Anybody Listening to Norm?

[Jimz31]

Can you believe that players are so scared of BP that they aren't reporting injuries to the medical staff of the Cowboys? One player went to the hospital on his own.

I called this happening last year. Injuries are going to become magnified when the little injuries aren't taken care of. It's already happened and will most assuredly happen again.

[Jack]

Can you believe that players are so scared of BP that they aren't reporting injuries to the medical staff of the Cowboys? One player went to the hospital on his own.

I called this happening last year. Injuries are going to become magnified when the little injuries aren't taken care of. It's already happened and will most assuredly happen again.


Is this true or just rumor?

[Jimz31]

Is this true or just rumor?

It's according to Norm I guess. I think he's pretty reliable. Also mentioned how some of the other coaches are miserable.....miserable since BP is miserable and it flows downhill.

You can listen on the internet.....

www.theticket.com

[CowboyChris]

im listening also, was Norm referring to Julius? he didnt say who the player was that went to the hospital on his own. any guesses?

[trickblue]

im listening also, was Norm referring to Julius? he didnt say who the player was that went to the hospital on his own. any guesses?

I assumed he meant Julius...

[wileedog]

Also mentioned how some of the other coaches are miserable.....miserable since BP is miserable and it flows downhill.



I would think just watching the game tapes would make them miserable enough without any input from Bill.

[Kangaroo]

I assumed he meant Julius...He has been hurt for a few weeks now. My guess is it is a recent injured player but it probaly stems from the JJ injury and how it was handled

[Everlastingxxx]

Parcells is an *******, this is football-entertainment, not the military. Hope the league cracks down on this.

[Everlastingxxx]

He has been hurt for a few weeks now. My guess is it is a recent injured player but it probaly stems from the JJ injury and how it was handled

When Julius got hurt i could tell by how he was carrying his arm. But Parcells left him in anyways. If i was a player, i wouldnt play for Parcells.

[trickblue]

Norm said that Parcells putting Henson in would constitute this season a failure...

I think it already has the makings for a colossal failure... why not bet it all...

[Kangaroo]

Parcells is an *******, this is football-entertainment, not the military. Hope the league cracks down on this.
the last thing you want in the Military is your guy going to the hospital because he is afraid to tell you. Man you will be yanked by the higher up so fast from your command of authority.

Even in war time you get your troops medical attention or you will end up shot in the back of the head by them rlmao.

[MichaelWinicki]

Norm said that Parcells putting Henson in would constitute this season a failure...

I think it already has the makings for a colossal failure... why not bet it all...


We need to see if the kid can play...

[wileedog]

Norm said that Parcells putting Henson in would constitute this season a failure...


I would think getting a good idea of what we have in Henson and Julius, not to mention some of the kids like Crayton and Frazier, would be about the only criteria left to find any sort of success out of this season.

The sooner the better.

[trickblue]

They played the clip where BP said that as long as Vinny is healthy... Vinny will play...

[Juke99]

When Julius got hurt i could tell by how he was carrying his arm. But Parcells left him in anyways. If i was a player, i wouldnt play for Parcells.


I think since Parcells made such a stink the prior week about Jone's initial injury, that when he got hurt, it was JONES who didn't come out of the game...he stayed in the game with an injury that put him out for 8 weeks...

Again, this is that Parcells thing of him becoming a caricature of himself...he's a tough guy, with a tough guy rep....that's ok...but to take it to this extreme is detrimental to the team...

[hockix]

Is this true or just rumor?

I don't know if it is just rumor.

When Peterman was lost, he was already hurt some on earlier play.
Parcell was yelling at him when he got out for one or two plays.
He did get back in the game but because of the pain, he played to high and got pushed back by two opponents, result, he got badly hurt somewhere else.

All those questions about JJones toughness because he asked to get out for some plays because he was hurt....

Parcell went to far and stoburn on those injuries and toughness things...
I'm not surprised at all to hear that some players would hide their injuries.

[Juke99]

Norm said that Parcells putting Henson in would constitute this season a failure...

I think it already has the makings for a colossal failure... why not bet it all...


Why? It's completely out of the realm of possiblity that he could perform better than VT???

Is it Norm who said that...or Norm saying that Parcells said it?

[trickblue]

Why? It's completely out of the realm of possiblity that he could perform better than VT???

Is it Norm who said that...or Norm saying that Parcells said it?

It was Norm saying that...

I don't know if playing Henson the next two weeks would be a good thing... after that it would be a nice to get the kid some experience and see what we have...

[Jimz31]

I don't know if it is just rumor.

When Peterman was lost, he was already hurt some on earlier play.
Parcell was yelling at him when he got out for one or two plays.
He did get back in the game but because of the pain, he played to high and got pushed back by two opponents, result, he got badly hurt somewhere else.

All those questions about JJones toughness because he asked to get out for some plays because he was hurt....

Parcell went to far and stoburn on those injuries and toughness things...
I'm not surprised at all to hear that some players would hide their injuries.

Me either.

The Peterman and JJ injuries are exactly the type that I was talking about last year.

A coach can't just come in and say that players aren't injured. Sure, some of them used the injury bug as an excuse pre-BP, but it doesn't mean that they all did/do that.

[LaTunaNostra]

I think since Parcells made such a stink the prior week about Jone's initial injury, that when he got hurt, it was JONES who didn't come out of the game...he stayed in the game with an injury that put him out for 8 weeks...

Again, this is that Parcells thing of him becoming a caricature of himself...he's a tough guy, with a tough guy rep....that's ok...but to take it to this extreme is detrimental to the team...
Its all speculation and the kind of thing gets passed over when you're winning, but gets hyper analyzed when you're losing.

But yeah, it's a concern. I don't know about the JJ case - he may not have know he was injured badly, and like Dan, just kept on playing.

T's case is the one most bother me, and not just because he's Terry.

He's the one who "re-aggravated" an injury suffered the previous week, a career threatening one. Because of the "she" thing, his whole career he's had to do prove more than other players, like playing with post concussion syndrome in Green Bay.

Hopefully, the medical decisions are being made primarily by the medics - but in those cases where it's left up to the player - well, someone like Terry with those particular dynamics, including AB having been traded the week before, the pressing need for speed on O and he being the biggest speed threat, having to get to .500 on Tuna's timeline, and the particular dynamics of teh rlationship he has with Bill - by what stretch of the imagination could anyone think he'd be able to make the "rational" decision re playing that day?

We never will know about such decisions. And my feeling has always been the trainers/medics alone should make the call. One thing does make me feel better is Bill never tries to talk the medics out of a diagnosis, or a prognosis.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

It is quite funny. In January 2003 and all of last year, Parcells was treated like of Nazareth entering Jerusalem on Palm Sunday. Now people are treating him like of Nazareth when he was crucified.

[Bach]

Norm said that Parcells putting Henson in would constitute this season a failure...

I think it already has the makings for a colossal failure... why not bet it all...

Continuing to play Vinny would constitute this season as an utter failure. If we get anything out of this season it will be getting the team prepared for next season.
Having the same question marks at QB and RB isn't going to help us.
This season is over. Period.

Might as well start training camp.

[Kangaroo]

Its all speculation and the kind of thing gets passed over when you're winning, but gets hyper analyzed when you're losing.

But yeah, it's a concern. I don't know about the JJ case - he may not have know he was injured badly, and like Dan, just kept on playing.

T's case is the one most bother me, and not just because he's Terry.

He's the one who "re-aggravated" an injury suffered the previous week, a career threatening one. Because of the "she" thing, his whole career he's had to do prove more than other players, like playing with post concussion syndrome in Green Bay.

Hopefully, the medical decisions are being made primarily by the medics - but in those cases where it's left up to the player - well, someone like Terry with those particular dynamics, including AB having been traded the week before, the pressing need for speed on O and he being the biggest speed threat, having to get to .500 on Tuna's timeline, and the particular dynamics of teh rlationship he has with Bill - by what stretch of the imagination could anyone think he'd be able to make the "rational" decision re playing that day?

We never will know about such decisions. And my feeling has always been the trainers/medics alone should make the call. One thing does make me feel better is Bill never tries to talk the medics out of a diagnosis, or a prognosis.
I have played hurt at times I should not have; one thing I was not getting was a 100k paycheck either. Why what makes people do that is it pride is it something inside. I do not know but I am that way. I played LaCrosse with brusied ribs and I could hardly breath at times; I played after stepping on a piece of glass that morning borderline needing stiches in the ball of my foot (yes it hurt to even walk on the thing let alone run). I bruised my knee two days before playing hoops and my knee was still twice it size yet I was out there playing hard running hard hitting people in a summer league pick up game with nothing on the line. I smashed a finger so bad I lanced it with a pocket knife on the sideline to stop the hemorrhaging and swelling then taped it up and played. Why I do that I have no clue sometimes. Why it is just the way I am wired and sometimes people have to check me and make me sit so I do not hurt myself worse.

Some guys are like that I do not know if it is taught or if it is a mindset but each person pain thershold is differnt. Me I will sux it up and try to limp through it always trying to come back early and in years to come I will pay for it even more than I do know.

[Kittymama]

It is quite funny. In January 2003 and all of last year, Parcells was treated like of Nazareth entering Jerusalem on Palm Sunday. Now people are treating him like of Nazareth when he was crucified.

THANK YOU! People eat their own, unfortunately. Kinda funny--everyone was yelling that the team needed someone tough to motivate the team. Now he's too tough--except for the folks who think he's too soft & is slacking off on the players.

Folks, reality is that this is football. There's not a player who doesn't play hurt. Has McNair ever played a healthy game? When was the last time Favre was healthy? Deion gimps on & off the field for every game. Del Rio is claiming that Leftwich can play, even though many people say it's a season-ending injury. You can make the exact same charges against Belichik & Coughlin & a lot of other coaches. Right now, Belichik is winning so these accusations don't bubble up. To somehow insinuate, though, that Parcells is getting people hurt because of his stubbornness is unfair. If a player doesn't practice, then he doesn't play. That's not outrageous--Belichik has that policy (even applied it last year to a player who went to a funeral). He's not holding a gun to their heads, making them go out on the field. Like it or not, players have to play thru pain. They are adults; they have to decide whether that injury is too severe for them to play. I've yet to see Parcells force someone onto the field. Does he tell them to suck it up? Sure. Show me a coach in ANY sport who doesn't. (Do you know how much pain the average pixie gymnast competes with?) Frankly, I think he's been more than patient with players like DiNapoli (& Woody), by keeping them on the roster. What the players realize is that, at some point, if they're constantly hurt & can't play, they don't have a career any longer. That's not being cold--that's reality, unless you think a team needs to have 53 guys on the roster who are inactive every week. So, they play. They take themselves to the hospital (geez, McNair's wife is an RN who takes care of him nonstop during the season), suck it up, & go on the field. But to start blaming any coach--even Parcells--& insinuating that they're somehow responsible for getting players injured is unfair & the cheap crap that sportswriters stoop to when a team is down.

[Tenkamenin]

Why? It's completely out of the realm of possiblity that he could perform better than VT???

Is it Norm who said that...or Norm saying that Parcells said it?

Yeah it is out of the realm

He didn't even look that great in preseason, he flashed some talent but thats all he flashed.

He needs a lot of work.

[Jimz31]

Dale Hansen......he's the man...telling it like it is now. :D

[Hollywood Henderson]

I always played hurt...I loved the game, I never wanted to come out...Now if was a broken leg yeah...

But bottom line, its up to the PLAYER if they think they are too hurt to play, they can say that...

[LaTunaNostra]

I have played hurt at times I should not have; one thing I was not getting was a 100k paycheck either. Why what makes people do that is it pride is it something inside. I do not know but I am that way. I played LaCrosse with brusied ribs and I could hardly breath at times; I played after stepping on a piece of glass that morning borderline needing stiches in the ball of my foot (yes it hurt to even walk on the thing let alone run). I bruised my knee two days before playing hoops and my knee was still twice it size yet I was out there playing hard running hard hitting people in a summer league pick up game with nothing on the line. I smashed a finger so bad I lanced it with a pocket knife on the sideline to stop the hemorrhaging and swelling then taped it up and played. Why I do that I have no clue sometimes. Why it is just the way I am wired and sometimes people have to check me and make me sit so I do not hurt myself worse.

Some guys are like that I do not know if it is taught or if it is a mindset but each person pain thershold is differnt. Me I will sux it up and try to limp through it always trying to come back early and in years to come I will pay for it even more than I do know.

That is interesting, Roo, and you sound like a Dan Campbell who had to be in excruciating pain after tearing all the ligaments of his mid foot, and kept playing. There are other famous cases across the league. Curtis Martin comes to mind.

Pain threshhold certainly differs person to person. You are a high ender for sure.