Bill Parcells PC Thread

[T-New41]

PC is supposed to be at 130, I will be listening and posting a report of what is said. Anyone elso who is listening please post as well.

[Bach]

Here's a pre-cap:

"This team stinks"

"This team is stupid"

"I'm embarrassed"

"I have no answers"

End of PC

[Jarv]

Keith Davis hip flexor...

Problem getting players to understand the situation...Thought they would play better in 2nd half...self destructed.

Long Pass was back breaker, until that thought we had a chance to win.

The only team I can't to respond the right way....of all of the teams I coached....The team should no better...Practiced 100's of times. It deosn't seem to get through to them.

Fair catch on punt. Run to the goal line and face the ball to see where its coming from. We can't do simple things like that, even though we have gone over it 50 times.

Roller coaster pre-season on....Do good and regress back. Lost guys so harder to go forward.

We are not playing smart and disciplined football...Blaming himself for that, but he's coaching the same way he has for years. He doesn't understand it.

Personal changes, he doesn't know. He's lost on fixing the team.

He has never been so frustrated before in football.

We don't recognize opportunities....

Looking at numericial things...There are some areas where we are supieor.

We can't rush the QB...Played good on dropping 6-7 CB back.

Jerry is not making personel decisions on the team. Emphatic about that.

Not changing the roster...Not giving up on the season.

If I could make a postive change, I would.

Team was lethargic, he saw it in warm ups.

Done talking about QB....Keep asking, the answer is not changing, I will let you know if there will be a change.

Drop balls yesterday, guys did not step up. 4-5 drops...We hardly had any drops all year.

We have a chance to get better, but not sure if we will...10 of the 1st 17 plays was run. Pinching the inside, we don't have speed to get to the outside.

Will you use Rasad Lee at RB ? Nope, don't trust him in pass protection. I don't trust him when he does not have the ball. He has trouble paying attention to details when he is not running the ball.

Running backs in this leauge will not play if they can't pass block.

If we had executed at the half, or beginning of the 3rd quarter. Great screen call and a blocker missed a block. Would have been a great play.

Its no going the way I hoped it would, we have lost guys to complicate the process.

We are not creating on D either.

I don't have choices for personel change. No options.

Why should I have to explain to you about the QB...Vinny has thrown for 2,000 yards in half a year. Won't put in a guy who hasn't played in 3 years. Don't ask me over and over about this.

Dinapoli on IR. Woodsen returns to practice.

Teams have success and get full of themselves. Team accross the leauge get full of themselves, like Carolina...Then fold.

Up and down, means players don't understand situations and opportunities. Don't understand what this leauge is about.

Veteran guys he has are lethargic, he said they are in the mix like everyone else.

No real discipline problems.

There is always next Sunday.

The coach's a pretty well fed up with me.

I have been lower key with this team, not beating them up, encouraging them instead.

[TheHustler]

"In the game until is was 16-3. That was a back breaker."

[Kittymama]

Thought yesterday was a good opportunity. Even at the half felt we had a chance. Backbreaker was the long play in the 3rd quarter. Obviously not getting thru to the team. Only team he's had that he can't get them to get past things they should know better about.

Are elementary basic things he can't get into them. Example is fair catch--all they've ever been told is run to the goalline then turn around & look for the ball. We had a player yesterday stand there & watch the guy take the ball.

Don't seem to have anything else to motivate them. They'll do a bit better then regress. Now we've lost guys so it's harder to go forward. Very disappointing. It's the elementary things that we're still doing to hurt us is the most disappointing. Takes that as a personal reflection on him so he has to figure out what he's doing wrong. Doing the same thing he's done for 16 years, but still not working. Does spontaneous things in practice--did on Friday & the team did well, but on Sunday they screwed it up.

[Juke99]

Doing the same thing he's done for 16 years, but still not working. .


Never mind...

[Kittymama]

Yesterday, thought we had a very good chance. At this point, teams start backing up. If we'd gone 4-4, we would have had a chance to go forward while others went backwards. Now we're going backwards.

Very frustrated & exasperated. They're still not getting the basic things. Either he's not getting the message across or they're just not getting it. "It must be me."

Q: Should he have called the team stupid yesterday (bringing up Callahan)? I was just telling the truth. Should I have said something else? They're doing dumb things. They're playing with a lack of intelligence. How else would you like me to say it? Seems like we have a collective mindset. Don't recognize opportunity or when the game can turn our way.

[TheHustler]

- Making too many mistakes. Players arent responding.
- It's a reflection on my coaching. I've coached the same way I always have.
- Ran a spontaneous practice play on Friday, ran it well. Ran the play in the game, ran it terribly.

[Eddie]

Doing the same thing he's done for 16 years, but still not working.

Before Landry was fired back in 1989, he planned on using the same Offense he developed back in the 60's.

That scared the crap out of every Cowboy fan.

I think this statement by BP should bring out the same fear ...

The NFL has changed. What worked 16 years ago, no longer does ..

[Chocolate Lab]

Just as I feared... He said we're similar or improved in several areas on offense from a year ago, but much worse defensively... :(

Please Bill, admit that the offense is horrible....

[TheHustler]

- Jerry isn't making any personnel decisions. I am.

[T-New41]

Injuries:
Keith Davis - strained hip flexor

Film from yesterday was disheartning

Question : Where do we go from here:
Bill : Depends on how players respond. Having difficulty getting players to understand the situation. Players didnt respond in second half, self-destructed and lost the game. Long pass in 2nd half was the back breaker when score was 16-3. Cant get the team to respond to what he is trying to get them to do. Not just one little thing, many things keep seeming to back fire, even though these are things they practice 100's of times.

Just doesnt seem to be getting through to the players. Doesnt know if he has any motivational tools left to try on this team. Team has been a roller coaster since pre-season. Injuries piling up make it harder to go forward, to get better.

Bill says he needs to look at himself and figure out what he is doing wrong. PLays that look good in practice fall apart during the game.

Question: Are you surprised your team is taking steps backward??
Bill : no, doing the things this team does, it is not surprising.

Question : Is this the most exasperated you have ever been with a team?
Bill : Yes. The mistakes being made are elementry type mistakes, and nothing he is doing is correcting it.

Question : When you call players "stupid" do you think they will start listening?
Bill : Not calling individuals stupid, calling groups as a whole. We are doing dumb things as a team. Not going to shield them, if they are doing dumb things he will tell them.

Team is not playing collectively. Offensively, not much difference between this years team and last years team. Defensively much worse than we were last year (duh)

Question : Will the QB position be addressed this week?
No, Jerry is not making personell decisions (reporter referenced jerry's comments)

Reporter : why?
Bill : Doesnt want to let the team think we are giving up the season, will not make a change at the QB position this week.

[Kittymama]

THE question! Jenny asking about QB change. Jerry indicated yesterday... "Jerry isn't making the decisions on personnel changes. I am." Does that mean no change this week? "I'm not saying that." Why not? "If I make a change it means I've given up on the season."

(Other listeners--did I get that exchange correctly?)

[Kangaroo]

He said making a QB change is quiting on the season

Well that answers that we sux and I not watching another game until Vinny is benched

He is not going to talk about it anymore

[Midswat]

Press conference coverage is a lot better . . . you can actually hear the questions . . .

[LaTunaNostra]

Yes, KM, if not verbatim, darn close.

Bill said the team looked "lethargic" in pre game drills yesterday, as tho the players had" watched the tapes, and decided how hard we had to play". Not sharp.

Mentioned all year the O wasn't dropping balls, and now four or five were dropped yesterday.

[Everlastingxxx]

Yippie we get more Vinny!!!

[Kittymama]

"I'm done talking about QB. I'll let you know if there's a change."

We've hardly dropped any balls this year. Yesterday we dropped a bunch.

Do you think the team can snap out of it? I'm hoping so. I think we have a chance. Whether we will or not, I don't know. I can't tell you what their frame of mind is.

Question about running plays: 10 of the first 17 plays were runs. We didn't have a lot of success. Tried to get outside a few times, didn't work. We tried to get the run established, it just didn't work well. Ran the ball 27 times out of 57 plays. Didn't do it too well.

What goal for the team? I don't know. Maybe to win a game.

***Doesn't trust Rashard Lee on pass protection. Any time he doesn't have the ball in his hands it's hard to put him in. I'm hoping he can be put in. But, unless he's running the ball he doesn't pay attention. He's a liability. That's where he's got to round his game up.

[TheHustler]

Q: Why isn't Rashard Lee playing more?
A: Pass protection. I don't trust him. He doesn't look good in practice. Even in special teams returns, when he doesnt have the ball he is a liability not an asset.

[LaTunaNostra]

Pretty clear on Lee - can't follow blitz schemes well.

[Kangaroo]

Bill still does not trust Lee on pass protection
basicly says he is distracted when he does not have the ball

Ok this team is shot Eddie does a horrible job of blitz pick up yet we start him

This is crap

[Jimz31]

Holy cow.....he still doesn't trust Lee in pass protection? I seem to remember Lee picking up the right guys and EG and RA picking up either nobody or the wrong guy on occasion.

Just give him the freakin' ball.

It seems to me that now BP is just making excuses for not playing Lee more. JMO.

[Bach]

THE question! Jenny asking about QB change. Jerry indicated yesterday... "Jerry isn't making the decisions on personnel changes. I am." Does that mean no change this week? "I'm not saying that." Why not? "If I make a change it means I've given up on the season."

(Other listeners--did I get that exchange correctly?)


But playing Vinny means we still have a chance? A chance at what?
We've started Vinny for the first 8 games and we're 3-5. We have the toughest part of the season ahead of us. Even if we miraculously went 5-3 the rest of the way we'd still only be 8-8.

Bill thinks starting Henson = giving up. Well starting Vinny isn't getting us anywhere. What a joke.

[Everlastingxxx]

wow Parcells defends Vinny to the death...can u imagine if Quincy had thrown 6 INTs in 2 games?

Lee cant pick up the blitz...um what the hell does that have to do with giving him carries???

[Jimz31]

Shoot, you wouldn't have to worry as much about blitz pick-ups if you had at least a SEMI-MOBILE QB. Geez!

[Jimz31]

Alot of BS spin.

Come on reporters....don't let him get away with all of this crap.

[Kittymama]

Don't just look at the offense. We're not creating anything on defense either. This isn't just offense.

I don't have a lot of [personnel] choices right now. There just aren't a lot of choices.

Why not so open about the QB situation? "I'm being as honest as I can. You just don't like the answer, so you keep asking." We have a guy who's thrown better than last year. Why take an unproven guy who hasn't played for 3 years & throw him into adversity now? Lack of receivers, youth at receivers--why throw him in? You don't like the answer, but you're pissing me off with the question.

[TheHustler]

Woodson returning to practice status.

[Kittymama]

DiNapoli going on IR; Woodson being returned to practice.

Did success come too quickly last year for some of these guys? Don't know. You see that with some teams from last year who got full of themselves. Also for some teams with fast starts this year. Us, Carolina, Tampa Bay.

From TC on, it's been a task to get solid improving performance. Up, then down. Nowhere near what a normal course of events should be. Is an indication the players just don't understand the situation. To be lethargic in a game like yesterday shows they just don't understand the situation or this season, where we were or where we are.

How surprised that even your guys & veteran guys were lethargic? They're in the mix with everyone else.

Anything you like about the team? No discipline problems. On time, noone overweight. No additional headaches.

One of the great things about this league is that there's always next Sunday.

Pretty sure my coaches are fed up with me right now. But I've taken a lower key approach with this team. I'm not beating them up like I have with other teams. Quite apparently I'm not getting thru. Retrospectivally, it's a mistake.

Schedule for Monday night game? Practice Wed. thru Sat.

[T-New41]

Reporter : Was the loss yesterday due to lack of effort?
Bill : team was lethargic, didnt take the bengals seriously

Bill : Does not want to talk about QB right now. Same answer as last week and the week before. Will tell us when there will be a change

Reporter : Do you think the team can turn the season around?
Bill : thinks it is possible but doesnt know how the players will respond.

Reporter : DO you wish you ran the ball more vs Bengals?
Bill : 10 of first 17 plays were runs and they werent getting it done. Tried to establish the run but it wasnt working.

Reporter : Will you start running Reshard Lee more?
Bill : DOesnt trust him in pass protection. Doesnt pay attention to other details besides running the ball in practice. Until he shows that improvement he will not get increased playing time.

Reporter : WHat went wrong with Vinny yesterday?
Bill : Vinny got rattled, tried to make some plays happen, forced the ball. Believes he will bounce back. WOnt talk to Vinny today, but might talk to him sometime this week.

Reporter : Didnt get the question
Bill : Thinks if we would have executed better in the 3rd quarter we could have won the game. Thats when we lost the game.

Bill : we are not as good this year as I had hoped. DOnt blame the players, blame me.

Reporter : Asked why he doesnt want to answer the QB question when he says the best player will play.

Bill : WHy would you want to throw a player who hasnt played football in 3 years into a situation like the Cowboys are currently in (no running game, no receiving corp etc)

Dinapoli will probably go to Injured reserves, Woody will be brought back for practice (has about 3 weeks to evaluate Woody to see if he will get back this year or not)

The way the team played yesterday shows the players dont understand the situation, dont understand the league

Things Bill likes about the team
-no discipline problems
-players arent overweight

Bill : Has taken a lower key approach, hasnt been hammering them, hasnt been beating them up, has been trying to positively enforce them , obviously something is not working.

Practice Wed through Saturday.

Thats all folks...

[Yakuza Rich]

Please Bill, admit that the offense is horrible....


Problem is the offense isn’t horrible. Far from it. Go to NFL.com and look at the stats. Moved the ball well all year.

Posted up 31 points against Detroit without 2 of our top receivers.

Running game is horrible because Eddie George is horrible. VT has played two awful games (NYG & Cincy), but has otherwise been good and considering how bad the running game is, he’s not as bad as it seems.

The defense is horrible. But, the offense has come a long way. If Washington had our offense, they’d be in the playoffs easily.


Rich…………….

[Kittymama]

wow Parcells defends Vinny to the death...can u imagine if Quincy had thrown 6 INTs in 2 games?

Lee cant pick up the blitz...um what the hell does that have to do with giving him carries???

Sorry to poke holes in your argument, but if Q had thrown 6 INTs, he'd have still played. And you folks still wouldn't have liked Bill. As I recall, there was an awful lot of complaining about the Q last year, & BP defended him every time.

[Sportsbabe]

Has not been beating up on the team. Has been encouraging them. Oh snap!!! That's it!!! He needs to start getting up in that :eek:

[Chocolate Lab]

Problem is the offense isn’t horrible. Far from it. Go to NFL.com and look at the stats. Moved the ball well all year.

Posted up 31 points against Detroit without 2 of our top receivers.

Running game is horrible because Eddie George is horrible. VT has played two awful games (NYG & Cincy), but has otherwise been good and considering how bad the running game is, he’s not as bad as it seems.

The defense is horrible. But, the offense has come a long way. If Washington had our offense, they’d be in the playoffs easily.



Let me correct that... Yesterday the offense was horrible. Moving the ball doesn't mean much when you turn it over four times in one game, and seven times in the last two games.

And the main reason I don't like the comment is that I've heard similar things in his postgame comments. It almost sounds like the offense is his side of the ball while the defense is Zimmer's side of the ball, and he's deflecting blame from himself.

[LaTunaNostra]

Thank Jarv, KM, Hustler, T-New and all others who listened and chimed in here..

[Everlastingxxx]

Sorry to poke holes in your argument, but if Q had thrown 6 INTs, he'd have still played. And you folks still wouldn't have liked Bill. As I recall, there was an awful lot of complaining about the Q last year, & BP defended him every time.

Your kidding right. How many times did we hear Parcells say about Quincy "he is far from perfect"? I am not a Q supporter...but he was benched after throwing 3 Ints in the Cardinal game. I think Vinny needs to be benched. He and Keyshawn are one of the reasons this team cant win.

[Kangaroo]

Problem is the offense isn’t horrible. Far from it. Go to NFL.com and look at the stats. Moved the ball well all year.

Posted up 31 points against Detroit without 2 of our top receivers.

Running game is horrible because Eddie George is horrible. VT has played two awful games (NYG & Cincy), but has otherwise been good and considering how bad the running game is, he’s not as bad as it seems.

The defense is horrible. But, the offense has come a long way. If Washington had our offense, they’d be in the playoffs easily.


Rich…………….Not true he played bad against the Brows with 3 picks

The defense bailed him out on that on

Also Vinny has fumbled in every game except one (Lions) He has not lost all them but he has killed drives with the fumbles.

So add in the Fumbles the Browns, Giants bengals game and the current record 3-5 and the lack of emotion You tell me how good is he really playing

[DLK150]

Here's what I got...

Here's what I got....

Davis strained hip flexor.
Where we go depends on how players respond. He's having trouble getting them to understand the situation.

Even at the half. I expected we would come out and do better.

Had a big play beginning the 3rd, but self-destructed.

Until it was 16-3, that was the back breaker. Up until then we had a chance.

Can't get them to respond the right way. Never had that problem. We continue ot be a team that continues to do things that we should know better.

We've practiced things 100s of times, but when we get in the game, it just seems to backfire.

There were a few positive things, but mostly things went the other way.

Just doesn't seem to be getting through, very simple, elemntary things.

Cites example of a guy signaling for a fair catch. Teaches that you should run to the goal line, turn and look for the ball. Had a guy standing 10 yards off the goal line, watching the ball go in the end zone.

Doesn't know if he has any "motivational buttons" left to push. We've been on the same roller coaster all year long, back to preseason.

Now we've lost guys, and it makes it harder to go forward.

The elementary things that we're not doing that are hurting us is the worst part.

We're not playing disciplined or smart, that reflects on me.

He's coaching the same way he's always coached.

This is the most frustrated he's ever been with a team by far.

Either I'm not communicating right, or they're not paying enough attention. Assumes it's him.

Collectively, we're performing with a lack of intelligence.

Not singling out younger or veteran players.

We're not much different offensively than last year. Several areas we're superior. Big drop off defensively.

Had more success on defense yesterday dropping men off the line.

No personnel changes right now. He's in charge of personnel changes.

Doing so would signal that he's giving up on the season.

We don't have a lot of choices to do so.

We gave them the opportunity to win the game. They didn't dominate the game, we just kept giving them chances.

We were lethargic, looked it in warmups.

It was like we looked at the film on Cincy, and decided how hard we had to play.

No more QB questions. You keep asking, the answers not changing. He'll let the media know when it does.

We had some drops yesterday, they get their chance to step up, and they didn't. Drops were a problem, and they really hadn't been.

He's hoping we can still snap out of it.

We've got a tough 2nd half, we really have to step it up.

Whether we will or not remains to be seen.

Tried to run, but didn't have much success. We don't have perimeter speed. We did run, but just didn't do it well.

He doesn't trust Lee on pass protection, that's why he doesn't use him. He goes by what he sees of him in practice.

Hopeful he can still come along. Has trouble paying attention to other details beside running.

If you can't pass protect or follow blitz schemes, you can't play RB in this league, especially with as much passing as there is.

He's not saying the players have let him down, he's just exasperated with the situation.

Certainly thought we'd be doing better than we're doing.

Regarding JJ's comment on personnel decisions, we just don't have a lot of choices.

Don't ask about QB any more. It's pissing him off.

DiNapoli will go on IR. We'll probably get Woodson in practice.

Every year you have teams that have success, and drop off the next year. Some teams started off fast this year, but have hit a lull. It happens every year.

To be lethargic in a game like yesterday indicates they don't understand the situation, the opportunity, the way the league works.

One thing he likes about the team is he doesn't have discipline problems. Overweight, late, etc.

[Sportsbabe]

I agree with BP about the QB questions. He's already said adamantly that he's not going to make a change. Somebody needs to start asking him is there anybody else on the team that can play on the lines (D & O)? And no matter what he says about the running game, the reporters need to keep hammering him about Reshard Lee. His reasons for not playing him is acceptable if we had somebody else. Not using Reshard as a rusher is STUPID (to use a Bill-ology). Put him in on running downs, duh!!!!

[Everlastingxxx]

I agree with BP about the QB questions. He's already said adamantly that he's not going to make a change. Somebody needs to start asking him is there anybody else on the team that can play on the lines (D & O)? And no matter what he says about the running game, the reporters need to keep hammering him about Reshard Lee. His reasons for not playing him is acceptable if we had somebody else. Not using Reshard as a rusher is STUPID (to use a Bill-ology). Put him in on running downs, duh!!!!

Because hes not a Parcells guy sweetie. All playmaker players that do not have a prior history with Parcells must be shipped out ASAP. :eek:

[chicago JK]

Thanks for the work guys. Again, I don't have a problem waiting for Drew. I would like to see him get at least 6 games now that the season is almost over, but hopefully they are challenging him in practice and getting him ready.

I am surprised no one questioned him why he didn't get Drew in the game with two minutes left in the 4th quarter. Did he really need Vinny in there to hand off to R. Lee? It would be an ideal situation to get Drew some real, life action even if it was just handoffs. God help us, if Vinny gets hurt against Philly or Baltimore and needs to get his first live snaps against those blitz happy defenses.

[Bach]

Reporter : WHat went wrong with Vinny yesterday?
Bill : Vinny got rattled, tried to make some plays happen, forced the ball. Believes he will bounce back. WOnt talk to Vinny today, but might talk to him sometime this week.


Vinny's only had 19 years of experience...he needs more time.

[dbair1967]

Bill still does not trust Lee on pass protection
basicly says he is distracted when he does not have the ball

Ok this team is shot Eddie does a horrible job of blitz pick up yet we start him

This is crap

George and Anderson are responsisble for 3, maybe 4 of the 14 sacks allowed...they suck running the ball

this is just like that Chan Gailey crap "we want WR's who can block"....Parcells' stubborness with the rb's is costing this team games...its really stupid

David

[Duane]

Thanks for the PC reports!!!

[dcdallaschick]

I watched most of the PC on ESPNNews and saw the stats from the game. The numbers for both teams were pretty much identical...excepting sacks, turnovers, and penalties. (Apparently the holy trinity of Cowboys football these days)

I think this proves Bill's point about losing by playing stupid more than anything else. Lack of focus (fair catch thingy) and lack of concentration (how 'bout we try holding on to the ball when we're tackled, mm-kay?) are the hardest things to teach/fix.

OK, the running game still sucks, but it did last year and we made the playoffs. I also don't think we can overestimate the effect of playing so many rookies right now, chiefly at WR and in the secondary.

So, I still back Bill. I don't see anybody out there I'd rather see out there on Sunday.

[HowAboutThemCowboys]

First he says that he's been doing the same things for the last 16 years, then goes on to say that he's not "Hammering" this team like he usaully does. Which is it Bill? I sure have seen alot of shots of BP chewing his QB's arse out when they play poorly over the years.......why haven't we seen VT getting chewed out?

This team is'nt responding to him because he's gotten SOFT! :mad:

[Sportsbabe]

So, I still back Bill. I don't see anybody out there I'd rather see out there on Sunday.

I still back Bill also, but everybody needs to catch heck after this dismal showing.

[Kittymama]

Your kidding right. How many times did we hear Parcells say about Quincy "he is far from perfect"? I am not a Q supporter...but he was benched after throwing 3 Ints in the Cardinal game. I think Vinny needs to be benched. He and Keyshawn are one of the reasons this team cant win.

The benching was under Campo, correct? I don't recall Parcells benching Q. Bill is criticizing Vinny plenty. He also defended Q plenty last year--& was ridiculed for it.

Do you remember last week's game? Was I just hallucinating, or was that Key making the catches? I don't know where you get that he & Vinny are one (not to pick nits, but that actually makes TWO) reason the team can't win. I'm not defending their play yesterday; there were a lot of veterans who screwed up yesterday (LA comes to mind). However, you also have to realize that he's going to be double-teamed constantly until Morgan comes back.

[Kittymama]

I still back Bill also, but everybody needs to catch heck after this dismal showing.

I have a feeling everyone is going to catch a lot more than heck this week! And Bill is going to be beating himself up plenty too.

[T-New41]

Bill sounded like he has given up. Although his words say he hasn't, his tone betrays him. I cant tell, because I was listening to a radio feed, but it sounds like he is at the point where there is simply nothing he can do with this current team.

As he says, there is no discipline problems, everybody is putting in the effort during practice. During practice, they execue marvelously, then come game day they regress to what we saw on Sunday (well I didnt see it b/c I was at work, but I did see the GB game)

This team might just need to be blown up and started from scratch. The sad thing is, that compared to last year, this team HAS pretty much been blown up and started from scratch.

[Deane62]

I agree with BP about the QB questions. He's already said adamantly that he's not going to make a change. Somebody needs to start asking him is there anybody else on the team that can play on the lines (D & O)? And no matter what he says about the running game, the reporters need to keep hammering him about Reshard Lee. His reasons for not playing him is acceptable if we had somebody else. Not using Reshard as a rusher is STUPID (to use a Bill-ology). Put him in on running downs, duh!!!!

If Lee only comes in when he's going to rush the ball it's going to be pretty easy to defense. There's alot to playing runningback in the NFL besides just running the ball. If he's not doing the other things then he shouldn't be in. Hopefully Julius will be back soon and solve our rb problems.

[Everlastingxxx]

The benching was under Campo, correct? I don't recall Parcells benching Q. Bill is criticizing Vinny plenty. He also defended Q plenty last year--& was ridiculed for it.

Do you remember last week's game? Was I just hallucinating, or was that Key making the catches? I don't know where you get that he & Vinny are one (not to pick nits, but that actually makes TWO) reason the team can't win. I'm not defending their play yesterday; there were a lot of veterans who screwed up yesterday (LA comes to mind). However, you also have to realize that he's going to be double-teamed constantly until Morgan comes back.


What has Parcells said about running backs that fumble? He said not matter what they do, they are not worth it if they fumble. Same is true for a QB that throws Ints, WR that fumbles and runs bad routs. I know everyone on this board is in Keyshawns jockstrap, i am not. He is a good player but he is just as guilty as Vinny for all those picks. Id rather have Antonio and Henson instead of these losers.

Against Philly same ole same ole will happen...Vinny throw picks, Key runs bad routes and fumbles, Lee not playing.

[Oh_Canada]

What has Parcells said about running backs that fumble? He said not matter what they do, they are not worth it if they fumble. Same is true for a QB that throws Ints, WR that fumbles and runs bad routs. I know everyone on this board is in Keyshawns jockstrap, i am not. He is a good player but he is just as guilty as Vinny for all those picks. Id rather have Antonio and Henson instead of these losers.

Against Philly same ole same ole will happen...Vinny throw picks, Key runs bad routes and fumbles, Lee not playing.


I agree wholeheartedly. This is baloney....the guy clearly has two sets of rules....one for "his" soldiers and one for everyone else.
In the press conference he said that Vinny was "trying too hard" which resulted in the mistakes.... does that mean the other guys were somehow trying less or just stupid because they don't seem to get the benefit of the doubt from Bill. Why is Vinny exempt from criticism by our coach?

Parcells than went on to say that Henson will not play because the guy hasn't been on a football field in three years.....so do you expect him to perform like a saviour next year when it becomes four? Why are the Dallas media so afraid to ask these questions?

Another comment..."Lee cannot be trusted because of his pass blocking"....well I got news for you, Vinny cannot be trusted with a football in his hands Bill and your great-blocking backs suck donkey-u-know-what!!
If Vinny had any sort of mobility I guarantee you Lee would be playing, but because our QB is a fossil he has to play the vets in order to keep Vinny intact.

The bull**** is killing me!

[Chocolate Lab]

I know everyone on this board is in Keyshawns jockstrap, i am not. He is a good player but he is just as guilty as Vinny for all those picks.
Totally agree... And while it's nice that Keyshawn told the media that those two INTs were his fault last week, it's not as if it erases those plays. Instead of admitting blame, how about not screwing up any more?

And why is a vet like Keyshawn making those mistakes anyway?

[BrownSugar]

Totally agree... And while it's nice that Keyshawn told the media that those two INTs were his fault last week, it's not as if it erases those plays. Instead of admitting blame, how about not screwing up any more?

And why is a vet like Keyshawn making those mistakes anyway?
That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out, how can you "trust" him if he keeps f'ing up every game.

[Everlastingxxx]

Totally agree... And while it's nice that Keyshawn told the media that those two INTs were his fault last week, it's not as if it erases those plays. Instead of admitting blame, how about not screwing up any more?

And why is a vet like Keyshawn making those mistakes anyway?

I don't remember Michael Irvin making all these mistakes. Everyone gives credit to Key and Parcells for taking blame...well ummm id hope so! Sad when we have to applaud players for taking blame.

[The Great Number 8]

Tough job being a coach....take a rag tag collection of losers who went 5-11 three straight years, get them into the playoffs, then it seems as though he should be fired for being two games under .500 at the midway point.

I'm not saying that I agree with everything he's done, but some people here should reconsider:

1. Start Henson next week. Out of football for three years, then start on Monday night against the best team in the NFC against a coach who throws about 30 different blitz combinations to confuse even vet QBs, with Keyshawn, Jason and a bunch of 7th round, undrafted free agent types for receivers. I'm not saying Drew shouldn't play this year, but this is not a good situation. Maybe we could just trash his confidence in practice and save him the beating. At least wait until Quincy Morgan comes back to give him a chance.

2. Reshard Lee. I don't know everything about Parcells, but I do know he likes to win. If he believed in Reshard, he'd play. The problem with only putting Reshard in when he's going to get the ball, is that we might as well tell everyone on the other side of the ball what play we're going to run. That, and if he can't pick up a blitz, our QB will get killed, no matter who it is.

[The Major]

Not true he played bad against the Brows with 3 picks

The defense bailed him out on that on

Also Vinny has fumbled in every game except one (Lions) He has not lost all them but he has killed drives with the fumbles.

So add in the Fumbles the Browns, Giants bengals game and the current record 3-5 and the lack of emotion You tell me how good is he really playing

"...he played bad against the Brows with 3 picks..."

Imho, he didn`t. VT was actually having an outstanding game up until those picks. In fact, if it wasn`t for the HUGE plays that he made, Dal. never would`ve been in position to win in the 1st place. Without VT`s HUGE plays, Dal. most likely would`ve gotten blown out!

"...Also Vinny has fumbled in every game except one (Lions) He has not lost all them but he has killed drives with the fumbles..."

And this makes up about 1% of Dal.`s total no. of off. drives. An almost countless no. of other off. drives have been killed for other reasons having nothing to do with VT!

"...So add in the Fumbles the Browns, Giants bengals game..."

Imho, VT didn`t actually have a bad game against the Giants. Dal. abandoned the passing game for almost the entire game from VT`s TD pass which put Dal. up 10-3. This knocked VT completely out of the good rythm he was getting into. He was never really able to get into a rythm again because of all the running!

"...and the current record 3-5..."

It could just as easily be 4-4 or 5-3 if not for 1 FREAKISH, FLUKISH play against Pitts. and a horrible game plan and play-calling, etc., against the Giants.

"...and the lack of emotion..."

Most of that lack of emotion is on def. Last I checked, VT doesn`t play def. The emotion on off., with the possible exception of the Cin. game, imho, has actually been OK considering all the injuries, trades, etc., that have taken place. Players like KJ and VT won`t let there be a lack of emotion on off.

Imho, 6 picks in the last 2 games is also very deceiving. 2 weren`t VT`s fault and VT more than made up for the ones against Det. by making enough HUGE plays in the passing game, including a TD run and 3 TD passes. The last TD pass was a thing of beauty and clinched the victory over Det. All the picks actually did in the Det. game was keep it from being a blow-out.

Of course, also Please keep in mind that VT`s had to play without almost any weapons on off. the past 2 weeks, except for that flash of a running game against Det. It`s no coincidence then that he`s started throwing more picks the past 2 weeks. And you guys actually want to throw Henson into this situation!??? I agree with Parcells that such a thing just shouldn`t be done! It`s not a fair test of Henson and could hurt his comfidence, etc. All we`d likely find out is just how poorly Henson can play with almost no weapons on off. Meanwhile, VT proved against Det. that he can play well even with almost no weapons on off.

Thus, in the humble opinion of several experts, up until the the Cin. game, VT was having a Pro Bowl-Type season!

[Everlastingxxx]

up until the the Cin. game, VT was having a Pro Bowl-Type season!

9 TDs, 10 Ints (3rd most in the NFL)
Notice Quincy has a 156.3 Rating, lol.

[The Major]

9 TDs, 10 Ints (3rd most in the NFL)
Notice Quincy has a 156.3 Rating, lol.

VT had 9 TD`s and 7 picks before the Cincy game with a very good QB rating in the high 80`s. Even as it stands now, his QB rating`s still good in the low 80`s.

As for Quincy, he doesn`t exactly have a valid no. of pass atts. yet. Regardless, that`s pretty funny, anyway. LOL ;) :) :D

[silver]

It was like we looked at the film on Cincy, and decided how hard we had to play.
He's hoping we can still snap out of it.

We've got a tough 2nd half, we really have to step it up.

To be lethargic in a game like yesterday indicates they don't understand the situation, the opportunity, the way the league works.


The team was looking past the Bungles and got bit in the arse. You could tell by the comments during the week about being 4-4 at mid point. The saw the schedule and figured it was an automatic W. And the bungles were home dogs by 1 point. anybody who is a gambling man knows home dogs always cover the spread. and at one point we didn't have a chance. for some reason pride kicks in when you're a underdog at home.

[Chuck 54]

Sorry to poke holes in your argument, but if Q had thrown 6 INTs, he'd have still played. And you folks still wouldn't have liked Bill. As I recall, there was an awful lot of complaining about the Q last year, & BP defended him every time.
Are you BP's mama?

[BrownSugar]

Are you BP's mama?
ROFLMAO :) , now that was funny..

[Screw The Hall]

If Lee only comes in when he's going to rush the ball it's going to be pretty easy to defense. There's alot to playing runningback in the NFL besides just running the ball. If he's not doing the other things then he shouldn't be in. Hopefully Julius will be back soon and solve our rb problems.

My problem with this statement is two-fold.

Number 1 ... When you have a positive going ( and we don't have many going right now ), make the other team stop what you are doing well.Don't stop that positive momentum yourself with hypothetical reasoning.

Lets let the other team stop Lee for an extended period just one game. Please. I don't want to hear how easy it is to defend Lee if other teams are sure we're going to run it when he's in (which I believe is BS anyway).

I want them to prove how easy it is to defend, because up to this point the only coach who has stopped Lee is our own. I don't want to hear about the problems Lee is having in pass protection I want to see those problems demonstrated in a game multiple times. Our other backs are allowed their own breakdowns, how is it only Lee needs to be perfect to get playing time. Or is it he just needs to be perfect in practice? Which brings me to point ...

Number 2 ... When all else fails how a player performs in games trumps how he performs in practice.

This is an area of coaching that Jimmy Johnson was lightyears ahead of Parcells in.

If you don't perform to his liking in practice you won't see the field very often for Parcells. Under Johnson that was usually the case but he always left the door open for a gamer (see Haley) to be an exception to that rule.

It seems to me that there have been a whole lot of "practice superstars"(D.Stewart,J.Brooks,J.Powell,B.James,R.Coleman... amoung others) under Parcells but often times that productivity doesn't translate to the field come Sunday.

Parcells is complaining right now that players are fooling him in practice by performing smartly there, only to get to the games and screw up those very same things they did well. Tell you what then, how about when we start giving the 'ada boys(and playing time) out we start with the guys who are performing in games first ... like Lee.

[Jimz31]

My problem with this statement is two-fold.

Number 1 ... When you have a positive going ( and we don't have many going right now ), make the other team stop what you are doing well.Don't stop that positive momentum yourself with hypothetical reasoning.

Lets let the other team stop Lee for an extended period just one game. Please. I don't want to hear how easy it is to defend Lee if other teams are sure we're going to run it when he's in (which I believe is BS anyway).

I want them to prove how easy it is to defend, because up to this point the only coach who has stopped Lee is our own. I don't want to hear about the problems Lee is having in pass protection I want to see those problems demonstrated in a game multiple times. Our other backs are allowed their own breakdowns, how is it only Lee needs to be perfect to get playing time. Or is it he just needs to be perfect in practice? Which brings me to point ...

Number 2 ... When all else fails how a player performs in games trumps how he performs in practice.

This is an area of coaching that Jimmy Johnson was lightyears ahead of Parcells in.

If you don't perform to his liking in practice you won't see the field very often for Parcells. Under Johnson that was usually the case but he always left the door open for a gamer (see Haley) to be an exception to that rule.

It seems to me that there have been a whole lot of "practice superstars"(D.Stewart,J.Brooks,J.Powell,B.James,R.Coleman... amoung others) under Parcells but often times that productivity doesn't translate to the field come Sunday.

Parcells is complaining right now that players are fooling him in practice by performing smartly there, only to get to the games and screw up those very same things they did well. Tell you what then, how about when we start giving the 'ada boys(and playing time) out we start with the guys who are performing in games first ... like Lee.

Nice post.

All that Lee has done in games is perform. When he is in there, he has picked up the blitz just fine. He'snever made a mistake during a game that I have seen in reference to a blitz pick-up (the few times that he's had an opportunity).

Meanwhile, you have some older vets not getting to the guy blitzing or missing their man completely or getting blown up in the process.

Sorry, but BP's comments ring hollow to me.

[Deane62]

My problem with this statement is two-fold.

Number 1 ... When you have a positive going ( and we don't have many going right now ), make the other team stop what you are doing well.Don't stop that positive momentum yourself with hypothetical reasoning.

Lets let the other team stop Lee for an extended period just one game. Please. I don't want to hear how easy it is to defend Lee if other teams are sure we're going to run it when he's in (which I believe is BS anyway).

I want them to prove how easy it is to defend, because up to this point the only coach who has stopped Lee is our own. I don't want to hear about the problems Lee is having in pass protection I want to see those problems demonstrated in a game multiple times. Our other backs are allowed their own breakdowns, how is it only Lee needs to be perfect to get playing time. Or is it he just needs to be perfect in practice? Which brings me to point ...

Number 2 ... When all else fails how a player performs in games trumps how he performs in practice.

This is an area of coaching that Jimmy Johnson was lightyears ahead of Parcells in.

If you don't perform to his liking in practice you won't see the field very often for Parcells. Under Johnson that was usually the case but he always left the door open for a gamer (see Haley) to be an exception to that rule.

It seems to me that there have been a whole lot of "practice superstars"(D.Stewart,J.Brooks,J.Powell,B.James,R.Coleman... amoung others) under Parcells but often times that productivity doesn't translate to the field come Sunday.

Parcells is complaining right now that players are fooling him in practice by performing smartly there, only to get to the games and screw up those very same things they did well. Tell you what then, how about when we start giving the 'ada boys(and playing time) out we start with the guys who are performing in games first ... like Lee.


I think Parcells said in his press conference that Lee is messing up on special teams when he doesn't get the ball. If he can't do it in practice and he can't do it on special teams in games, he shouldn't be in the game on offense.

[DoomsDayD]

You know why i want to see more VINNY,i want to eyeball him run one more TD in like he did against the lions. Come on admit it....that was good/funny.

[Jimz31]

I think Parcells said in his press conference that Lee is messing up on special teams when he doesn't get the ball. If he can't do it in practice and he can't do it on special teams in games, he shouldn't be in the game on offense.

I didn't hear about the "in game" reference to special teams. You are always going to have somebody messing up an assignment somewhere, especially on special teams.....it doesn't mean that you bench him......especially since it is OBVIOUS that right now Lee is the best back on the team.

[Everlastingxxx]

I didn't hear about the "in game" reference to special teams. You are always going to have somebody messing up an assignment somewhere, especially on special teams.....it doesn't mean that you bench him......especially since it is OBVIOUS that right now Lee is the best back on the team.

Right now, Parcells will use any excuse to keep Lee from running the ball. What's next...Lee don't close his mouth when he chews??

[Sportsbabe]

I don't want to hear how easy it is to defend Lee if other teams are sure we're going to run it when he's in (which I believe is BS anyway).


Agreed. That's BSSSS. Tell that to The Bus on the goal line and 30 other running backs in the game. That's worse than the BP excuse.

[Juke99]

Holy cow.....he still doesn't trust Lee in pass protection? I seem to remember Lee picking up the right guys and EG and RA picking up either nobody or the wrong guy on occasion.

Just give him the freakin' ball.

It seems to me that now BP is just making excuses for not playing Lee more. JMO.


I agree regarding the excuses...

Geez...why doesn't a reporter ask, "If Lee is sitting because George is so much better at picking up the blitz, why is it that George is pulled off the field in passing situations?"

I am so sick of this...So, Lee sits on the bench on 1st and 10 because he doesn't pick up the blitz as well as Eddie, who has consistently fanned all year...AND Hambrick is gone, yet he was very good at blitz pick ups and runs better than George...

Every time I think I am going to lay off Parcells, I read his comments and my head explodes...

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I think Parcells said in his press conference that Lee is messing up on special teams when he doesn't get the ball. If he can't do it in practice and he can't do it on special teams in games, he shouldn't be in the game on offense.

If that's true then is BP saying that regardless of how well Lee has played and outperformed other RBs on offense in games, he will not play in games because he's not playing well on special teams? Sheesh, I hope that's not BPs reasoning.

AF

[Deane62]

I didn't hear about the "in game" reference to special teams. You are always going to have somebody messing up an assignment somewhere, especially on special teams.....it doesn't mean that you bench him......especially since it is OBVIOUS that right now Lee is the best back on the team.

He said that Lee only plays well when he has the ball. When he doesn't catch the ball on kick returns he doesn't do what he's supposed to. He at least gave the impression that this was a cronic problem and not an isolated incident. He mentioned a specific incident during the last game that cost them a lot of field position.

[Deane62]

If that's true then is BP saying that regardless of how well Lee has played and outperformed other RBs on offense in games, he will not play in games because he's not playing well on special teams? Sheesh, I hope that's not BPs reasoning.

AF
For Lee to be in the games at meaningful times he has to be able to pass protect. Parcells has made it clear that this is something that for whatever reason Lee won't or can't do. He doesn't trust him, so Lee won't play.

[Sportsbabe]

but it sounds like he is at the point where there is simply nothing he can do with this current team.


There is something he can do. Like he said a few PCs ago, get rid of these guys and get some new ones out there. Out of 50-something guys, I know he can interchange some pieces. Belichek does it all the time. I guess Belichek is a better coach than he is. One of those reporters need to hit him with that piece of wisdom :p

[Everlastingxxx]

For Lee to be in the games at meaningful times he has to be able to pass protect. Parcells has made it clear that this is something that for whatever reason Lee won't or can't do. He doesn't trust him, so Lee won't play.

It was pathetic that Lee was put in when the game was over.

[Juke99]

I agree wholeheartedly. This is baloney....the guy clearly has two sets of rules....one for "his" soldiers and one for everyone else.
In the press conference he said that Vinny was "trying too hard" which resulted in the mistakes.... does that mean the other guys were somehow trying less or just stupid because they don't seem to get the benefit of the doubt from Bill. Why is Vinny exempt from criticism by our coach?

Parcells than went on to say that Henson will not play because the guy hasn't been on a football field in three years.....so do you expect him to perform like a saviour next year when it becomes four? Why are the Dallas media so afraid to ask these questions?

Another comment..."Lee cannot be trusted because of his pass blocking"....well I got news for you, Vinny cannot be trusted with a football in his hands Bill and your great-blocking backs suck donkey-u-know-what!!
If Vinny had any sort of mobility I guarantee you Lee would be playing, but because our QB is a fossil he has to play the vets in order to keep Vinny intact.

The bull**** is killing me!

I guess we should start an offensive lineman in the back field as RB that way we have someone who can be great on the blitz....funny, Hambrick excelled at blitz pickups...uh..not much of an effort to keep him...

Now onto a point I've been trying to make for a long time...the media in Dallas does not hold his feet to the fire and the NY media did....NO COMPARISON...they'd be all over him.

He's come into town as football's answer to Elvis...and to my ears and eyes, he's become arrogant...in the past he was cocky...now he is simply arrogant...and btw, stubborn too...

[Juke99]

It was pathetic that Lee was put in when the game was over.


I posted earlier, that if I was Lee, I had given thought to saying "No thanks...I didn't put us in this mess..." I am beginning to think that the Bryant incident was an omen...

Ya know, you'd think that the guy's effort and energy would at least MEAN SOMETHING to Parcells...did you notice on his runs how hard he ran? And he popped up after each tackle with energy...and then in the press conference Parcells talks about the team being lethargic...well, how about putting in a guy with energy..the proverbial change of pace guy he's mentioned in the past...

[MichaelWinicki]

I guess we should start an offensive lineman in the back field as RB that way we have someone who can be great on the blitz....funny, Hambrick excelled at blitz pickups...uh..not much of an effort to keep him...

Now onto a point I've been trying to make for a long time...the media in Dallas does not hold his feet to the fire and the NY media did....NO COMPARISON...they'd be all over him.

He's come into town as football's answer to Elvis...and to my ears and eyes, he's become arrogant...in the past he was cocky...now he is simply arrogant...and btw, stubborn too...


Hey Juke, does LaTuna know you think Bill's arrogant? :D

[Everlastingxxx]

I posted earlier, that if I was Lee, I had given thought to saying "No thanks...I didn't put us in this mess..." I am beginning to think that the Bryant incident was an omen...

Ya know, you'd think that the guy's effort and energy would at least MEAN SOMETHING to Parcells...did you notice on his runs how hard he ran? And he popped up after each tackle with energy...and then in the press conference Parcells talks about the team being lethargic...well, how about putting in a guy with energy..the proverbial change of pace guy he's mentioned in the past...

Lee exploded through the line and in a few carried was the top rusher. Eventually Lee is gonna be run out of town for whatever reason...Parcells ego possibly.

[Jarv]

For Lee to be in the games at meaningful times he has to be able to pass protect. Parcells has made it clear that this is something that for whatever reason Lee won't or can't do. He doesn't trust him, so Lee won't play.

Ya know BP said today that the team practiced a play last Friday multiple times and it went perfectly without a hitch...Then come game time they blew it.

Well, as stated by many...In the few times I've seen Lee in there he has picked up the blitz with no problem. Had the throw back to Vinny on the trick play against Detroit, no problem.

So the players (Not sure who they were) practiced a play perfectly on Friday, but blew it in the game.

Sounds like Lee is missing things in practice (For BP to make those comments) but I have yet to see him miss a blitz pickup in a game ? If anyone has I'm sure I could have missed it ? But I haven't seen him miss one yet ?

So my theory is Lee is missing blitz pickups in practice, but making them during his limited playing time...

Others are practicing perfectly, but messing up in games.

Now BP has talked about great practice players, who just don't cut it in games. Could the reverse be true. So, theoretically could be playing the better practice players but not the better game players ?

[Everlastingxxx]

Now BP has talked about great practice players, who just don't cut it in games. Could the reverse be true. So, theoretically could be playing the better practice players but not the better game players ?

Don't buy into Parcells BS, he doesnt like Lee for some reason...probably Lee dont kiss his a**.

[Juke99]

Hey Juke, does LaTuna know you think Bill's arrogant? :D


Shhhhhhh...I wanted to break it to her very gently...

Ya know, me and Musie get along REALLY well...but we're like Mary Matlin and James Carville in a marriage...

[MichaelWinicki]

Shhhhhhh...I wanted to break it to her very gently...

Ya know, me and Musie get along REALLY well...but we're like Mary Matlin and James Carville in a marriage...


But could produce the same ugly kids?

[Juke99]

But could produce the same ugly kids?


I don't know what LTN looks like...Carville is only slightly better looking than me...so all the pressure would be on LTN... :D

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't know what LTN looks like...Carville is only slightly better looking than me...so all the pressure would be on LTN... :D


LOL!

When someone says they are only slightly less attractive than James Carville that's like saying I'm only slightly less bright than Forest Gump.

LTN... She said something not long ago about being a 34-D. If that's the case just don't look at her face, it doesn't matter. :D

[Rack Bauer]

This thread is hilarious. Some of you people seriously need to calm down.


We aren't losing cuz of Vinny.

We aren't losing cuz we aren't playing Lee.

We aren't losing cuz of Parcells' Ego.

We're losing cuz we've got a ton of injuries, and a lot of them to key members (Glenn, Campbell, and Woodson mainly).

There's a ton of reasons why we're losing, but most of you haven't named any of those reasons yet.

Here's one reason I believe we're losing (Not the main reason, but ONE OF the reasons): Parcells has the players acting as "robots" now. All of them are in shape. All of them practice hard. None of them are head cases.

What's missing from that? IMO, Emotion is missing. Football is a game that emotion is a big part of. I think the team needs to be a bit more expressive. Even if sometimes it's a bit negative. We're really missing that with Woodson and Campbell out.

The fact is we're losing cuz we aren't that good. You can break it down by position, and see that we're not very good.

Look at our DL. Our best DE is Greg Ellis. He's solid, but Ideally you'd want him to be the "other" guy. He should be our second best DE, not out best DE.

Our DTs... and this one, along with DE, works twofold. 1) We don't have a good enough run stuffer on the team. 2) Glover's talents aren't being used correctly. He's a pass rushing demon that has to play "read and react". THat's the same as getting Herschel Walker (an excellent "I" back, and forcing him to play in a proset offense).

Our LBs... I think Dat Nguyen is fine, but he's suffereing a bit w/o a good run stuffing DT on the team. Coakley is ok, but we need better. James, I'm afraid, isn't gonna be a great OLB. I think he'll be a solid LB and a solid special teams player. Singleton is, and always has been, just a solid LB. If we had a good run stuffing DT Nguyen would be playing at a probowl level. We'd still need a "Playmaker" at OLB. Hopefully we'll get one next year.

CB... the one thing that hurts our CBs the most is a lack of a pass rush. Our pass rush sucks mainly cuz of the scheme, but also cuz we just don't have much talent there. Newman's aggressive play (early in the season) wouldn't of been a bad thing if we could get to the QB quickly. A QB shouldn't have time to sit back there on 3rd and long and allow his WRs/TEs to be making double moves all over the field. When they have the time to run those type of routes, the blame falls on the DL, and in the case the DL and the SCHEME.

Safety... Roy is not only playing out of position, but he's being forced to play "Set" zones. I think he should be allowed to "freelance" and take advantage of his superious football instincts. When you're forced to play a set zone, it takes away the advantage of his instincts. Also, with Woody out... well we all know what Woody means to the defense. The other guys are just decent backups/ solid special teams players. You shouldn't expect anything above average from them on defense cuz you aren't gonna get it.

OL... I think the OL has been ok. But our lack of a running game hurts them cuz it allows the DL to pin their ears back.

RB... EG sucks. Plain and simple. I wasn't completely against him coming here cuz I thought he'd be strictly used in short yardage situations. No way should he be our starter. RA is a good RB when used sparingly. And I don't care WHAT YOU PEOPLE THINK if Lee can't figure out who to block in pass situations then YOU DON'T PLAY HIM. And if you ONLY give him the ball when he's in there then the defense would OBVIOUSLY pick that up. Parcells wants him to be a complete player and I'm all for that. I want to see Lee just as much as everyone else, but I want him to work for that opportunity. I want him to be a complete player.

QB... Get over it, Henson is not ready. Vinny isn't great. Never has been, but he's been better then average for most of this season. The last two weeks he's had to go w/o 2 of his top 3 WRs and w/no running game. The running game was only "decent" vs the Lions. Just like any other QB, when you have no running game, and only 1 WR and 1 TE to throw to, it makes things tough. Not to mention at least one of the INTs weren't even his fault. Deltha O'Neal used his INTSTINCTS (imagine that) and came off his man to make a play on a pass thrown to Keyshawn. ANY ONE OF YOU WOULD OF ALSO THROWN THAT INT. Keyshawn was WIDE OPEN, but at the last minute O'Neal let his man go and helped out with Keyshawn. No way would anyone of expected a CB to leave his man (that was running a streak) to come up on the shorter route. If the QB knew that, he would pumped the short route and thrown the streak. And on the int where he threw it deep to KJ it was just a great play by the CB. If I were the QB and saw Keyshawn one on one deep with a smaller CB covering him I'd throw it up there too. KJ had a good hold of the ball, then had it pulled away from him. Just a great play, but I'd take that chance every time. How do you think Jake Delhomme did so good last year? He just threw it up to Smith and Muhammed and let them make a play. This time, KJ didn't make the play, the CB did.

WR... injuries, plain and simple.

TE... Although Witten has been outstanding the last three weeks, we're really hurting at that position w/o Campbell's blocking and leadership. Witten's blocking is getting better, but that doesn't make up for Campbell's leadership.


So, people, quit playing the blame game. We just aren't that good for a variety of reasons. The team will improve as the season goes on. Will we make the playoffs? Probably not, but the main thing is for the team to improve and to carry some momentum into next season.

[Everlastingxxx]

We're losing cuz we've got a ton of injuries, and a lot of them to key members (Glenn, Campbell, and Woodson mainly).

There's a ton of reasons why we're losing, but most of you haven't named any of those reasons yet.

Every team in the NFL has injuries...no excuse, deal with it. We should have guys that can come in and pick up the slack.

I think anyone with at least one eye can see that Cowboys did not play with any emotion yesterday.

It doesnt really matter what excuse we can come up with, we need...or shall i say...Parcells needs to find solutions to fix these problems.

[MichaelWinicki]

Every team in the NFL has injuries...no excuse, deal with it. We should have guys that can come in and pick up the slack.

I think anyone with at least one eye can see that Cowboys did not play with any emotion yesterday.

It doesnt really matter what excuse we can come up with, we need...or shall i say...Parcells needs to find solutions to fix these problems.


Nothing wrong with this team an influx of say 6 #1 draft picks wouldn't cure... of course we need Ozzie Newsome to pickem but that's just the way things go. :D

[Rack Bauer]

Every team in the NFL has injuries...no excuse, deal with it


First of all, I said injuries is only PART of the reason. And anyone that thinks injuries don't effect how well a team plays is a serious moron. Every year you hear how "the team with the least amount of injuries usually makes it to the superbowl" or something along those lines. In today's watered down NFL, injuries have a HUGE impact. This isn't the NFL of 20 years ago where you had backups as good as the starters.

Great teams can somewhat overcome injuries (Philly and NE come to mind), but when you're an average (at best) team then injuries do major harm.

[Heisenberg]

This thread is hilarious. Some of you people seriously need to calm down.**MASSIVE SNIP**

You summed up exactly what I was thinking with that post. Bravo!
:D

[Rocky]

Haven't had a chance to read the forum much today...so how's the mood around here? Everybody feeling pretty positive?

[Juke99]

LOL!

When someone says they are only slightly less attractive than James Carville that's like saying I'm only slightly less bright than Forest Gump.

LTN... She said something not long ago about being a 34-D. If that's the case just don't look at her face, it doesn't matter. :D




See ya Winicki...when LTN reads this, I figure your ban from here will only be a month or so...

waving buhbye

[Juke99]

Haven't had a chance to read the forum much today...so how's the mood around here? Everybody feeling pretty positive?


LMAO :p

[MichaelWinicki]

See ya Winicki...when LTN reads this, I figure your ban from here will only be a month or so...

waving buhbye


Well I said I wasn't quite as bright as Forest Gump!

[silver]

First of all, I said injuries is only PART of the reason. And anyone that thinks injuries don't effect how well a team plays is a serious moron. Every year you hear how "the team with the least amount of injuries usually makes it to the superbowl" or something along those lines. In today's watered down NFL, injuries have a HUGE impact. This isn't the NFL of 20 years ago where you had backups as good as the starters.

Great teams can somewhat overcome injuries (Philly and NE come to mind), but when you're an average (at best) team then injuries do major harm.

but our front office should've done more in the offseason. woodson, for example, has been hurt the last 5 years with the exception of 2003. going into the season without any backups at safety was a major gamble. last time we lost woodson for the season we lost the remaining games at the end of that season (2000 or 2001 I cant remember exactly).

right corner has been hurt by injuries also but again what did we do in the offseason to shore up that position? draft some special teams guys in hopes someone can develop? can't blame hunter for getting hurt but when you're starting corner was someone elses practice squader a month ago something is wrong with your depht/talent at the position. and tyrone williams pulled a hammy. of course he did. he was thrown out there w/o any offseason conditioning/minicamps/training camp/preseason at all. it's a miracle he didn't blow a knee or something major.

AB was a pain in the arse, yes we all agree. but the guy played hurt all the time, and knew the offense. we trade him for a guy whose been nicked before and doesn't know the offense and after losing glenn (because after the bryant trade he becomes overloaded since he's the only playmaker left) he becomes your automatic starter? did we scout morgan or did we base this decision on some highlight reels?

Campbells injury was one where again we spent a high pick on a similar player and yet need to rely on someone elses practice squad player to replace him.

our front office and talent evaluators are in need of a major overhaul.

[SuspectCorner]

how many other teams would blame their lack of pass coverage on the absence of a 13 year veteran safety? this team has ALLOWED themselves to get too old and slow. resisting the change from EG to reshard lee is a classic example of where the team is going wrong. GOD intends for the young to replace the old. is parcells wiser than God?

[Redball Express]

He said making a QB change is quiting on the season

Well that answers that we sux and I not watching another game until Vinny is benched

He is not going to talk about it anymore


Bunker mentality.

Clearly.

And also in denial that the team he's created is an extension of himself. they don't want to play to his expectations. his goals are too lofty.

So..he needs to clean house and start all over. Should have done it more last year and certainly didn't do it enough it seems this year.

So, BP, roll up your sleeves and get to pruning, boy. I'll get the the dumptruck and you guys get the axes ready.

We got lots of deadwood to move by the beginning of summer next year.

Later.

Parcellswaterboy

[Hostile]

Will you use Rasad Lee at RB ? Nope, don't trust him in pass protection. I don't trust him when he does not have the ball. He has trouble paying attention to details when he is not running the ball.

Running backs in this leauge will not play if they can't pass block.
Then make him inactive or send him to the Practice Squad. Hell, waive him if he's that useless to you.

Judas Priest.

[Juke99]

Will you use Reshardd Lee at RB ? Nope, don't trust him in pass protection. I don't trust him when he does not have the ball. He has trouble paying attention to details when he is not running the ball.

Running backs in this league will not play if they can't pass block.

OK, this is the stuff that makes me even crazier than I already am..and a prime example of Parcells "teaching" everyone about football, the Parcells way...

UH, So Barry Sanders can't play in the NFL because he was lousy at blitz pick ups...same for Eric Dickerson..and oh yeah, I saw tons of blitz pick ups while watching Tony Dorsett...ya want modern day guys? Anyone watch Tomlinson for a while? Trust me, he doesn't pick up blitzes...When is the last time that Martz even left Faulk IN the back field on a passing down? And I suppose, Larry Centers stayed in the backfield to pass block during the season where he caught 100 passes...

Stated as an absolute..."Running backs in this league will not play if they can't pass block"...ridiculous...

If he wants to say, "In my system, I require running back to pass block and Lee still needs some work."

But it's a bit overkill to say that he doesn't "trust" the guy...and that he has trouble paying attention to details...how about being just a bit positive and simply saying, "He's got to learn some more, he's young and I dont think he's ready"

GEEEEZ, so friggin negative and then he wonders why the team is "lethargic and not getting it"

[Nors]

Will you use Reshardd Lee at RB ? Nope, don't trust him in pass protection. I don't trust him when he does not have the ball. He has trouble paying attention to details when he is not running the ball.

Running backs in this league will not play if they can't pass block.

OK, this is the stuff that makes me even crazier than I already am..and a prime example of Parcells "teaching" everyone about football, the Parcells way...

UH, So Barry Sanders can't play in the NFL because he was lousy at blitz pick ups...same for Eric Dickerson..and oh yeah, I saw tons of blitz pick ups while watching Tony Dorsett...ya want modern day guys? Anyone watch Tomlinson for a while? Trust me, he doesn't pick up blitzes...When is the last time that Martz even left Faulk IN the back field on a passing down? And I suppose, Larry Centers stayed in the backfield to pass block during the season where he caught 100 passes...

Stated as an absolute..."Running backs in this league will not play if they can't pass block"...ridiculous...

If he wants to say, "In my system, I require running back to pass block and Lee still needs some work."

But it's a bit overkill to say that he doesn't "trust" the guy...and that he has trouble paying attention to details...how about being just a bit positive and simply saying, "He's got to learn some more, he's young and I dont think he's ready"

GEEEEZ, so friggin negative and then he wonders why the team is "lethargic and not getting it"

the players are wrong. I've read a lot on Parcells and one of his biggest sore spots are rookie RB's that don't know where theay are and can't pickup a blitz.

I side with Parcells - VT is still standing and he's as imobile as the Statue of Liberty on sleeping pills..........

[Juke99]

the players are wrong. I've read a lot on Parcells and one of his biggest sore spots are rookie RB's that don't know where theay are and can't pickup a blitz.

I side with Parcells - VT is still standing and he's as imobile as the Statue of Liberty on sleeping pills..........


And it's ok for vets who can't pick up the blitz, like George who has wiffed on more than one occasion and who is pulled from the game on passing downs...

You don't have to have great blocking RBs to beat the blitz and you can be a statue at QB and still beat it.... Nors...history says so..:)

Ever hear of a guy named Joe Namath? Picked apart the vaunted Colt blitz in the super bowl...made a career out of destroying the blitz...Vinny isn't still standing because Anderson has done a great job picking up the blitz...Vinny is standing because he is smart enough to see it coming.

[blindzebra]

the players are wrong. I've read a lot on Parcells and one of his biggest sore spots are rookie RB's that don't know where theay are and can't pickup a blitz.

I side with Parcells - VT is still standing and he's as imobile as the Statue of Liberty on sleeping pills..........

I seem to recall you saying the season was over and we needed to see Romo and Henson, not that long ago.

I also noticed where Parcells said today that the offense this year was equal to last year and significantly better in several areas, but the defense ia playing much worse. ;)

[SuspectCorner]

And it's ok for vets who can't pick up the blitz, like George who has wiffed on more than one occasion and who is pulled from the game on passing downs...

You don't have to have great blocking RBs to beat the blitz and you can be a statue at QB and still beat it.... Nors...history says so..:)

Ever hear of a guy named Joe Namath? Picked apart the vaunted Colt blitz in the super bowl...made a career out of destroying the blitz...Vinny isn't still standing because Anderson has done a great job picking up the blitz...Vinny is standing because he is smart enough to see it coming.
namath was THE most immobile QB that rated greatness. he also had a quick release to rival marino - another immobile QB. vinny doesn't have the "vision" or release to rival either of these guys. what he has is experience. but, without the aid of enough good receivers, his experience won't save him from the beating he will take as teams begin to zero in on him with the blitz.

[Nors]

I seem to recall you saying the season was over and we needed to see Romo and Henson, not that long ago.

I also noticed where Parcells said today that the offense this year was equal to last year and significantly better in several areas, but the defense ia playing much worse. ;)

As I predicted Romo beat out Henson for #2 out of training camp.

Parcells flat out said VT was starter today and Henson not ready. I'm on record if Vinnie gets benched - Romo is then our starter. Henson is best served gettin practice reps and not abused.

Romo may be far closer to starting than you know. That would validate JJ/bp's apparant contradictory COMMENTS.............

[Juke99]

namath was THE most immobile QB that rated greatness. he also had a quick release to rival marino - another immobile QB. vinny doesn't have the "vision" or release to rival either of these guys. what he has is experience. but, without the aid of enough good receivers, his experience won't save him from the beating he will take as teams begin to zero in on him with the blitz.


And having Anderson standing next to him isn't going to make a bit of difference either...

The conversation has drifted a bit from my original point...ya know, RB's who can't pass protect dont play in the NFL...just pure garbage...

I guess Faulk doesn't play...and he is FAR from the only one...Tiki Barber pass blocking? Puhleeeze...

[Nors]

And having Anderson standing next to him isn't going to make a bit of difference either...

The conversation has drifted a bit from my original point...ya know, RB's who can't pass protect dont play in the NFL...just pure garbage...

I guess Faulk doesn't play...and he is FAR from the only one...Tiki Barber pass blocking? Puhleeeze...

Both have 3rd down type characteristics. Both are spunky players.

Other than the pass happy era St Louis era SB win their teams don't generally win SB'S.

Now if Lee was as good a RB as Barber, Faulk you might look past his mental lapses and poor blocking.


Fact is the kid went undrafted and was a backup at a small school in college. Dude aint the white horse.

[blindzebra]

As I predicted Romo beat out Henson for #2 out of training camp.

Parcells flat out said VT was starter today and Henson not ready. I'm on record if Vinnie gets benched - Romo is then our starter. Henson is best served gettin practice reps and not abused.

Romo may be far closer to starting than you know. That would validate JJ/bp's apparant contradictory COMMENTS.............

You flip, you flop, but guess what? YOU ARE STILL WRONG!

He did not say he was not ready, nor did he say Romo would start.

[Nors]

You flip, you flop, but guess what? YOU ARE STILL WRONG!

He did not say he was not ready, nor did he say Romo would start.

Try and slander me, I am dead on consistent. No FLIP FLOP. I said Romo would beat out Henson in preseason to be backup - he did.

I jave predicted Romo will replace Vinnie if he's benched. Can I be any clearer?


Relisten to BP on Henson today :p

[Juke99]

Now if Lee was as good a RB as Barber, Faulk you might look past his mental lapses and poor blocking.


.


Let's stick to the point Nors....I kinda KNEW you'd do that...

That's not what Parcells said...and that is my problem with him...EVERYTHING is stated as an absolute...he said, running backs who don't pass block don't play in this league...he didn't qualify the statement...

[Nors]

Let's stick to the point Nors....I kinda KNEW you'd do that...

That's not what Parcells said...and that is my problem with him...EVERYTHING is stated as an absolute...he said, running backs who don't pass block don't play in this league...he didn't qualify the statement...


Where Lee gets crushed is he is a "rookie". Thats his pet peeve - he hates young RB's that don't know where they should be.

Why can't Lee master that, he'd be our starter if he got that. I'm a rookie RB I read all I have read and do what Parcells wants to get on the field.
Something is amiss here.

[Juke99]

Where Lee gets crushed is he is a "rookie". Thats his pet peeve - he hates young RB's that don't know where they should be.

Why can't Lee master that, he'd be opur starter if he got that. I'm a rookie RB I read all I have read and do what Parcells wants to get on the field.
Something is amiss here.


I think Parcells is simply justifiying his not playing Lee...nothing more.

Think of it, he's clearly shown more than George as a runner...and George has shown zilch as a pass blocker...so Parcells takes a facet of a RB's job that is 5% of his job and magnifies it to such a point, that the kid has hardly touched the ball in three games?

I'm not buying it...

[blindzebra]

Try and slander me, I am dead on consistent. No FLIP FLOP. I said Romo would beat out Henson in preseason to be backup - he did.

I jave predicted Romo will replace Vinnie if he's benched. Can I be any clearer?


Relisten to BP on Henson today :p

So you did not say to bench Vinny after the Steelers game?

So you did not say tonight that Parcells is right about NOT BENCHING VINNY?

What has changed in the past few weeks, besides your stance? Oh yeah, Henson became the back up. :rolleyes:

[blindzebra]

Where Lee gets crushed is he is a "rookie". Thats his pet peeve - he hates young RB's that don't know where they should be.

Why can't Lee master that, he'd be our starter if he got that. I'm a rookie RB I read all I have read and do what Parcells wants to get on the field.
Something is amiss here.

Was he not in camp last year? That makes him a second year player, not a rookie.

[Nors]

So you did not say to bench Vinny after the Steelers game?

So you did not say tonight that Parcells is right about NOT BENCHING VINNY?

What has changed in the past few weeks, besides your stance? Oh yeah, Henson became the back up. :rolleyes:


My thread was clearly put Romo in then.


If its put Henson in, No way.

[Nors]

Was he not in camp last year? That makes him a second year player, not a rookie.

How many carries did he after he was cut, and unclaimed by other NFL teams?

[Nors]

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/194768


Parcells called him the best RB blocker he had since Carthon.


Maybe with a healthy Allen and a mobile, young QB we are back in the playoffs?

[blindzebra]

My thread was clearly put Romo in then.


If its put Henson in, No way.


So you just admitted to flip-flopping. After saying I never flip-flop. You are flip-flopping about flip-flopping. :D

[Nors]

So you just admitted to flip-flopping. After saying I never flip-flop. You are flip-flopping about flip-flopping. :D

I called Romo over Henson in training camp - was right.

I say again on the record if VT gets benched Parcells will start Romo. There's no flop there. Crystal clear and consistent.

[blindzebra]

I called Romo over Henson in training camp - was right.

I say again on the record if VT gets benched Parcells will start Romo. There's no flop there. Crystal clear and consistent.

I feel like I'm talking to a rock.

Nors says post Steelers game, " We should bench Vinny."

Nors says today, " Parcells is right, we should NOT bench Vinny."

Yep, that's not a flip-flop. You are not running for President in 2008 are you? :D

[LaTunaNostra]

I feel like I'm talking to a rock.

Nors says post Steelers game, " We should bench Vinny."

Nors says today, " Parcells is right, we should NOT bench Vinny."

Yep, that's not a flip-flop. You are not running for President in 2008 are you? :D
I think that mystery might be explained by looking at who the #2 QB was the day after the Squealers game, compared to now.

[Juke99]

I feel like I'm talking to a rock.

Nors says post Steelers game, " We should bench Vinny."

Nors says today, " Parcells is right, we should NOT bench Vinny."

Yep, that's not a flip-flop. You are not running for President in 2008 are you? :D

He voted for a QB change before he voted against it...

[blindzebra]

I think that mystery might be explained by looking at who the #2 QB was the day after the Squealers game, compared to now.

I know, I pointed that out to him a few posts ago.

You'd think coming from Kerry country he could tell the difference between fli-flopping and not flip-flopping. :D