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trickblue
08-05-2008, 10:32 AM
Link (http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2008-08-03-offshore_N.htm)

Pelosi firm: No vote on offshore drilling
By Susan Page, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday ruled out a vote on new offshore oil drilling even as Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said he might be open to a compromise that included it.

The scramble over expanded drilling off America's coasts — ammunition for a weekend of rat-a-tat-tat by the presidential campaigns — underscores the political power of $4-a-gallon gas. Though President Bush and other backers of new drilling acknowledge it wouldn't directly affect gas prices for years, they have pounded Democrats for opposing the measure, which is now supported by most Americans.

Obama is scheduled to deliver a speech today in Lansing, Mich., on energy policy, unveiling what spokesman Bill Burton called "new short-term and long-term solutions to the energy crisis that we're facing."

On Tuesday, presumptive Republican nominee John McCain is scheduled to go to the Enrico Fermi nuclear power plant in Newport, Mich., to spotlight his proposal for more nuclear plants.

The latest furor over energy policy began when Obama, campaigning in Florida on Saturday, spoke favorably of a Senate plan that includes new offshore drilling, a step he has long opposed.

"What I don't want is for the best to be the enemy of the good here," he told reporters in Titusville. "If we can come up with a genuine, bipartisan compromise in which I have to accept some things I don't like, or the Democrats have to accept some things that they don't like, in exchange for moving us in the direction of energy independence, then that's something I'm open to."

McCain also would be "open to compromise packages" on energy, aide Nancy Pfotenhauer said Sunday on CNN's Late Edition.

The Senate measure, unveiled Friday by five Democrats and five Republicans, would give states the final say in drilling 50 miles or more from shore on the Outer Continental Shelf. It also would repeal a key tax break for oil companies, expand funding for alternative-fuel vehicles and extend tax credits to promote alternative and efficient energy.

Pelosi called proposals to allow more offshore drilling a deceptive "decoy" rather than a solution and indicated she would bar a vote on any bill that included it. "I'm not giving the gavel away to a tactic … that supports the oil (companies), big oil at the cost and the expense of the consumer," she said on ABC's This Week.

The House started a five-week summer recess Friday despite Republican demands for a vote on lifting the federal ban on offshore drilling. House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio said GOP representatives would be on the House floor today to protest the lack of action.

Pelosi's hard line is good news for Obama, said Thomas Mann, a congressional analyst at the Brookings Institution. Her action "basically cools the passion of environmentalists, knowing it's not going anywhere, while he (is) open to compromise on a comprehensive package that would achieve many other objectives," Mann said. "It allows him to effectively have it both ways."

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken July 25-27 found that Americans by numbers approaching 2-1 would be more likely to support a candidate who backs expanded offshore drilling.

McCain had opposed new offshore drilling but announced in June he would support it because of rising energy costs. Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent and former Democrat who backs McCain, said the switch demonstrated the Arizona senator's decisiveness in responding to a crisis.

In contrast, "Barack Obama says this weekend 'maybe,' 'eh,' and 'if, but,' " Lieberman said on NBC's Meet the Press. "He did not come out with a strong decision."

Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, an Obama supporter, replied that the Illinois senator was ready to "break America's gridlock by honoring a bipartisan effort."

Vintage
08-05-2008, 11:17 AM
They (Democrats) don't want to do anything yet... so that they can hammer the Republicans come election time about the oil prices.

When (if) they get control over Congress AND the White House, I wouldn't be too surprised to see them explore SOME offshore drilling to alleviate some political pressure... but not before them.

Anything done before the election helps McCain and the Republicans. Democrats are best served to sit tight for awhile.

We just lose.

Which is ok.

That's how its supposed to be.

Doomsday101
08-05-2008, 11:19 AM
They (Democrats) don't want to do anything yet... so that they can hammer the Republicans come election time about the oil prices.

When (if) they get control over Congress AND the White House, I wouldn't be too surprised to see them explore SOME offshore drilling to alleviate some political pressure... but not before them.

Anything done before the election helps McCain and the Republicans. Democrats are best served to sit tight for awhile.

We just lose.

Which is ok.

That's how its supposed to be.


Republicans are still in session

A group of House Republicans stayed in session and continued energy speeches Monday despite the summer adjournment in hopes of pressuring Democrats for a vote on oil drilling. The speeches, a mix of democratic defiance and political showmanship, were part of a plan to pressure House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, to hold votes on offshore drilling, nuclear power and other GOP energy proposals.

Republicans refused to leave the House floor on Friday and began five hours of speeches protesting against Democratic energy policies immediately after the House of Representatives adjourned for its annual five-week break.

The speeches picked up again Monday morning, and Republicans have pledged to keep up the effort.

"We'll continue at least this week," said Rep. Tom Price, R-Georgia. "Then we'll see what we know."

Price said 24 congressmen returned to the Capitol for Monday's session.

Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana, said that 40 Republican members are committed to rotate in shifts throughout the week. Asked how long they'll be there, he said, "We'll be here as long as we can."

Vintage
08-05-2008, 11:26 AM
A glimmer of hope in a sea of blackness....



Nuclear power plants being built = job creation.
Nuclear power plants being maintained = job creation.
Job creation = economic growth = stimulation of said economy.

Energy being "made" in the US = reduces our energy dependence on outside influences.

Offshore drilling = oil in US being used, first. Also equals job creation.
Refineries being built/maintained = oil being refined here (more efficiency) and job creation.

More economic stimulation.

Subsidize the alternative sources for vehicles. (I know, I know...but in this case, it can be used for good!)

American companies come ahead of the curve in alternative energy for cars.... = manufacturing explosion as countries want to buy AMERICAN. STIMULATES ECONOMY AND CREATES MORE JOBS IN AMERICA.

Win. Win. And ****ing Win.

As more people use the alternative cars (like battery powered, for example), it reduces our oil dependency even more. Not all can be rid of gas though (planes, ships, semis, etc). But we can try and reduce the need to the point where we drill enough for our own self-sufficiency.

More ****ing win.

Doomsday101
08-05-2008, 11:34 AM
A glimmer of hope in a sea of blackness....



Nuclear power plants being built = job creation.
Nuclear power plants being maintained = job creation.
Job creation = economic growth = stimulation of said economy.

Energy being "made" in the US = reduces our energy dependence on outside influences.

Offshore drilling = oil in US being used, first. Also equals job creation.
Refineries being built/maintained = oil being refined here (more efficiency) and job creation.

More economic stimulation.

Subsidize the alternative sources for vehicles. (I know, I know...but in this case, it can be used for good!)

American companies come ahead of the curve in alternative energy for cars.... = manufacturing explosion as countries want to buy AMERICAN. STIMULATES ECONOMY AND CREATES MORE JOBS IN AMERICA.

Win. Win. And ****ing Win.

As more people use the alternative cars (like battery powered, for example), it reduces our oil dependency even more. Not all can be rid of gas though (planes, ships, semis, etc). But we can try and reduce the need to the point where we drill enough for our own self-sufficiency.

More ****ing win.

Our economic rivals are clearly doing the things you mentioned and if we don't do it we will find ourselves in a world of hurt

Vintage
08-05-2008, 11:37 AM
Our economic rivals are clearly doing the things you mentioned and if we don't do it we will find ourselves in a world of hurt


The more you regulate, the more you lose.

Companies fleeing the United States to go abroad....is of no surprise.

Some think the answer is more regulation. More brilliance by that certain sect.

BrAinPaiNt
08-05-2008, 11:40 AM
They (Democrats) don't want to do anything yet... so that they can hammer the Republicans come election time about the oil prices.

When (if) they get control over Congress AND the White House, I wouldn't be too surprised to see them explore SOME offshore drilling to alleviate some political pressure... but not before them.

Anything done before the election helps McCain and the Republicans. Democrats are best served to sit tight for awhile.

We just lose.

Which is ok.

That's how its supposed to be.

And that is what scares me about Obama and a dem congress. Just like Bill had it for a while and W had it for a while.

Mostly bad comes from the capitol when one party runs the whole show.:(

Doomsday101
08-05-2008, 11:42 AM
The more you regulate, the more you lose.

Companies fleeing the United States to go abroad....is of no surprise.

Some think the answer is more regulation. More brilliance by that certain sect.

I agree. That does not mean we should not hold companies accountable for their actions but we are putting ourselves behind the 8 ball while our rivals in this global economy continue to advance past us.

joseephuss
08-05-2008, 01:35 PM
They (Democrats) don't want to do anything yet... so that they can hammer the Republicans come election time about the oil prices.

When (if) they get control over Congress AND the White House, I wouldn't be too surprised to see them explore SOME offshore drilling to alleviate some political pressure... but not before them.

Anything done before the election helps McCain and the Republicans. Democrats are best served to sit tight for awhile.

We just lose.

Which is ok.

That's how its supposed to be.

Republicans are still in session

A group of House Republicans stayed in session and continued energy speeches Monday despite the summer adjournment in hopes of pressuring Democrats for a vote on oil drilling. The speeches, a mix of democratic defiance and political showmanship, were part of a plan to pressure House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, to hold votes on offshore drilling, nuclear power and other GOP energy proposals.

Republicans refused to leave the House floor on Friday and began five hours of speeches protesting against Democratic energy policies immediately after the House of Representatives adjourned for its annual five-week break.

The speeches picked up again Monday morning, and Republicans have pledged to keep up the effort.

"We'll continue at least this week," said Rep. Tom Price, R-Georgia. "Then we'll see what we know."

Price said 24 congressmen returned to the Capitol for Monday's session.

Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana, said that 40 Republican members are committed to rotate in shifts throughout the week. Asked how long they'll be there, he said, "We'll be here as long as we can."

I see both these things as just political tactics. Neither side is actually driven to do something. They just posture.

I am for off shore drilling. There are areas that can be tapped. I don't consider it a non-option, but there has to be some care put into it.

I do question why current leases aren't being drilled right now. The oil companies have plenty of places that they can drill and don't. No one is stopping them, but themselves in these areas. They would rather whine about the areas they can't drill than actually drill where they can. Of course that is just posturing as well.

Our leaders tend to just primp for the camera and votes rather than actually be productive. It doesn't matter if there is a D or R after their names, either.

Doomsday101
08-05-2008, 02:23 PM
I see both these things as just political tactics. Neither side is actually driven to do something. They just posture.

I am for off shore drilling. There are areas that can be tapped. I don't consider it a non-option, but there has to be some care put into it.

I do question why current leases aren't being drilled right now. The oil companies have plenty of places that they can drill and don't. No one is stopping them, but themselves in these areas. They would rather whine about the areas they can't drill than actually drill where they can. Of course that is just posturing as well.

Our leaders tend to just primp for the camera and votes rather than actually be productive. It doesn't matter if there is a D or R after their names, either.

One thing about the leases. An oil company will lease the land they then will explore for oil sometime they find it and sometimes they don't but they have to continue the lease from 5 to 10 years regardless. It is a bit of a bending of the truth when Dems talk about all this land being leased and no drilling. It would be like a lumber company leasing land in the desert and people asking why they are not cutting down trees there. Because there are no trees there.

As for the posture maybe that is what it is but for Congress to walk out without a critical bill like this being debated and voted on before leaving for 5 weeks is pathetic.

WoodysGirl
08-05-2008, 03:38 PM
It might not be in this article, cuz I just scanned it.

But I was reading the other day that yes she did say there would be no singular vote on offshore drilling, but that she would be open to it if it were part of a larger energy policy.

Doomsday101
08-05-2008, 03:42 PM
It might not be in this article, cuz I just scanned it.

But I was reading the other day that yes she did say there would be no singular vote on offshore drilling, but that she would be open to it if it were part of a larger energy policy.

What gets me is she has not even allowed debate on the issue to take place. I do think she is getting some pressure from within her own party because frankly many congressional members are going home to face a growing number of voters who now want to see US drilling taking place.

utrunner07
08-05-2008, 04:29 PM
And that is what scares me about Obama and a dem congress. Just like Bill had it for a while and W had it for a while.

Mostly bad comes from the capitol when one party runs the whole show.:(

Mostly bad comes from the capitol period.

burmafrd
08-05-2008, 09:34 PM
McCain really needs to hit the Dem congress hard on this and other messes. He needs to make the point that you dare not give this congress a rubber stamp in the White House. A lot of people for a long time think its unwise to have one party control both congress and the White House so it would work.