John Edwards admits having affair.

[MetalHead]

www.drudgereport.com just broke the news.
Discuss.

[Doomsday101]

www.drudgereport.com just broke the news.
Discuss.

And? Was she at least cute? :laugh2:

[canters]

He is still telling lies....ie: "since becoming pregnant, she had lived under assumed names in expensive houses in North Carolina..."

Edwards lives in the Peoples Republic of Chapel Hill is a 20,000 sq ft home...he denies making living arrangments for her, but says supporters may have done so without his knowledge. He is a peice of crap.

[bbgun]

Kudos to Mickey Kaus at Slate, who's been all over this story since Day 1. And shame on the MSM for engaging in a pro-Edwards news blackout. Coverups are never pretty.

[Hostile]

I hate hearing that. I had tremendous respect for him for how he handled his wife's cancer. This is not how you handle her cancer John.

[Bach]

This is not how you handle her cancer John.

I don't think it was her cancer he was handling.

[MetalHead]

There are two Americas...the ones who cheat,and the one who do not.
Right Mr. Slick?

[Danny White]

Kudos to Mickey Kaus at Slate, who's been all over this story since Day 1. And shame on the MSM for engaging in a pro-Edwards news blackout. Coverups are never pretty.

Don't forget the National Enquirer, which pretty much single-handedly broke the story.

[Doomsday101]

My God I saw a picture of the woman he had an affair with, damn the man has no taste. Makes the Clinton girls look like total babes. :laugh2:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/08/edwards.affair/index.html

[iceberg]

My God I saw a picture of the woman he had an affair with, damn the man has no taste. Makes the Clinton girls look like total babes. :laugh2:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/08/edwards.affair/index.html

she looks like a female young nick nolte.

[Doomsday101]

she looks like a female young nick nolte.

You sir are too kind. :laugh2:

[Ben_n_austin]

Kudos to Mickey Kaus at Slate, who's been all over this story since Day 1. And shame on the MSM for engaging in a pro-Edwards news blackout. Coverups are never pretty.

Neither is meddling in someone's personal life. I admit, I was a pro-Edwards guy at one point. But he's just not strong enough of a politician to do anything so I quit worrying about him.

I do find it funny that, somehow, this is sort of a victory cry from the Republicans.

[Doomsday101]

Neither is meddling in someone's personal life. I admit, I was a pro-Edwards guy at one point. But he's just not strong enough of a politician to do anything so I quit worrying about him.

I do find it funny that, somehow, this is sort of a victory cry from the Republicans.

I could careless if he cheats on his wife I'm more concerned with his lack of taste. If you would sleep with that no telling what he may do if given power. :lmao:

[Ben_n_austin]

O, God! I just saw her picture. She has the crazy woman look.... What was he doing? Hasn't he taken any notes from my man Dennis Kucinich? LOL

[Doomsday101]

O, God! I just saw her picture. She has the crazy woman look.... What was he doing? Hasn't he taken any notes from my man Dennis Kucinich? LOL

Good to see Edwards is in favor of some drilling. :lmao:

[bbgun]

Neither is meddling in someone's personal life.

Puh-leeze. "Personal life" is anything that happens between him and his wife or immediate family. The second he brings a third party into the picture, he becomes fair game. And then there's the jawdropping hypocrisy angle.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Uggh...what's with some of these politicians. Can they at least pick a decent looking person to have an affair with.

She looks like she could be gary busey's twin sister or something.

[Doomsday101]

Uggh...what's with some of these politicians. Can they at least pick a decent looking person to have an affair with.

She looks like she could be gary busey's twin sister or something.

Well I will say the guy in New York he at least was with a hottie even if he had to pay for it. :laugh2:

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Why would he come out and admit it now.

[Doomsday101]

Why would he come out and admit it now.

Evidently enough info was about to come out that denying it would only make matters worse at home. There comes a point that you may as well bite the bullet and let the chip fall where they may

[bbgun]

I kinda feel sorry for her. Edwards tells the whole world that he never loved her (gee, thanks), and that it's not his baby (implying that she's a slut who sleeps around). You're quite the gentleman, John.

[Hostile]

My God I saw a picture of the woman he had an affair with, damn the man has no taste. Makes the Clinton girls look like total babes. :laugh2:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/08/edwards.affair/index.html
:eekmouse:

Oh I am so not going to be able to sleep tonight.

[MetalHead]

:eekmouse:

Oh I am so not going to be able to sleep tonight.

I will...just go and get some pics of Spitzer's escort.
Good night now:D

[ZeroClub]

It is too bad that it happened. Edwards' wife is dealing with more than enough already.

So many people have affairs that it isn't surprising to learn that yet another person has had one (even guys with prissy hair).

You'd think he'd have recognized that this secret would leak out, what with his Presidential campaign and all. Hubris ....

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I kinda feel sorry for her. Edwards tells the whole world that he never loved her (gee, thanks), and that it's not his baby (implying that she's a slut who sleeps around). You're quite the gentleman, John.

are you implying he should have admitted it's his kid even when it isn't to protect the bit on the side?

[Ben_n_austin]

Puh-leeze. "Personal life" is anything that happens between him and his wife or immediate family. The second he brings a third party into the picture, he becomes fair game. And then there's the jawdropping hypocrisy angle.

Those are your values. I think what he does with a third party is his business, but his wife probably begs to differ. I kinda view personal lives of politicians like I do business men or teachers. I only look at how they do their jobs when they're at work. Personal lives are totally different. Logic would tell you that you're not your job. You are human.

This is really a non-issue brought about under suspect timing of trying to swing voters across the line.

But like I said, it's like a business relationship. I give diddly about what he does when he gets home.

Am I going to buy something more expensive from Mr./Mrs. "holier than thou" (that's ya'll's mantra) just because he's morally upright according to your stringent Christian values and [he/she] never even thinks about cheating on their spouse?--chances are, probably not. You probably wouldn't either.

I won't lie, when I vote I'm voting for the most bang for my buck and to get the best deal--and most likely, and hopefully, I'll have more going on in my life than to sit and judge someone for things they like to put on the cover of The National Enquirer. That's why this soap opera stuff doesn't matter, it's whoever will give you the best deal when they get in there--and like any good business man, deliver for the people/your customers.

Though I'm sure John has a lot of apologizing to do to his wife, the race goes on regardless.

Oh, and as far as Edward having power. He's a Congressman. He already has enough of that.... and judging by his taste, I'm with Dooms. I'm not sure the man has good judgment, afterall.

[PosterChild]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/08/08/edwards.affair/art.hunter.national.enquirer.jpg

At no time in my life have I sunk this low. Never. Is there an ugly woman fetish that I'm not aware of yet?

[Doomsday101]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/08/08/edwards.affair/art.hunter.national.enquirer.jpg

At no time in my life have I sunk this low. Never. Is there an ugly woman fetish that I'm not aware of yet?

Well there was that one drunken night.

[Hostile]

Those are your values. I think what he does with a third party is his business, but his wife probably begs to differ. I kinda view personal lives of politicians like I do business men or teachers. I only look at how they do their jobs when they're at work. Personal lives are totally different. Logic would tell you that you're not your job. You are human.

This is really a non-issue brought about under suspect timing of trying to swing voters across the line.

But like I said, it's like a business relationship. I give diddly about what he does when he gets home.

Am I going to buy something more expensive from Mr./Mrs. "holier than thou" (that's ya'll's mantra) just because he's morally upright according to your stringent Christian values and [he/she] never even thinks about cheating on their spouse?--chances are, probably not. You probably wouldn't either.

I won't lie, when I vote I'm voting for the most bang for my buck and to get the best deal--and most likely, and hopefully, I'll have more going on in my life than to sit and judge someone for things they like to put on the cover of The National Enquirer. That's why this soap opera stuff doesn't matter, it's whoever will give you the best deal when they get in there--and like any good business man, deliver for the people/your customers.

Though I'm sure John has a lot of apologizing to do to his wife, the race goes on regardless.

Oh, and as far as Edward having power. He's a Congressman. He already has enough of that.... and judging by his taste, I'm with Dooms. I'm not sure the man has good judgment, afterall.I can't say what I would like to say about this post, so I will just say one word.

Sad.

[Ben_n_austin]

Oh, and one last thing. Don't forget, from a moral standpoint, John McCain votes against measures to help Vietnam Vets. For the most part, veterans hate McCain because of this hypocrisy.

A lot of the righty crowd really doesn't have much substance and it suits them fine if this elections is won or lost through means of mudslinging or a virtual match of the ad hominem game.

Take your pick. I pick "cheater" over McCain, "Sorry veterans, I'm only a politician and ex vet."

Lessor of two evils, remember. This whole thing will just spark competitive rhetoric and Obama will end up turning this around, because things appear to be ok on his home front.

We already know McCain had an affair. Now this is just grounds for retaliation on the grounds of what is obvious knowledge, not dirty politics.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

My view has always been, if you are going to get some on the side (and I never have on my wife in the 18 years we have been together), the bit on the side should be an upgrade.

This one does not seem to be an upgrade in the least.

[zrinkill]

I can't say what I would like to say about this post, so I will just say one word.

Sad.

Happens a lot when reading his posts.

[PosterChild]

Well there was that one drunken night.

You can't prove anything. No one saw me. You can't prove it.

[Angus]

Those are your values. I think what he does with a third party is his business, but his wife probably begs to differ. I kinda view personal lives of politicians like I do business men or teachers. I only look at how they do their jobs when they're at work. Personal lives are totally different. Logic would tell you that you're not your job. You are human.

This is really a non-issue brought about under suspect timing of trying to swing voters across the line.

But like I said, it's like a business relationship. I give diddly about what he does when he gets home.

Am I going to buy something more expensive from Mr./Mrs. "holier than thou" (that's ya'll's mantra) just because he's morally upright according to your stringent Christian values and [he/she] never even thinks about cheating on their spouse?--chances are, probably not. You probably wouldn't either.

I won't lie, when I vote I'm voting for the most bang for my buck and to get the best deal--and most likely, and hopefully, I'll have more going on in my life than to sit and judge someone for things they like to put on the cover of The National Enquirer. That's why this soap opera stuff doesn't matter, it's whoever will give you the best deal when they get in there--and like any good business man, deliver for the people/your customers.

Though I'm sure John has a lot of apologizing to do to his wife, the race goes on regardless.

Oh, and as far as Edward having power. He's a Congressman. He already has enough of that.... and judging by his taste, I'm with Dooms. I'm not sure the man has good judgment, afterall.

Ben, you have a lot of company among your fellow liberals: no real standards; just whatever feels good. Not all of you are that way, but enough.

:rolleyes:

[Ben_n_austin]

I can't say what I would like to say about this post, so I will just say one word.

Sad.

I can imagine, Hos. But you won't find me judging a man for sins in his personal life. Edwards never ran on any overly religious reasoning and steered away from the zealot rhetoric.

You do know that this occurs to 50% of marriages, don't you? I don't get the fascination with politician's personal lives.

i could sum it up in so many words from an analytical standpoint, and why such a thing is so utterly silly. But it boils down, in my opinion, to just what you say.

People are sad, and they lead sad lives. I'm not defending Edwards. I don't have to because it's not necessary. He can do that himself.

I'll never understand why people are so drawn to the morbid or the salacious things, when those things have nothing to do with our reality.

[Ben_n_austin]

Well there was that one drunken night.

I swear, you could put all the lipstick, makeup and hair die on her that you wanted and she'd still look like my good buddy Steve.

[Ben_n_austin]

Ben, you have a lot of company among your fellow liberals: no real standards; just whatever feels good. Not all of you are that way, but enough.

:rolleyes:

Personally, I've been a so-called sinner. I've F'd up in life. And I've paid for my mistakes and learned valuable lessons from them.

He should learn something from it. If not, he'll at least get a dose of humility. I couldn't be more sincere when I say more politicians need to be brought down to earth.

As I said, I can't judge someone for this. Though I stopped viewing him as a serious candidate a long time ago... for lacking the ability to come up with substantive ideas about tough issues.

Oh, no! Did I just call "my own company" out..........

Pfft.

[Ben_n_austin]

Happens a lot when reading his posts.

I wallow in glee when I read yours.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Ben, you have a lot of company among your fellow liberals: no real standards; just whatever feels good. Not all of you are that way, but enough.

:rolleyes:

what exactly are the standards held by reactionaries errr conservatives?

[Ben_n_austin]

Good to see Edwards is in favor of some drilling. :lmao:

Joke of the day. :D

[Eric_Boyer]

I don't know how anybody was ever fooled by this plastic man.

[Ben_n_austin]

I don't know how anybody was ever fooled by this plastic man.


As a not so wise man once said, "you fool me, you don't get fooled again." (I'm sure that's how it [the saying] goes in Tennessee, too.)



A lot of people have been fooled--for a long 7 years and counting.

[Ben_n_austin]

I don't know how anybody was ever fooled by this plastic man.


Tell me, just how were people "fooled"?

[Eric_Boyer]

Tell me, just how were people "fooled"?

I can tell when he lies...his lips are moving

[Ben_n_austin]

I can tell when he lies...his lips are moving

But can you tell me what's different about him than any other politician who "fools" people?

I interpret what you're saying as not really having a point--kinda like "passing wind" at the issue while having no real basis for argument..

[Eric_Boyer]

But can you tell me what's different about him than any other politician who "fools" people?

I interpret what you're saying as not really having a point--kinda like "passing wind" at the issue while having no real basis for argument..

My point was he was one of the more obvious liars I can recall. Hence the post not understanding how anyone was ever fooled by him.

"I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen."

[iceberg]

O, God! I just saw her picture. She has the crazy woman look.... What was he doing? Hasn't he taken any notes from my man Dennis Kucinich? LOL

did you ever see nick nolte in the airport?

http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/19/nick-nolte-crashes-in-hawaiian-airport/4

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2007/07/0718_nick_nolte_airport_faces_tmz.jpg

[Ben_n_austin]

My point was he was one of the more obvious liars I can recall. Hence the post not understanding how anyone was ever fooled by him.

That's a good quote that makes John look a little silly, if you take what he said out of context. However, in context, I think he was talking about disrespects and dishonorable deeds that go far beyond a little offshore drilling and have much more bearing on the country and the public than the headlines of The National Inquirer.

But hey, inquiring minds want to know this stuff.....

[Ben_n_austin]

did you ever see nick nolte in the airport?

http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/19/nick-nolte-crashes-in-hawaiian-airport/4

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2007/07/0718_nick_nolte_airport_faces_tmz.jpg

She looks halfway doable in some other pictures.... NOT! She looks like Nick Nolte! :laugh2:

[PosterChild]

Dallas lawyer Fred Baron paid for John Edwards' mistress to relocate

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/080909dnmetbaron.29aa166d.html

[Ben_n_austin]

Dallas lawyer Fred Baron paid for John Edwards' mistress to relocate

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/080909dynmetbaron.29aa16ou6d.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/080909dnmetbaron.29aa166d.html)

It's an interesting story that has taken wind for a day or two, but won't amount to much in the grand scheme of things unless you really thought Edwards was a player for Obama's VP. But I dropped Edwards like a bad habit when Gravel hit the scene for several reasons....

On that note, does anyone think my dream of Gravel as VP would help Obama any--or do you think his over-the-top personality would hurt O?

[iceberg]

She looks halfway doable in some other pictures.... NOT! She looks like Nick Nolte! :laugh2:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/noltemug.jpg

[PosterChild]

It's an interesting story that has taken wind for a day or two, but won't amount to much in the grand scheme of things unless you really thought Edwards was a player for Obama's VP, but I dropped Edwards like a bad habit when Gravel hit the scene.

On that note, does anyone think my dream of Gravel as VP would help Obama any--or do you think his over-the-top personality would hurt O?

I don't; I think O needs a trusted,venerable sort, and even after Gravel's nomination bid, only political junkies know him...Gravel's own kin make him wear a name tag at family functions...

I'm guessing Biden.

[Ben_n_austin]

Dallas lawyer Fred Baron paid for John Edwards' mistress to relocate

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/080909dnmetbaron.29aa166d.html



It sounds like wifey already knew of this, but they were media-dodging. Now, my guess is, the D-crew is assessing "damage", but not because they were banking on Edwards. Rather, so they can aim their counter attacks/arguments in the right direction.

[Ben_n_austin]

I don't; I think O needs a trusted,venerable sort, and even after Gravel's nomination bid, only political junkies know him...Gravel's own kin make him wear a name tag at family functions...

I'm guessing Biden.

I won't vote for that ticket. No me gusta.

Thoughts on other VP candidates?

[Ben_n_austin]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/noltemug.jpg

Hot... "bartender, I'll have another.... add extra olives and a short mini skirt with that umbrella." :D

[Eric_Boyer]

That's a good quote that makes John look a little silly, if you take what he said out of context. However, in context, I think he was talking about disrespects and dishonorable deeds that go far beyond a little offshore drilling and have much more bearing on the country and the public than the headlines of The National Inquirer.

But hey, inquiring minds want to know this stuff.....

What are you talking about?

This is a Edwards quote about Bill Clinton after his scandal surfaced.

[Ben_n_austin]

What are you talking about?

This is a Edwards quote about Bill Clinton after his scandal surfaced.

My mistake. I didn't think he'd throw Bill under the bus like that. (In the future, can you cite the source?)

And here is where I'll be honest with you. John Edwards takes a lot of positions that I don't, including rather unthinkable positions with fugly women.

That said, he was a slight glimmer of hope during the Bush bobble head years....

[Hostile]

I can imagine, Hos. But you won't find me judging a man for sins in his personal life. Edwards never ran on any overly religious reasoning and steered away from the zealot rhetoric.

You do know that this occurs to 50% of marriages, don't you? I don't get the fascination with politician's personal lives.

i could sum it up in so many words from an analytical standpoint, and why such a thing is so utterly silly. But it boils down, in my opinion, to just what you say.

People are sad, and they lead sad lives. I'm not defending Edwards. I don't have to because it's not necessary. He can do that himself.

I'll never understand why people are so drawn to the morbid or the salacious things, when those things have nothing to do with our reality.If you ever marry, and your wife cheats on you, don't forget your principles ideals.

[Ben_n_austin]

If you ever marry, and your wife cheats on you, don't forget your principles ideals.

Funny you say that; I'm as loyal as they come when in a monogamous relationship. Should I be embarrassed to say that I'm normally the so-called "victim" when cheating occurs?:o:

Apparently, I'm insensitive and too involved in my own world and priorities to lend the appropriate attention.... LOL

I honestly haven't cheated on even a girlfriend in 15 years. I get the principles behind the ideals of marriage = loyalty. ;)

You'd think I'd be jaded, but I just keep drilling. Eventually, I'll strike oil, gold... or even an average woman who is nice.........oh, what am I saying????? Anyone will do. LOL

By the way, PM me. I feel our relationship eroding and I want to address it before it becomes tainted.

K?

[bbgun]

Those are your values. I think what he does with a third party is his business, but his wife probably begs to differ. I kinda view personal lives of politicians like I do business men or teachers. I only look at how they do their jobs when they're at work. Personal lives are totally different. Logic would tell you that you're not your job. You are human.

I have no right prying into his relationship with Mrs. Edwards. But once he brings an outsider into the equation, it becomes everybody's business. Believe it or not, character matters. If he lies to his wife or violates an oath, voters will naturally wonder what else he's lying about. You seem to think that personal indiscretions should be forgiven so long as his politics align with your own. That is a decidedly minority opinion in this country, and rightly so. An affair can make a public servant susceptible to blackmail, influence peddling, or other nefarious external pressures. That's why it's our collective business. If you can't be moral, I'll settle for merely ethical.

[burmafrd]

Interesting how much effort Benny has put into defending adultery and lying.

[Ben_n_austin]

I have no right prying into his relationship with Mrs. Edwards. But once he brings an outsider into the equation, it becomes everybody's business. Believe it or not, character matters. If he lies to his wife or violates an oath, voters will naturally wonder what else he's lying about. You seem to think that personal indiscretions should be forgiven so long as his politics align with your own. That is a decidedly minority opinion in this country, and rightly so. An affair can make a public servant susceptible to blackmail, influence peddling, or other nefarious external pressures. That's why it's our collective business. If you can't be moral, I'll settle for merely ethical.

I guess it's hard to shock me when our "leader" is a flat out liar. Bush admits, though unwittingly, he lied here. WMDs???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvZLVzkE9zU
Nope....

Another lie?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSBgGXoNgrQ
Yep.

Was Saddam involved in Sept. 11th?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xRLiRqb8M
Nope.

I can't walk on water. And I'm not . But to me, adultery is a much lessor sin than the reckless causing the death of many innocent lives based on one so-called leader's deception to the public and his colleagues.

Snookie v. Treason deception.

I pick snookie-- it's an innate feature of being a male..... killing and greed is not.

[bbgun]

I guess it's hard to shock me when our "leader" is a flat out liar. Bush admits, though unwittingly, he lied here. WMDs???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvZLVzkE9zU
Nope....

Another lie?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSBgGXoNgrQ
Yep.

Was Saddam involved in Sept. 11th?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xRLiRqb8M
Nope.

I can't walk on water. And I'm not . But to me, adultery is a much lessor sin than the reckless murders of many innocent lives based on one so-called leader's deception to the public and his colleagues.

You wanna play "gotcha" games? Fine, let's play.

Dems lied, Americans died.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr88gkQ-QMY

P.S. Kudos for staying on-topic.

[iceberg]

can't walk on water. And I'm not .

then why the hell are we paying attention to you? : )

[Ben_n_austin]

then why the hell are we paying attention to you? : )

I guess that's a question you should ask yourself. But be careful. We got ourselves in trouble paying attention to Bush's WMD/terror/Jihad rhetoric....

[Ben_n_austin]

You wanna play "gotcha" games? Fine, let's play.

Dems lied, Americans died.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr88gkQ-QMY

P.S. Kudos for staying on-topic.

No problem. The last I looked Edwards wasn't running for President and Obama hasn't nominated him squat.

Does this look good for Edwards? not really.... but have fun making Edwards your scapegoat for now. This bit of fluff won't last long, because it's a non-issue.

I was an Edwards fan at one point, but I don't even want him as VP if that tells you what I really think of him. Follow the money: The only contribution I made was less than $200 to Gravel, but at least I cared enough to make one while knowing Gravel was a long shot.....

[iceberg]

I guess that's a question you should ask yourself. But be careful. We got ourselves in trouble paying attention to Bush's WMD/terror/Jihad rhetoric....

so you're saying listening to an idiot can be counter productive.

so, why are we listening to you again? and please, don't kick your own nuts in your next reply. no matter how funny we may think it is.

[bbgun]

No problem. The last I looked Edwards wasn't running for President and Obama hasn't nominated him squat.

Um, he's still a high-profile figure in the Democratic Party. He was on Obama's list as a possible veep, and was scheduled to speak at the Dem convention later this month. What kind of selfish ******* would run for the nomination while parading his cancerous wife about and knowing that if he won, this story could have come out at any time — maybe in October — screwing up his party's chances. By all means, please cling to the fiction that this was a "personal matter" or "no big deal."

Does this look good for Edwards? not really.... but have fun making Edwards your scapegoat for now. This bit of fluff won't last long, because it's a non-issue.

Tell that to his family. Tell that to the people he's lied to or asked to lie for him.

I was an Edwards fan at one point, but I don't even want him as VP if that tells you what I really think of him. Follow the money: The only contribution I made was less than $200 to Gravel, but at least I cared enough to make one while knowing Gravel was a long shot.....

This Mike Gravel?

Former Democratic presidential candidate Mike Gravel was caught on tape last week telling a crowd in Washington, D.C., that they should harass a federal prosecutor who helped bring criminal contempt charges against a Palestinian activist.

“Find out where he lives, find out where his kids go to school, find out where his office is, picket him all the time,” Gravel said, in an audio tape obtained by the Investigative Project on Terrorism and provided to FOX News.
“Call him a racist in signs if you see him. Call him an injustice. Call him whatever you want to call him, but in his face all the time.”

You really know how to pick 'em.

[iceberg]

I guess that's a question you should ask yourself. But be careful. We got ourselves in trouble paying attention to Bush's WMD/terror/Jihad rhetoric....

no.

we get ourselves in trouble by giving a freaking moron the benefit of doubt.

ability to be equal.

just because you can talk doesn't mean it will be worth hearing.

[Hostile]

Funny you say that; I'm as loyal as they come when in a monogamous relationship. Should I be embarrassed to say that I'm normally the so-called "victim" when cheating occurs?:o: Interesting. May we assume Mrs. Edwards was too? You have experienced the same type of pain yet excuse her husband. Might I take it that you were as forgiving and understanding when the girl in your life was cheating on you? If you were anything but understanding with them as they confessed their indiscretions it makes you a hypocrite. Sorry to be so blunt, but you're the one who said this isn't a big deal in comparison to the Political avenues you dislike.

Apparently, I'm insensitive and too involved in my own world and priorities to lend the appropriate attention.... LOLI think you're too involved in finger pointing to ever reflect inwardly.

I honestly haven't cheated on even a girlfriend in 15 years. I get the principles behind the ideals of marriage = loyalty. ;) Shouldn't matter to you how loyal you are to them or how disloyal they are to you. You've already stated in this thread that support of any effort led by Bush is worse.

You'd think I'd be jaded, but I just keep drilling. Eventually, I'll strike oil, gold... or even an average woman who is nice.........oh, what am I saying????? Anyone will do. LOL Amazing. Some with so little respect for marriage vows still hopes to have a golden marriage. Why? It's obviously more important that she agree with your politics. I'm having a hard time imagining how you pass these principles on to your children. "Hey kids, Mom will be home late tonight. She's flat on her back at a Holiday Inn, but bless her heart, she's still on the right political platform. Don't you kids ever forget that. Fidelity doesn't matter. Political stability, is key.

Good luck. I think you're going to need it.

By the way, PM me. I feel our relationship eroding and I want to address it before it becomes tainted.

K?I question many people when they say something utterly ridiculous. It doesn't taint them in my eyes. I expect political fanaticism from you Ben. It dates back to days when I could disagree with you about football and get a political label in return from you. It clearly bothers you that I won't bleet like a sheep for any political party. Let it bother you, you're fanaticism will never change who I am and what I believe in. You can rail against the Right until you are blue in the face. On the issues from teh Right that I agree with I will hold firm, same as I do with issues on the Left. No one owns my allegiance. No one ever will. It's very liberating.

If you feel the need to discuss something, send a PM. I will have the courtesy to answer, but I don't feel anything is wrong. I just think you said something very dumb, and I called you on it. Nothing more.

[burmafrd]

Interesting how the libs like Benny treat things like marriage vows, telling the truth, etc.

[Ben_n_austin]

Um, he's still a high-profile figure in the Democratic Party. He was on Obama's list as a possible veep, and was scheduled to speak at the Dem convention later this month. What kind of selfish ******* would run for the nomination while parading his cancerous wife about and knowing that if he won, this story could have come out at any time — maybe in October — screwing up his party's chances. By all means, please cling to the fiction that this was a "personal matter" or "no big deal."



Tell that to his family. Tell that to the people he's lied to or asked to lie for him.

You mean like Bush told the media when he lied to them towards the end of the '04 campaign, so they'd go on to the next (more favorable) questions. It's politics. They call it a dirty science for a reason....

Not to metion, while I do see your point about this coming out as an issue for Edwards, I don't see what it has to do with Obama. They haven't aligned themselves, publicly. So to say he was a VP candidate is speculation unless you have some Norsish inside info. we don't know about. If that's the case, please do share.



This Mike Gravel?

Former Democratic presidential candidate Mike Gravel was caught on tape last week telling a crowd in Washington, D.C., that they should harass a federal prosecutor who helped bring criminal contempt charges against a Palestinian activist.

“Find out where he lives, find out where his kids go to school, find out where his office is, picket him all the time,” Gravel said, in an audio tape obtained by the Investigative Project on Terrorism and provided to FOX News.
“Call him a racist in signs if you see him. Call him an injustice. Call him whatever you want to call him, but in his face all the time.”

You really know how to pick 'em.Yep, Good 'old Mike who supports accountability of elected officials... and of course free speech and the right to protest, peacefully.

...is now a member of the Libertarian party.

[Ben_n_austin]

Interesting. May we assume Mrs. Edwards was too?

You may. But I'd like to point out that'd be a fictional assumption--a hypothetical. Neither you nor I can tell Mrs. Edwards how to feel. She may follow Hillary's footsteps and turn it into a presidential bid. If I remember correctly, she's a rather astute individual. Yet, apparently ended up with a cheating husband and player to boot.

While we're assuming, can we assume the Republican leaders have done this as well?


You have experienced the same type of pain yet excuse her husband. Who am I to excuse or not excuse anyone in their personal lives and personal relationship. The ramifications of his disloyalty to his wife affects him, not me.

Tell me, do you really hate the guy that much? I honestly don't like him all that much. If you've noticed, I haven't supported him whatsoever in '08. I view him as somewhat of an insignificant competitor... a fluff candidate if you will.

I just find it humorous that this is such a huge issue, though the Republicans had a prominent member of their party soliciting gay sex in a public restroom at the airport. Yet, the left leaning members are immoral as a whole, because of another's love life.

Might I take it that you were as forgiving and understanding when the girl in your life was cheating on you? Eh, not so much "understanding" in the sense that you mean it here. But I was understanding that they were packing their things and headin' on down the road. I understood that.

If you were anything but understanding with them as they confessed their indiscretions it makes you a hypocrite. Oh, I understood loud and clear. The action speaks louder than words. As I said, I understood it wasn't going to work. I'm not going to get mad over it. Rather, I see it as a blessing in disguise because I found out sooner rather than later....

I've had open relationships, too, where that's not against the rules. So I'm not a serial monogamist altogether. But I do know my limitations.

Sorry to be so blunt, but you're the one who said this isn't a big deal in comparison to the Political avenues you dislike.Is this...finger pointing, perhaps?


I've never had a problem with blunt. Nor do I have a problem with your view on the matter. I personally don't see it as an issue. And I don't think those voting for Obama will hold Edwards' actions against him. That'd certainly be silly.

I think you're too involved in finger pointing to ever reflect inwardly.I do like to make sense out of things. And I'm working on the so-called introspection of self thing--every day. Thanks for the reminder.

Shouldn't matter to you how loyal you are to them or how disloyal they are to you. You've already stated in this thread that support of any effort led by Bush is worse.To clarify, I meant his primary effort was far worse than Edwards "criminal" act.

Amazing. Some with so little respect for marriage vows still hopes to have a golden marriage. Why? It's obviously more important that she agree with your politics. I'm having a hard time imagining how you pass these principles on to your children. "Hey kids, Mom will be home late tonight. She's flat on her back at a Holiday Inn, but bless her heart, she's still on the right political platform. Don't you kids ever forget that. Fidelity doesn't matter. Political stability, is key.Personal privacy trumps my own personal views on marriage. You can't mix everything in with politics.

That's the problem with the neo-con movement. They want strict enforcement of their religious principles through government.

And I can appreciate the humor, as it is funny, but what should I say to that ?

Because if you think you're actually even close to my perspective on the matter as a whole, you're wrong. It's a logical assumption, I suppose, given some of my written thoughts. But it goes deeper than that.


Good luck. I think you're going to need it.I'll take it.

I question many people when they say something utterly ridiculous. It doesn't taint them in my eyes. I expect political fanaticism from you Ben. It dates back to days when I could disagree with you about football and get a political label in return from you. It clearly bothers you that I won't bleet like a sheep for any political party. Let it bother you, you're fanaticism will never change who I am and what I believe in. You can rail against the Right until you are blue in the face. On the issues from teh Right that I agree with I will hold firm, same as I do with issues on the Left. No one owns my allegiance. No one ever will. It's very liberating."Bleeting" like sheep? I guess we could call it that. I'm definitely not wholly on board with any party. I lean heavily left right now, but that's because I foresee another turn right resulting in disaster.

You can call me a political fanatic, a liberal, opinionated... but I call it patriotism. But not patriotism in the neo-con sense-i.e.-the patriot act, rather patriotism in the sense that I want what I think is good for my country--and not just a select few "privelaged".

If you feel the need to discuss something, send a PM. I will have the courtesy to answer, but I don't feel anything is wrong. I just think you said something very dumb, and I called you on it. Nothing more.Dumb is a matter of opinion. I know many who'd probably argue against that statement on the grounds of what my "liberal" mind is capable of.

I'm going places. I just want the rest of the country to come along for the ride. ;)

[hairic]

I just find it humorous that this is such a huge issue, though the Republicans had a prominent member of their party soliciting gay sex in a public restroom at the airport. Yet, the left leaning members are immoral as a whole, because of another's love life.

I don't usually post such stuff, because the only relevance is that it just shows hypocrisy among politicians, but here's a guy pushing sex ed legislation (abstinence) who sexually assaulted a 14 year old girl. I bet you can't guess the party.

Article basically states rape, but that's not the charge.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/missouristatenews/story/3D590F8A376046948625749D0070B9D8?OpenDocument

Anyway, carry on.

[Ben_n_austin]

so you're saying listening to an idiot can be counter productive.

so, why are we listening to you again? and please, don't kick your own nuts in your next reply. no matter how funny we may think it is.

:abuseme: <---- me

[Ben_n_austin]

I don't usually post such stuff, because the only relevance is that it just shows hypocrisy among politicians, but here's a guy pushing sex ed legislation (abstinence) who sexually assaulted a 14 year old girl. I bet you can't guess the party.

Article basically states rape, but that's not the charge.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/missouristatenews/story/3D590F8A376046948625749D0070B9D8?OpenDocument

Anyway, carry on.

O heavens, we should indict all Republicans for--at least--statutory rape and party disloyalty.

The indictment identifies the victim only by initials. It says that on May 17, Muschany "had deviate sexual intercourse" with the girl, "knowing that he did so without" her consent.

On second thought, why don't we start some R = "Rapists" rhetoric? That'd really get the McFlame crowd riled up with defense, because it's an indictment of the party as a whole, right?

Uh, huh....

[Ben_n_austin]

so you're saying listening to an idiot can be counter productive.

so, why are we listening to you again? and please, don't kick your own nuts in your next reply. no matter how funny we may think it is.


no.

we get ourselves in trouble by giving a freaking moron the benefit of doubt.

ability to be equal.

just because you can talk doesn't mean it will be worth hearing.

Speaking of kicking yourself, you might want to kick the habit of replying to the same post twice or answering yourself--whatever you were doing.

I got the point the first time that you didn't like my joke. Repetition works, but it's lame--

[iceberg]

so you're saying listening to an idiot can be counter productive.

so, why are we listening to you again? and please, don't kick your own nuts in your next reply. no matter how funny we may think it is.

:abuseme: <---- me

Speaking of kicking yourself, you might want to kick the habit of replying to the same post twice or answering yourself--whatever you were doing.

I got the point the first time that you didn't like my joke. Repetition works, but it's lame--

you mean like you just did? how come you can but i can't? lib trait to be sure. : )

[PosterChild]

Thar's a Cowboys game today

[bbgun]

Here's how you do it, John. Look, but don't touch. :)

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3415/62228628ya5.jpg

[Ben_n_austin]

you mean like you just did? how come you can but i can't? lib trait to be sure. : )

...but I like my habits and I want to keep them. That's what makes me a lib. I said you might want to. I said nothing of me sacrificing my habits what-so-ever. LOL

[Ben_n_austin]

Here's how you do it, John. Look, but don't touch.

You know, that company Nike® gets a bad rap.... :D

[Ben_n_austin]

Thar's a Cowboys game today

I thought it was on Sunday. What time does the game come on?

[WoodysGirl]

Newy Scruggs Blog

I Was At The Beverly Hilton With John Edwards
Published August 9, 2008 Uncategorized 0 Comments

Yep, I was staying there. July 21st. The same night former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards was caught seeing former staffer Rielle Hunter at the Beverly Hills Hilton.

I was sleeping in the late 2AM hour when the National Enquirer busted him coming out of her hotel room with his alleged child. Edwards pulled a Billie Jean proclaiming, ”the kid is not my son”.

Here’s my question, if they affair was over and he was repairing his marriage with his wife, why did he go visit Hunter in Beverly Hills and her child? Who does this? It sure makes me think he is the father. Hunter is also being funneled to Hunter by a former Edwards staffer.

Boy, I was suckered.

I really thought highly of John Edwards and believed in his campaign message. He was a champion of the working people, he wanted health care for those who could not afford it.

As a voter I don’t want to hear Democrats or Republicans ever talk about “morals” in campaigns again. They just don’t have any.

The former North Carolina Senator was running around on his wife who has battled cancer. That makes Edwards look really bad as a human.

We all make mistakes, but this man blasted President Bill Clinton for his conduct with Monica Lewinsky saying nine years ago, “I think this president has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter.” Shame on Edwards.

[Ben_n_austin]

Here’s my question, if they affair was over and he was repairing his marriage with his wife, why did he go visit Hunter in Beverly Hills and her child? Who does this? It sure makes me think he is the father. Hunter is also being funneled to Hunter by a former Edwards staffer.

:huh: Strange things be a going on....

[PosterChild]

I thought it was on Sunday. What time does the game come on?

9 Cowboys Central Time

[Ben_n_austin]

9 Cowboys Central Time

I'll be wearing blue. :starspin I like the intro.

[iceberg]

...but I like my habits and I want to keep them. That's what makes me a lib. I said you might want to. I said nothing of me sacrificing my habits what-so-ever. LOL

now that's funny.

[Ben_n_austin]

now that's funny.

Yeah, heaven forbid you take a swipe at yourself while giving others a rhetorical arse kicking. :D Someone told me the other day, the whole I'm right your wrong is what is wrong with politics.

I see their point.

And these discussions are sometimes sad and petty even at the highest levels of "debate". It's a catch-22, though. We're stuck in the never ending cycle of seemingly perfectly staged back and forth banter.

The arguments are pretty complex, considering the crap we sometimes discuss as important news.

Ready for some football?

[iceberg]

Yeah, heaven forbid you take a swipe at yourself while giving others a rhetorical arse kicking. :D Someone told me the other day, the whole I'm right your wrong is what is wrong with politics.

I see their point.

And these discussions are sometimes sad and petty even at the highest levels of "debate". It's a catch-22, though. We're stuck in the never ending cycle of seemingly perfectly staged back and forth banter.

The arguments are pretty complex, considering the crap we sometimes discuss as important news.

Ready for some football?

damn skippy. : )

[yeahyeah]

21 people got blown to bits and 74 injured yesterday in Iraq..that got 15 seconds....and this was PLASTERED all over the TV...priorities...its sickens me.
Why anyone...would care about what ANYONE does with their penis who is not married to that person or directly poked by said penis...astonishes me.

[burmafrd]

Yes man, I guess you have not figured out the real world yet. Call us when you do.