took them half a season to figure it out. Remember how upset Merriman was and how little of an impact he was having?

Teams also figured out how better to play against Minn. offense later in the year. As the season wore on, it became evident that in order to stop Minn. you had to stop Peterson. It also became evident that Jackson wasn't going to beat anyone with his arm. By the time the Wash/Minn game rolled around, Williams knew what he had to do.

Can you imagine Williams trying to stop Jackson and leaving seven guys in the box for Peterson? Me either. AD ran against 8 and 9 man fronts all night. You SHOULD have stopped him.

Like I said, I watched that game. Jackson was off... even for him. He was throwing up INT's like candy to kids and their coach pulled way back on the throws he would let Jackson even attempt.

However, Peterson is a very good back and will get a lot of yards regardless. You should be happy that your team stopped him because they had to in order to win.

[Mansta54]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84754

Bashing? No

The gushing that I am seeing in this thread for Gregg Williams. Certainly not

Staying on topic, the defense collapsing from number 8 to the low 20s is not my concern this season, and a drop off to the mid teens will not be due to coaching, but more so due to if Rogers and McIntosh are unable to return to form, and Reed Doughty proves to be what I think he is, a very good special teams player and a marginal SS at best

Anybody who follows football closely knows that GW was a damn good defensive man long before he came to DC. Nobody here is gushing over him, just giving props to him. Again, he is a HUGE loss regardless to you admitting it or not.

And do you really want Rogers to return to form? He has sucked from day 1. What form are you talking about?

[cowboys2233]

They were talking about the Taylor trade on Sirius yesterday morning and Carl Banks, former bad *** linebacker of the Giants, said that Taylor was going to see a whole different kind of power running than he was used to.

Carl was not convinced Taylor would be able to man up. I tend to agree. The AFC East is one thing, but you better bring your hard hat and lunch box if you're going to stop the run in the NFC East.

[Mansta54]

They were talking about the Taylor trade on Sirius yesterday morning and Carl Banks, former bad *** linebacker of the Giants, said that Taylor was going to see a whole different kind of power running than he was used to.

Carl was not convinced Taylor would be able to man up. I tend to agree. The AFC East is one thing, but you better bring your hard hat and lunch box if you're going to stop the run in the NFC East.

Maaaan I've been trying to point out this very issue to those Foreskin trolls who come to our board with that nonsense they talk.. They'll see tho, hope they're still around during the season...

[AtlCB]

Really? The loss of one player is going to transform a unit that held the #1 rushing team in the league last year to 76 yards to a defense that teams are going to "run all over?" How so?

I didn't realize Phillip Daniels was so special! Silly me!

Daniels wasn't that special. My point is that Jason Taylor simply isn't a stong side DE. He is too small and isn't the greatest against the run. Now that you have two undersized DE's, which one are you planning on helping in the running game?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Anybody who follows football closely knows that GW was a damn good defensive man long before he came to DC. Nobody here is gushing over him, just giving props to him. Again, he is a HUGE loss regardless to you admitting it or not.

And do you really want Rogers to return to form? He has sucked from day 1. What form are you talking about?

http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/07/17/just-how-good-were-the-redskins-dbs-last-year/

Carlos Rogers
When I referred to Rogers as the “X factor of the 2007 Redskins”, I had no idea that he would perform so well, and yet, have his season shortened by half.
Rogers, in seven games, was targeted 37 times by opposing QBs (not enough to qualify for the leader’s rankings), and posted a 66% stop rate, and gave up a stingy 5.7 Y/A against. That stop rate was the best in the entire NFL, and had he qualified for it, that 5.7 Y/A against would have ranking him as a top 5 corner in the NFL, just behind Nnamdi Asomugha and Champ Bailey.
The fact that his season was cut short means you have to take those statistics with a grain of salt regarding Rogers: perhaps given more time in the lineup, those would have evened out. Additionally, we may never see Rogers perform at this level again, being that he’s coming off major knee surgery.
But at the very least, Gregg Williams is off the hook for that draft pick. Rogers has clearly shaken the bust label, and although he may never play at this level again, he should become a fixture in the starting lineup for years to come.

[SkinsHokieFan]

They were talking about the Taylor trade on Sirius yesterday morning and Carl Banks, former bad *** linebacker of the Giants, said that Taylor was going to see a whole different kind of power running than he was used to.

Carl was not convinced Taylor would be able to man up. I tend to agree. The AFC East is one thing, but you better bring your hard hat and lunch box if you're going to stop the run in the NFC East.

Expect a lot of Demetric Evans in the DE rotation, he is bigger and a quality DE to give Taylor breaks and play in obvious running situations

This is not really a big worry of mine

[SkinsHokieFan]

And it looks like the days of the 10 plus yard cushions are over

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/07/prepractice_ramblings.html#more

The Redskins have been playing a lot of press-man coverage with their corners early in camp, more than what seemed to be the norm. Playing man is nothing new around here, but there was no cushion being given at all. Fred Smoot and Shawn Springs, the starting corners, have loved it, 'cuz now they're even closer to the WRs to beat them up a bit and also to ensure all of their smack talk is audible.

Smoot said he expects the team to play a ton of it this season, and that CB Coach Jerry Gray is stressing press technique. I asked Jim Zorn if the prevalence of the coverage was just to give the offense that look in practice, and he said, no, that he figured the Redskins would be a pressing team. Not 100 percent of the time, of course, but given the size and skills of their corner, the enhanced pass rush with Jason Taylor and the presence of a ball-hawk, head-hunter like LaRon Landry behind the corners at safety, it makes a lot of sense.

The CBs have to get a solid jam on the WRs and derail them from their route - within the ever-shrinking legal limits of doing so - and it's definitely a high-gamble tactic (if the corner whiffs you've got a streaking WR going deep all alone), but it can be smothering if done properly. Makes for some fun battles during 11-on-11s as well, especially when the kid WRs are out there.

Other Stuff: Demetric Evans is 10 pounds heavier than a year ago and is looking very sharp thus far. If he keeps this up, he will find his way into the rotation at DE - perhaps more on the left side on running downs and to spell Jason Taylor - as well as coming up the gut as an interior pass rusher. Zorn envisions getting Erasmus James into the mix - his injury permitting - to give the Skins a very capable four-man DE rotation (along with starting RE Andre Carter) .

[redskins1]

Don't care about the Skins? I think everyone needs to get off their high-horse and think about the facts. The Skins almost beat us at home last year and spanked us in DC. Maybe having Taylor on defense means they beat us at home and spanke us in DC. Ever think of that?

man that doesn't make sense..stop it!;)

[Skinsmaniac]

Everyone seems to be saying that Carter is a liability in the run game, but I thought he was fairly stout. I have no idea what Jason Taylor is like.

[Mansta54]

Everyone seems to be saying that Carter is a liability in the run game, but I thought he was fairly stout. I have no idea what Jason Taylor is like.

Not according to BMitch and Doc Walker. When you guys signed JT, on both their shows they pointed out how poor Carter was against the run. Infact, they were talking about how light in the arse that both guys are. That's your Ex players saying that. That was a HUGE concern for BMitch, he spoke on it at length.

[AmishCowboy]

What's Taylor's size as Compared to Trent Cole, Jason Hatcher and Osi U, I bet it's pretty close.

[AmishCowboy]

How do the Reskins LB's stack up size and talent wise with the rest of the NFC East?.

[cowboys2233]

"Smoot said he expects the team to play a ton of it this season, and that CB Coach Jerry Gray is stressing press technique. I asked Jim Zorn if the prevalence of the coverage was just to give the offense that look in practice, and he said, no, that he figured the Redskins would be a pressing team. Not 100 percent of the time, of course, but given the size and skills of their corner, the enhanced pass rush with Jason Taylor and the presence of a ball-hawk, head-hunter like LaRon Landry behind the corners at safety, it makes a lot of sense."

Yes, that tends to work well against Terrell Owens...NOT!

Oh, and newsflash: Fred Smoot blows like a hurricane. Talent?

[Mansta54]

What's Taylor's size as Compared to Trent Cole, Jason Hatcher and Osi U, I bet it's pretty close.

Its damn close, all of them are lightweights and non of them did a damn thing against us. Osi had 1 decent qrt in that playoff game against us and that was it. JT and Cole did absolutely nothing with BIG Flo and our Oline..

[cowboys2233]

Its damn close, all of them are lightweights and non of them did a damn thing against us. Osi had 1 decent qrt in that playoff game against us and that was it. JT and Cole did absolutely nothing with BIG Flo and our Oline..


Cole looked like a little smurf lined up against Flozell. It was hilarious. I'm surprised Flozell didn't just eat him and be done with it.

[Mansta54]

"Smoot said he expects the team to play a ton of it this season, and that CB Coach Jerry Gray is stressing press technique. I asked Jim Zorn if the prevalence of the coverage was just to give the offense that look in practice, and he said, no, that he figured the Redskins would be a pressing team. Not 100 percent of the time, of course, but given the size and skills of their corner, the enhanced pass rush with Jason Taylor and the presence of a ball-hawk, head-hunter like LaRon Landry behind the corners at safety, it makes a lot of sense."

Yes, that tends to work well against Terrell Owens...NOT!

Oh, and newsflash: Fred Smoot blows like a hurricane. Talent?

Oh I hope they press.. Their secondary will be terrible. Springs is OLD and we saw him cover TO in BIG D, Smuut is avg at best and has to grab alot, and Rogers is coming off MAJOR knee surgery, Landry is good, and their other safety isn't even worth mentioning. Yeah, I hope they press... Onother 4 TD's for TO...

[5Stars]

Cole looked like a little smurf lined up against Flozell. It was hilarious. I'm surprised Flozell didn't just eat him and be done with it.


Flozell does not eat crap!

:D

[Mansta54]

Cole looked like a little smurf lined up against Flozell. It was hilarious. I'm surprised Flozell didn't just eat him and be done with it.

He did eat him up and shut him completely out.. Osi did a interview for ESPN and said that BIG Flo was the toughtest OT he has faced in his career..

[redskins1]

Oh I hope they press.. Their secondary will be terrible. Springs is OLD and we saw him cover TO in BIG D, Smuut is avg at best and has to grab alot, and Rogers is coming off MAJOR knee surgery, Landry is good, and their other safety isn't even worth mentioning. Yeah, I hope they press... Onother 4 TD's for TO...

3 of the 4 TD owens got was against zone coverage,our safety's was caught looking to attack the run.I tip my hat to owens great job,it will never happen again!!

[Mansta54]

3 of the 4 TD owens got was against zone coverage,our safety's was caught looking to attack the run.I tip my hat to owens great job,it will never happen again!!

You need to rewatch the game, I have 3 times on NFLN and Springs was chasing all game long. TO ate his lunch all day... You say it'll never happen again, 4 TD's in one game by a single reciever should've never happened in the first place unless your team ABSOLUETLY SUCKS...

[5Stars]

You need to rewatch the game, I have 3 times on NFLN and Springs was chasing all game long. TO ate his lunch all day... You say it'll never happen again, 4 TD's in one game by a single reciever should've never happened in the first place unless your team ABSOLUETLY SUCKS...


Mansta54...you do know that I'm pissed at you, right? If it was not for you, redsuck666 would have been outta here like a freaking burgler!!

But, NO! redsuck666 is Mansta54's brother! :rolleyes:

:laugh2:
:D


redsuck666 is always over pimping his Washington Racial Slurs...everyday!!

[Mansta54]

Mansta54...you do know that I'm pissed at you, right? If it was not for you, redsuck666 would have been outta here like a freaking burgler!!

But, NO! redsuck666 is Mansta54's brother! :rolleyes:

:laugh2:
:D


redsuck666 is always over pimping his Washington Racial Slurs...everyday!!

I know I know, but he's really harmless and more amusing then anything. Now, if he knew anything about the game of football then we would have to think about kickin his arse out. But read his post, he's clueless...:laugh2:

[5Stars]

I know I know, but he's really harmless and more amusing then anything. Now, if he knew anything about the game of football then we would have to think about kickin his arse out. But read his post, he's clueless...:laugh2:


What? You think I don't know that?!!! Show me a Washington Racial Slur fan that does have any sense!!!



:laugh2:

I bet he's ugly as hell, too!!

[Mansta54]

What? You think I don't know that?!!! Show me a Washington Racial Slur fan that does have any sense!!!



:laugh2:

I bet he's ugly as hell, too!!

Ahh, he looks like a Foreskin fan, that explains it..:laugh2: We catch a few games together every year, I can't wait..

[5Stars]

Ahh, he looks like a Foreskin fan, that explains it..:laugh2: We catch a few games together every year, I can't wait..

Next time you see him, slug him in his sack for me! Then say, "this is from 5Stars"!!!

But, don't miss, I'm sure there is not alot down there to hit!!

[Hostile]

3 of the 4 TD owens got was against zone coverage,our safety's was caught looking to attack the run.I tip my hat to owens great job,it will never happen again!!Would you like to recant your testimony sir?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qiZXjcb77Qw

[Mansta54]

Would you like to recant your testimony sir?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qiZXjcb77Qw

Hostile...:bow:

[Hostile]

Hostile...:bow:I see #30 (Landry) and/or #37 (Doughty) on every score.

They play the run that deep? No wonder they suck.

[pgreptom]

Nice post. Please post again.

That cat responds to every thread with a one liner. No disrespect to him, but I don't think I've ever read anything other than a one liner.

[Mansta54]

I see #30 (Landry) and/or #37 (Doughty) on every score.

They play the run that deep? No wonder they suck.

I also #24 Springs in those TD's as well.. I'm telling ya, their secondary is in BIG trouble...

[Mansta54]

That cat responds to every thread with a one liner. No disrespect to him, but I don't think I've ever read anything other than a one liner.

I truely think he's just working on his impressive post count...:laugh2:

[5Stars]

Would you like to recant your testimony sir?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qiZXjcb77Qw


I know this about T.O., but Romo can hit those bad boys like a knife thru butter! T.O. does not get those if Romo does not throw them...

Romo is a bad muther(shut your mouth)!!


:)

[pgreptom]

I truely think he's just working on his impressive post count...:laugh2:

I wouldn't doubt it. Too many people are obsessed with a post count. It's post content, post quality.. I could post whore all day, but who does that impress?

[5Stars]

That cat responds to every thread with a one liner. No disrespect to him, but I don't think I've ever read anything other than a one liner.


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I got a private message from a poster telling me to "cool it with CC" because he's "special"...! :eek:

I wrote him back saying, "what"? The guy is a Sergent in the Air Force!!

So, yeah, I guess he is "special"....!

:D

[Mansta54]

I know this about T.O., but Romo can hit those bad boys like a knife thru butter! T.O. does not get those if Romo does not throw them...

Romo is a bad muther(shut your mouth)!!


:)

You're right about Romo, he's a beast but Hostile was backing me up on my beef with my brother Foreskin1 about TO eating Springs lunch..

[pgreptom]

That's rubberish. I've served myself. That doesn't make me special. I bet 10% of this board has served at one point and time.

[Mansta54]

I wouldn't doubt it. Too many people are obsessed with a post count. It's post content, post quality.. I could post whore all day, but who does that impress?

Do you think the Foreskin trolls who post here could ever learn this? Huh man!!!

[pgreptom]

Of course not. That's why they're Skins fans. :)

[5Stars]

That's rubberish. I've served myself. That doesn't make me special. I bet 10% of this board has served at one point and time.


I think the poster that private messaged me was thinking about a different kind of "special"! The poster is kind of a new poster, and I think he sees that mask that CC has on and thinks that CC is...ummmm, "special"...if you know what I mean?


:D

[pgreptom]

LOL. I like CC's mask, though. The one liners and "ZONERS:" get me, though.

[Mansta54]

That's rubberish. I've served myself. That doesn't make me special. I bet 10% of this board has served at one point and time.

Ah, dude I think he meant "special" as in short bus... I think!! Nevertheless, CC is cool. Let him do his thing. He's DIEHARD Boyz fan, that in itself speaks volumes...

[5Stars]

LOL. I like CC's mask, though. The one liners and "ZONERS:" get me, though.


I agree. Nice post...please post again.






















:eek:

[Mansta54]

Now the Foreskin fans that post here, they're "special". And I do mean "SPECIAL"....

[yeahyeah]

Would you like to recant your testimony sir?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qiZXjcb77Qw\

:D

[5Stars]

Now the Foreskin fans that post here, they're "special". And I do mean "SPECIAL"....


Right letter "S"...but wrong word! Their Stupid!!

:laugh2:

[Hostile]

\

:DFunny how he has not responded.

Not funny as in ha ha. Funny as in how typical.

[Mansta54]

Funny how he has not responded.

Not funny as in ha ha. Funny as in how typical.

Its expected!!!

[yeahyeah]

Funny how he has not responded.

Not funny as in ha ha. Funny as in how typical.

Hey...that says something sir..you put him in his place. I havent been on this site long but I have noticed a few on here are really good at doing that...yourself included..cheers, they deserve it...I cant stand the bunch.

[Mansta54]

Hey...that says something sir..you put him in his place. I havent been on this site long but I have noticed a few on here are really good at doing that...yourself included..cheers, they deserve it...I cant stand the bunch.

We have to deal with those clowns from time to time. I truely believe they're Boyz fans, they stay on our board enough..

[Skinsmaniac]

Would you like to recant your testimony sir?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qiZXjcb77Qw
So, it's difficult to tell from the clips, but this is what I see. The first TD is all on Springs - TO just beat him. On the second TD, TO was matched up against Leigh Torrence and beat him - Springs was on the receiver at the bottom of the field, peeled off him to try to get to the ball but was late. Those two tds were TO beating man-to-man coverage. The third TD, I'm not sure about. It looks to me like a zone where TO was able to exploit London Fletcher's obvious inability to cover him 40 yards down the field. I'm not sure if Landry or Doughty messed up there. The 4th td was obviously zone, where Springs was playing short with Landry (I think it's Landry being overly aggressive) over the top.

Does that seem right to you?

Edit: Oh, and on the second TD, doughty was way out of position. http://youtube.com/watch?v=F3xxEFeBRJs&feature=related. You can see him drift way to far to the right - that td is on him and Torrence. Second edit: actually, it's difficult to know what his responsibility was and what Landry's was. Doughty was playing FS that game, but with 4 wide, they might have split the field left and right, meaning that it was Landry who messed up. I don't know enough about defenses to be able to figure out what D they were playing.

[Hostile]

So, it's difficult to tell from the clips, but this is what I see. The first TD is all on Springs - TO just beat him. On the second TD, TO was matched up against Leigh Torrence and beat him - Springs was on the receiver at the bottom of the field, peeled off him to try to get to the ball but was late. Those two tds were TO beating man-to-man coverage. The third TD, I'm not sure about. It looks to me like a zone where TO was able to exploit London Fletcher's obvious inability to cover him 40 yards down the field. I'm not sure if Landry or Doughty messed up there. The 4th td was obviously zone, where Springs was playing short with Landry (I think it's Landry being overly aggressive) over the top.

Does that seem right to you?Do you see the Safeties up protecting the run like he claimed? Or do you see them in the pictures 30 and 40 yards down the field on 3 of the TDs and Landry coming over in the endzone on the first one? If they are protecting the run way back there then your DL sucks like a Hoover.

Does that seems right to you?

[Mansta54]

Do you see the Safeties up protecting the run like he claimed? Or do you see them in the pictures 30 and 40 yards down the field on 3 of the TDs and Landry coming over in the endzone on the first one? If they are protecting the run way back there then your DL sucks like a Hoover.

Does that seems right to you?

Ouch!!! That's gonna leave a mark.. Just think, they're trying to explain why TO dogged them for 4 TD's, that says it all right there. 4 TD's in one game by one reciever. Nuff said!!

[Skinsmaniac]

Do you see the Safeties up protecting the run like he claimed? Or do you see them in the pictures 30 and 40 yards down the field on 3 of the TDs and Landry coming over in the endzone on the first one? If they are protecting the run way back there then your DL sucks like a Hoover.

Does that seems right to you?
No, the safeties are back deep. Only on the second one, is Landry perhaps too far forward, but it's difficult to know what his responsibility was on that play - you would think with 4 wrs wide he wouldn't be worrying about the run.

[Chocolate Lab]

The Redskins have been playing a lot of press-man coverage with their corners early in camp, more than what seemed to be the norm. Playing man is nothing new around here, but there was no cushion being given at all. Fred Smoot and Shawn Springs, the starting corners, have loved it, 'cuz now they're even closer to the WRs to beat them up a bit and also to ensure all of their smack talk is audible.
You know our guys are shaking in their boots at the thought of 170-lb Fred "One Rep" Smoot pressing them.... :shiver:

[Hostile]

No, the safeties are back deep. Only on the second one, is Landry perhaps too far forward, but it's difficult to know what his responsibility was on that play - you would think with 4 wrs wide he wouldn't be worrying about the run.The question is can he acknowledge that he said something utterly stupid?

[Skinsmaniac]

Ross Tucker, sports illustrated


Seamless transition for Taylor?

The Washington Redskins have been roundly praised for the expeditious manner in which they moved to trade for Jason Taylor after losing starting defensive end Phillip Daniels, and rightfully so. The loss of Daniels created an obvious hole along the Redskins front, at a position most observers felt was lacking even before Daniels went down on the first day of training camp. The Redskins are extremely fortunate that a Pro Bowl-caliber player like Taylor was available, and they pounced on the opportunity immediately.
But this move doesn't come without some concern on the part of Redskins players and management. Though he never had much of a national media profile, Daniels was considered a core Redskin (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/21/making-the-best-of-it/) and was admired by everyone within the organization. He was a team leader, a player the team could count on in any adverse situation. Those intangibles cannot be discounted or minimized.
On the field, he was a standout run defender and had enough size at around 290 pounds to bump inside to tackle on passing downs and create a push while providing the hammer as an attack guy for a lot of the stunts in the passing game.
Though Taylor moved around quite a bit during his time in Miami, he was primarily a blind-side pass rusher working against left tackles. His transition to the other side will be more difficult than advertised for a multitude of reasons.
Taylor will now be covered by a tight end more often as most teams play-callers are historically right-side dominant when calling the strength of the formation. That will limit Taylor's freedom and ensures he will face more double teams in the run game than ever before. His lean, Dancing with the Stars physique will be tested on a weekly basis.
More importantly, Taylor will need to use the next six weeks to gain confidence in his pass-rushing prowess from the opposite side. It is not nearly as easy as one might think.
For starters, his line of vision to the ball will be different, as will his body lean as he runs the imaginary hoop towards the QB. Taylor is used to dipping his left shoulder. He will have to get accustomed to dipping his right.
The biggest difference will be with his pass rush moves. Taylor could previously use his right hand to club the outside arm of the offensive tackle or to grab his shoulder and pull himself through. He will have to become equally adept at using his left in order to have the same type of success.
Can Taylor become as dominant a force on the defense's left side as he was on the right? Absolutely. Is it a foregone conclusion? Not at all.
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The more I think about it, the more I hope that on passing downs we play Taylor at RDE, Erasmus James or Marcus Washington at LDE and move Andre Carter inside. We're going to probably have to rest Taylor a lot on running downs. I could see him getting frustrated at having to learn a new position this late in his career.

[Mansta54]

Ross Tucker, sports illustrated


Seamless transition for Taylor?

The Washington Redskins have been roundly praised for the expeditious manner in which they moved to trade for Jason Taylor after losing starting defensive end Phillip Daniels, and rightfully so. The loss of Daniels created an obvious hole along the Redskins front, at a position most observers felt was lacking even before Daniels went down on the first day of training camp. The Redskins are extremely fortunate that a Pro Bowl-caliber player like Taylor was available, and they pounced on the opportunity immediately.
But this move doesn't come without some concern on the part of Redskins players and management. Though he never had much of a national media profile, Daniels was considered a core Redskin (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/21/making-the-best-of-it/) and was admired by everyone within the organization. He was a team leader, a player the team could count on in any adverse situation. Those intangibles cannot be discounted or minimized.
On the field, he was a standout run defender and had enough size at around 290 pounds to bump inside to tackle on passing downs and create a push while providing the hammer as an attack guy for a lot of the stunts in the passing game.
Though Taylor moved around quite a bit during his time in Miami, he was primarily a blind-side pass rusher working against left tackles. His transition to the other side will be more difficult than advertised for a multitude of reasons.
Taylor will now be covered by a tight end more often as most teams play-callers are historically right-side dominant when calling the strength of the formation. That will limit Taylor's freedom and ensures he will face more double teams in the run game than ever before. His lean, Dancing with the Stars physique will be tested on a weekly basis.
More importantly, Taylor will need to use the next six weeks to gain confidence in his pass-rushing prowess from the opposite side. It is not nearly as easy as one might think.
For starters, his line of vision to the ball will be different, as will his body lean as he runs the imaginary hoop towards the QB. Taylor is used to dipping his left shoulder. He will have to get accustomed to dipping his right.
The biggest difference will be with his pass rush moves. Taylor could previously use his right hand to club the outside arm of the offensive tackle or to grab his shoulder and pull himself through. He will have to become equally adept at using his left in order to have the same type of success.
Can Taylor become as dominant a force on the defense's left side as he was on the right? Absolutely. Is it a foregone conclusion? Not at all.
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The more I think about it, the more I hope that on passing downs we play Taylor at RDE, Erasmus James or Marcus Washington at LDE and move Andre Carter inside. We're going to probably have to rest Taylor a lot on running downs. I could see him getting frustrated at having to learn a new position this late in his career.

All of this at the age of 34yrs old, on the downside of his career, and coming into possibly the most physical Div. in the league. Wow!!! That sure is asking alot from a dude who was just talking about retirement a month or so ago.. Just sayin man!!!!

[gambit187]

TO has been smoking Springs since SEattle vs 49ers

[Mansta54]

TO has been smoking Springs since SEattle vs 49ers

:shush: Don't say that to loud, Foreskin fans get very defensive....:laugh2:

[Hostile]

:shush: Don't say that to loud, Foreskin fans get very defensive....:laugh2:Your brother doesn't have a clue what that means. The word has 3 syllables.

[gambit187]

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I got a private message from a poster telling me to "cool it with CC" because he's "special"...! :eek:

I wrote him back saying, "what"? The guy is a Sergent in the Air Force!!

So, yeah, I guess he is "special"....!

:D

My Bad :bang2:

GO COWBOYS

[Skinsmaniac]

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d809722f7
According to Adam Schefter, the Cowboys also inquired about Jason Taylor. Presumably we offered higher picks. Seems like Jerry really wants to make a run this year.

[NinjafromTron]

In the first Dallas game against the Redskins Shawn Springs at cornerback was supposed to be following TO. Reed Doughty was in the FS position as a backup for Sean Taylor. Laron Landry was at the strong safety position. In the game Shawn Springs blew several coverages and Reed Doughty did not have the physical prowess to deal with Terrel Owens. Since then Reed Doughty has been placed at Strong Safety where he has excelled. Laron Landry has gone to his college position at Free Safety and got two interceptions as a rookie in his first playoff game. Carlos Rogers was also not in that game.

TO will have to deal with Laron Landry, not Reed Doughty when he goes for the deep ball. This is a much better matchup in the Redskins favor.

As for Jason Taylor, he is a big upgrade over Philip Daniels in pass rushing situations. Andre Carter received 10.5 sacks in 2007. That is not too shabby when the other side is Philip Daniels. The Redskins will have a better pass rush and less of a run defense in this move. Will this be a large problem? The redskins defense during the 2007 regular season ranked 4th in run defense. Only time will tell how much Philip Daniels had to do with that ranking.

[Hostile]

In the first Dallas game against the Redskins Shawn Springs at cornerback was supposed to be following TO. Reed Doughty was in the FS position as a backup for Sean Taylor. Laron Landry was at the strong safety position. In the game Shawn Springs blew several coverages and Reed Doughty did not have the physical prowess to deal with Terrel Owens. Since then Reed Doughty has been placed at Strong Safety where he has excelled. Laron Landry has gone to his college position at Free Safety and got two interceptions as a rookie in his first playoff game. Carlos Rogers was also not in that game.

TO will have to deal with Laron Landry, not Reed Doughty when he goes for the deep ball. This is a much better matchup in the Redskins favor.

As for Jason Taylor, he is a big upgrade over Philip Daniels in pass rushing situations. Andre Carter received 10.5 sacks in 2007. That is not too shabby when the other side is Philip Daniels. The Redskins will have a better pass rush and less of a run defense in this move. Will this be a large problem? The redskins defense during the 2007 regular season ranked 4th in run defense. Only time will tell how much Philip Daniels had to do with that ranking.:welcome: to The Zone.

Did you watch the video I posted?

Laron Landry was visible on 3 of the 4 TDs and Doughty was visible on 1.

You can ask anyone here, no one was higher on Laron Landry than I was. I still am. But the truth is pretty evident if you just care to open your eyes and look at it.

[NinjafromTron]

In them Laron is playing from the SS position. He's not playing 30 yards back like we played him when he went full time FS (how we played Sean Taylor.) He's playing catch up, can't play catch up with TO. Shawn Springs was supposed to be covering TO, he wasn't doing a very good job of it. In the position Redskins normally play their high end FS they are deep off of the line and play sideline to sideline, moving forward not backward against the play. Reed Doughty was not placed like that because he does not have the speed.

[random Cs]

Right letter "S"...but wrong word! Their Stupid!!

:laugh2: At least edit it. :p:

[Hostile]

In them Laron is playing from the SS position. He's not playing 30 yards back like we played him when he went full time FS (how we played Sean Taylor.) He's playing catch up, can't play catch up with TO. Shawn Springs was supposed to be covering TO, he wasn't doing a very good job of it. In the position Redskins normally play their high end FS they are deep off of the line and play sideline to sideline, moving forward not backward against the play. Reed Doughty was not placed like that because he does not have the speed.Regardless of where they lined up, Landry was part of the secondary who got burned multiple times. Why deny this when you can clearly see him get wrong footed in the video, run right past, and arriving late one time? I think he will be a great Safety, but the truth is he had a bad game just like Springs. Not saying Doughty is better. I am saying it is ridiculous to place more blame for TO's great game on Doughty than on Landry. That doesn't make any sense. TO probably will never do that to the Skine again because games like that are rare, but let's not pretend things happened that didn't. This is the real world not Fantasyland.

[Sonny#9]

This is the real world not Fantasyland.

It's NOT?! Dammit -- I knew I shouldn't have made that left turn at Albuquerque!

As a Skins fan, I find it embarrassing when people make excuses for that game. While I do believe in the "If we had Sean Taylor..." defense, I will never rely on it in an argument. Fact is we didn't. TO scorched us. Making excuses for him running wild on our secondary are just that, excuses. He killed us.

Skins fans digging for lame reasons why we had no answer for TO are no better then the Cowboys fans doing the same for Moss and Cooley in '05.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Regardless of where they lined up, Landry was part of the secondary who got burned multiple times. Why deny this when you can clearly see him get wrong footed in the video, run right past, and arriving late one time? I think he will be a great Safety, but the truth is he had a bad game just like Springs. Not saying Doughty is better. I am saying it is ridiculous to place more blame for TO's great game on Doughty than on Landry. That doesn't make any sense. TO probably will never do that to the Skine again because games like that are rare, but let's not pretend things happened that didn't. This is the real world not Fantasyland.


Yup an awful game for the secondary. It was also the first game without Sean Taylor (he was injured the previous week) and it clearly showed that afternoon as it was bombs away, and the secondary looked downright lost most of the afternoon

Yet for all of TO's heroics that game, there was a very good shot for the Redskins to win it in the end

With all this said and done, and reliving last season, I guess the whole point of this thread is that my Cowboy friends here feel the Redskins defense has significantly downgraded because "Spring is an old man" (despite coming into camp in great shape) Smoot and Rogers suck (despite each having their best seasons last year) and Blache can't coach as well as GWilliams (despite being a pretty respectable D-coordinator in Chicago).

I have no doubt in my mind the Redskins defense will be just fine. Nobody will run all over it because of Jason Taylor (honestly, this might be one of the most absurd suggestions I have seen) and the secondary will be pretty solid

Is it a top 5 D? Probably not. Is it going to lose the Redskins games? No

The season ultimatley comes down to if JC can take to the WCO and how Jim Zorn does as a HC and OC. Odds are, the O will be slow out of the gate, we'll lose our first 3 division road games and be playing catch up in December again, and with an easy stretch run in December to get into the 7-9 to 9-7 range

[Chuck 54]

Here in Richmond,VA, I've seen plenty of footage of Jason Taylor practicing. He's wearing #55 and he's playing left DE, which puts him on Columbo.

I much prefer he be on Columbo than Adams...speedy guys tend to make Flozel jump offsides. Meanwhile, we are accustomed to helping Columbo out a lot in the passing game anyway, so Jason will be getting Columbo and a TE or he'll be chipped by a RB, etc.

That would be a great game to come out in a two TE set with T.O. out wide and try to run the ball against Carter and Taylor, but Taylor is a great player and not exactly a big liability against the run...he's a solid player, but he does NOT make the Redskins a playoff team.

They have a new offense, an entirely new coaching staff including the loss of Williams on defense, and they still have Campbell at QB overthrowing receivers. I'm not worried.

The Giants will miss Shockey, don't think for a second that they won't miss a beat with Boss...they will. But they are still the team we have to beat in our division. They found a winning formula with a solid coaching staff, and Eli will be much more confident this season.

I'm thinking the Cowboys will repeat their 13-3 record of last season, but have a successful post-season run.

[Hostile]

Yup an awful game for the secondary. It was also the first game without Sean Taylor (he was injured the previous week) and it clearly showed that afternoon as it was bombs away, and the secondary looked downright lost most of the afternoon

Yet for all of TO's heroics that game, there was a very good shot for the Redskins to win it in the endHow did I know this was going to come up. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Congratulations on almost winning.

With all this said and done, and reliving last season, I guess the whole point of this thread is that my Cowboy friends here feel the Redskins defense has significantly downgraded because "Spring is an old man" (despite coming into camp in great shape) Smoot and Rogers suck (despite each having their best seasons last year) and Blache can't coach as well as GWilliams (despite being a pretty respectable D-coordinator in Chicago).That hasn't been my stance. But thank you for rehashing your points with them for me. I feel honored.

I have no doubt in my mind the Redskins defense will be just fine. Nobody will run all over it because of Jason Taylor (honestly, this might be one of the most absurd suggestions I have seen) and the secondary will be pretty solidYeah again, that hasn't been my stance.

Is it a top 5 D? Probably not. Is it going to lose the Redskins games? NoI think it is too soon to say this. Every year there is a loss that can be directly related to how one side of the ball performs or fails to perform.

The season ultimatley comes down to if JC can take to the WCO and how Jim Zorn does as a HC and OC. Odds are, the O will be slow out of the gate, we'll lose our first 3 division road games and be playing catch up in December again, and with an easy stretch run in December to get into the 7-9 to 9-7 rangeI don't disagree with a word of this. If you really struggle it could be worse. It has happened before to other teams.

[Sonny#9]

With all this said and done, and reliving last season, I guess the whole point of this thread is that my Cowboy friends here feel the Redskins defense has significantly downgraded because "Spring is an old man" (despite coming into camp in great shape) Smoot and Rogers suck (despite each having their best seasons last year) and Blache can't coach as well as GWilliams (despite being a pretty respectable D-coordinator in Chicago).

I have no doubt in my mind the Redskins defense will be just fine. Nobody will run all over it because of Jason Taylor (honestly, this might be one of the most absurd suggestions I have seen) and the secondary will be pretty solid

Well, you have to consider the source of those statements. It's usually the crowd here that bash just to bash -- with no rhyme or reason -- make the Quincy Carter is Jason Campbell comparisons. Clearly they don't know a whole lot about football and do not even know the definition of "objective" (or look up gullible in the dictionary!)

Is it a top 5 D? Probably not. Is it going to lose the Redskins games? No

The season ultimatley comes down to if JC can take to the WCO and how Jim Zorn does as a HC and OC. Odds are, the O will be slow out of the gate, we'll lose our first 3 division road games and be playing catch up in December again, and with an easy stretch run in December to get into the 7-9 to 9-7 range

I think we're on the same page there. :cool:

[zrinkill]

Congratulations on almost winning.

:lmao:

[Skinsmaniac]

If you really struggle it could be worse. It has happened before to other teams.
Well with insight like that, feel free to mock other people's posts.

[Danny White]

Well with insight like that, feel free to mock other people's posts.

We've all seen where your insight gets you:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108849


Mmmmm... can't wait for that 12-pack on Nov 16... I can already taste it! :D

[Hostile]

Well with insight like that, feel free to mock other people's posts.Thanks. I think I will.

[Skinsmaniac]

We've all seen where your insight gets you:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108849


Mmmmm... can't wait for that 12-pack on Nov 16... I can already taste it! :D
Hehehe, it has to be surreptitious, otherwise I'll have too many difficult questions from my family to answer.

[Danny White]

Hehehe, it has to be surreptitious, otherwise I'll have too many difficult questions from my family to answer.

We usually have a couple Skins fans at my tailgate, so you can just claim you're visiting them. :p: